Re: [Mailman-Users] email list

[Brian Carpenter]

> Hi,
> I was with a small business that used mail-man to organize our email
> list.  We had a web guy (a friend who was paid in trade) who set this
> up and was in charge of our website.  He got swamped with paid work
> and basically left us at the altar (stranded!)  He no longer really
> offered help on how to get access to our website.  Thankfully we still
> have access to our mail man email list.  Recently this small business
> has changed hands and now it's just me in charge of the email list.
> We'd like to continue using mailman but I'm afraid that since we
> didn't set it up and aren't on any pay schedule with the site, that it
> will get taken out from under us.
> 
> The mailing list is called likewater-news mailing list, and was set up
> by Bruce Weber.  We are now called the Tree of Life instead of Like
> Water.  We'd really like to keep using it so any advice you have would
> be great!  Thanks a lot.
> Jaclyn Morrow
> 
> The Tree of Life Cultural Arts Studio
> 734 433 0697
> 6065 Sibley Rd, Chelsea MI 48118
> www.treeeoflifestudio.org
> 
> 

Hi Jaclyn:

My recommendation is to move your list to another hosting provider. You can
check us out at http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html. Also there is a list of
mailman friendly providers at
http://wiki.list.org/display/COM/Mailman+hosting+services.

We can help you migrate your list and archives to our services if you decide
to move your list to our services.


Have a great week.  :^)

Regards,
Brian Carpenter
EMWD.com

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Re: [Mailman-Users] email list

[Brad Knowles]

on 6/17/09 2:06 PM, Jaclyn said:

The mailing list is called likewater-news mailing list, and was set up 
by Bruce Weber.  We are now called the Tree of Life instead of Like 
Water.  We'd really like to keep using it so any advice you have would 
be great!  Thanks a lot.


In your situation, what I would recommend is to find a reputable service 
provider that specializes in Mailman and Mailman-hosted mailing lists, 
and have them work with you to get your lists moved over to their 
services.  There are several such providers on this list, and I'm sure 
that they will be more than happy to speak up here or to contact you 
directly.


If you want any more specific advice, please let me know.

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[Mailman-Users] email list

[Jaclyn]

Hi,
I was with a small business that used mail-man to organize our email  
list.  We had a web guy (a friend who was paid in trade) who set this  
up and was in charge of our website.  He got swamped with paid work  
and basically left us at the altar (stranded!)  He no longer really  
offered help on how to get access to our website.  Thankfully we still  
have access to our mail man email list.  Recently this small business  
has changed hands and now it's just me in charge of the email list.   
We'd like to continue using mailman but I'm afraid that since we  
didn't set it up and aren't on any pay schedule with the site, that it  
will get taken out from under us.


The mailing list is called likewater-news mailing list, and was set up  
by Bruce Weber.  We are now called the Tree of Life instead of Like  
Water.  We'd really like to keep using it so any advice you have would  
be great!  Thanks a lot.

Jaclyn Morrow

The Tree of Life Cultural Arts Studio
734 433 0697
6065 Sibley Rd, Chelsea MI 48118
www.treeeoflifestudio.org




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[Mailman-Users] Virtual domain not quite working on HTTP (but fine on SMTP)

[Rick Moen]

Greetings, good people.  Problem summary:  After server rebuild, 
virtual hosts work for SMTP, but Mailman's Web pages are appearing
for the main host only and _not_ the virtual host.



Details:

I've had Mailman running on Debian (serving up mailing lists for both
"linuxmafia.com" and "lists.linuxgazette.net") since, oh, God was a
teenager, but a power spike destroyed my somewhat antique hardware in
April.  I hastily deployed Debian "lenny" 5.0 on a spare box the same
day, and then copied back down my latest backup data and madly worked to
recreate the prior config. 

That data restore including dropping back into place the former entire
/var/lib/mailman/lists/ tree (mailing list definitions), the 
/var/lib/mailman/archives/ tree, etc.  (As noted below, this data restore 
was correct to the extent of making Mailman able to handle both 
domains' mailing lists correctly concerning SMTP operation, and 
linuxmafia.com's mailing lists concerning Mailman Web pages.)


Relevant package versions:

:r! dpkg -l | egrep 'mailman|apache2-mpm-prefork|exim4-base'

ii  apache2-mpm-prefork   2.2.8-1Traditional 
model for Apache HTTPD
ii  exim4-base4.69-9 support files 
for all Exim MTA (v4) packages
ii  mailman   1:2.1.10~b3-1  Powerful, 
web-based mailing list manager

Things are oddly different from Pleistocene times when I did the job
before (not a complaint!).

After some fussing about concerning exim4/mailman integration, I
stumbled on details about POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS and its use even
with non-Postfix MTAs.  (I put the required plumbing into
/etc/exim4/conf.d/*.  It works.)  I did read the Debian folks'
/usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Exim4.Debian , which includes in part:

  Here's a way to integrate mailman with Exim4 that will automatically
  play nice with mailman's virtual domains support and VERP. It does not
  require dedicating domain(s) to mailman.

  Configure your Mailman (in /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py) with:

  MTA = 'Postfix'
  POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/bin/true'
  POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = 'chgrp Debian-exim'

  and list all your Mailman domains in "POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS".

  Please note that the chgrp command above will not work when creating a
  list in the web interface: the user www-data will not be allowed to do
  this. You can circumvent this problem by creating new lists with the
  'newlist' command line command or using instead:
  POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = 'chmod o+r'
  This will allow local users (with shell access to the list server) to
  see the list of all Mailman mailing lists, but not much more.

I also noted what appeared to be good advice at
http://files.technomage.net/postfix_mailman.txt -- and, consequently, 
completed Exim integration by running /var/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases, 
and, lo!  /var/lib/mailman/data/{aliases|virtual-mailman} came into
existence, and Exim stopped generating errors.  More important, the
Exim/Mailman jointly [re-]started processing mail for the mailing lists
within both domains.  Life was good.  Almost.


There remains the matter of Mailman's Web pages:  Those for domain
linuxmafia.com are present.  (See: http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/)
Those for domain lists.linuxgazette.net are not.  See:
http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/ -- as you'll notice,
Apache2 does recognise the domain.  The Apache document root for that
location, /var/www/gazette, has an .htaccess file in it, as follows:

  # cat /var/www/gazette/.htaccess 
  redirect 301 /index.html
  http://lists.linuxgazette.net/mailman/listinfo/

If I mv .htaccess to .htacces-save for diagnostic purposes, I _do_ 
see the contents of /var/www/gazette/ in my browser, so this is not 
an Apache vhost problem.


Here is what I imagine is the relevant part of my current
/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py :

  # Default domain for email addresses of newly created MLs
  DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'linuxmafia.com'
  #-
  # Default host for web interface of newly created MLs
  DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'linuxmafia.com'
  #-
  # Required when setting any of its arguments.
  add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
  add_virtualhost('lists.linuxgazette.net', 'lists.linuxgazette.net')
[...]
  # Uncomment if you use Postfix virtual domains, but be sure to
  # see /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Debian first.
  # MTA='Postfix'
  MTA = 'Postfix'
  POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/bin/true'
  POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = 'chgrp Debian-exim'
  POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['linuxmafia.com', 'lists.linuxgazette.net']
  VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'lists.linuxgazette.net':'lists.linuxgazette.net'}
  VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 1


Here is what I imagine is the relevant part of my current
/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Default.py:

  
  # Virtual domains
  #

  # Set up your virtual host mappings here.  This is primaril

[Mailman-Users] attachments renamed in archives

[Gruver, Sandi]

I have this line in the  mm_cfg.py file:
SCRUBBER_USE_ATTACHMENT_FILENAME_EXTENSION = True, but attachments (.pdf) are 
being renamed to .obj.

Can you please give a big hint as to what do I need to do to fix this?

Thank you,

S. Gruver
Unix System Administrator
SBCTC-IT
Bellevue, WA 98004
425.803.9753
fax 425.803.9752
sgru...@cis.ctc.edu


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[Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.9 incorrectly holding messages for "Reason: Message has implicit destination"

[Schmitt, Gordon A.]

We had been using mailman 2.1.5 installed on Redhat Enterprise v3.n for several 
years .  A few months ago, we installed a new Redhat system for our mailing 
list server, Redhat Enterprise Linux Server release 5.3 (Tikanga) which has 
Mailman 2.1.9 installed. I followed various instructions on migrating the 
mailing lists and everything seemed to be working just fine. However, within 
the past few weeks we noticed that some users sending to their favorite lists 
are having a lot of trouble with their messages being held as: "Reason:
Message has implicit destination" . Many users do not have this happen.  I have 
been investigating and testing and I can not figure out why. Our main campus 
mail system is Exchange 2007.  They have put the address in the correct place, 
i.e. The To: or CC: fields.

We create exchange contacts for each mailing list that forwards the message to 
the mailing list server, e.g. listn...@stcloudstate.edu forwards to 
listn...@lserver.stcloudstate.edu and there was never any problems for the past 
several years before our upgrade.  Below is the header info from a message that 
is being held that should have passed through. Can anyone think of what is 
causing this behavior for certain messages? One person mentioned that it  
happenes when he did a reply-all to a message and it worked after  creatomg a 
new message. I do not know if this could be related because I tried doing this 
and all my messages went through fine. I may have to experiment more with what 
email client software the messages are being sent from, I mostly use Entourage 
on a Mac. The majority of campus use Outlook on some version of Windows.

Thanks for any help
Gordon Schmitt
St. Cloud State University



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains for Mailing Lists in MailMan

[Bryan Harrison]

Mark,

Oooh!  Aaah!  Happy dance!

It works.

Thanks for being so generous with your expertise.  Cleaning up my  
fuzzy ideas has been a pleasure.


A minor puzzle, just in case you're interested:

You'll be unsurprised that I found virtual_mailbox_domains and  
virtual_alias_domains will fight over any domain common to both.   
Since OS X Server is dependent on virtual_mailbox_domains , I did my  
usual blind monkey try-this-and-that and discovered it works fine  
without virtual_alias_domains.  I won't pretend to understand, but am  
wondering if I've created something that will be less than robust.


And one more question, if you don't mind:

In addition to hosting lists for virtual domains, I need to host  
listname at the address listn...@laughingboot.net on the server gilded- 
bat.laughingboot.net.  Is this sufficient?


# mm_dfg.py
# 2009-06-16

# Include Defaults:

from Defaults import *

# Site-specific overrides:

MTA = 'Postfix'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'laughingboot.net'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'gilded-bat.laughingboot.net'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('gurgitate.org', 'gurgitate.org')
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = 'gurgitate.org'
DEFAULT_MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE = 1   # KB

I've read that I need to do this as well…

# /etc/postfix/virtual
# 2009-06-09

laughingboot.netIGNORE
@laughingboot.net   @mail.laughingboot.net

…but feel like a cargo cult member worshipping a ball point pen when I  
look at it.  Of course gilded-bat.laughingboot.net needs to continue  
to handle non-mailing list mail for laughingboot.net as well.


Thanks again,
Bryan
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains for Mailing Lists in MailMan

[Bryan Harrison]

Mark,

Thank you.

I've found the resources you recommended helpful, but am stymied  
nonetheless.  I'm bright but not expert with Postfix or Mailman, and  
have been butting my head against this for days.


As a test, I'm trying to install mailman on the server gilded- 
bat.laughingboot.net, and create functioning lists mail...@laughingboot.net 
 and gal...@gurgitate.org.  Virtual domains are humming along nicely  
in both Apache and Postfix.


Mailman's processes run and I can browse the interface site, but all  
my tests now bounce with:


<"|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman post galaxy"@gilded- 
bat.laughingboot.net>:
   data format error. Command output: |/usr/share/mailman/mail/ 
mailman post

   galaxy: Bad protocol

If you're feeling particularly saintly, I've P.S.'d install_mailman.sh  
below –  the very rough script I'm using to install and configure  
mailman.


Relevant lines from main.cf are

virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual,hash:/var/mailman/data/ 
aliases,hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

virtual_mailbox_domains = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_domains

mm_cfg.pys looks like this:

# Include Defaults:

from Defaults import *

# Site-specific overrides:

MTA = 'Postfix'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'laughingboot.net'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'gilded-bat.laughingboot.net'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('gurgitate.org', 'gurgitate.org')
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = 'gurgitate.org'
DEFAULT_MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE = 1   # KB

I'm running OS X Server 10.5.7.

I'll burn an SUV to the Gods on your behalf if you care to help me out.

Best regards,
Bryan


# !/bin/tcsh
# INSTALL MAILMAN TEST
# Last Updated:  2009-06-15
# Assumes prior installation of Xcode.

serveradmin stop mail
/usr/share/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop

rm -Rf /var/mailman/*
rm -Rf /usr/share/mailman/*
mkdir -p -m ug=rwx,o=rx /var/mailman
mkdir -p -m a+rx,g+ws /usr/share/mailman
chown _mailman:_mailman /var/mailman
chown _mailman:_mailman /usr/share/mailman
chmod -R 2777 /var/mailman
chmod -R 2777 /usr/share/mailman

mkdir -p /Library/TemporaryItems
cd /Library/TemporaryItems

curl -O 
http://superb-west.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/mailman/mailman-2.1.12.tgz
tar -xzf mailman-2.1.12.tgz
cd mailman-2.1.12

# Pick One, anyone, none of them work:

# ./configure --prefix=/usr/share/mailman --with-var-prefix=/var/ 
mailman --with-username=_mailman --with-groupname=_mailman --with-cgi- 
gid=_www
# ./configure --prefix=/usr/share/mailman --with-var-prefix=/var/ 
mailman --with-username=_mailman --with-groupname=_mailman --with-mail- 
gid=_mailman --with-cgi-gid=_www --without-permcheck
./configure --prefix=/usr/share/mailman --with-var-prefix=/var/mailman  
--with-username=_mailman --with-groupname=_mailman --with-mail- 
gid=_postfix --with-cgi-gid=_www --without-permcheck


make
make install

chown _www:_mailman /var/mailman/archives/private
chmod o-r-x /var/mailman/archives/private
touch /var/mailman/data/aliases
touch /var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
scp #copy mm_cfg.py from where I'm working on it to its proper home.

/usr/share/mailman/bin/newlist -q mailman br...@laughingboot.net  
mypassword
/usr/share/mailman/bin/config_list -i /var/mailman/data/sitelist.cfg  
mailman


/usr/share/mailman/bin/newlist -q galaxy br...@gurgitate.org mypassword
/usr/share/mailman/bin/config_list -i /var/mailman/data/sitelist.cfg  
galaxy
/usr/share/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url galaxy -- 
urlhost=gurgitate.org


cd /usr/share/mailman/bin
./genaliases
serveradmin start mail
./mailmanctl -s start
./check_perms -f

rm -R /Library/TemporaryItems/

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains for Mailing Lists in MailMan

[Bryan Harrison]

P.S.  "error" is empty, and "qrunner" says

Jun 15 16:01:12 2009 (7287) BounceRunner qrunner started.
Jun 15 16:01:13 2009 (7293) RetryRunner qrunner started.
Jun 15 16:01:13 2009 (7288) CommandRunner qrunner started.
Jun 15 16:01:13 2009 (7292) VirginRunner qrunner started.
Jun 15 16:01:13 2009 (7286) ArchRunner qrunner started.
Jun 15 16:01:13 2009 (7290) NewsRunner qrunner started.
Jun 15 16:01:13 2009 (7289) IncomingRunner qrunner started.
Jun 15 16:01:13 2009 (7291) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] openID enabled mailman

[Barry Warsaw]

On Jun 13, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:

Mailman is the wrong place to put an OpenID provider.  That needs to  
go somewhere else, and then you can put in code that allows Mailman  
to be an OpenID Relyer.


Well put, and I could not agree more.

What would be very helpful would be adding the necessary support to  
Mailman 2.2 and 3 so that it can be a relying party, and perhaps we  
can finally deprecate or kill off the stupid user passwords.


-Barry



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