[Mailman-Users] Mailman unsubscribing my members
I have just had a rush of email messages from my members that they have received notice from Mailman that they are unsubscribed, and they are trying to restate themselves. I have not unsubscribed anyone, and do not want to have my members unsubscribed. How would I fix this, and how to ensure this stops? Your help is appreciated. Linda Cunningham Mongeon Consulting Inc. 301 Sunnymeade Drive Ancaster (Hamilton), Ontario L9G 4L2 Telephone: 905 390 1818 Toll free: 877 390 1818 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman unsubscribing my members
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 21:14, Linda Cunningham li...@mongeonconsulting.comwrote: I have just had a rush of email messages from my members that they have received notice from Mailman that they are unsubscribed, and they are trying to restate themselves. I have not unsubscribed anyone, and do not want to have my members unsubscribed. How would I fix this, and how to ensure this stops? Are they truly unsubscribed? If yes, then you have a security breach on your system, which is a much bigger problem that Mailman itself. If they are, it means someone either has root access to your server or has enough privileges on Mailman admin web UI to do that. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman unsubscribing my members
Linda Cunningham wrote: I have just had a rush of email messages from my members that they have received notice from Mailman that they are unsubscribed, and they are trying to restate themselves. I have not unsubscribed anyone, and do not want to have my members unsubscribed. How would I fix this, and how to ensure this stops? Your help is appreciated. This is what I wrote is a reject message for a post to mailman-ca...@python.org from someone else at Mongeon Consulting Inc. -- Your members are apparently being unsubscribed by automated bounce processing. You can adjust the settings or turn off bounce processing all together from the list admin web interface, but the real solution is to discover why apparently valid addresses are bouncing. You might be able to determine this from Mailman's logs and/or the MTA logs, but if this is a hosted Mailman, you will need to contact the host for this. To follow up or if you have other questions, please join the mailman-users@python.org list at http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users and post your request there. Note that this is a publicly archived list. Do not post personal information that you don't want to expose to the world. -- However, if yours is not the same list, there is probably some server-wide mail delivery issue that is causing excessive bouncing. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] unshunt
On Apr 4, 2011, at 4:09 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Troy Knabe wrote: I 1/2 read the unshunt documentation and ran unshunt with some 44k messages in the shunt directory. I killed the unshunt process and now all mailman process. I deleted all of the files out of the shunt directory. But I continue to receive duplicates of the 2008 and 2009 messages. What can I do now to stop this, so that I don't duplicate all 44k messages to my users? Stop your MTA and clear its queues. Also, clear Mailman's qfiles/out and maybe qfiles/in queue before restarting Mailman. You may need to be selective in your clearing, particularly of qfiles/in to avoid losing current data. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan Thanks Mark. That worked perfectly!! -Troy -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman domain and OS X serverset-up.
Sorry, my wife's computer has been down for days, and in the meanwhile she as taken over mine. At this point, all I've got is an iPad and a semi-wonky server in the closet, and neither of them is well suited for keeping up with lots of email. I'll fix that when I get her computer repaired and back into her hands so that I can get my computer back, but until then I'm going to be even more of an absentee admin for this list than normal. I may actually be getting a job soon doing Enterprise Mac OS X consulting, and if I do then I will let you folks know. If that happens, then I could potentially be available to do remote consulting for this kind of stuff through my employer. -- Brad Knowles Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2011, at 1:42 AM, JRC Groups joemailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Brad and Mark for your helpful and detailed replies. I have reached a point where I have the lists almost working but there are some issues still preventing the systems from functioning in a way that allows me to confident to launch these lists I wish to create. Apple's support has been MIA at best so I have given up and decided to seek other alternatives. Also, the numerous individuals I have spoken with at Apple were clearly (1) not interested in making any improvements or fixing the current issues with the version of Mailman that ships with OS X Server and (2) didn't know any more about it than I do (which is quite embarrassing considering they are part of the company's business support department). I can't imagine that there is anything other than some minor set-up issues that need to be corrected with my system. After all, I am sending and receiving e-mails and the lists are functional (to an extent anyway) as they send and receive messages. However, as I stated above, I don't want to launch the lists only to attract subscribers and then find out in a short while that Mailman has stopped working because something with my system wasn't set-up properly. I also can't imagine that it would be too difficult to install a new version of Mailman and manage it using its browser-based interface while ignoring Apple's System Administrator tool for this specific task. Brad, since you have this much experience with OS X Server would you be interested in helping me with my problem ? In case you are, please contact me off-list so that we can discuss it. I believe you should be able to connect remotely, right ? In case you are not interested, would you recommend me someone who is knowledgeable on both OS X Server and Mailman ? I have contacted numerous Apple consultants but couldn't find a single one who had any experience with Mailman. Thanks again for your helpful replies. Best regards, Joe --- On 3/30/11 5:36 PM, Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.org wrote: On Mar 30, 2011, at 6:15 PM, JRC Groups wrote: Is there anyone on the list who is familiar with both OS X Server and Mailman to help with this problem ? I am willing to pay a consultation fee to someone who can connect to my server remotely and help solve this issue. I've been an Apple consultant, at least part-time. I came within a hairs breadth of doing that job full-time for a local Apple VAR. I've got all the PDF versions of all the official Apple documentation on Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server, as well as PDF versions of the good 3rd party books on the subject. And I've been a professional Unix system administrator and consultant for over twenty years. The guy who used to run lists.apple.com was involved in the development and support of Mailman long before I came along, and has more experience in the business than I do. I don't mean to sound pessimistic or to rain on your parade, but in both cases, the solution was to blow away the stuff that Apple ships, and to install the real deal code as downloaded from list.org. The Mailman project is freely available open source (under a GNU license, no less), and the support we provide is best effort. There is no commercial version of Mailman that we sell or officially support. Anyone else that includes Mailman as part of a commercial product or service that they sell, should include with that a full after-sales support staff. Note that there isn't going to be a separate Server edition of Mac OS X Lion. No one seems to know if this means that all the stuff that the Server edition used to include will now be available to everyone, and that all the people who developed the Server edition of Mac OS X have been transitioned over to the mainline code development team, or if that means that a lot of products and services will get thrown out the door as Apple re-focuses exclusively on the retail/home user market. But that is certainly something that you should keep in mind as you look towards solutions in this space. -- Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.org LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu
[Mailman-Users] Autoresponder and privacy
I've just moved a discussion group from majordomo to Mailman and posted the first message to the group. So far, I've had one autoresponder message sent back. Thankfully, from what I can see, it only came to me and not to the list address, so hasn't started to loop. But I've a problem over preserving members' privacy. The list of subscribers isn't available to other list members. So unless someone posts a message in the discussion, when their email address will show up in headers, I'm the only person who knows who's registered. And some people will be concerned that stays the case. But the autoresponder message came from someone using their work email so it includes their name, job and contact details. It doesn't matter this time, as it came to me. But as soon as someone else posts to the group, I assume they'll get the same out of office message. I can warn everyone about this and suggest that, if they don't want their details revealed, they only use an address that they won't set out of office. But is there anything else I can do? Privacy is important in our group so I would like to do what I can, rather than leaving it people who didn't realise about this vulnerable. Meantime, I may unsubscribe this person so no-one else gets her out of office message. Not a problem with a loop, thankfully. (Yet? Maybe I'd better put some filters in pronto!) I'd be grateful for advice. Thanks Clare -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Autoresponder and privacy
Clare Redstone wrote: I've just moved a discussion group from majordomo to Mailman and posted the first message to the group. So far, I've had one autoresponder message sent back. Thankfully, from what I can see, it only came to me and not to the list address, so hasn't started to loop. Any autoresponder that responds to a list post is by definition broken. List posts are sent with Precedence: list and autoresponders aren't supposed to respond to such messages. Also, autoresponders shouldn't respond to the same address more than once within some period like a day or a week. Finally, an autoresponder should reply to the From: or Reply-To: address (although some badly broken autoresponders may respond to the Sender: or the envelope sender). Thus, if your list doesn't mung Reply-To:, no autoresponder should ever respond to the list posting address. Note that parts of the above apply only to individual posts. For digests, the From: is the LIST-request address, so if a broken autoresponder responds to a digest, the response will probably go to the -request address possibly generating a results of your email commands message from Mailman, but not if the autoresponse is Precedence: bulk, junk or list as it should be. In those cases, it will be discarded. But I've a problem over preserving members' privacy. The list of subscribers isn't available to other list members. So unless someone posts a message in the discussion, when their email address will show up in headers, I'm the only person who knows who's registered. And some people will be concerned that stays the case. OK But the autoresponder message came from someone using their work email so it includes their name, job and contact details. It doesn't matter this time, as it came to me. But as soon as someone else posts to the group, I assume they'll get the same out of office message. That's probably true, but if list lurkers choose to use broken autoresponders that may reveal their address to a list poster and are upset about that, that's really their problem. What do they do about all the spam they autorespond to? Do they care about that? I can warn everyone about this and suggest that, if they don't want their details revealed, they only use an address that they won't set out of office. But is there anything else I can do? Privacy is important in our group so I would like to do what I can, rather than leaving it people who didn't realise about this vulnerable. Meantime, I may unsubscribe this person so no-one else gets her out of office message. I appreciate your desire to protect your user's privacy, but I think there's little beyond a warning that you can do. Rather than unsubscribing the user, you could just set him/her to no mail. You could also suggest to people that are concerned that they could set themselves to no mail Not a problem with a loop, thankfully. (Yet? Maybe I'd better put some filters in pronto!) As I indicate above, a mail loop is very unlikely if you don't mung Reply-To:. Yes, there could be some brain dead autoresponders out there that respond to Precedence: list messages send the autoresponse to the To: address (or Reply-To: if you mung it), and send multiple responses to the same address, but I think this is rare. That's not to say that you shouldn't try to filter, but it's not easy. You could set all members moderated and new members moderated by default and then clear each poster's moderate bit as they post. Clearing the moderate bit is just a checkbox in the admindb interface when approving the post. That way, a lurker's autoresponse could never make it to the full list. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] regarding specific mail ids
Hi, I have a one mailing list t...@example.com and there is 10 people (mail ids) i have added, Is it possible if a...@example.com send mail to t...@example.com mailing list then out of 10 only 5 people get the mails (i want to deliver specific mail ids) and if b...@example.com send mail to t...@example.com then all people should get the mails. Please tell me procedure and settings Thanks Regards, Arun Kumar Gupta = -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Starting mailman: Site list is missing: mailman [Failed]
Hello Everyone , I have Newbie in the Mailing list but have 2 years of experience in postfix mailing system. my new project is to setup a mailing for the company internal organization such has eg ( admin dpt should have 5 to 6 email address etc with rules) i have an preinstalled mailman on redhat enterprise linux 4 and by reading the docs i make the configuration of mailmain to use postfix mta after all the setup while starting the mailman service i received the following error: -- [root@relay ~]# /etc/init.d/mailman start Starting mailman: Site list is missing: mailman [FAILED] --- Please help me in this situation . Regards, Kshitij Mali foreplay...@gmail.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] External processing failed. communigate and mailman
Hi, N.B. Sorry if it's a duplicate post. I didn't receive the message I sent to the list. Probably because it was done before I change from digest to single. Any way. I really need your help. Back to the message : Installed mailman 2.1.13, via macports, on snow leopard ( 10.6.7) with success. Same results following the procedure Larry Stone described on http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg56923.html Everything is working fine except for the integration with communigate. Error message from communigate : failed on 'mailman post testl...@domain.com'. Error Code=external processing failed ( pathname of the wrapper : /opt/local/libexec/mailman/mail ) The answer from the communicate discussion list is : Make sure that your program reads everything from the standard input up to EOF, exits with zero status code and does not output to the STDERR stream. Extract from the communicate documentation : The message text (including the message headers and the message body) is passed to the external application as its standard input. Note: the application must read the entire stdin data stream, otherwise message processing fails. When the external application completes, the PIPE module reads and discards the application standard output. Make sure that your application does not write anything to its standard output, so it is not blocked when the communication channel (pipe) buffer between the application and the Server is full. Thanks in advance for any help and hints to use mailman with communigate. P.S. Same results with mailman 2.1.14 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] regarding specific mail ids
Arun Gupta wrote: I have a one mailing list t...@example.com and there is 10 people (mail ids) i have added, Is it possible if a...@example.com send mail to t...@example.com mailing list then out of 10 only 5 people get the mails (i want to deliver specific mail ids) and if b...@example.com send mail to t...@example.com then all people should get the mails. It is not possible in standard Mailman to select a subset of list members to receive a post based on who posted. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Autoresponder and privacy
Clare Redstone writes: I can warn everyone about this and suggest that, if they don't want their details revealed, they only use an address that they won't set out of office. As Mark said, this is in some sense the best you can do. It's not really possible to filter on contact details, although phone number could be done (assuming you know that you have a certain country's phone number, and that country isn't Japan, which has almost as many phone number formats as it does phones). But you'd need to moderate and edit the messages by hand; automatically removing contact details is beyond the state of the art at the moment. But is there anything else I can do? Privacy is important in our group so I would like to do what I can, Note that in U.S. law in some jurisdictions, you may be liable for damages if you make an attempt to protect a person and fail[1], while no liability is incurred if you do nothing. Sad but true. Talk to your lawyer. That said, you can filter out signatures. There's a standard in message format, which assumes that everything following a line containing *exactly* two hyphens followed by a space, no more and no less, is a signature. The details of actually removing the signature are somewhat messy (everything in mail is between somewhat messy and after the bomb hit), and many people (and the occasional professional program) set up the signature wrong, so it's smart-people-proof, but fool-weak. There are other standard ways to set up a signature, too, and you could filter those out as well. However, automatically editing messages is almost certain to result in lost information at some point, and there is no way to guarantee you'll catch all inadvertant revelations. Meantime, I may unsubscribe this person so no-one else gets her out of office message. Set such subscribers to no-mail, instead. Then they don't lose any personal settings and can turn the list back on for themselves when they return. If there are private archives, they can continue to access those. Note that Mailman private archives are not terribly secure by default; you might not want to allow access even with in the privacy setting. Footnotes: [1] It used to be said that in New York City you could tell the lawyers' houses in winter time because they didn't shovel snow off their sidewalks. A shoveled walk is more likely to be icy and slick. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] External processing failed. communigate and mailman
On 4/5/2011 11:49 AM, Ch Abarguia wrote: N.B. Sorry if it's a duplicate post. I didn't receive the message I sent to the list. Probably because it was done before I change from digest to single. There are two reasons why you didn't see your original post. First, you are sending from gmail and you will never see your own posts because gmail discards them as duplicates of the sent message. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/2IA9. The other reason is in this case, you are a new member of the list and new members are moderated by default, and anti spam measure, so your post had to wait for moderator approval. Installed mailman 2.1.13, via macports, on snow leopard ( 10.6.7) with success. Same results following the procedure Larry Stone described on http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg56923.html Everything is working fine except for the integration with communigate. Error message from communigate : failed on 'mailman post testl...@domain.com'. Error Code=external processing failed ( pathname of the wrapper : /opt/local/libexec/mailman/mail ) I know nothing of communigate and little specific about Apple, but the pathname of the mail wrapper should probably be /opt/local/libexec/mailman/mail/mailman - /opt/local/libexec/mailman/mail would normally be the directory that holds the wrapper. The answer from the communicate discussion list is : Make sure that your program reads everything from the standard input up to EOF, exits with zero status code and does not output to the STDERR stream. Extract from the communicate documentation : The message text (including the message headers and the message body) is passed to the external application as its standard input. Note: the application must read the entire stdin data stream, otherwise message processing fails. When the external application completes, the PIPE module reads and discards the application standard output. Make sure that your application does not write anything to its standard output, so it is not blocked when the communication channel (pipe) buffer between the application and the Server is full. Thanks in advance for any help and hints to use mailman with communigate. Also, the post command to the wrapper should normally be wrapper post listname I.e., in this case mailman post testlist not mailman post testl...@domain.com -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Starting mailman: Site list is missing: mailman[Failed]
kshitij mali wrote: i have an preinstalled mailman on redhat enterprise linux 4 and by reading the docs i make the configuration of mailmain to use postfix mta after all the setup while starting the mailman service i received the following error: -- [root@relay ~]# /etc/init.d/mailman start Starting mailman: Site list is missing: mailman [FAILED] --- You must have the 'mailman' site list in order to start Mailman. bin/newlist mailman -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
