Re: [Mailman-Users] Manually setting digest version and/or number and other questions

[George Kasica]

I actually found the method to use bin/withlist here so that's OK.

How does your script work exactly? Where do I find what I use for variables
and what they are now? Almost looks like config_list might be better.

Changes made but one question - on the web based Archives page I still see
an entry for the gzipp'd version but it now goes nowhere and throws a page
not found. How do I get rid of that:


Archive View by:Downloadable version
2014:   [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ]  [ Gzip'd Text 2 KB ]

The requested URL /pipermail/skunk-works/2014.txt.gz was not found on this
server.

George


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Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 7:14 PM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Manually setting digest version and/or number
and other questions

On 02/10/2014 04:29 PM, George Kasica wrote:
> I've got an existing list that I just moved to mailman and I'm seeing the
digests start over obviously at v1 n1. Is there any way to set those values
somehow so I don't end up duplicating things?


Use bin/withlist or bin/config_list or the script at
 to set the list's volume
attribute to the desired volume and the list's next_digest_number to the
desired number.


> Also related to that when a user lipoma at the archive by date, 
> thread, etc. all the mail is there. If he downloads the compressed file
he's telling me it only has about 4-5 messages. Haven't had time to
Investigate that one for sure yet but was curious what the archive process
is like. Is it run once a day or??


When the .txt.gz files are updated depends on the setting of
GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES (default = No) and the running by cron of Mailman's
cron/nightly_gzip.

If GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is set to yes in mm_cfg.py, the
archives/private/LISTNAME/.txt file will be gzipped with every list
post. This is very inefficient. Our official advice in Defaults.py is

# Set this to Yes to enable gzipping of the downloadable archive .txt file.
# Note that this is /extremely/ inefficient, so an alternative is to just #
collect the messages in the associated .txt file and run a cron job every #
night to generate the txt.gz file.  See cron/nightly_gzip for details.
GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES = No

My recommendation is to remove the cron/nightly_gzip entry from Mailman's
crontab, and remove all the archives/private/LISTNAME/.txt.gz files.
Then the archive index will link to the .txt files which are always up to
date. This actually saves space because the .txt.gz files are in addition to
the .txt files which are always there. The only possible saving with the .gz
files is in the serving of a smaller file from the web, but some web servers
will decompress the file before sending it anyway, and the saving if any is
minimal.


> Lastly is there a way to scrub either email or user name out of the
digest/archive process to prevent harvesting?


Why are digest's a concern more than posts?

The only control is ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS which only replaces '@' 
with ' at ' in the archives and which is Yes by default anyway.

If you or your users are really concerned about harvesting, a better
solution is to make the archive private so it is only accessible to list
members.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Manually setting digest version and/or number and other questions

[George Kasica]

Excellent info. Will go through this and make some changes.

Thanks!!


-Original Message-
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Mark Sapiro
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 7:14 PM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Manually setting digest version and/or number
and other questions

On 02/10/2014 04:29 PM, George Kasica wrote:
> I've got an existing list that I just moved to mailman and I'm seeing the
digests start over obviously at v1 n1. Is there any way to set those values
somehow so I don't end up duplicating things?


Use bin/withlist or bin/config_list or the script at
 to set the list's volume
attribute to the desired volume and the list's next_digest_number to the
desired number.


> Also related to that when a user lipoma at the archive by date, 
> thread, etc. all the mail is there. If he downloads the compressed file
he's telling me it only has about 4-5 messages. Haven't had time to
Investigate that one for sure yet but was curious what the archive process
is like. Is it run once a day or??


When the .txt.gz files are updated depends on the setting of
GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES (default = No) and the running by cron of Mailman's
cron/nightly_gzip.

If GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is set to yes in mm_cfg.py, the
archives/private/LISTNAME/.txt file will be gzipped with every list
post. This is very inefficient. Our official advice in Defaults.py is

# Set this to Yes to enable gzipping of the downloadable archive .txt file.
# Note that this is /extremely/ inefficient, so an alternative is to just #
collect the messages in the associated .txt file and run a cron job every #
night to generate the txt.gz file.  See cron/nightly_gzip for details.
GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES = No

My recommendation is to remove the cron/nightly_gzip entry from Mailman's
crontab, and remove all the archives/private/LISTNAME/.txt.gz files.
Then the archive index will link to the .txt files which are always up to
date. This actually saves space because the .txt.gz files are in addition to
the .txt files which are always there. The only possible saving with the .gz
files is in the serving of a smaller file from the web, but some web servers
will decompress the file before sending it anyway, and the saving if any is
minimal.


> Lastly is there a way to scrub either email or user name out of the
digest/archive process to prevent harvesting?


Why are digest's a concern more than posts?

The only control is ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS which only replaces '@' 
with ' at ' in the archives and which is Yes by default anyway.

If you or your users are really concerned about harvesting, a better
solution is to make the archive private so it is only accessible to list
members.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Manually setting digest version and/or number and other questions

[Mark Sapiro]

On 02/10/2014 04:29 PM, George Kasica wrote:

I've got an existing list that I just moved to mailman and I'm seeing the 
digests start over obviously at v1 n1. Is there any way to set those values 
somehow so I don't end up duplicating things?



Use bin/withlist or bin/config_list or the script at 
 to set the list's volume 
attribute to the desired volume and the list's next_digest_number to the 
desired number.




Also related to that when a user lipoma at the archive by date, thread, etc. 
all the mail is there. If he downloads the compressed file he's telling me it 
only has about 4-5 messages. Haven't had time to
Investigate that one for sure yet but was curious what the archive process is 
like. Is it run once a day or??



When the .txt.gz files are updated depends on the setting of 
GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES (default = No) and the running by cron of 
Mailman's cron/nightly_gzip.


If GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is set to yes in mm_cfg.py, the 
archives/private/LISTNAME/.txt file will be gzipped with every 
list post. This is very inefficient. Our official advice in Defaults.py is


# Set this to Yes to enable gzipping of the downloadable archive .txt file.
# Note that this is /extremely/ inefficient, so an alternative is to just
# collect the messages in the associated .txt file and run a cron job every
# night to generate the txt.gz file.  See cron/nightly_gzip for details.
GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES = No

My recommendation is to remove the cron/nightly_gzip entry from 
Mailman's crontab, and remove all the 
archives/private/LISTNAME/.txt.gz files. Then the archive index 
will link to the .txt files which are always up to date. This actually 
saves space because the .txt.gz files are in addition to the .txt files 
which are always there. The only possible saving with the .gz files is 
in the serving of a smaller file from the web, but some web servers will 
decompress the file before sending it anyway, and the saving if any is 
minimal.




Lastly is there a way to scrub either email or user name out of the 
digest/archive process to prevent harvesting?



Why are digest's a concern more than posts?

The only control is ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS which only replaces '@' 
with ' at ' in the archives and which is Yes by default anyway.


If you or your users are really concerned about harvesting, a better 
solution is to make the archive private so it is only accessible to list 
members.


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[Mailman-Users] Manually setting digest version and/or number and other questions

[George Kasica]

I've got an existing list that I just moved to mailman and I'm seeing the 
digests start over obviously at v1 n1. Is there any way to set those values 
somehow so I don't end up duplicating things?

Also related to that when a user lipoma at the archive by date, thread, etc. 
all the mail is there. If he downloads the compressed file he's telling me it 
only has about 4-5 messages. Haven't had time to
Investigate that one for sure yet but was curious what the archive process is 
like. Is it run once a day or?? 

Lastly is there a way to scrub either email or user name out of the 
digest/archive process to prevent harvesting?

Thanks again. Sorry for the dumb questions. 
George 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting both regular mail & Digest at same e-mail address

[George Kasica]

Interesting Idea - will need to investigate this

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Jim Popovitch
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 1:27 PM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting both regular mail & Digest at same
e-mail address

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> On 02/10/2014 10:18 AM, George Kasica wrote:
>>
>> Is there any way to get both the regular list mail AND the Digests at 
>> the same email address and if so how would I got about setting that 
>> up.looking for it on line has proved elusive.
>
>
> Short answer - No.
>
> For Mailman 2.1 at least, this requires two subscriptions which must 
> have distinct email addresses, however mail to these two addresses 
> might end up in the same mailbox, either via forwarding or multiple 
> names that deliver to the same host, e.g. m...@example.com and
m...@mail.example.com.

Another possibility is using an email address tag (aka Sub-Addressing, see
RFC 5233):

   gkasica+nor...@netwrx1.com
   gkasica+dig...@netwrx1.com

Most MTAs support this,

-Jim P.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting both regular mail & Digest at same e-mail address

[George Kasica]

OK. Suspected as much and as a possible work around but thought I'd ask for
the users that were wondering.

George


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Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 1:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting both regular mail & Digest at same
e-mail address

On 02/10/2014 10:18 AM, George Kasica wrote:
> 
> Is there any way to get both the regular list mail AND the Digests at 
> the same email address and if so how would I got about setting that 
> up.looking for it on line has proved elusive.


Short answer - No.

For Mailman 2.1 at least, this requires two subscriptions which must have
distinct email addresses, however mail to these two addresses might end up
in the same mailbox, either via forwarding or multiple names that deliver to
the same host, e.g. m...@example.com and m...@mail.example.com.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting both regular mail & Digest at same e-mail address

[Jim Popovitch]

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> On 02/10/2014 10:18 AM, George Kasica wrote:
>>
>> Is there any way to get both the regular list mail AND the Digests at the
>> same email address and if so how would I got about setting that up.looking
>> for it on line has proved elusive.
>
>
> Short answer - No.
>
> For Mailman 2.1 at least, this requires two subscriptions which must
> have distinct email addresses, however mail to these two addresses might
> end up in the same mailbox, either via forwarding or multiple names that
> deliver to the same host, e.g. m...@example.com and m...@mail.example.com.

Another possibility is using an email address tag (aka Sub-Addressing,
see RFC 5233):

   gkasica+nor...@netwrx1.com
   gkasica+dig...@netwrx1.com

Most MTAs support this,

-Jim P.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting both regular mail & Digest at same e-mail address

[Mark Sapiro]

On 02/10/2014 10:18 AM, George Kasica wrote:
> 
> Is there any way to get both the regular list mail AND the Digests at the
> same email address and if so how would I got about setting that up.looking
> for it on line has proved elusive.


Short answer - No.

For Mailman 2.1 at least, this requires two subscriptions which must
have distinct email addresses, however mail to these two addresses might
end up in the same mailbox, either via forwarding or multiple names that
deliver to the same host, e.g. m...@example.com and m...@mail.example.com.

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[Mailman-Users] Getting both regular mail & Digest at same e-mail address

[George Kasica]

Fast question:

 

Is there any way to get both the regular list mail AND the Digests at the
same email address and if so how would I got about setting that up.looking
for it on line has proved elusive.

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] missing mailman archive

[Mark Sapiro]

On 02/09/2014 04:49 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
> 
> For one domain only the mail isn't being archived. Attachments to mails
> are. I find this pretty weird and have looked around but to no avail -
> clicking through on the usual footer link on list mails leads correctly
> to a folder for attachments but no mail bodies.


What is the archive URL? Is it a public 'pipermail' link? If so, what is
Mailman's archives/public/LISTNAME for this list. It should be a symlink
to archives/private/LISTNAME. If it is a directory rather than a
symlink, remove it - Mailman will create the symlink as needed.

Otherwise, look at Mailman's logs, particularly 'error'. Also, there
should be an archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox file which is
a cumulative mbox containg the full archive, and an
archives/private/LISTNAME/ directory containing the html archives. Is
that all there? Is there a permissions issue? What does Mailman's
bin/check_perms say?

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[Mailman-Users] missing mailman archive

[Dave Stevens]

I've got a Centos install and used virtualmin to set up the mailman  
service - it was included in the default install and worked fine. The  
server hosts about ten domains, providing web pages and mail,  
including lists with mailman.


For one domain only the mail isn't being archived. Attachments to  
mails are. I find this pretty weird and have looked around but to no  
avail - clicking through on the usual footer link on list mails leads  
correctly to a folder for attachments but no mail bodies.


As far as I can see the options are specified correctly to archive  
mail, but it isn't happening.


I don't know where to look. Ideas?

Dave

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