Re: [Mailman-Users] bouncing process does not return messages on user unknown
On 06/03/2015 12:33 AM, Camelia Botez wrote: Thank you very much - indeed I checked and all the settings for bound process are OK. I checked also the maillog file for that particular mailing list and I saw different values for status: Stat : Service unavailable Stat : Deferred There are several external relay servers with verify=FAIL Or Recipient address rejected: Greylisted How mailman gets this status values ( as hard in bounce process ) , should it send back error messages to the owner / sender . I'm sorry to disturb you with my questions but I'm very confused - how the mailing list gets back the errors and in what cases. Mailman gets bounces in two ways. 1) If Mailman gets an SMTP recipient refused response to a recipient during its SMTP transaction, this is logged in Mailman's 'smtp-failure' log and a bounce recorded if the list is processing bounces. 2) For the kinds of things you are seeing in your MTA log, Mailman has sent the message with envelope from LISTNAME-bounces@list.domain, or if VERPed, from LISTNAME-bounces+recipient_user=users.domain@list.domain. The MTA will send a DSN to that address and assuming it is deliverable, Mailman will receive it and record a bounce if the list is processing bounces. In either case, a recorded bounce is logged in Mailman's bounce log and scored. The DSN itself is discarded after processing unless it results in a disable and bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is Yes in which case it is attached to the notice to the admin. Look at Mailman's 'bounce' log. If bounces are not being recorded, ensure that the list's Bounce processing - bounce_processing setting is Yes and that the LISTNAME-bounces address is deliverable (you should see the delivery of the DSN to Mailman in your MTA logs. Note that for messages which are 'Deferred', they have to time out in the MTA before Mailman receives an undeliverable notice. This typically takes up to 5 days depending on the MTA configuration. Greylisting is also a temporary failure in the MTA and normally the message will be retried and accepted upon retry. This is not a bounce. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Some pages are only partially translated - most still show part of page in English
On 06/03/2015 03:26 AM, Michael Lake wrote: Hi all Thanks Mark for your reply. I realise its all done by volunteers. Sorry I can't help on translations as I only know English, C, Fortran etc :-) Im confused though as according to the link below many languages are fully translated. But if I select what ever language its always the same section that remains untranslated e.g. I get You may enter a privacy password below. etc ... in English. Surely that phrase has been translated. If I pick Japanese which has been nearly fully translated I still get in the Subscribing section most of the text in English. Just the button label is translated. https://translations.launchpad.net/mailman/2.1/+pots/mailman First of all, the page you refer to was part of a project that was started by a woman who subsequently had health issues and ultimately died. What is there is based on message catalogs imported from Mailman at some point and probably never updated since. There have been many Mailman updates since then that affect translations, and some translations have been partially or completely updated since following guidelines/procedures at http://wiki.list.org/DEV/i18nhowto. None of this is reflected at the translations.launchpad.net site. Furthermore, the phrase You may enter a privacy password below. etc ... is not in a string in the message catalog. It is in the listinfo.html template. Every one of the 38 partially or fully supported translations contains this translated template and none of them appear to contain that phrase in English. I suspect the issue in your case is that the templates for the various translations are not installed on your server, so Mailman falls back to the English template (the button labels are dynamic and do come from the message catalog, but the bulk of the page comes from the template). Does your Mailman installation have 39 'lc' subdirectories in (I think in Debian) /usr/lib/mailman/templates/ or does it just have /usr/lib/mailman/templates/en/. Also, how about /usr/lib/mailman/messages/ (there normally is not an 'en' here)? If I'm not mistaken, the Debian Mailman install process requires you to specify the languages you want to support at install time. Try dpkg-reconfigure mailman -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] debian jessie - apache2.4.
On 05/29/2015 02:42 AM, Mustafa Akgul wrote: I have debian jessie running apache2 2.4.10-10 , mailman 1:2.1.18-2 and postfix 2.11.3-1 I have difficulty i mailman-apache interface. I was running on debian7 and apache2.2 nicely. I took mailman, apache.conf, modified allow,deny setting http://filiz.inet-tr.org.tr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo ask what to do with listinfo http://filiz.inet-tr.org.tr/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/edu-net I got The requested URL /cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/edu-net was not found on this server As of now, both URLs work for me. Do you still have an issue or did you solve it? I have solved it. mod.cgi was missing. After enabling it, it works fine Thanks Mustafa Akgul mailman.conf in apache sites-enabled is: ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/mailman/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/ Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ Alias /images/mailman/ /usr/share/images/mailman/ Directory /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/ AllowOverride None Options ExecCGI #AddHandler cgi-script .cgi Require all granted /Directory Directory /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ Options FollowSymlinks AllowOverride None Require all granted /Directory Directory /usr/share/images/mailman/ AllowOverride None Require all granted /Directory VirtualHost *:80 ServerName liste.inet-tr.org.tr ServerAlias filiz.inet-tr.org.tr DocumentRoot /var/www/web ErrorLog /var/log/apache2/liste-error.log CustomLog /var/log/apache2/liste-access.log combined Directory /var/lib/mailman/archives/ Options FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None /Directory Any suggestion ? Looks OK and seems to work. If you still have an issue, I don't know what it would be. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/akgul%40bilkent.edu.tr -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] bouncing process does not return messages on user unknown
Thank you very much - indeed I checked and all the settings for bound process are OK. I checked also the maillog file for that particular mailing list and I saw different values for status: Stat : Service unavailable Stat : Deferred There are several external relay servers with verify=FAIL Or Recipient address rejected: Greylisted How mailman gets this status values ( as hard in bounce process ) , should it send back error messages to the owner / sender . I'm sorry to disturb you with my questions but I'm very confused - how the mailing list gets back the errors and in what cases. Again thank you -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+camelia.botez=weizmann.ac...@python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 6:02 AM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] bouncing process does not return messages on user unknown On 06/02/2015 04:50 AM, Camelia Botez wrote: We run mailman-2.1.17 on rhel6 platform. I have a list containing some unknown users. When a messages is sent to this list , none of the administrators gets back a message of unknown user . The bounce does not send back the status of the message ( diferred , unknown user etc). How can I fix this? See the list's web admin Bounce processing page. Also see Mailman's 'bounce' log. Bounces are returned to Mailman. If the list's bounce_processing setting is No, they are ignored. If Yes, they are handled according to the remaining settings. List owners are not notified until a members bounce score reaches bounce_score_threshold and the member's delivery is disabled, and then only if bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is Yes Beginning in 2.1.19, a list admin can request notification any time a member's score is incremented. These admin notices contain a copy of the triggering bounce. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/camelia.botez%40weizmann.ac.il -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] View the Private mail lists from UI
On Jun 2, 2015, at 21:53 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: I suppose there could be an authentication requiring the site password (for various reasons, it couldn't be a list admin password) on the admin and listinfo overview pages to see 'all' lists, but there is not such a feature. Although my Mailman install is is currently part of CPanel, so I don't need such a feature, it does seem like it would be useful. Does this sort of functionality exist in Mailman 3? -- Matthew Needham mneed...@hdfgroup.org 217-531-6110 The HDF Group 1800 South Oak Street, Suite 203 Champaign, IL 61820 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] View the Private mail lists from UI
On Tue, Jun 02, 2015 at 07:53:46PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: I suppose there could be an authentication requiring the site password (for various reasons, it couldn't be a list admin password) on the admin and listinfo overview pages to see 'all' lists, but there is not such a feature. If you have sufficient access to the server, you could create your own web page to display the results of list_lists. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/4030648 for info on doing these kinds of things. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-June/069783.html (from the archives) is quite a nice approach, too. -- Of course we are not patronising women. We are just going to explain to them, in words of one syllable, what it is all about. -- Olga Maitland -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Some pages are only partially translated - most still show part of page in English
Hi On 06/04/2015 06:16 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 06/03/2015 03:26 AM, Michael Lake wrote: Hi all Thanks Mark for your reply. I realise its all done by volunteers. Sorry I can't help on translations as I only know English, C, Fortran etc :-) Im confused though as according to the link below many languages are fully translated. But if I select what ever language its always the same section that remains untranslated e.g. I get You may enter a privacy password below. etc ... in English. Surely that phrase has been translated. If I pick Japanese which has been nearly fully translated I still get in the Subscribing section most of the text in English. Just the button label is translated. https://translations.launchpad.net/mailman/2.1/+pots/mailman First of all, the page you refer to was part of a project that was started by a woman who subsequently had health issues and ultimately died. What is there is based on message catalogs imported from Mailman at some point and probably never updated since. There have been many Mailman updates since then that affect translations, and some translations have been partially or completely updated since following guidelines/procedures at http://wiki.list.org/DEV/i18nhowto. None of this is reflected at the translations.launchpad.net site. Thanks, now I understand. Furthermore, the phrase You may enter a privacy password below. etc ... is not in a string in the message catalog. It is in the listinfo.html template. Every one of the 38 partially or fully supported translations contains this translated template and none of them appear to contain that phrase in English. I suspect the issue in your case is that the templates for the various translations are not installed on your server, so Mailman falls back to the English template (the button labels are dynamic and do come from the message catalog, but the bulk of the page comes from the template). Does your Mailman installation have 39 'lc' subdirectories in (I think in Debian) /usr/lib/mailman/templates/ or does it just have /usr/lib/mailman/templates/en/. Just en under /var/lib/mailman/templates/ No lc dirs. Also, how about /usr/lib/mailman/messages/ (there normally is not an 'en' here)? Lots of language directories from ar to zh under /var/lib/mailman/messages/ No en directory. If I'm not mistaken, the Debian Mailman install process requires you to specify the languages you want to support at install time. Try dpkg-reconfigure mailman Just did that and I selected all the langs that I wanted to support and it installed an additional few dozen languages. I had misunderstood that that initial setting was the languages you wanted *supported* and the next question after that is the default language that you required. Now selecting other languages show the whole page (except for the list description of course) fully translated :-) So doing the dpkg-reconfigure mailman solved my problem. Very much appreciated. Now the overseas users won't have to read Australian all the time :-) Thanks for your help Mark Mike -- Michael Lake UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views of the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. Think. Green. Do. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
