Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages not getting to mailman

2011-10-13 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 10/13/2011 5:15 PM, Edward Negron wrote:
> 
> I have been getting the same complaints from folks on our list a well. I sent 
> out test emails earlier today and have not seen the posts.  Any clue what is 
> going on and how to fix this issue? 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages not getting to mailman

2011-10-13 Thread Edward Negron 

I have been getting the same complaints from folks on our list a well. I sent 
out test emails earlier today and have not seen the posts.  Any clue what is 
going on and how to fix this issue? 

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 > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:21:50 -0400
> From: kudu...@gmail.com
> To: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not getting to mailman
> 
> When I send messages to mailman, they don't seem to be received by it
> and don't end up in the archives.
> 
> One example from syslog:
> Oct 13 08:00:08 techessentials postfix/smtpd[18546]: 5819914DC14:
> client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
> Oct 13 08:00:08 techessentials postfix/cleanup[18548]: 5819914DC14:
> message-id=
> Oct 13 08:00:08 techessentials postfix/smtpd[18546]: disconnect from
> localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
> Oct 13 08:00:08 techessentials postfix/qmgr[353]: 5819914DC14:
> from=, size=2245,
> nrcpt=1 (queue active)Oct 13 08:00:08 techessentials
> postfix/smtpd[18546]: disconnect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
> Oct 13 08:00:09 techessentials postfix/pipe[18549]: 5819914DC14:
> to=, relay=mailman,
> delay=0.83, delays=0.18/0.02/0/0.63, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered
> via mailman service)
> Oct 13 08:00:09 techessentials postfix/qmgr[353]: 5819914DC14: removed
> 
> How can I fix this?
> 
> Note: I'm not subscribed to the list, so please keep me CC'd.
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Group mismatch

2011-10-13 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Mollatt Ntini wrote:
>I had actually set the gid=0 which is wheel's group ID in the Makefile. 
>I do not even have the group=mail on my system. I have tried tweaking 
>around according to that link, but still no joy. What do you think 
>should change?


I would do the following:

First, I would not use group wheel. It is too privileged. You could use
'mailman', or 'daemon' or some other non-priveleged group that seems
appropriate.

Assuming you choose mailman, rerun configure with
--with-mail-gid=mailman and make install.

Then in your Exim config in the definition of the mailman_transport
transport, put

  user  = mailman
  group = mailman

or if you already have something like

  user  = MM_UID
  group = MM_GID

find the definitions of these and make them

MM_UID=mailman
MM_GID=mailman


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Group mismatch

2011-10-13 Thread Mollatt Ntini 

On 10/13/2011 6:35 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

Mollatt Ntini wrote:

[SNIP]


First of all, from the first message you quote, it looks like you
reconfigured with --with-mail-gid=mail rather than with
--with-mail-gid=wheel.

Rather than making further changes to Mailman, you can set the group
for the mailman_transport in Exim. See
.
I had actually set the gid=0 which is wheel's group ID in the Makefile. 
I do not even have the group=mail on my system. I have tried tweaking 
around according to that link, but still no joy. What do you think 
should change?


Thanx again.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Merging List Administrator with List membership

2011-10-13 Thread Syafril Hermansyah 
On 10/13/2011 11:24 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> There is a script to list the pending requests for a list at
> . 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman with postfix, using virtual domains

2011-10-13 Thread Syafril Hermansyah 
On 10/13/2011 11:54 PM, Geoff Shang wrote:
>> That's not wise IMHO, better to separate domain for list server and
>> virtual mailbox domain.
> 
> I've *never* had to do this and believe it just creates unecesary
> complexity where it's not needed.

This recommendation for public mailing list, not for internal use only.
When we used same domain for virtual mailbox domain and mailing list
sometimes sender/poster confused which address for mailing list or
mailbox, unless we made special name/arrangement such listnam...@domain.tld.

Making separate domains just to make simple/clear from sender/poster
point of view also making the configuration on postfix/mailman quite simple.
Just in case in the future the traffic of mailing list growing up which
can make mail for ordinary (corporate) affected, we can move all of
mailing list to other host.
If you run your own DNS server, creation of subdomain is no cost (no
need to buy/pay to domain registrar/registrant).


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages not getting to mailman

2011-10-13 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Kudu wrote:

>When I send messages to mailman, they don't seem to be received by it
>and don't end up in the archives.
>
>One example from syslog:
>Oct 13 08:00:08 techessentials postfix/smtpd[18546]: 5819914DC14:
>client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
>Oct 13 08:00:08 techessentials postfix/cleanup[18548]: 5819914DC14:
>message-id=


This is a Mailman generated notice of some kind. I can tell from the
Message-ID.


>Oct 13 08:00:08 techessentials postfix/smtpd[18546]: disconnect from
>localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
>Oct 13 08:00:08 techessentials postfix/qmgr[353]: 5819914DC14:
>from=, size=2245,
>nrcpt=1 (queue active)Oct 13 08:00:08 techessentials
>postfix/smtpd[18546]: disconnect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
>Oct 13 08:00:09 techessentials postfix/pipe[18549]: 5819914DC14:
>to=, relay=mailman,
>delay=0.83, delays=0.18/0.02/0/0.63, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered
>via mailman service)
>Oct 13 08:00:09 techessentials postfix/qmgr[353]: 5819914DC14: removed


And it was delivered by a 'mailman' transport (most likely the
officially unsupported by the GNU Mailman project, third party,
postfix-to-mailman.py from a Debian/Ubuntu package) to
openglobe-l-ow...@lists.techessentials.org. It should have then been
received by Mailman and resent as a separate message to the list's
owners and moderators.

The above message was not a post to the
openglob...@lists.techessentials.org list, although it may have been
precipitated by a post.


>How can I fix this?


Please see the FAQs at  and
.


>Note: I'm not subscribed to the list, so please keep me CC'd.


Please read the entire "About Mailman-Users" section of the listinfo
page at 
including the paragraph that begins "This mailing list is closed to
postings from non-subscribers."

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[Mailman-Users] Messages not getting to mailman

2011-10-13 Thread Kudu 
When I send messages to mailman, they don't seem to be received by it
and don't end up in the archives.

One example from syslog:
Oct 13 08:00:08 techessentials postfix/smtpd[18546]: 5819914DC14:
client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Oct 13 08:00:08 techessentials postfix/cleanup[18548]: 5819914DC14:
message-id=
Oct 13 08:00:08 techessentials postfix/smtpd[18546]: disconnect from
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Oct 13 08:00:08 techessentials postfix/qmgr[353]: 5819914DC14:
from=, size=2245,
nrcpt=1 (queue active)Oct 13 08:00:08 techessentials
postfix/smtpd[18546]: disconnect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Oct 13 08:00:09 techessentials postfix/pipe[18549]: 5819914DC14:
to=, relay=mailman,
delay=0.83, delays=0.18/0.02/0/0.63, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered
via mailman service)
Oct 13 08:00:09 techessentials postfix/qmgr[353]: 5819914DC14: removed

How can I fix this?

Note: I'm not subscribed to the list, so please keep me CC'd.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman with postfix, using virtual domains

2011-10-13 Thread Geoff Shang 

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Syafril Hermansyah wrote:


That's not wise IMHO, better to separate domain for list server and
virtual mailbox domain.


I've *never* had to do this and believe it just creates unecesary 
complexity where it's not needed.


Geoff.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Group mismatch

2011-10-13 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Mollatt Ntini wrote:
>
>I hope I find you all well. I hope someone can point me in the right 
>direction. I am getting this group mismatch error on my list server:
>
>=
>mail...@lists.me.com R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport: Child process 
>of mailman_transport transport returned 2 from command: 
>/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
>=
>
>My server specs are as follows:
>
>=
>FreeBSD 8.2
>Exim 4.76
>Python 2.7.2
>Mailman 2.1.14
>=
>
>On checking again, I get:
>=
>/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post
>Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
>wrapper script to be executed as group "mail", but
>the system's mail server executed the mail script as
>group "wheel".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
>script as group "mail", or re-run configure,
>providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=wheel'.
>=
>
>... and this was after I had recompiled mailman with wheel as the "gid" 
>which it was expecting. Before then it was giving me:
>
>=
>Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
>wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman other mail daemon", but
>the system's mail server executed the mail script as
>group "wheel".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
>script as group "mailman other mail daemon", or re-run configure,
>providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=wheel'.
>=
>
>I am not sure what I am missing.


First of all, from the first message you quote, it looks like you
reconfigured with --with-mail-gid=mail rather than with
--with-mail-gid=wheel.

Rather than making further changes to Mailman, you can set the group
for the mailman_transport in Exim. See
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Merging List Administrator with List membership

2011-10-13 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Syafril Hermansyah wrote:

>On 10/13/2011 04:24 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>
>> I don't think it's possible with the current version of
>> bin/show_qfiles, but it shouldn't be too hard to improve that script
>> to gather information from lists/*/pending.pck and sort them by time,
>> oldest first.  Then you know which lists haven't been moderated for
>> quite a long time, and need attention.  Then run that cron job daily
>> (I would think that's enough for the kind of list you describe).
>> 
>> I'm sorry I don't have the time to do it, though.  Maybe somebody
>> already has such a script?
>
>I don't have programming knowledge, so I can not do that myself :-(
>Anyhow, thanks for your attention


There is a script to list the pending requests for a list at
. This could be run via a
shell script like

#!/bin/sh
cd /path/to/mailman
for list in `bin/list_lists --bare`; do
  echo $list
  bin/list_pending [desired options] $list
done

Or if desired, you could collect the output in a file and sort or
otherwise manipulate it.

There is also the Mailman daily status report script (mmdsr) in the
contrib directory of the Mailman distribution.

Finally, there is the daily summary of pending requests (produced by
cron/checkdbs) that Mailman already produces for each list and mails
to the admins and moderators.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman on localhost

2011-10-13 Thread Pedro Sánchez 

thanks to all...

I resolv this problem... my users are local users, so when i add them 
to some list just input the email address on this way: 
user@localhost.localdomain and that was all. the problem was solved.


Thanks again.

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[Mailman-Users] Group mismatch

2011-10-13 Thread Mollatt Ntini 

Dear List,

I hope I find you all well. I hope someone can point me in the right 
direction. I am getting this group mismatch error on my list server:


=
mail...@lists.me.com R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport: Child process 
of mailman_transport transport returned 2 from command: 
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman

=

My server specs are as follows:

=
FreeBSD 8.2
Exim 4.76
Python 2.7.2
Mailman 2.1.14
=

On checking again, I get:
=
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post
Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
wrapper script to be executed as group "mail", but
the system's mail server executed the mail script as
group "wheel".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
script as group "mail", or re-run configure,
providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=wheel'.
=

... and this was after I had recompiled mailman with wheel as the "gid" 
which it was expecting. Before then it was giving me:


=
Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman other mail daemon", but
the system's mail server executed the mail script as
group "wheel".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
script as group "mailman other mail daemon", or re-run configure,
providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=wheel'.
=

I am not sure what I am missing.

Many thanks,

Molla.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Merging List Administrator with List membership

2011-10-13 Thread Syafril Hermansyah 
On 10/13/2011 04:24 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>  > So I speak for them, who has a little knowledge of IT but willing to run
>  > mailing list.
> 
> Well, if they have little knowledge of IT, then you should do the
> workflow analysis for them.  It's not a good idea to just do what
> users request, because they don't know what the capabilities are.

That's what I did, I tried to tech them how to manage the mailing list
and some of the result I am declaring here since I also lack of
knowledge of Mailman and Postfix (I was running Listar aka ecartis with
Exim since 2001, they said MailMan less techiest than Listar but too
many hidden menu).

>  > The need of notification for me it just make sure the real list-owner
>  > already did the job after enough learning curve so I can leave it them
>  > alone someday.
> 
> That's a different matter.  If the only person who really needs the
> service is you, then I would think you would prefer a periodic summary
> of all lists.

Indeed, actually listar/ecartis give me this kind of notice by adding me
as (hidden) super-admin at any list and enable "daily/weekly report"
(also "diagnostic report"), but I think no need for Mailman do by far,
notices of someone did changes of membership/password is suffice for me,
at least for now.

> I don't think it's possible with the current version of
> bin/show_qfiles, but it shouldn't be too hard to improve that script
> to gather information from lists/*/pending.pck and sort them by time,
> oldest first.  Then you know which lists haven't been moderated for
> quite a long time, and need attention.  Then run that cron job daily
> (I would think that's enough for the kind of list you describe).
> 
> I'm sorry I don't have the time to do it, though.  Maybe somebody
> already has such a script?

I don't have programming knowledge, so I can not do that myself :-(
Anyhow, thanks for your attention


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Merging List Administrator with List membership

2011-10-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull 
Syafril Hermansyah writes:

 > So I speak for them, who has a little knowledge of IT but willing to run
 > mailing list.

Well, if they have little knowledge of IT, then you should do the
workflow analysis for them.  It's not a good idea to just do what
users request, because they don't know what the capabilities are.

 > The need of notification for me it just make sure the real list-owner
 > already did the job after enough learning curve so I can leave it them
 > alone someday.

That's a different matter.  If the only person who really needs the
service is you, then I would think you would prefer a periodic summary
of all lists.  I don't think it's possible with the current version of
bin/show_qfiles, but it shouldn't be too hard to improve that script
to gather information from lists/*/pending.pck and sort them by time,
oldest first.  Then you know which lists haven't been moderated for
quite a long time, and need attention.  Then run that cron job daily
(I would think that's enough for the kind of list you describe).

I'm sorry I don't have the time to do it, though.  Maybe somebody
already has such a script?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman with postfix, using virtual domains

2011-10-13 Thread Syafril Hermansyah 
On 10/13/2011 01:43 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> Check out /etc/postfix/main.cf, it should have
>> > 
>> > mydestination = valnet.net
> 
> Except the OP's requirement was that valnet.net be a virtual mailbox domain.

That's not wise IMHO, better to separate domain for list server and
virtual mailbox domain.
Suppose valnet.net already use as virtual mailbox domain, create new
subdomain list.valve.net for mailing list.

At first I set my postfix also as virtual mailbox domain because I need
mail forwarding but at the end I change my mind by setting up mailbox
redirecting in postfix, that way I don't need to install dovecot etc :-)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Merging List Administrator with List membership

2011-10-13 Thread Syafril Hermansyah 
On 10/13/2011 01:51 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>> These actions are currently logged, but no notices are sent. 
>> >
>> >Which log?
> 
> Member added/removed is logged in Mailman's 'subscribe' log.
> Disposition of moderated post is logged in Mailman's 'vette' log.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Merging List Administrator with List membership

2011-10-13 Thread Syafril Hermansyah 
On 10/13/2011 01:36 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> This is regularly requested, but I have a hard time understanding why
> it's useful, unless you have really horrible connectivity to the list
> admin pages.  

> IMO YMMV, but really I think you should look at reorganizing the
> existing workflow rather than adding to it.

I commonly just act as list-maintainer for most mailing list that host
on my list server, only a few list that I have job as
list-administrator/list-moderators (technical mailing list).

Most mailing list are for small community (alumni of colleges, alumni of
senior high schools, alumni of junior high schools etc) which I don't
always follow, and the most list owner are lack of IT knowledge even too
old to learn the new technology but they (the list owner) are capable
enough to moderate the list, directing the discussion.
They trust me to run mailing list on my list server instead of at
yahoogroups or googlegroups because they know I will help them just in
case problems.

So I speak for them, who has a little knowledge of IT but willing to run
mailing list.
The need of notification for me it just make sure the real list-owner
already did the job after enough learning curve so I can leave it them
alone someday.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering messages containing certain 8 bit characters

2011-10-13 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 10/12/2011 6:58 PM, William Yardley wrote:
> Does Mailman base64 decode the subject before applying a regex, and if
> so, can I use UTF-8 character names in the regex to match various
> types of 8-bit characters?


No. header filter rules regexps are matched against the raw headers. If
a header is RFC2047 encoded, it is not decoded.


> Say, for example, that I want to block messages with "电话卡" somewhere
> in the subject line.
> 
> Obviously, the actual raw Subject header will be more like:
> 
>  Subject: =?GB2312?B?[encoded stuff here]?=
>  Subject: =?utf-8?B?[encoded stuff here]?=
> 
> I tried putting in a regex to hold messages matching:
>  Subject: .*\u7535\u8bdd\u5361
> 
> And that didn't seem to work. As far as I can tell, there is no way to
> find a substring that will always match when the Subject header is
> base64 encoded.


I think this is correct. Each 3 bytes which are base64 encoded result in
a 4-character base64 substring. If the characters you are looking for
are encoded as a multiple of 3 bytes and begin on a 3-byte boundary,
they will encode to a unique base64 string, but if they don't begin and
end on a 3-byte boundary the base64 substring will be affected by what
comes before and/or after. Thus, I don't think you can reliably match,
even if you are only dealing with a single character set.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman on localhost

2011-10-13 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Pedro Sánchez wrote:
>
>Im trying to test mailman in my local server (127.0.0.1) whit local user.
>
>the problem is that when i'm trying to add a new list whit the email 
>address user@localhost mailman not allow me to do that


Correct. Mailman requires that email addresses be qualified with a
domain that contains at least one dot.


>or if i put a 
>valid email address like u...@domain.com mailman give an error when i'm 
>trying to add local user to the list ,


What error?


>local users has a emal address 
>like this user@localhost
>
>some clue?


Try user@[127.0.0.1]

If that doesn't work, e.g. because your MTA doesn't accept domain
literals, you can edit the definition of the ValidateEmail(s) function
in Mailman/Utils.py to remove or comment the two lines

if len(domain_parts) < 2:
raise Errors.MMBadEmailError, s

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