Re: [Mailman-Users] Mx Records and Mailmans use of a domain

[Ty Nelson]

Lord. Sorry. Duh.  Postfix is what I use. Sorry, long day
:)

On May 5, 2010 7:29 PM, "Mark Sapiro"  wrote:

Ty Nelson wrote:
>
>GoDaddy is the main one. Another is 1&1. I'll look into it there though,
and
>th...

Whan I said:

>> How you do this depends on your MTA.
>> What is it? We may be able to help if we kn...
I was asking about the Mail Transport Agent (e.g., Exim, sendmail,
Postfix, Qmail, ???) that runs on your Mailman host and delivers Mail
to Mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mx Records and Mailmans use of a domain

[Mark Sapiro]

Ty Nelson wrote:
>
>GoDaddy is the main one. Another is 1&1. I'll look into it there though, and
>thanks so much.


Whan I said:

>> How you do this depends on your MTA.
>> What is it? We may be able to help if we know that, but really it's a
>> question for a list devoted to your MTA.


I was asking about the Mail Transport Agent (e.g., Exim, sendmail,
Postfix, Qmail, ???) that runs on your Mailman host and delivers Mail
to Mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mx Records and Mailmans use of a domain

[Ty Nelson]

Hmm.

GoDaddy is the main one. Another is 1&1. I'll look into it there though, and
thanks so much.

Best,
-Tyler

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> Ty Nelson wrote
> >
> >Perfect!  Thanks for letting me know those two options.  I think my last
> >question is how can I teach my MTA to relay non-Mailman-list mail to the
> >hosting company's server?  Is that something that is simple or should I
> >contact the hosting company to inquire about that?
>
>
>
> The answer to that depends at least in part on your MTA. Ideally you
> would arrange for the MTA to just relay the non-list mail to the
> hosting company's MX without altering the envelope recipient. It is
> likely that the host's MX won't know how to deliver the mail if you
> alter the envelope recipient. How you do this depends on your MTA.
> What is it? We may be able to help if we know that, but really it's a
> question for a list devoted to your MTA.
>
> Otherwise, you could just alias u...@your.domain to
> u...@host.mx.domain, but the host's MX probably won't know how to
> deliver that.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mx Records and Mailmans use of a domain

[Mark Sapiro]

Ty Nelson wrote
>
>Perfect!  Thanks for letting me know those two options.  I think my last
>question is how can I teach my MTA to relay non-Mailman-list mail to the
>hosting company's server?  Is that something that is simple or should I
>contact the hosting company to inquire about that?



The answer to that depends at least in part on your MTA. Ideally you
would arrange for the MTA to just relay the non-list mail to the
hosting company's MX without altering the envelope recipient. It is
likely that the host's MX won't know how to deliver the mail if you
alter the envelope recipient. How you do this depends on your MTA.
What is it? We may be able to help if we know that, but really it's a
question for a list devoted to your MTA.

Otherwise, you could just alias u...@your.domain to
u...@host.mx.domain, but the host's MX probably won't know how to
deliver that.

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[Mailman-Users] attachments dir question

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Savoy, Jim writes:

 > I was wondering what it is that determines if a message has "scrubbed
 > attachments".

The options you have set for filtering and the MIME structure of the
message does.  One possible explanation of your observation is that
for some reason the first message had only a text/html part, and
Mailman scrubbed it, while the second had both text/plain and
text/html parts, so that the text/plain part was retained as is and
the text/html discarded entirely.

 > why would there be inconsistencies between the message I posted
 > just now and the one I posted 2 days ago?

Most likely, because the structures of the messages created by your
MUA were different.

To determine for sure what's going on we'd need to know the exact
settings of your content filtering options, and see the raw messages
including all headers from the
mailman/archives/private/LIST.mbox/LIST.mbox file.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mx Records and Mailmans use of a domain

[Ty Nelson]

Perfect!  Thanks for letting me know those two options.  I think my last
question is how can I teach my MTA to relay non-Mailman-list mail to the
hosting company's server?  Is that something that is simple or should I
contact the hosting company to inquire about that?

Thanks again Mark!
-Tyler

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> Ty Nelson wrote:
> >
> >In the beginning I was initially told that a shortcut moethod of getting
> >mailman to work with a domain was to just remove the domains mx records.
> > This has worked.  My question is, how can I make it so my domain can
> still
> >have email working on the domain, as well as mailman?  As of now, mailman
> is
> >all the domain is used for.  Probably a dumb question, but how should I
> >setup my domains mx records so that the hosting company email still
> >functions with the domain, and mailman can also use the domain?
>
>
> I assume the Mailman server is not the same as the hosting company's
> mail server. In that case, you have two choices. You can leave your
> domain with no MX and only an A record (or an MX that points to the
> domain) and teach your MTA to relay non-Mailman-list mail to the
> hosting company's server, or you can set your domain's MX to point to
> the hosting company server and teach it to relay all Mailman list mail
> to your server.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mx Records and Mailmans use of a domain

[Mark Sapiro]

Ty Nelson wrote:
>
>In the beginning I was initially told that a shortcut moethod of getting
>mailman to work with a domain was to just remove the domains mx records.
> This has worked.  My question is, how can I make it so my domain can still
>have email working on the domain, as well as mailman?  As of now, mailman is
>all the domain is used for.  Probably a dumb question, but how should I
>setup my domains mx records so that the hosting company email still
>functions with the domain, and mailman can also use the domain?


I assume the Mailman server is not the same as the hosting company's
mail server. In that case, you have two choices. You can leave your
domain with no MX and only an A record (or an MX that points to the
domain) and teach your MTA to relay non-Mailman-list mail to the
hosting company's server, or you can set your domain's MX to point to
the hosting company server and teach it to relay all Mailman list mail
to your server.

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[Mailman-Users] Mx Records and Mailmans use of a domain

[Ty Nelson]

Hey geniuses,


In the beginning I was initially told that a shortcut moethod of getting
mailman to work with a domain was to just remove the domains mx records.
 This has worked.  My question is, how can I make it so my domain can still
have email working on the domain, as well as mailman?  As of now, mailman is
all the domain is used for.  Probably a dumb question, but how should I
setup my domains mx records so that the hosting company email still
functions with the domain, and mailman can also use the domain?

Thanks,
-Tyler
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[Mailman-Users] attachments dir question

[Savoy, Jim]

Hi all - I am running Mailman 2.1.5 (still!).

I was wondering what it is that determines if a message has "scrubbed
attachments". For instance, a couple of days ago, I sent a simple message to
one of my lists - just a sentence or two of text, and it created a directory
under
/archives/private/listname/attachments for it. I looked in there and
displayed
the HTML file it created, and all it had in it was my text and a few s.

I used the same mailer today and sent out another simple text message, and
no directory was created under attachments this time.

And then I compare my list (not-archived, digestible, no digest members)
to another identical list with plenty of posts sent to it (according to
/logs/post),
and there is no attachment directory at all. I just assumed it was the
mailer
I am using that determines if part of it should be scrubbed, but if that
were
so, why would there be inconsistencies between the message I posted just
now and the one I posted 2 days ago?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing host names, revisited... POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS?

[Tanstaafl]

On 2010-05-05 10:12 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Tanstaafl wrote:
>>  POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = 'example.com'

> The above needs to be
> 
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['example.com']



> With the one change above, this seems all good.
> 
> Please let us know how this goes. I will need to revise that FAQ.

Happy to do so, although I won't do this until tomorrow morning
(assuming I get in here early enough), as these lists are relatively
busy during the day.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] What is the best way to move Mailman 2.1.9 toanther server?

[Mark Sapiro]

Wang, Mary Y wrote:
>
>I'm currently running Mailman 2.1.9 on a server with a very old OS.  What is 
>the best way to move/migrate Mailman 2.1.9 to a newer server with a newer OS?  
> Could I just copy files over?  Or do I need to reinstall/reconfigure again 
>for the new server?


I recommend downloading and installing Mailman 2.1.13 on the new server
(see the FAQ at  for some Python caveats)
and then just copying Mailman's lists/ and archives/private/
directories and running check_perms. archives/public will take care of
itself as lists are accessed. See the lists posts linked from the
first part of the FAQ at  for more.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing host names, revisited... POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS?

[Mark Sapiro]

Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>Ok, so, now that we know how/why the current setup works, can you
>confirm the steps to fix it properly as:
>
>1. Stop postfix
>
>2. Stop mailman
>
>3. Make these changes to mm_cfg.py:
>
>  MTA = 'Postfix'
>  DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'example.com'
>  DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.example.com'
>  POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = 'example.com'


The above needs to be

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['example.com']

(it's a list of strings, not a string)


>  VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
>  add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>
>4. Run $prefix/bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url to fix all existing lists
>
>5. Run $prefix/bin/genaliases
>
>6. Delete the listna...@example.com > listna...@myhost.example.com
>   alias mappings from the mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_vam.cf db
>
>7. Start mailman
>
>8. Start postfix
>
>?


With the one change above, this seems all good.

Please let us know how this goes. I will need to revise that FAQ.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for Help recovering from Disk Full

[Mark Sapiro]

David Devereaux-Weber wrote:

>I'm running Mailman version 2.1.9 on Solaris.  I had a disk full
>situation.  I'm resolving problems as I encounter them.  Can anyone
>shed some light on this error message?  Is it possible to delete the
>held messages file to clear this up?
>
>Dave
>
>
>Your "cron" job on ddwsvcs
>/usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs
>
>produced the following output:
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 203, in ?
>main()
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 104, in main
>discarded = auto_discard(mlist)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 192, in auto_discard
>heldmsgs = mlist.GetHeldMessageIds()
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 143, in 
> GetHeldMessageIds
>return self.__getmsgids(HELDMSG)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 138, in __getmsgids
>ids = [k for k, (op, data) in self.__db.items() if op == rtype]
>TypeError: unpack non-sequence


Some list's lists/LISTNAME/request.pck file is corrupt. Yes, it can be
deleted if you know which one. If you don't, you can try

#!/bin/sh
cd ~mailman   (or whatever)
for list in `bin/list_lists --bare`; do
echo $list
bin/dumpdb lists/$list/request.pck > /dev/null
done

which should throw the same TypeError on the bad file.

Note that this will lose everything that you would have seen on the
list's admindb page were the file not corrupted, but it's basically
lost anyway. If there are held messages, they are in files named
data/heldmsg-LISTNAME-nnn.*. If you want to try to recover these (if
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing host names, revisited... POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS?

[Tanstaafl]

On 2010-05-04 1:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Tanstaafl wrote:
>> On 2010-05-03 6:24 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Here's how it looks to me. It was initially set up with email domain 
> myhost.example.com and that is all fine. It all works as it should. 
> You then decided that you wanted to be able to post to 
> listn...@example.com so you added a virtual_alias_mapping in 
> mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_vam.cf to map listn...@example.com to 
> listn...@myhost.example.com where it would be further mapped to
> local listname via Mailman's
> hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

Whew... you pretty much nailed it. Its been so long since I set this up
- and its been working so well - that I had completely forgotten how I
did this, but I remember now, and you're right, I did manually create
those aliases. :)

> The only problem with this is the listname listinfo page, list welcome
> messages, etc all say post to listn...@myhost.example.com

No problem, since I'm going to fix this up now, thanks to you... :)

> It would be better to just have the email domain as example.com and
> have
> 
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['example.com']
> 
> so mailman creates the virtual-mailman. Then it appears that since 
> mapping listn...@example.com to listn...@myhost.example.com in the 
> current mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_vam.cf works, you could just remove 
> those mappings from mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_vam.cf and let the 
> mappings in virtual-mailman do the job.
> 
> However, read the FAQ at  which I just 
> wrote yesterday. Now I'm not sure whether that is even necessary.

I read it, and don't think it is... it seems to be just a different way
to do the same thing, but is much more complicated (and therefore more
room for breakage)...

> Clearly my understanding of Postfix is not complete. In your setup,
> is example.com a virtual_mailbox_domain (listed in 
> mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_vmd.cf)?

Yes:

# postmap -q example.com mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_vmd.cf
Example Primary Domain

Ok, so, now that we know how/why the current setup works, can you
confirm the steps to fix it properly as:

1. Stop postfix

2. Stop mailman

3. Make these changes to mm_cfg.py:

  MTA = 'Postfix'
  DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'example.com'
  DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.example.com'
  POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = 'example.com'
  VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
  add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

4. Run $prefix/bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url to fix all existing lists

5. Run $prefix/bin/genaliases

6. Delete the listna...@example.com > listna...@myhost.example.com
   alias mappings from the mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_vam.cf db

7. Start mailman

8. Start postfix

?

Many thanks again Mark... this has at least been a learning experience
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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounces

[Mark Sapiro]

Barry Finkel wrote:
>
>I assume that there will be a warning message sent back to the "sender"
>after the mail has been queued for a few hours (we have in Postfix
>"delay_warning_time = 8").  I assume that the warning message will
>be sent to the list -bounces address, and that Mailman will process
>this warning correctly.


As you note, the sending of warnings, the warning time and the ultimate
give-up time are all controlled by the MTA and not Mailman. When
Mailman receives a Delay warning, it does the right thing which is to
ignore it.

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[Mailman-Users] What is the best way to move Mailman 2.1.9 to anther server?

[Wang, Mary Y]

Hi,

I'm currently running Mailman 2.1.9 on a server with a very old OS.  What is 
the best way to move/migrate Mailman 2.1.9 to a newer server with a newer OS?   
Could I just copy files over?  Or do I need to reinstall/reconfigure again for 
the new server?

Please advise.
Mary



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[Mailman-Users] Looking for Help recovering from Disk Full

[David Devereaux-Weber]

I'm running Mailman version 2.1.9 on Solaris.  I had a disk full
situation.  I'm resolving problems as I encounter them.  Can anyone
shed some light on this error message?  Is it possible to delete the
held messages file to clear this up?

Dave


Your "cron" job on ddwsvcs
/usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs

produced the following output:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 203, in ?
main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 104, in main
discarded = auto_discard(mlist)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 192, in auto_discard
heldmsgs = mlist.GetHeldMessageIds()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 143, in GetHeldMessageIds
return self.__getmsgids(HELDMSG)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 138, in __getmsgids
ids = [k for k, (op, data) in self.__db.items() if op == rtype]
TypeError: unpack non-sequence


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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounces

[Barry Finkel]

>In SMTP 4.y.z DSNs are "temporary" errors.  They could be caused by a 
>spam filter over loaded, or the system shutting down, or...
>
>> i'm assuming it's retried by the mta. the settings in mailman clearly 
>> state that it should be discarded right away...
>
>The 4.y.z should be seen as an invitation for the SMTP server to try 
>sending the message again at a later time.
>
>The MTA will eventually time out the message and generate a permanent error.

I assume that there will be a warning message sent back to the "sender"
after the mail has been queued for a few hours (we have in Postfix
"delay_warning_time = 8").  I assume that the warning message will
be sent to the list -bounces address, and that Mailman will process
this warning correctly.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Apache > Mailman VHost Config - WAS: Re: Changinghost names, revisited... POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS?

[Tanstaafl]

On 2010-05-04 1:44 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Isn't there something like
> 
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/path/to/mailman/cgi-bin/"
> 
> and
> 
> Alias /pipermail/ "/path/to/mailman/archives/public/"
> 
> in something like /etc/apache2/conf.d/50_mailman.conf?
> 
> That should be all you need.

Ah, right, I forgot about that one... yep, everything looks right so
that answers that...

Thanks again for all of your help Mark.

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