[Mailman-Users] Disabling mailman/create Web Page
Our cyber security group sent me notice of a vulnerability in a Mailman web page: Web Application Potentially Sensitive CGI Parameter Detection I think it is the URL: mailman/create As I do not use that web page to create a new Mailman list, I want to disable that page. Is there an easy way to do it in Mailman, or do I -- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone:+1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: bsfin...@anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] domain regex and template for the lists?
Two quick questions: Is it possible to copy list preferences from one list to another? Is it possible to create a regex in mailman that would accept emails from all domain members even if they are not members of a list? For example, I have compla...@lists.host.com list with three members. I would like users from host.com and lists.host.com (only) to be able to send this list -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Disabling mailman/create Web Page
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 09:02:58AM -0500, Barry Finkel wrote:
mailman/create
As I do not use that web page to create a new Mailman list, I want to
disable that page. Is there an easy way to do it in Mailman, or do I
By default, I don't ScriptAlias it ('create') in the first place.
Location /mailman/create
Deny from all
/Location
in the appropriate httpd config (or something like that) should do the
job, if you don't want over-the-web list-creation.
(invariably, i just switch screen(1) to the appropriate machine and
run newlist to handle list-creation.)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] domain regex and template for the lists?
Andrei wrote: Two quick questions: Is it possible to copy list preferences from one list to another? Use bin/config_list -o to write the settings from one list to a file, edit out the list specific settings which don't apply to the other list. Some candidates are real_name, owner, moderator, description, info and subject_prefix. Then use bin/config_list -i to apply the remaining settings to the other list. Is it possible to create a regex in mailman that would accept emails from all domain members even if they are not members of a list? For example, I have compla...@lists.host.com list with three members. I would like users from host.com and lists.host.com (only) to be able to send this list If you really want just those two, put in accept_these_nonmembers ^.*@(lists\.)?host\.com$ or you could put both ^...@lists\.host\.com$ ^...@host\.com$ If you want host.com and all subdomains, use ^...@.]host\.com$ -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Disabling mailman/create Web Page
Barry Finkel wrote: Our cyber security group sent me notice of a vulnerability in a Mailman web page: Web Application Potentially Sensitive CGI Parameter Detection I think it is the URL: mailman/create Googling 'Web Application Potentially Sensitive CGI Parameter Detection mailman' doesn't show me anything relevant to current Mailman. If there really is a Mailman security issue, please post the details to mailman-secur...@python.org. As I do not use that web page to create a new Mailman list, I want to disable that page. Is there an easy way to do it in Mailman, or do I Adam McGreggor has already replied suggesting denying access via the web server configuration. You could also just remove the create wrapper from Mailman's cgi-bin/ directory. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Disabling mailman/create Web Page
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 09:02:58AM -0500, Barry Finkel wrote: Our cyber security group sent me notice of a vulnerability in a Mailman web page: Web Application Potentially Sensitive CGI Parameter Detection This almost certainly is from a Nessus scan - see: http://www.nessus.org/plugins/index.php?view=singleid=40773 This particular plugin isn't reporting a vulnerability per se (ie, its risk factor is None). Instead, it notes that the name of one or more parameters suggests it might be sensitive in some fashion. I think it is the URL: mailman/create Probably. That form has a parameter named 'password' (Initial list password), which could be sniffed if the target web server doesn't use HTTPS. As I do not use that web page to create a new Mailman list, I want to disable that page. Not a bad idea. Disclaimer: I work for Tenable Network Security as Director of Vulnerability Research, which, among other things, is responsible for writing the plugins for Nessus. George -- the...@tifaware.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] How to get rid of bogus held-message notifications?
Hello! After a spammer targeted about 80 of our lists, I deleted the held messages by physically removing the files at the command line. However, every day at 8 AM I still get the emailed notifications that a message is being held. Evidently something in Mailman still thinks those messages are there. Is there a way to clear this? Thanks for any advice you can give. We are running 2.1.9 on a SLES Linux server. Anne -- Anne Anderson Web Application Developer / Database Manager Information Technology Westmont College -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signature attachments
I've done some reading through this and other mailing lists, but I can't find anything relating to this topic past 2004; if there is something more current, please forgive me. In short, any time someone sends a non purely-text/plain email through our Mailman lists, Outlook decides the footer (detailing the list name and the like) is an attachment, and so presents it as such to the user. I understand this is purely an Outlook problem (several other mail clients in use do not display this behavior), but the higher-ups at my company wish this 'problem' resolved, and each of them use Outlook. I had found a patch to one of the message-handling scripts, specifically related to attachment processing, but discovered that it had already been implemented in the main Mailman build some time ago. In short, I'm just trying to append the message footer to the body of whatever message comes through, before tacking on attachments. Thank you for your time -- Christopher -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] accept email to a maillist only from list owner
I'm running Mailman version 2.1.9 Is there a setting I could make make to only accept mail to a maillist that comes from the maillist owner? I was thinking I could set all list members moderation bit to on and set 'discard posts from moderated members'. Is this the only way, and/or the best way to accomplish this? Thank you for any help you can provide. Eric _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail to yahoo / google accounts
Nor do we, and it's likely they won't tell you because they consider such information to be proprietary and of potential use to spammers. A way around these problems may be to use your ISP's mail-relay, rather than delivering directly. Or use a third-party mailer, such as fastmail.fm. Usually your ISP is not on any black-lists, and they also (should) have mechanisms in place to get off such black-lists when they get on them. Of course, to get lots of messages out via your ISP you may need to authenticate your connections and so on - I ended up building a custom version or postfix to use SASL and TLS, with which my ISP let's me specify 300 recipients rather than 50. Telling postfix default_destination_recipient_limit=300 completed the magic. Cheers, GaryB-) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Relay not permitted...
I am fairly new to both email and list administration. I inherited a domino environment and a majordomo listserv. I am in the process of migrating the lists to a new mailman server running on redhat and am experiencing the same relaying issue. Messages are routing to everyone in the domino domain but go no further. I apologize if this is below the scope of this listserv but any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Dylan Evans Systems Manager Information Technology Services University of Nebraska at Kearney From: Stephen J. Turnbull turnb...@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp To: Adam McGreggor adam-mail...@amyl.org.uk Cc: mailman-users@python.org Date: 09/02/2009 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Relay not permitted... Sent by: mailman-users-bounces+evansdl=unk@python.org Adam McGreggor writes: My advice would be ditch the god-awful split config, and use a monolithic file, there's usually a sample in /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/examples/example.conf.gz Actually, it might be more useful to start with the monolithic config file that lives at /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/evansdl%40unk.edu Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail to yahoo / google accounts
Dear Stephen, Mark ! Thank you for your reply. I don't know why the gmail/yahoo mail server indicate my server is spam although my customers want to receive my post from the list. I check my qmail settings and see that my DNS, rDNS are Ok. I am configuring concurrencyremote is 5 with qmail and : SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10, SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 1, QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(10) with Mailman so that we just use bad performance to be called spam. Please help me . Best regards, Huu Hien -Original Message- From: Stephen J. Turnbull [mailto:step...@xemacs.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:48 AM To: Hien HUYNH HUU Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to yahoo / google accounts Hien HUYNH HUU writes: Have you read the FAQ? Now I have a problem when sending emails to yahoo/gmail accounts with my maillist. Actually I send post to a lot of accounts so that yahoo and google deny to receive my post, the log I received likes this: Both of those indicate you are suspected of spamming. The Yahoo message says their users are actually complaining about your mail. (The big freemail hosts have been know to lie about exactly why they're blocking your mail, but if you really are causing user complaint you're in big trouble at that host. It's very difficult to get back in their good graces after a history of user complaint.) You should go read their guidelines, and find out how to conform to them. I must wait for about 2 hours to resend and It block again. Please help me to config mailman/qmail so that I can send mail to them without being deny anything. This is probably more a qmail problem than a Mailman problem. You really should talk to qmail people about qmail. There may be a few on this list, but most people here use sendmail, Postfix, or Exim, and the most active experts on this list know nothing about qmail that isn't in the FAQ. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Opt out footers as .txt attachments preventing CAN SPAM Act compliance
Hello I'm part of a small nonprofit running Mailman version 2.1.9 and we have consistently found that most of our subscribers receive the footers where the opt out language is as .txt attachments and therefore do not know how to opt out. I searched the help/support forums to find that this seems to be a widespread problem. Is it fixed in current versions? Are there repairs available to this problem that a poor nonprofit without staff web developers or IT funds can afford or know how to implement? Please help! Keith R Jarvis The ManKind Project Information Systems Director 7088 Burkitt Road Antioch, Tennessee 37013 USA Home/Office: 615.206.7232 Fax: 615.224.0928 Cell: 615.828.2033 Email: infosyst...@mkp.org Skype: JarvisDog I create a world of healing and truth by touching the Divine and modeling authentic transparency. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Donate to the GNU Mailman Project (directed donation program)
Dear GNU Mailman - Team, we want to sponsor 500 $ for the further development of your excellent GNU Mailman Project. Is it possible that we will appear as a sponsor (directed donation program) on the URL http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html below Thanks go out to: with a link to our agency http://www.seocomplete.de and anchor text Suchmaschinenoptimierung? Best Regards Helmut Naber -- seoCOMPLETE Suchmaschinenoptimierung und Internet Marketing Dipl.-Inf. (FH) Helmut Naber Telefon: +49 231 225 12 92 Telefax: +49 231 225 12 99 E-Mail: verwalt...@seocomplete.de Web: http://www.seocomplete.de Postanschrift: Rheinlanddamm 201 44139 Dortmund USt-Id: DE 261497243 Str-Nr.: 340/5119/1262 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to get rid of bogus held-message notifications?
Anne Anderson wrote: After a spammer targeted about 80 of our lists, I deleted the held messages by physically removing the files at the command line. However, every day at 8 AM I still get the emailed notifications that a message is being held. Evidently something in Mailman still thinks those messages are there. Is there a way to clear this? Thanks for any advice you can give. If you had deleted the messages from the command line with Mailman's bin/discard tool instead of just removing the files, there would be no problem. You have a couple of choices. If you go to the list's admindb interfaces, you will see items there for the messages, but without the actual massage. The process of attempting to display these will, in fact, clear the problem, so just visiting the admindb page for the list will clear that list. You can also just remove the lists/LISTNAME/request.pck files, but that will also lose any other pending requests. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signature attachments
Christopher C. Wright wrote: In short, any time someone sends a non purely-text/plain email through our Mailman lists, Outlook decides the footer (detailing the list name and the like) is an attachment, and so presents it as such to the user. I understand this is purely an Outlook problem (several other mail clients in use do not display this behavior), but the higher-ups at my company wish this 'problem' resolved, and each of them use Outlook. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9. It is clear that options 3 and 4 don't work for you. If neither option 1 or 2 works either, you can see the note at the bottom which will lead you to a patch which we don't recommend for the reasons discussed in the FAQ, but which you may find useful. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Donate to the GNU Mailman Project (directed donation program)
Verwaltung wrote: we want to sponsor 500 $ for the further development of your excellent GNU Mailman Project. Is it possible that we will appear as a sponsor (directed donation program) on the URL http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html below Thanks go out to: with a link to our agency http://www.seocomplete.de and anchor text Suchmaschinenoptimierung? Actually, I think the best thing for you to do is to go to the page at https://my.fsf.org/donate/directed-donations/gnumailman and fill out the form there. If you have any more questions about this process, please send an e-mail message to mailman-ca...@python.org. -- Brad Knowles b...@python.org Member of the Python.org Postmaster Team Co-Moderator of the mailman-users and mailman-developers mailing lists -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] accept email to a maillist only from list owner
Eric Parker wrote: Is there a setting I could make make to only accept mail to a maillist that comes from the maillist owner? I was thinking I could set all list members moderation bit to on and set 'discard posts from moderated members'. Is this the only way, and/or the best way to accomplish this? That's the basic idea. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/3YA9 for more. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Relay not permitted...
Dylan L Evans wrote: I am fairly new to both email and list administration. I inherited a domino environment and a majordomo listserv. I am in the process of migrating the lists to a new mailman server running on redhat and am experiencing the same relaying issue. Messages are routing to everyone in the domino domain but go no further. I apologize if this is below the scope of this listserv but any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated! These questions are best directed to support resources specific to your MTA, but if you tell us what your MTA is, there may be someone on this list who can help. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Opt out footers as .txt attachments preventing CANSPAM Act compliance
Keith Jarvis wrote: I'm part of a small nonprofit running Mailman version 2.1.9 and we have consistently found that most of our subscribers receive the footers where the opt out language is as .txt attachments and therefore do not know how to opt out. [...] Is it fixed in current versions? Are there repairs available to this problem that a poor nonprofit without staff web developers or IT funds can afford or know how to implement? There are no differences between 2.1.9 and the latest 2.1.12 release in this respect. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9 and consider option 2 - post only plain text and/or configure content filtering to remove all non-plain-text. Do you have an actual reference stating that the unsubscribe information is not compliant if it is in a separate MIME part? -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Opt out footers as .txt attachments preventing CAN SPAM Act compliance
Keith Jarvis writes: I'm part of a small nonprofit running Mailman version 2.1.9 and we have consistently found that most of our subscribers receive the footers where the opt out language is as .txt attachments and therefore do not know how to opt out. Sounds like most of your subscribers use Outlook [Express]. There's nothing Mailman can do about buggy software produced by an 800-lb gorilla. As Mark Sapiro wrote in another post: See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9. [...] If neither option 1 or 2 works either, you can see the note at the bottom which will lead you to a patch which we don't recommend for the reasons discussed in the FAQ, but which you may find useful. If you are running Mailman yourself but don't have the expertise to apply a patch, there may be people on this list who would be willing to help a poor nonprofit at nominal cost. If you were located in Tsukuba Japan I'd do it for beer and pizza. :-) If you are depending on your ISP for Mailman support, and they're getting a lot of problem reports, they might be willing to do it to keep the paying customers happy. Note that if the patch is applied, you/they need to say so in any future problem reports about attachments. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
