Re: [Mailman-Users] post and smtp logs?
Mark J Bradakis wrote: Can anyone tell me at what point in the process of delivering list messages does information get written to logs/post and logs/smtp ? They are written by SMTPDirect.py when the outgoing message has been delivered to the MTA. Currently a message comes in, postfix hands it off to mailman and the message is written to the qfiles/out directory within a second or so. But it isn't until two, maybe two and a half hours later an entry for the message is made in the logs when the message is finally sent out. What is mailman doing in that long interval? The outgoing queue runner is running, staying mostly idle. It's hard to say without more information. The log is not written until delivery to the MTA has been completed for all recipients. If there are not other messages in the out queue being processed ahead, my best guess is the MTA is doing some kind of recipient verification on each recipient and this takes a long time. What does the smtp log entry say for time? Is it on the order of 9000 seconds? What is in qfiles/out during this time? Is it a .pck file or a .bak file? Is the out queue backlogged? Mail that is not routed through mailman behaves normally, getting processed quickly. Two+ hours seems like a long time for mailman to be twiddling its thumbs. OutgoingRunner is either delivering other messages or waiting for responses from the MTA. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Question
I am a small ministry and I'd like to be able to send 1-2,000 people an email once a month or so. I use a PC running Vista and I have the lists in a spreadsheet right now. Will this work with your product? Blessings to you... Don Phone - 610-898-4277 Cell - 607-346-3761 Email - d...@donsunshine.org www.donsunshine.org Let yourself be overwhelmed by the God you serve and you'll find that nothing but Him is truly overwhelming. - Ron Hutchcraft -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] .htaccess protection of archives
Hi all, I'd like to protect my mailing list archives behind some .htaccess protection, but my mailman installation is a central one which serves a number of different websites. I was thinking I could get around this by using a script to automate a log in to the archives and then scraping the results back to my .htaccess protected folder. I'm using GET variables to use the subscription page at the moment (adding adminpw=PASSWORD onto the end of the url) and was wondering if there was anything similar that I could do with the archives? Alternatively, if anyone can think of another way to get the archives behind a .htaccess wall I'd be keen to hear! Thanks all, Phil -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Hi There If You Can Help!
Hallo, I own this website _www.publiceyesite.org_ (http://www.publiceyesite.org) and the server is _www.Emuma.Emuam.Net_ (http://www.Emuma.Emuam.Net) , Lately there has been a lot of problems in the mailing list like the web doesn't exits or there is a bug. Sometimes the mailing list doesn't work at all. It is nice I remembered to contact you to help clean any mess in it. We use the web to communicate within East African Community largely Kenyans. Can You help please? Thanks and Bye. Patrick L Okeyo 551-208-8088 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question
Don Sunshine wrote: I am a small ministry and I'd like to be able to send 1-2,000 people an email once a month or so. I use a PC running Vista and I have the lists in a spreadsheet right now. Will this work with your product? It is possible to install and run Mailman on MS Windows, but given the intricacy of doing so, it is probably not worth it. I suggest you consider a hosting service for this list, some of which are listed in our FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/Hg and some of which offer free or very low cost service to non-profits. You might also consider something like Google Groups for this. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] .htaccess protection of archives
Phil Ewels wrote: I'd like to protect my mailing list archives behind some .htaccess protection, but my mailman installation is a central one which serves a number of different websites. Why not just use private archives? You could use a .htaccess file to prevent access by URL if you really don't want public access at all. Then all archive access would have to be through Mailman/Cgi/private.py. I was thinking I could get around this by using a script to automate a log in to the archives and then scraping the results back to my .htaccess protected folder. I'm using GET variables to use the subscription page at the moment (adding adminpw=PASSWORD onto the end of the url) and was wondering if there was anything similar that I could do with the archives? If for some reason Mailman's private archive authentication is not satisfactory and you want to bypass the login page, you can append ?password=PASSWORD (where PASSWORD is a list admin or moderator or site admin password) to any private archive URL. Alternatively, if anyone can think of another way to get the archives behind a .htaccess wall I'd be keen to hear! If I understood the desired end result, I might be able to suggest more. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Hi There If You Can Help!
publice...@aol.com wrote: Hallo, I own this website _www.publiceyesite.org_ (http://www.publiceyesite.org) and the server is _www.Emuma.Emuam.Net_ (http://www.Emuma.Emuam.Net) , Lately there has been a lot of problems in the mailing list like the web doesn't exits or there is a bug. Sometimes the mailing list doesn't work at all. It is nice I remembered to contact you to help clean any mess in it. The web interface at http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo seems to be working. The problems you describe are things that will have to be discussed with the hosting provider (http://www.emuma.net/). There's nothing we can do to help without information that only the hosting provider has access to. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/sYA9. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Hi There If You Can Help!
Hallo, I own this website _www.publiceyesite.org_ (http://www.publiceyesite.org) and the server is _www.Emuma.Emuam.Net_ (http://www.Emuma.Emuam.Net) , Lately there has been a lot of problems in the mailing list like the web doesn't exits or there is a bug. Sometimes the mailing list doesn't work at all. It is nice I remembered to contact you to help clean any mess in it. We use the web to communicate within East African Community largely Kenyans. Can You help please? Thanks and Bye. Patrick L Okeyo 551-208-8088 -- Hi Patrick: You probably need to contact your hosting provider, emuma.net regarding your problems. They would be your first line of technical support. If they won't help then I suggest finding another provider that will provide reliable mailman hosting and support when you need it. If you don't get satisfaction then check us out at http://www.mailmanhost.com or http://www.emwd.com. Regards, Brian Carpenter EMWD.com dotList: http://www.mailmanhost.com http://blog.emwd.com/ Curious comments from a web hosting techie -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] .htaccess protection of archives
I'd like to avoid using the standard private archives because that would require users to log in a second time, with a second username and password. I'm attempting to hide everything behind a single .htaccess wall. The other reason is that the users are currently being signed up by an automated script, which does it silently, so they are not getting any welcome messages and will not know what their subscription password is. I'll have a go using ?password=PASSWORD and see where I get to... Cheers, Phil Mark Sapiro wrote: Phil Ewels wrote: I'd like to protect my mailing list archives behind some .htaccess protection, but my mailman installation is a central one which serves a number of different websites. Why not just use private archives? You could use a .htaccess file to prevent access by URL if you really don't want public access at all. Then all archive access would have to be through Mailman/Cgi/private.py. I was thinking I could get around this by using a script to automate a log in to the archives and then scraping the results back to my .htaccess protected folder. I'm using GET variables to use the subscription page at the moment (adding adminpw=PASSWORD onto the end of the url) and was wondering if there was anything similar that I could do with the archives? If for some reason Mailman's private archive authentication is not satisfactory and you want to bypass the login page, you can append ?password=PASSWORD (where PASSWORD is a list admin or moderator or site admin password) to any private archive URL. Alternatively, if anyone can think of another way to get the archives behind a .htaccess wall I'd be keen to hear! If I understood the desired end result, I might be able to suggest more. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] .htaccess protection of archives
Phil Ewels wrote: I'd like to avoid using the standard private archives because that would require users to log in a second time, with a second username and password. I'm attempting to hide everything behind a single .htaccess wall. OK, but I don't think dynamically modifying .htaccess can work. What if you have two 'disjoint' users trying to browse different archives concurrently? Or were you thinking of per-list .htaccess modified by your subscribe process? The other reason is that the users are currently being signed up by an automated script, which does it silently, so they are not getting any welcome messages and will not know what their subscription password is. I'll have a go using ?password=PASSWORD and see where I get to... OK -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] .htaccess protection of archives
So everyone will be using the same login details for the .htaccess protection (it's a fairly small group of users who need to access these pages, who all trust each other and having one login for all saves a lot of hassle). So no dynamic modification needed (if I understand you correctly). Users will be subscribed to a maximum of four lists, but I'd like them to be able to browse the archives of all of them. In other words, have the mailing lists behave as if they have public archive access, but behind a .htaccess wall to prevent Joe Bloggs from reading the lists. This may get overly complicated, so I might just create a dummy account and publicise the login details on a page protected by .htaccess. Messy but easy. Phil Mark Sapiro wrote: Phil Ewels wrote: I'd like to avoid using the standard private archives because that would require users to log in a second time, with a second username and password. I'm attempting to hide everything behind a single .htaccess wall. OK, but I don't think dynamically modifying .htaccess can work. What if you have two 'disjoint' users trying to browse different archives concurrently? Or were you thinking of per-list .htaccess modified by your subscribe process? The other reason is that the users are currently being signed up by an automated script, which does it silently, so they are not getting any welcome messages and will not know what their subscription password is. I'll have a go using ?password=PASSWORD and see where I get to... OK -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] .htaccess protection of archives
Phil Ewels wrote: So everyone will be using the same login details for the .htaccess protection (it's a fairly small group of users who need to access these pages, who all trust each other and having one login for all saves a lot of hassle). So no dynamic modification needed (if I understand you correctly). Then I don't understand what I was thinking I could get around this by using a script to automate a log in to the archives and then scraping the results back to my .htaccess protected folder. means. Unless, maybe it means that the .htaccess only allows access by IP and you'd be updating that. Users will be subscribed to a maximum of four lists, but I'd like them to be able to browse the archives of all of them. In other words, have the mailing lists behave as if they have public archive access, but behind a .htaccess wall to prevent Joe Bloggs from reading the lists. So just have public archives and put the .htaccess in either /path/to/mailman/archives/private/ or /path/to/mailman/archives/public/ - either one should do it as long as you have AllowOverride explicitly or implicitly on the directory. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] .htaccess protection of archives
Ah, so this is what I initially thought, but the problem with that is my installation of Mailman - it is a central installation which serves lists to a whole range of different domains, so putting a .htaccess restriction in the archives folder would then stop access to the archives for all of my other websites. Mark Sapiro wrote: Phil Ewels wrote: So everyone will be using the same login details for the .htaccess protection (it's a fairly small group of users who need to access these pages, who all trust each other and having one login for all saves a lot of hassle). So no dynamic modification needed (if I understand you correctly). Then I don't understand what I was thinking I could get around this by using a script to automate a log in to the archives and then scraping the results back to my .htaccess protected folder. means. Unless, maybe it means that the .htaccess only allows access by IP and you'd be updating that. Users will be subscribed to a maximum of four lists, but I'd like them to be able to browse the archives of all of them. In other words, have the mailing lists behave as if they have public archive access, but behind a .htaccess wall to prevent Joe Bloggs from reading the lists. So just have public archives and put the .htaccess in either /path/to/mailman/archives/private/ or /path/to/mailman/archives/public/ - either one should do it as long as you have AllowOverride explicitly or implicitly on the directory. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] .htaccess protection of archives
On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 03:40:44PM +, Phil Ewels wrote: I'd like to protect my mailing list archives behind some .htaccess protection, but my mailman installation is a central one which serves a number of different websites. I was thinking I could get around this by using a script to automate a log in to the archives and then scraping the results back to my .htaccess protected folder. How about setting the archive directory for each applicable list as it's own Directory in a vhost config, I dunno, something like: (untested) VirtualHost *:443 ServerName archives.lists.example.org DocumentRoot/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ Options -Indexes Directory /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/listname AuthTypebasic AuthNamePrivate Archive AuthUserFile/path/to/htpasswd.file Require valid-user Options +Indexes /Directory /VirtualHost or perhaps use a glob and AllowOverrides (assuming Apache as your httpd), or something like one of the Match directives. Just as an idea, in production, you'll possibly want to lock-down a virtualhost like that a bit more. Alternatively, if anyone can think of another way to get the archives behind a .htaccess wall I'd be keen to hear! Failing the hackish monstrosity above, you might find https://secure.mysociety.org/cvstrac/dir?d=mysociety/lists/web-admin/lists (and elsewhere in https://secure.mysociety.org/cvstrac/dir?d=mysociety/lists) useful if you're a coder. -- ``If the media object to a judgment or sentencing decision, we suggest they focus their efforts on persuading the Government to rectify the legal and policy framework.'' (Lords' Select Committee on Constitution: Eleventh Report) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] .htaccess protection of archives
Phil Ewels wrote: Ah, so this is what I initially thought, but the problem with that is my installation of Mailman - it is a central installation which serves lists to a whole range of different domains, so putting a .htaccess restriction in the archives folder would then stop access to the archives for all of my other websites. So then put .htaccess files in archives/private/listname for each of this domain's lists. These will work with public archives since public/listname is just a symlink to private/listname. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question
On 9-Feb-2010, at 07:26, Mark Sapiro wrote: You might also consider something like Google Groups for this. Eww! Ick. spit -- TAR IS NOT A PLAYTHING Bart chalkboard Ep. 7F02 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Questions
I am the administrator of the Maternal Newborn and Child Health Promotion (MNCHP) listserv. 1. My info page says it is temporarily disabled. How can I change this? 2. A listserv member forgot her password. How can she get it? I thought it was through the info page? Meghan Meghan Boston-McCracken, MSW, RSW Bilingual Information Specialist / Spécialiste bilingue d'information Best Start Resource Centre / Meilleur départ Health Nexus Santé (formerly Ontario Prevention Clearinghouse/anciennement Centre ontarien d'information en prévention) Sault Ste. Marie, ON Telephone: (705) 254-3463 / 1-800-397-9567 ext. 2345 Fax: (705) 254-7503 m.boston-mccrac...@healthnexus.ca mailto:m.boston-mccrac...@healthnexus.ca www.healthnexus.ca http://www.healthnexus.ca/ www.beststart.org http://www.beststart.org/ Join over 1,600 service providers that are part of the Maternal Newborn and Child Health Promotion Network (MNCHP) to share and receive up-to-date information, guidance, and strategies. Subscribe at http://www.beststart.org/services/information.html -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions
On 2/9/10 7:39 AM, Boston-McCracken, Meghan at m.boston-mccrac...@healthnexus.ca wrote: I am the administrator of the Maternal Newborn and Child Health Promotion (MNCHP) listserv. Listserv is the trademarked name for L-Soft's mailing list management product. It is not the same as GNU Mailman . Please do not refer to a GNU Mailman list as a listserv or use listserv as a generic term for mailing lists or mailing list management software. -- Larry Stone lston...@stonejongleux.com http://www.stonejongleux.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions
On 2/9/2010 6:39 AM, Boston-McCracken, Meghan wrote: I am the administrator of the Maternal Newborn and Child Health Promotion (MNCHP) listserv. 1.My info page says it is temporarily disabled. How can I change this? 2. A listserv member forgot her password. How can she get it? I thought it was through the info page? 1) Is this a Mailman list or a Listserv(r) list? If I go to http://www.healthnexus.ca/ehealth/index.htm and click the Click4HP link, I see the archives of a Listserv(r) list. However, I am able to find a Mailman listinfo page for what appears to be your Mnhcp - Maternal Newborn Child Health Promotion Network list at http://lists.beststart.org/listinfo.cgi/mnchp-beststart.org. That page says nothing about temporarily disabled. If it did, This was apparently something done by the admins of the server at lists.beststart.org and is something you'd have to discuss with them. It is not anything we at mailman-users@python.org can help with. If by chance what you really mean is you went to your options page at http://lists.beststart.org/options.cgi/mnchp-beststart.org and after logging in, there was a note at the top of the page that said your list delivery is disabled, scroll down to Mail delivery, select 'Enabled' and click the Submit My Changes button. 2) Your list member can go directly to http://lists.beststart.org/options.cgi/mnchp-beststart.org or can get there from http://lists.beststart.org/listinfo.cgi/mnchp-beststart.org by clicking the Unsubscribe or edit options button. Once there, she enters her email address in the top box and clicks the Remind button at the bottom of the page to get a password reminder email. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
