[Mailman-Users] Prefix for subject line
Hello list What will happened if i remove (leave blank) Prefix for subject line? Thank you in advance -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Prefix for subject line
Hello nikos Am 2014-02-03 09:43, schrieb nikos: What will happened if i remove (leave blank) Prefix for subject line? You will get subjects without any prefix for that list ;-) Kind regards, Christian Mack -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Prefix for subject line
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:43:27 +0200 nikos ni...@qbit.gr wrote: Hello nikos, What will happened if i remove (leave blank) Prefix for subject line? There will be no prefix to add to the subject line. This is not harmful in any way but some people prefer, for various reasons, to have them. Some MUAs seem to have a rather limited ability to filter messages. A subject prefix generally placates the users of such software. I prefer to *not* have prefixes, although that's largely due to the fact that, in the past, they could eat up screen real estate. That's not such an issue these days with nearly all monitors being of the wide screen variety. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent You're only 29 got a lot to learn Seventeen - Sex Pistols signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Rescuing Misdirected Mail from Moderation Queue - possible?
All -- I have a problem I hope you can help me with. I am a owner/manager of about a dozen interrelated lists and we've just discovered that about 50 posts which should have been delivered to the French-language list were actually being sent to the English language list. Is it possible to actually have them sent to the correct list with their original date/time? Here's the details: -- All lists are announce-only, with approval passwords, and explicit address restrictions. -- The messages incorrectly sent to the English list are being held in that list's moderation queue because they have the wrong password, as they should be. I'm wondering if it is possible to somehow copy/move/duplicate the moderation queue of the English list into the French list, then use the moderation webpage to 'accept' the posts for delivery. Since I have complete root access to the server running Mailman, I can do whatever I like at the file system level and then refresh Mailman. So, a couple of questions about this idea: 1) If this is a feasible method, with the accepted posts come with their original date/time? 2) Will Mailman appropriately strip out the 'Approved:password' line when a message is released from the moderation queue, or will it deliver the message in it's entirety? 3) Do I need to temporarily update the require_explicit_address option in the French list, or will accepting the posts from the moderation queue override that preference? Are there other ways to achieve what I'm looking to do? Thanks in Advance, Drew Tenenholz -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] converting an e-mail discussion to a list (with existing archive)
Well, I was originally going to post about a strange issue I encountered with dates being mangled... but since I figured out the answer on my own, I'll just post these instructions instead, in case someone finds them useful :) Some friends and I were e-mailing back and forth with regular e-mails, putting everyone in the CC list, etc. and it was getting too confusing to keep track of. We want to move the discussion topic onto a mailing list instead. 1. Make a new blank Mailman list 2. Set yourself as the admin and the only subscriber 3. Go into Mailman's Defaults.py and change these settings: ARCHIVER_CLOBBER_DATE_POLICY = 2 ARCHIVER_ALLOWABLE_SANE_DATE_SKEW = days(15) Very important! If you don't change those, the archive threading will be completely messed up. (this is the issue I was having... didn't figure out that this setting existed until after I'd imported a hundred e-mails... see below for how to fix it if you did that too.) 4. Turn off respond_to_post_requests on the Mailman general settings page for the list Very important! If you don't turn this off, everyone may get lots of your message has been held e-mails. 5. Find an e-mail program that has a 'bounce' or 'redirect with full headers' command (e.g. alpine, claws-mail, ...) -- this will preserve who sent what, instead of it all coming from you 6. Start 'bounce'ing all messages related to the conversation to the new list's posting address 7. Verify that threading and attachments are being handled correctly in the archive 8. When you've finished creating the archive, subscribe everyone else to the list. If you find yourself past step 3 without having turned off date mangling and all your older e-mails are in the wrong archive month: - go into (Mailman)/private/listname.mbox/ - Delete Date: and convert X-Original-Date: back to Date: on the affected messages in (Mailman)/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox - move (Mailman)/private/listname/ to a backup location - From the Mailman base directory, run 'bin/arch listname' - move the 'attachments' subdirectory of the backed-up archive back into the newly generated one (If you have Mailman set to scrub attachments; the attachments are not kept in the mbox archive, but the generated links are completely preserved when re-running 'arch', so simply moving the old folder back into place preserves all the attachment links in the new archive.) ~Felix. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Rescuing Misdirected Mail from Moderation Queue - possible?
On 02/03/2014 07:01 AM, Drew Tenenholz wrote: Is it possible to actually have them sent to the correct list with their original date/time? There are at least two ways to do this. The messages are in Mailman's data/ directory as files with names like heldmsg-LIST-nnn.ext where LIST is the listname, nnn is a sequence number and ext is either 'pck' if mm_cfg.HOLD_MESSAGES_AS_PICKLES is True (the default) or 'txt' if it is False. One way would be to extract the messages from the heldmsg-*.pck files (or just use them as if they're .txt) and queue them to the correct list's incoming queue with Mailman's bin/inject command. The tricky part here is if the heldmsg-* files are pickles, extracting the message requires a separate step, but something like for f in `ls data/heldmsg-englishlist-*.pck; do bin/show_qfiles $f | bin/inject -l frenchlist rm $f done should work, or just for f in `ls data/heldmsg-englishlist-*.msg; do bin/inject -l frenchlist $f rm $f done for the .msg case. Another way is to use the script at http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/hold_again. This requires renaming all the heldmsg-englishlist-* files to heldmsg-frenchlist-*, while preserving the extension an then running /path/to/hold_again -l frenchlist So, a couple of questions about this idea: 1) If this is a feasible method, with the accepted posts come with their original date/time? Yes, with either method. 2) Will Mailman appropriately strip out the 'Approved:password' line when a message is released from the moderation queue, or will it deliver the message in it's entirety? The Approved: password will be stripped. 3) Do I need to temporarily update the require_explicit_address option in the French list, or will accepting the posts from the moderation queue override that preference? You will need to turn off require_explicit_destination or add the english list to acceptable_aliases or the messages will be held by the french list. After doing either method, the admindb page for the english list will show a bunch of Message with id nnn was lost. messages the first time it is visited. This is harmless. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] converting an e-mail discussion to a list (with existing archive)
On 2/2/14 10:14 PM, Marcel (Felix) Giannelia wrote: 1. Make a new blank Mailman list 2. Set yourself as the admin and the only subscriber 3. Go into Mailman's Defaults.py and change these settings: ARCHIVER_CLOBBER_DATE_POLICY = 2 ARCHIVER_ALLOWABLE_SANE_DATE_SKEW = days(15) Very important! If you don't change those, the archive threading will be completely messed up. (this is the issue I was having... didn't figure out that this setting existed until after I'd imported a hundred e-mails... see below for how to fix it if you did that too.) 4. Turn off respond_to_post_requests on the Mailman general settings page for the list Very important! If you don't turn this off, everyone may get lots of your message has been held e-mails. 5. Find an e-mail program that has a 'bounce' or 'redirect with full headers' command (e.g. alpine, claws-mail, ...) -- this will preserve who sent what, instead of it all coming from you 6. Start 'bounce'ing all messages related to the conversation to the new list's posting address 7. Verify that threading and attachments are being handled correctly in the archive 8. When you've finished creating the archive, subscribe everyone else to the list. Steps 3. through 6. could be more easily accomplished by the following: 1) Gather all the emails into a single *nix mbox format file. Depending on your email client, this may already exist as the folder containing the desired messages. 2) copy that mbox file to /path/to/mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox 3) run Mailman's bin/arch --wipe listname -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, CaliforniaBetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] converting an e-mail discussion to a list (with existing archive)
On 2/3/2014 3:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Steps 3. through 6. could be more easily accomplished by the following: 1) Gather all the emails into a single *nix mbox format file. Depending on your email client, this may already exist as the folder containing the desired messages. 2) copy that mbox file to /path/to/mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox 3) run Mailman's bin/arch --wipe listname Before running step 3 it might be a good idea to verify that all the messages in your mbox file have correct Date: lines. Incorrect Date lines will cause Mailman to arrange messages in the wrong order. Date lines can be incorrect if the original sender's MUA was misconfigured. If a wrong timestamp is given, Mailman will accept it and order the messages accordingly. If a message has no timestamp at all, Mailman will order that message as if it had been sent at the moment when Mailman is indexing the archive. At least this is what happened for me when I tried a somewhat similar project. -- Larry Kuenning la...@qhpress.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Why does iOS's Safari log out the moderator web page?
I use the moderator web page with Firefox, and it stays logged in for as long as I keep the browser open. But with Safari on iPhone and iPad, I often have to log in again when I return to it. Same for every other browser I've tried under iOS. Can anyone tell me why? Peter Shute -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why does iOS's Safari log out the moderator web page?
On 02/03/2014 05:04 PM, Peter Shute wrote: I use the moderator web page with Firefox, and it stays logged in for as long as I keep the browser open. But with Safari on iPhone and iPad, I often have to log in again when I return to it. Same for every other browser I've tried under iOS. Can anyone tell me why? Because the session cookie which keeps the fact that you've logged in is being expired, presumably because when you leave the browser and return to it, iOS starts a new session or otherwise invalidates the session cookie. Why it does this is an Apple question. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why does iOS's Safari log out the moderator web page?
On 4 Feb 2014, at 12:26 pm, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: On 02/03/2014 05:04 PM, Peter Shute wrote: I use the moderator web page with Firefox, and it stays logged in for as long as I keep the browser open. But with Safari on iPhone and iPad, I often have to log in again when I return to it. Same for every other browser I've tried under iOS. Can anyone tell me why? Because the session cookie which keeps the fact that you've logged in is being expired, presumably because when you leave the browser and return to it, iOS starts a new session or otherwise invalidates the session cookie. Why it does this is an Apple question. That makes sense. Is there any way around it? Is it possible to make it use persistent cookies? Note that this problem wasn't anywhere near as bad until I upgraded from iOS6 to iOS7. I don't mind logging in again every few days. Peter Shute -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Populating mailman lists out of AD or LDAP.
Thanks, I see there is a comment #10 on possible problems with 3000 users?, we want to do 2+. Is that possible? regards Steven From: Mailman-Users mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org on behalf of Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014 9:55 a.m. To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Populating mailman lists out of AD or LDAP. On 02/02/2014 12:18 PM, Steven Jones wrote: Hi, I want to populate a specific mailman list with users from AD (if possible) or IPA/LDAP that have a specific attribute in AD. Is this possible? I can see lots of old comments dated 2004 from googling but nothing newer so far. Assuming you mean you want Mailman to maintain the list membership dynamically from the database and not simply do periodic extraction of a user list from the database to use with a tool like sync_members, there is an LDAP member adaptor for Mailman at https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/558106. Read the entire comment thread to see all versions. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/steven.jones%40vuw.ac.nz -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why does iOS's Safari log out the moderator web page?
On 02/03/2014 05:53 PM, Peter Shute wrote: That makes sense. Is there any way around it? Is it possible to make it use persistent cookies? If you're willing to modify the code, see the MakeCookie function in Mailman/SecurityManager.py. You could replace the comment # We use session cookies, so don't set `expires' or `max-age' keys. by something like c[key]['Max-Age'] = 3600 * 24 * 5 to give the cookie a lifetime of 5 days. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Populating mailman lists out of AD or LDAP.
On 02/03/2014 06:13 PM, Steven Jones wrote: Thanks, I see there is a comment #10 on possible problems with 3000 users?, we want to do 2+. Is that possible? Comment #10 is over 7 years and several versions old. Also, the required Python LDAP module http://www.python-ldap.org/ has been updated many times since then. I suspect that the problem in the case of the author of comment #10 was timeouts in the LDAP query, but only testing will say for sure. If that's still an issue with large databases, there might be controls in the LDAP module that would help. See http://www.python-ldap.org/doc/html/index.html. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why does iOS's Safari log out the moderator web page?
On 4 Feb 2014, at 1:27 pm, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: On 02/03/2014 05:53 PM, Peter Shute wrote: That makes sense. Is there any way around it? Is it possible to make it use persistent cookies? If you're willing to modify the code, see the MakeCookie function in Mailman/SecurityManager.py. You could replace the comment # We use session cookies, so don't set `expires' or `max-age' keys. by something like c[key]['Max-Age'] = 3600 * 24 * 5 to give the cookie a lifetime of 5 days. I don't have access to do that, and I think it's probably too difficult for me anyway. I was hoping it was a configuration option that I could ask the administrator to try. Maybe I'll just pray that iOS 7.1 fixes it. Peter Shute -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
