Re: [Mailman-Users] Indexing mail right after delivery
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 10:04:31 -0800
Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
On 3/3/2010 9:20 AM, Cédric Jeanneret wrote:
Maybe a python version? What is really strange is that it works inside
the archiver I tried to NOT use email.message_from_file (so use
directly StringIO on sys.stdin), and it worked fine. In fact, the
error was that Message doesn't have tell() method...
Which says you are passing a Message object, not a StringIO or file
object. I considered at one point just passing sys.stdin directly, but
that won't work because sys.stdin does not have seek() or tell() methods.
Another error was really annoying : ALL worked. almost. I couldn't do
my mlist.Save(), as there was an error for the lockfile.
I did :
mlist = MailList.MailList('toto', lock=False)
# other code
mlist.Save()
Right. I overlooked the fact that you can't Save() an unlocked list.
But, I don't think you need to. I don't think the archiver actually
updates your list instance in it's processing, so you should be OK if
you just remove the Save() from your code.
- crashed. After poking into MailList code, I saw that it refreshes
the lockfile. Commenting out this line made it work again more or
less : message was in mbox, but wasn't in pipermail archives
Don't do that. It won't work anyway because the locked list object in
ArchRunner will be saved after you're done and will undo any changes you
made to your list object. But, as I say, you shouldn't need to save your
list object. It is only passed to the HyperArch.HyperArchive()
constructor so the archiver knows where to find the archive. I don't
think it is updated.
Poking on the Net, I found this post
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg47499.html you
answered some months (well, years) ago. I tried this way :
applying the patch, so that it uses mailman internal archiver, and it
calls my indexer right after.
That's not really clean, it's not really a portable way, but it works.
The fact that I have to patch a file from mailman package annoy me a
bit, but... I didn't have any success with the ways you showed me :(
To be honnest, maybe I'll try to put a handler (like XapianIndexer.py)
for this. As I saw how to debug my scripts (thank you for the tip), I
guess it would be the best way, instead of patching a code (which will
be overriden on the next update).
Or maybe there's a variable in mm_config (or defaults) which tell
mailman to call a script after archiving ? I didn't see such a thing,
I guess that's the role a the GLOBAL_PIPELINE and its handlers
chain...
As I tried to point out in my initial reply
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-February/068900.html,
that won't work.
The pipeline includes ToArchive which only queues the message in the
archive queue for ArchRunner. Then IncomingRunner continues processing
the pipeline. When it gets to your handler, there's no guarantee that
ArchRunner has yet archived the message so how do you index something
that may not yet even be there.
We were almost there with the external archiver method. Let's try to
make that work.
What do you have now in the external archiver code and in the
PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER and PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER strings and what
is the problem?
Hello again !
I think I found what's the problem is :
the script works now, but as I write my own archiver, it doesn't do the
pipermail part (i.e. update mails in archive)... I thought that this code :
mlist = MailList.MailList(maillist, lock=False)
msg = email.message_from_file(sys.stdin, Message.Message)
f = StringIO(str(sys.stdin))
h = HyperArch.HyperArchive(mlist)
h.processUnixMailbox(f)
f.close()
did all, but after reading a bit of code, it doesn't exactly. It saves to .mbox
file, right ?
I tried to find where it does the pipermail stuff, but it's a bit complicated
[I'm not so at ease with Python].
Any clue ?
Thank you
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Indexing mail right after delivery
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 10:04:31 -0800
Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
On 3/3/2010 9:20 AM, Cédric Jeanneret wrote:
Maybe a python version? What is really strange is that it works inside
the archiver I tried to NOT use email.message_from_file (so use
directly StringIO on sys.stdin), and it worked fine. In fact, the
error was that Message doesn't have tell() method...
Which says you are passing a Message object, not a StringIO or file
object. I considered at one point just passing sys.stdin directly, but
that won't work because sys.stdin does not have seek() or tell() methods.
Another error was really annoying : ALL worked. almost. I couldn't do
my mlist.Save(), as there was an error for the lockfile.
I did :
mlist = MailList.MailList('toto', lock=False)
# other code
mlist.Save()
Right. I overlooked the fact that you can't Save() an unlocked list.
But, I don't think you need to. I don't think the archiver actually
updates your list instance in it's processing, so you should be OK if
you just remove the Save() from your code.
- crashed. After poking into MailList code, I saw that it refreshes
the lockfile. Commenting out this line made it work again more or
less : message was in mbox, but wasn't in pipermail archives
Don't do that. It won't work anyway because the locked list object in
ArchRunner will be saved after you're done and will undo any changes you
made to your list object. But, as I say, you shouldn't need to save your
list object. It is only passed to the HyperArch.HyperArchive()
constructor so the archiver knows where to find the archive. I don't
think it is updated.
Poking on the Net, I found this post
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg47499.html you
answered some months (well, years) ago. I tried this way :
applying the patch, so that it uses mailman internal archiver, and it
calls my indexer right after.
That's not really clean, it's not really a portable way, but it works.
The fact that I have to patch a file from mailman package annoy me a
bit, but... I didn't have any success with the ways you showed me :(
To be honnest, maybe I'll try to put a handler (like XapianIndexer.py)
for this. As I saw how to debug my scripts (thank you for the tip), I
guess it would be the best way, instead of patching a code (which will
be overriden on the next update).
Or maybe there's a variable in mm_config (or defaults) which tell
mailman to call a script after archiving ? I didn't see such a thing,
I guess that's the role a the GLOBAL_PIPELINE and its handlers
chain...
As I tried to point out in my initial reply
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-February/068900.html,
that won't work.
The pipeline includes ToArchive which only queues the message in the
archive queue for ArchRunner. Then IncomingRunner continues processing
the pipeline. When it gets to your handler, there's no guarantee that
ArchRunner has yet archived the message so how do you index something
that may not yet even be there.
We were almost there with the external archiver method. Let's try to
make that work.
What do you have now in the external archiver code and in the
PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER and PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER strings and what
is the problem?
uho, found it !!
mailman/bin/arch toto
I guess that's all :))
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Indexing mail right after delivery
On 3/4/2010 4:23 AM, Cedric Jeanneret wrote: I think I found what's the problem is : the script works now, but as I write my own archiver, it doesn't do the pipermail part (i.e. update mails in archive)... I thought that this code : mlist = MailList.MailList(maillist, lock=False) msg = email.message_from_file(sys.stdin, Message.Message) f = StringIO(str(sys.stdin)) h = HyperArch.HyperArchive(mlist) h.processUnixMailbox(f) f.close() did all, but after reading a bit of code, it doesn't exactly. It saves to .mbox file, right ? No. It doesn't save to the .mbox file. If you look at the ArchiveMail() method in Mailman/Archivers/Archiver.py. it first saves to the .mbox by doing if mm_cfg.ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX in (1, 2): self.__archive_to_mbox(msg) Then it either calls the external archiver or executes essentially the above to archive the mail in the pipermail archive. What you are missing is h.close() and that's why it doesn't work. I tried to find where it does the pipermail stuff, but it's a bit complicated [I'm not so at ease with Python]. Yes, the archiver is very convoluted because classes are subclassed and methods overridden all over. Don't feel bad. I've been looking at it for years and still only barely understand it. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Indexing mail right after delivery
On 3/4/2010 4:46 AM, Cedric Jeanneret wrote: uho, found it !! mailman/bin/arch toto I guess that's all :)) You may or may not be able to use bin/arch, but you can't use it in conjunction with an external archiver because of list locking. If you call bin/arch from your external archiver and wait for it to return, you will have a deadlock, and if you don't wait, it won't run until after your external archiver finishes. I.e., an external archiver command like '|/path/bin/arch $(listname)s;/path/myscript.py $(listname)s' creates a deadlock, and one like '|/path/bin/arch $(listname)s/path/myscript.py $(listname)s' doesn't work because myscript.py has to complete before bin/arch can obtain the list lock. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Indexing mail right after delivery
On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:49:54 -0800 Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: On 3/4/2010 4:23 AM, Cedric Jeanneret wrote: I think I found what's the problem is : the script works now, but as I write my own archiver, it doesn't do the pipermail part (i.e. update mails in archive)... I thought that this code : mlist = MailList.MailList(maillist, lock=False) msg = email.message_from_file(sys.stdin, Message.Message) f = StringIO(str(sys.stdin)) h = HyperArch.HyperArchive(mlist) h.processUnixMailbox(f) f.close() did all, but after reading a bit of code, it doesn't exactly. It saves to .mbox file, right ? No. It doesn't save to the .mbox file. If you look at the ArchiveMail() method in Mailman/Archivers/Archiver.py. it first saves to the .mbox by doing if mm_cfg.ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX in (1, 2): self.__archive_to_mbox(msg) Then it either calls the external archiver or executes essentially the above to archive the mail in the pipermail archive. What you are missing is h.close() and that's why it doesn't work. I tried to find where it does the pipermail stuff, but it's a bit complicated [I'm not so at ease with Python]. Yes, the archiver is very convoluted because classes are subclassed and methods overridden all over. Don't feel bad. I've been looking at it for years and still only barely understand it. hmmm, I use the h.close() a bit after (I catche its latest ID so that I ca build the direct URL for my indexer). But for now, I guess I'm done. I've opened a bug (didn't figure where I could put my stuff) on launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/531942 It contains my scripts, and some informations on how to use them. Indeed, arch script uses locks. I copied it, removed the lock stuff, and used this version. All work fine now. I'm happy I could understand a bit (well... very little bit) how mailman works. Thanks again ! -- Cédric Jeanneret | System Administrator 021 619 10 32| Camptocamp SA cedric.jeanne...@camptocamp.com | PSE-A / EPFL signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Indexing mail right after delivery
On 3/4/2010 7:10 AM, Cedric Jeanneret wrote: hmmm, I use the h.close() a bit after (I catche its latest ID so that I ca build the direct URL for my indexer). But for now, I guess I'm done. I've opened a bug (didn't figure where I could put my stuff) on launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/531942 It contains my scripts, and some informations on how to use them. I've seen your bug in the tracker. It's too bad Launchpad calls everything a bug, but that's the right place. Indeed, arch script uses locks. I copied it, removed the lock stuff, and used this version. All work fine now. I will have some comments after I look at this more. I think there is redundant stuff, but I'll comment further after I look in detail. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] List Limitations
Hello, Our Association currently uses your mailing list program (Mailman), and I'm not familiar with it's limitations ie how big of a mailing list we can have. We're looking to start a new listserv with 3,000+ names, can the current system handle something of that size? I could not locate this info on your website, so all apologies if it's up there... I'd appreciate your help! Thanks, Richard Berta Membership, Marketing Communications Director California Library Association 950 Glenn Drive, Suite 150 Folsom, CA 95630 916.233.3298 p 916.932.2209 f Follow CLA on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Folsom-CA/California-Library-Association/87228833792 and Twitterhttp://twitter.com/callibassoc! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] List Limitations
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Richard Berta wrote: We're looking to start a new listserv Listserv is not a synonym for mailing list. Rather, it is the trademarked name for a competing brand of mailing list management software. Please do not use listserv in connection with GNU Mailman. with 3,000+ names, can the current system handle something of that size? Mailman can easily handle a list of that size. If you are to have an issue, it will be with your computer's resources (memory, disk space, etc.) and/or Internet bandwidth. -- Larry Stone lston...@stonejongleux.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Problems regenerating archives from mbox files
I'm trying to rebuild the Pipermail archives for a list. The archive base runs from 1998 to present, about 25,000 mails/year. The mbox files are segmented by year. What documentation there is for the bin/arch utility appears to be in its --help printout and in the Python code. Thus far, it appears that we've gotten a complete build, but have problems with year 2002. About 250 posts have their headers archived properly, but without the message text. That text is archived as no subject on the date arch was run. I've done a quick check, just to idenfity the problem period, and so see what's in the mbox files for the affected posts. The posts themselves look correct, and I haven't spotted (yet) something in common such as one MUA being used for the original posts. Anyway, research proceeds. I'm using the elm mailreader as a check and diagnostic program on the assumption that if elm will read the mail, arch should be able to. Also using vi to examine the files. Qhuestion number one, of course, is why is arch behaving this way? This is affectingn one year's mbox file's builds. That mbox (year 2002) was generated under Mailman, and I think it was an early 2.x rev that was replaced over New Year's 2003. Question: Does the --wipe option delete all the archives, or does it see what period the selected mbox covers? I've assumed it's all archives, so doing an incremental rebuild will require storing anything previously build elsewhere? Question: Is there a way to do an incremental rebuild and have it replace already-built archives for a given time period? Or is that a manual rm job? Other things being equal, my plan of attack right now is to set up an empty archive directory, do incremental builds in it, then move each increment to a backup directory, clean out the build directory, and do the next increment. When all increments are built clean, I can then move the backup to production. If there's a better way, I'm all ears. Hank -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems regenerating archives from mbox files
Hank van Cleef wrote: Thus far, it appears that we've gotten a complete build, but have problems with year 2002. About 250 posts have their headers archived properly, but without the message text. That text is archived as no subject on the date arch was run. I've done a quick check, just to idenfity the problem period, and so see what's in the mbox files for the affected posts. This is a symptom of unescaped From_ lines in the bodies of the messages. Run bin/cleanarch against this .mbox Qhuestion number one, of course, is why is arch behaving this way? See above This is affectingn one year's mbox file's builds. That mbox (year 2002) was generated under Mailman, and I think it was an early 2.x rev that was replaced over New Year's 2003. Question: Does the --wipe option delete all the archives, or does it see what period the selected mbox covers? I've assumed it's all archives, so doing an incremental rebuild will require storing anything previously build elsewhere? --wipe removes the entire archive. To do an incremental build, you specify --wipe on only the first bin/arch command. Question: Is there a way to do an incremental rebuild and have it replace already-built archives for a given time period? Or is that a manual rm job? It's a manual rm, but easy enough unless there are some to remove and some to keep in the same volume (month). Other things being equal, my plan of attack right now is to set up an empty archive directory, do incremental builds in it, then move each increment to a backup directory, clean out the build directory, and do the next increment. When all increments are built clean, I can then move the backup to production. If there's a better way, I'm all ears. This is a bad idea. It will work, but if you have messages for the same volume in two increments, there will be a conflict. Just do bin/arch --wipe with the first increment and then bin/arch without the --wipe for the succeeding increments. After each increment, check and if the archive is OK, copy the entire archive to the backup. If it's not OK, restore the previous backup and fix what's wrong with that increment's .mbox. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Permission Denied errors
Hello Everyone, I am getting some permission denied errors that is causing about 2000 messages to appear in my mailbox, not sure what is going on. My check_perms seems to run fine and fix all permissions, so looking for any additional help. The error: IOErro: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.NKADDWEB.4363.0' Some additional info... /var/lib/mailman/locks is a symlink to /var/lock/mailman which has uid:gid of root:lists Thanks for any help! ClayB -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Permission Denied errors
Beyer, Clay IOErro: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.NKADDWEB.4363.0' Presumably this is from the emailed output of cron/gate_news which runs every 5 minutes and mails you this message. Was there a traceback. It would say exactly what was being attempted that there was not permission for. The problem is the user the cron runs as does not have permission to create the file or create a hard link to it. This could be permissions or SELinux or some other security policy manager. Some additional info... /var/lib/mailman/locks is a symlink to /var/lock/mailman which has uid:gid of root:lists and are the permissions on /var/lock/mailman drwxrwsr-w check_perms may have trouble because it gets confused by symlinks, but presumably they're OK or Mailman would be completely broken. So I'm guessing it's the cron user or a security policy manager. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Permission Denied errors
Beyer, Clay IOErro: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.NKADDWEB.4363.0' Presumably this is from the emailed output of cron/gate_news which runs every 5 minutes and mails you this message. Was there a traceback. It would say exactly what was being attempted that there was not permission for. The problem is the user the cron runs as does not have permission to create the file or create a hard link to it. This could be permissions or SELinux or some other security policy manager. Traceback (most recent call last): File /var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 284, in module main() File /var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 259, in main lock.lock(timeout=0.5) File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py, line 243, in lock self.__write() File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py, line 422, in __write fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') IOError: [Error 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.NKADDWEB.4363.0' That is the traceback. Some additional info... /var/lib/mailman/locks is a symlink to /var/lock/mailman which has uid:gid of root:lists and are the permissions on /var/lock/mailman drwxrwsr-w check_perms may have trouble because it gets confused by symlinks, but presumably they're OK or Mailman would be completely broken. So I'm guessing it's the cron user or a security policy manager. The permissions of /var/lock/mailman are as you stated. How do I make the cron user (im too much of a newbie for this to be a policy manager ;)) able to write to the directory, I'm not very fluent messing with users, yet... Thanks, ClayB -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Permission Denied errors
Beyer, Clay wrote: How do I make the cron user (im too much of a newbie for this to be a policy manager ;)) able to write to the directory, I'm not very fluent messing with users, yet... Mailman's crontab should be installed so it either belongs to the mailman user (which I think is 'list' in your case) or runs as the mailman user. I.e. it should be in /var/spool/cron/list or if it is in /etc/cron.d/ (e.g. /etc/cron.d/mailman), it should have a field in between the 5 date/time fields and the command containing 'list'. So where is Mailman's crontab? -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] List Limitations
Thank you, Larry, for the helpful information as well as a quick response! Richard Berta Membership, Marketing Communications Director California Library Association 950 Glenn Drive, Suite 150 Folsom, CA 95630 916.233.3298 p 916.932.2209 f Follow CLA on Facebook and Twitter! From: Larry Stone [lston...@stonejongleux.com] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:36 AM To: Richard Berta Cc: mailman-users@python.org; hol...@cla-net.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] List Limitations On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Richard Berta wrote: We're looking to start a new listserv Listserv is not a synonym for mailing list. Rather, it is the trademarked name for a competing brand of mailing list management software. Please do not use listserv in connection with GNU Mailman. with 3,000+ names, can the current system handle something of that size? Mailman can easily handle a list of that size. If you are to have an issue, it will be with your computer's resources (memory, disk space, etc.) and/or Internet bandwidth. -- Larry Stone lston...@stonejongleux.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] mailman admin question
Dear Sr. I Have admin user of mine mailman list. I want to know if may be possible using web admin page, delete old post. I Want to delete or modify some old post bye web: http://mylist.org/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/my-list-name/ may be possible?? the only way is command line? for me, now it is no possible. Thak you _ ¿Te gustaría tener Hotmail en tu móvil Movistar? ¡Es gratis! http://serviciosmoviles.es.msn.com/hotmail/movistar-particulares.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Problem with authorizing...
Every time someone from our listserv sends an email to the list we have to authorize the request. What is the setting to let ALL users on the list send email without getting authorization form the admin? Can't find it. Thank you. -Mitch Mitch Braff Executive Director Jewish Partisan Educational Foundation 2107 Van Ness Avenue Suite 302 San Francisco, CA 94109 (tel) 415.563.2244 (fax) 415.563.2442 mi...@jewishpartisans.org http://www.jewishpartisans.org Blog - http://www.jewishpartisans.org/blog Facebook - http://www.jewishpartisans.org/facebook -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Waiting moderator requests not found
Hi, I just upgraded from version 2.1.9 to 2.1.13 to hopefully solve a couple of problems, and the upgrade solved all but one. The moderator of one of the lists gets email that tells him there are two requests pending, but when he clicks on the link to go to the administrative database the message is ³There are no requests pending². Since this issue was also in 2.1.9, I¹m assuming it¹s not a software bug but rather a configuration error of some kind, but I have no idea what that might be. Can anyone offer me ome useful advice? Thanks, Rob Rob Tanner UNIX Services Manager Linfield College, McMinnville Oregon -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Permission Denied errors
-rw--- 1 mailman crontab /var/spool/cron/crontabs/mailman -rw-r--r-- 1 root root /etc/cron.d/maiman Those are the two places you mentioned. Thanks, ClayB Beyer, Clay wrote: How do I make the cron user (im too much of a newbie for this to be a policy manager ;)) able to write to the directory, I'm not very fluent messing with users, yet... Mailman's crontab should be installed so it either belongs to the mailman user (which I think is 'list' in your case) or runs as the mailman user. I.e. it should be in /var/spool/cron/list or if it is in /etc/cron.d/ (e.g. /etc/cron.d/mailman), it should have a field in between the 5 date/time fields and the command containing 'list'. So where is Mailman's crontab? -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman admin question
On 3/4/2010 1:08 PM, rey art wrote: I Have admin user of mine mailman list. I want to know if may be possible using web admin page, delete old post. I Want to delete or modify some old post bye web: There is no web facility for modifying messages in Mailman's archive. It has to be done as in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/2YA9 which requires command line access to the server. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Permission Denied errors
Beyer, Claywrote: -rw--- 1 mailman crontab /var/spool/cron/crontabs/mailman -rw-r--r-- 1 root root /etc/cron.d/maiman Those are the two places you mentioned. So I'm just guessing, but I suspect that the crontab in /etc/cron.d/mailman (?) is correct and is running successfully and the one in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/mailman is causing the problems because it runs as user 'mailman' and not as user 'list'. I think your problem will be solved if you just rm /var/spool/cron/crontabs/mailman but I can't say for sure without seeing the contents of both files and also knowing what groups the 'mailman' user is in. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Waiting moderator requests not found
Rob Tanner wrote: I just upgraded from version 2.1.9 to 2.1.13 to hopefully solve a couple of problems, and the upgrade solved all but one. The moderator of one of the lists gets email that tells him there are two requests pending, but when he clicks on the link to go to the administrative database the message is There are no requests pending. Since this issue was also in 2.1.9, = I'm assuming it's not a software bug but rather a configuration error of some kind, but I have no idea what that might be. The 2 moderator requests waiting message does not come from the mailman installation you just upgraded. It comes from a different test, demo, backup, whatever installation on the same or another server. First look at the Received: headers of the message to see where it originates. Then find the Mailman installation that's sending it and remove the installation or the list or at least remove its crontab. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with authorizing...
Mitch Braff wrote: Every time someone from our listserv sends an email to the list we have to authorize the request. What is the setting to let ALL users on the list send email without getting authorization form the admin? Can't find it. If you really have a listserv[1], you've come to the wrong place. If this is a Mailman list, what is the reason given for holding the message? [1] Please do not refer to Mailman lists as 'listservs'. Listserv(r) is a registered trademark[2] owned by the developer of a particular email list management product, and it shouldn't be used generically. My personal interest in this is not to protect the Listserv(r) trademark, but rather to avoid confusing Listserv(r) email list management software with any other email list management software including GNU Mailman of which I am a developer. [2] http://www.lsoft.com/corporate/trademark.asp -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] owner in a list
Hi list, I have a mailman installed and its work fine. I have a question about the owner list. I created a t...@domain.com list and defined three owners: us...@domain.com us...@domain.com otherl...@domain.com This otherlist is in my mailman. But, when I do some actions, like remove a member, or add a new member, the email is delivery only user1 and user2. The owner otherlist don't receive the email. This config is possible? Or I can't put a list like owner? Regards. MS -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] owner in a list
Infokeep - Mario Sergio wrote: I created a t...@domain.com list and defined three owners: us...@domain.com us...@domain.com otherl...@domain.com This otherlist is in my mailman. But, when I do some actions, like remove a member, or add a new member, the email is delivery only user1 and user2. The owner otherlist don't receive the email. This config is possible? Or I can't put a list like owner? It should work. There are several possible reasons why it isn't in your case. The message could be held, rejected or discarded as a non-member post by the 'otherlist'. The message could be held for 'implicit destination' by 'otherlist'. Check Mailman's vette log to see what's happening to the message to 'otherlist' and possibly adjust accept_these_nonmembers or acceptable_aliases of 'otherlist' as needed. Note that if you want anyone's mail to firstlist-owner to be delivered to otherlist without being held, you will need to set generic_nonmember_action to Accept for 'otherlist'. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
