Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

[Brad Knowles]

On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Lindsay Haisley  wrote:

> There are lots of mailing lists available.  Mailman is only one of them.
> Apple no doubt supports _a_ mailing list, but as Apple Enterprise
> Support says, one can seldom expect support from a proprietary software
> vendor for software which isn't their own.

This has long been a major bone of contention.  We're happy to have them take 
our software, but if they're going to make modifications to it, they need to 
share those modifications back with us -- and support their mods.  If they're 
going to ship a modified version of our software but then not provide those 
modifications back to us and not support their modifications, and not provide 
any support for what they have shipped? Well, then that makes them the bad guys 
-- they don't give us any way to be able to provide support to their customers, 
and they don't support their customers themselves.  Regretfully, the Server 
team at Apple is well known for ignoring feedback and input from anyone else, 
especially anyone else in the company.

But as I said, this is an old bone of contention.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

[Lindsay Haisley]

On Sun, 2012-08-19 at 12:22 +0900, Matthias Schmidt wrote:
> Am 13.08.2012 um 00:25 schrieb David Dodell:
> 
> > This list is my last hope on getting my problems fixed.
> > 
> > I am running OSX Lion  (not Mountain Lion). Mailman was part of
> > the default installation.
> > 
> > I have two issues which I have gotten absolutely no help from Apple
> > Enterprise Support ... basic answer, we don't support open source >
> > software and couldn't answer me on why they installed / advertised >
> > mailing lists but don't support it ... but I regress.

There are lots of mailing lists available.  Mailman is only one of them.
Apple no doubt supports _a_ mailing list, but as Apple Enterprise
Support says, one can seldom expect support from a proprietary software
vendor for software which isn't their own.

> > (1) First issue is cosmetic.At the bottom of each administrative
> > page, mailman does not display the icons which I see on ever other >
> > mailman website ... basically the mailman / python logos.   Not a >
> > real big deal, besides the cosmetic irk.   I've checked the docs, >
> > found the path in the config file, and sure enough the images are  >
> > there in the path, but they still do not display.   Ideas?
> 
> where is apache looking for the icons.
> I think I read on the OS X Server List that the icons are on a
> different place than they should be.

Look in your apache error log.  If a page is trying to display a
graphic, another page, or any file that's linked from a served page, and
apache can't find it, it'll log the error.

> > (2) Second issue is more serious.I can't get list moderation to
> > work.A message comes in to be moderator, I get email
>> notification of this.   However, if I login to the administrator
>> page, "pending moderator requests", if I try to approve, reject, or
>> any other command on that page, NOTHING happens ... the message keeps
>> appearing, no action is taken etc.
> 
> anything in the logs (apache, mailman ...)?

The vast majority of problems on any Unix type system leave footprints
in logs at a system level.  These are definitely your first recourse in
any investigation.  Logs in Unix-type OSes (OS X, Linux, BSD, etc.) are
almost invariably in /var/log, and are one of the things I really love
about Unix-flavor systems :)

> > 
> > I've repaired all permissions, but besides that, lost on what to try
> > next.
> 
> did you try your own install of mailman as it was suggested on the os
> x server list?

I've very frequently had the best luck installing Mailman (and other
software packages) from a tarball and _slavishly_ following the install
directions.  My policy on such installs out of the chute is: do not
deviate, do not pass Go, do not collect even a singly byte of what you
perceive as slack!  If the install screws up and some part of it won't
work, you have a clear path back from which others on forums such as
this one can follow your tracks, plus if there's a genuine bug, you can
report it as same without concern that it might be the result of some
step you skipped, or added, or some non-standard procedure that you
followed.  If one does a totally politically correct install, and still
has problems, then it's time for some sleuthing and experimentation.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

[Matthias Schmidt]

Am 13.08.2012 um 00:25 schrieb David Dodell:

> This list is my last hope on getting my problems fixed.
> 
> I am running OSX Lion  (not Mountain Lion). Mailman was part of the 
> default installation.
> 
> I have two issues which I have gotten absolutely no help from Apple 
> Enterprise Support ... basic answer, we don't support open source software 
> and couldn't answer me on why they installed / advertised mailing lists but 
> don't support it ... but I regress.
> 
> 
> (1) First issue is cosmetic.At the bottom of each administrative page, 
> mailman does not display the icons which I see on ever other mailman website 
> ... basically the mailman / python logos.   Not a real big deal, besides the 
> cosmetic irk.   I've checked the docs, found the path in the config file, and 
> sure enough the images are there in the path, but they still do not display.  
>  Ideas?

where is apache looking for the icons.
I think I read on the OS X Server List that the icons are on a different place 
than they should be.

> 
> 
> (2) Second issue is more serious.I can't get list moderation to work.
> A message comes in to be moderator, I get email notification of this.   
> However, if I login to the administrator page, "pending moderator requests", 
> if I try to approve, reject, or any other command on that page, NOTHING 
> happens ... the message keeps appearing, no action is taken etc.

anything in the logs (apache, mailman ...)?

> 
> 
> I've repaired all permissions, but besides that, lost on what to try next.

did you try your own install of mailman as it was suggested on the os x server 
list?


cheers
Matthias

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

[Matthias Schmidt]

Am 20.08.2012 um 01:00 schrieb David Dodell:

>> where is apache looking for the icons.
>> I think I read on the OS X Server List that the icons are on a different 
>> place than they should be.
> 
> 
> This problem has been fixed.   Strangely enough, found where apache was 
> looking for the icons, put them in that directory ... everything started 
> working.Even redid the icons to reflect the new Mailman logo.No 
> problems for several days, yesterday, it resorted to the original logos, 
> which aren't even in that location anymore.   Very strange.
> 
>>> (2) Second issue is more serious.I can't get list moderation to work.   
>>>  A message comes in to be moderator, I get email notification of this.   
>>> However, if I login to the administrator page, "pending moderator 
>>> requests", if I try to approve, reject, or any other command on that page, 
>>> NOTHING happens ... the message keeps appearing, no action is taken etc.
>> 
>> anything in the logs (apache, mailman ...)?
>> 
> 
> 
> Stupid question ... where is the mailman log so I can look.

I'd look here:
/private/var/mailman/logs

> 
>> did you try your own install of mailman as it was suggested on the os x 
>> server list?
> 
> 
> Not yet ... everything else is working very smoothly, and installing mailman 
> I'm afraid is above my abilities.I will have to seek outside help.
> 

it's not that difficult  I'd could help you.

cheers
Matthias


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Alternatives for Yahoo Groups like Web Features

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Adam McGreggor writes:

 > That might be overkill, in which case, if you can ignore/find an
 > additional service for c), and if your users are comfortable with
 > Wikis, a wiki may be a reasonable alternative. Some even have
 > permissions models -- Twiki springs to mind.

As does ZWiki, although "pounces" (with fangs and talons bared ;-) is
a more appropriate way to express the fear and loathing that come to
mind when the Zope permissions model is mentioned in my presence

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Alternatives for Yahoo Groups like Web Features

[Adam McGreggor]

On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 11:16:22AM -0500, Jason Glazer wrote:
> I am looking for some suggestions on how to provide some Yahoo Group
> like web features for some existing mailing lists. I run a variety
> of mailings lists related to building energy performance on the
> onebuilding.org web site using mailman and hosted by dreamhost. 

I have no idea if you'll be able to do what you want with Dreamhost; I
don't know, and CBA'd looking, at what their provisions are.

I'll assume that you can do what you like, though.

> a) a way for designated members to upload files that others can
> download
> 
> b) a way for designated members to add events to a shared calendar
> that anyone can see
> 
> c) a way to conduct simple polls to gauge interest in topics
> 
> d) a way for members to add links to a page to build up a library of
> good links
> 
> e) a way to create a FAQ page
> 
> f) perhaps a wiki-like way to create and edit pages in a freeform
> basis

For all of those, in one product, a couple of CMSes spring to mind,
particularly those with granular permission sets. I would look at
Drupal and Pyro. Drupal, additionally, has some modules to interact
with Mailman -- although you could use SQL, sync_members, and cron.

One thing to bear in mind with that sort of software is patching, and
keeping things up to date, along with testing your modules will work
across version migrations.

That might be overkill, in which case, if you can ignore/find an
additional service for c), and if your users are comfortable with
Wikis, a wiki may be a reasonable alternative. Some even have
permissions models -- Twiki springs to mind.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Alternatives for Yahoo Groups like Web Features

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Brad Knowles writes:

 > The problem is that you're not going to find a unified solution to
 > all these problems.

Not soon, but Mailman 3 will make it easier to integrate such with
Mailman (within a few months, I guess).  The actual work may take
years unless substantial resources are contributed, though.
N.B. Programs like GSoC would be possible sources of funding,
especially if the request comes from a respected developer (not
necessarily a Mailman developer!) capable of mentoring a student
developer for the project.  But it could also be done with Mailman
mentoring talent -- the students' ideas and goals are an important
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[Mailman-Users] Postfix and virtual user ( relay dovecot -> user unknown )

[Sébatien Andreatta]

Hello,

I have been looking for weeks on google , but i have not found valid answer
:

How to integrate Mailman with postfix without the use of
postfix-to-mailman.py script wich is not officialy supported ?

I have a working installation : Postfix -> Amavisd ( clamd , spamassassin )
And dovecot

I followed all the howto that i have found but it still doesn't work.

I would like to have all my lists on a subdomain : lists.mydomain.be

So , now here is my configuration :

postconf -n

alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases,
hash:/etc/mailman/aliases command_directory = /usr/sbin config_directory =
/etc/postfix content_filter = amavisfeed:[127.0.0.1]:10024 daemon_directory
= /usr/libexec/postfix data_directory = /var/lib/postfix debug_peer_level =
2 html_directory = no inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = all mail_owner
= postfix mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq.postfix manpage_directory =
/usr/share/man mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost,
lists.mydomain.be mydomain = mydomain.be myhostname =
smeagoln.mydomain.bemyorigin = $mydomain newaliases_path =
/usr/bin/newaliases.postfix
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix readme_directory =
/usr/share/doc/postfix-2.6.6/README_FILES recipient_delimiter = +
relay_domains = $mydestination relayhost = relay.domain.be sample_directory
= /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.6.6/samples sendmail_path =
/usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix setgid_group = postdrop smtpd_banner =
$myhostname ESMTP $mail_name unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550
virtual_alias_maps = ldap:/etc/postfix/ldap
-
aliases.cf , hash:/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman
virtual_gid_maps = static:493 virtual_mailbox_base =
/var/mail/vhosts/virtual_mailbox_domains =
ldap:/etc/postfix/ldap-domains.cfvirtual_mailbox_maps =
ldap:/etc/postfix/
ldap-accounts.cf virtual_transport = dovecot virtual_uid_maps = static:493

mm_cfg.py

DEFAULT_URL_HOST

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'smeagoln.mydomain.be'

MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.mydomain.be']

maillog :

Aug 18 19:22:47 mydomain postfix/qmgr[6085]: F05353E92: from=<
cru...@mydomain.be>, size=914, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Aug 18 19:22:47
mydomain dovecot: imap-login: Login: user=,
method=PLAIN, rip=::1, lip=::1, mpid=6139, secured Aug 18 19:22:48 mydomain
amavis[4479]: (04479-05) Passed CLEAN, MYNETS LOCAL [127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1]
 -> , Message-ID:
<1d504d6a1f2f9954ecc5ab2f4a193 b...@mydomain.be>, mail_id: zAsh0XT4N+qM,
Hits: -0.999, size: 510, queued_as: F05353E92, 5437 ms Aug 18 19:22:48
mydomain dovecot: imap(cru...@mydomain.be): Disconnected: Logged out
bytes=82/572 Aug 18 19:22:48 mydomain postfix/lmtp[6123]: BE3CE3E8F: to=<
t...@mydomain.be>, orig_to= ,
relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: 10024, delay=6.8, delays=0.31/0.49/0.25/5.7,
dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok, id=04479-05, from
MTA([127.0.0.1]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as F05353E92) Aug 18 19:22:48
mydomain postfix/qmgr[6085]: BE3CE3E8F: removed Aug 18 19:22:48 mydomain
dovecot: imap(cru...@mydomain.be): Disconnected: Logged out bytes=307/8873
Aug 18 19:22:49 mydomain postfix/pipe[6138]: F05353E92: to=,
relay=dovecot, delay=2.4, delays=0.2/1.3/0/0.86, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced
(user unknown)

Mailman version : 2.1.12 ( So , I can't use VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN )

So, how can I do for deliver all mail for t...@lists.mydomain.be by local
agent and so, use alias_maps ?

Thanks for your help
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