[Mailman-Users] has anyone built a package (or bundle) for Mailman 3 on Ubuntu?

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Ricardo Kleemann writes:

 > I wanted to give it a try. I understand it requires multiple
 > packages to get it working, and wondering if there's already
 > anywhere I can point to to install via apt-get.

Not that has been announced on this list, and it seems unlikely.

Mailman 3.0 is a source release only.  There's a volunteer to produce
a Debian package, targeting release of 3.1 in a few months (we hope).
For us, that will also be a source-only release, which is the
traditional practice in any case.  I suppose that with improvements in
the Python package distribution system, Mailman might eventually move
toward releases of the various components as wheels.

Further discussion should be directed to the developers' list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple "Re:" in subject

[Mark Sapiro]

On 09/15/2015 07:17 PM, Camille Ollié wrote:

> 
> i don't have this issue with Sympa on postfix and ezmlm on Qmail on
> other mailing lists.
> 
> Here is an example : [Bar] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
> Re: Re: Re: IMP tice
> 
> Even with thunderbird i have the issue.


(Including list in reply)

Well, judging by the subject in your reply to me, your MUA does the
right thing, with Subjects that begin with Re:

But there are other issues here. The example above is from a list at a
site which has configured

OLD_STYLE_PREFIXING = No

So that Mailman puts the subject_prefix ([Bar]) at the beginning of the
Subject: so a list post will be distributed with a Subject: like

Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Multiple "Re:" in subject

rather than

Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple "Re:" in subject

With this subject, a replying MUA probably creates the subject like

Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Multiple "Re:" in subject

but Mailman has logic in the subject prefixing code to remove redundant
Re:, Aw:, Sv: and Vs: from the beginning of the subject in this case so
Subject: headers with multiple Re: such as your example should not be
occurring, however there appears a bug in that code. It will remove all
the redundant Re:s from

Subject: Re: [Bar] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IMP tice

but not from

Subject: [Bar] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IMP tice

I will fix it.

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[Mailman-Users] has anyone built a package (or bundle) for Mailman 3 on Ubuntu?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

I wanted to give it a try. I understand it requires multiple packages to
get it working, and wondering if there's already anywhere I can point to to
install via apt-get.

thanks
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?"

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Mark Sapiro writes:

 > Mailman's bin/check_perms is the safer way to fix ownership and
 > permissions.

Oops, yeah, that's the simplest way to get things consistent.  Thanks
for the followup!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Blocking or holding subscribe requests when email address contains "+"

[Mark Sapiro]

On September 15, 2015 9:33:35 AM PDT, David Gibbs  wrote:

>Unfortunately, Mailman sends out the confirmation email before
>requiring approval.  I want to stop (or hold) the subscription request
>before the confirmation message goes out.
>
>Maybe I have to look into a captcha integration?


Recent Mailman has a SUBSCRIBE_FORM_SECRET setting which helps but doesn't stop 
them all.

Because of these, there is now a GLOBAL_BAN_LIST, but that isn't released yet.

You want a regexp in the ban_list for each list. For the python.org lists we use

^.*\+.*\d{3,}@

I.e., + followed by anything followed by at least 3 digits followed by @.

This has been effective so far.

The bots are doing web subscribe so there's no backscatter from this.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Blocking or holding subscribe requests when email address contains "+"

[David Gibbs]

On 9/15/2015 1:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

Unfortunately, Mailman sends out the confirmation email before
requiring approval.  I want to stop (or hold) the subscription
request before the confirmation message goes out.



You want a regexp in the ban_list for each list. For the python.org
lists we use

^.*\+.*\d{3,}@

I.e., + followed by anything followed by at least 3 digits followed
by @.


THANK YOU!  This is exactly the solution I was looking for.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3.0 + Qmail support

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Mark Sapiro writes:
 > On 09/14/2015 12:31 PM, fsanti...@deviltracks.net wrote:
 > > Hello,
 > > 
 > > Any plans to support qmail with Mailman 3.0+ ?
 > 
 > Questions about Mailman 3 and particularly Postorius and Hyperkitty are
 > better posted to the mailman-develop...@python.org list

ML Meta: Now that Mailman 3 has been released, I think we're just going
to have to deal with "what can Mailman 3 do?" questions on this list.

There are no *plans* to support Qmail: none of the Mailman developers
use it.

I would imagine there will be no support in Mailman 3.0, since it's
already been released.  I think it very unlikely that there will be
support in Mailman 3.1, since noone has stepped forward to offer it
yet, and we're hoping to release Mailman 3.1 on a time scale of
months.

 > That said, we would gladly accept a contribution.

+0.5, or +1 if it comes with expectation of continued support from the
contributor for a couple of years.  Please do discuss contributions on
the developers' list.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?"

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On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull
 wrote:
> Tom Browder writes:
>
>  > The installation instructions are a little confusing, but I take away
>  > from them the best (almost default) choice for owner:group for the
>  > "/usr/local/mailman" ($prefix) directory is 'mailman'.
>
> It doesn't matter what the name is.  You may wish to use a predefined
...
> Bottom line: If I were you, I'd make sure that the mailman group and
> user are set up properly, and then do "chown root:mailman

Steve, thanks for some good info, but no 'chown -R'?

Best,

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[Mailman-Users] Blocking or holding subscribe requests when email address contains "+"

[Gibbs, David]

Folks:

I'm looking for a way to block, or preferably hold for approval, subscribe 
requests where the email address contains a plus sign.

I've been getting a lot of subscribe requests from bogus email addresses that 
look like: adfslij+32987...@gmail.com.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Blocking or holding subscribe requests when email address contains "+"

[David Gibbs]

On 9/15/2015 11:31 AM, Richard Damon wrote:

The only thing I can think of is to require approval of all
subscriptions (and maybe confirmation) and then build a regexp to
auto approve all addresses without a + in them. I don't know how this
will interact with the ban list (if you need that).


Unfortunately, Mailman sends out the confirmation email before requiring 
approval.  I want to stop (or hold) the subscription request before the 
confirmation message goes out.

Maybe I have to look into a captcha integration?

david


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?"

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On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> On 09/15/2015 07:25 AM, Tom Browder wrote:
>> The installation instructions are a little confusing, but I take away
>> from them the best (almost default) choice for owner:group for the
>> "/usr/local/mailman" ($prefix) directory is 'mailman'.
...
> --with-groupname option to configure). The owner is not critical. It is
> usually also 'mailman' (or whatever name you configured via the
> --with-username option to configure), but it really can be anything.

Thanks so much, Mark!

Best,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple "Re:" in subject

[Mark Sapiro]

On 09/15/2015 06:50 AM, Camille Ollié wrote:
> 
> i've installed Mailman3 on my Debian server.
> 
> It works fine but i have a little problem : all replied messages have
> more "Re:" in Subject and i've not found where to control/remove it.


This reply will have Re: in the subject. I don't think Mailman will try
to remove either my Re: or your original "Re:", but it may. so my
subject as sent will be:

Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple "Re:" in subject

And I think it will go to the list that way.

The issue is someone else may reply to my reply and her MUA (mail
client) may create a subject

Subject: Re: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple "Re:" in subject

This is strictly an issue with her MUA and depends on the MUA she uses.

Mailman does make some modifications to the Subject: header involved
with prefixing (adding [Mailman-Users] in this case), and those
modifications also attempt to collapse multiple Re: but they aren't
perfect, and the algorithm varies depending on site settings and whether
or not the list is set up for numbering in subject_prefix.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Blocking or holding subscribe requests when email address contains "+"

[Richard Damon]

The only thing I can think of is to require approval of all subscriptions (and 
maybe confirmation) and then build a regexp to auto approve all addresses 
without a + in them. I don't know how this will interact with the ban list (if 
you need that).



> On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Gibbs, David  wrote:
> 
> Folks:
> 
> I'm looking for a way to block, or preferably hold for approval, subscribe 
> requests where the email address contains a plus sign.
> 
> I've been getting a lot of subscribe requests from bogus email addresses that 
> look like: adfslij+32987...@gmail.com.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> david
> 
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> 
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[Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?"

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Tom Browder writes:

 > The installation instructions are a little confusing, but I take away
 > from them the best (almost default) choice for owner:group for the
 > "/usr/local/mailman" ($prefix) directory is 'mailman'.

It doesn't matter what the name is.  You may wish to use a predefined
name provided by the OS distribution (for example, Debian uses "list",
not "mailman").

AFAIK there is no particular need to have the owner of Mailman code or
data be the mailman user.  For example, on Debian systems root is the
owner of all the executables mentioned below, as well as most of the
data directories.  The important thing about the mailman user is that
it is a member of the mailman group (typically the only member of that
group).

It is important that the cgi-bin executables be setgid and have the
mailman group, that scripts/mailman have the mailman group, and that
the Mailman writable data (archives, data, lists, messages, qfiles,
spam) have the mailman group.

It also does matter that the user and group have privileges only in
Mailman file hierarchies, that there be no other members of the group
(except possibly an admin's account, but I consider that an
unnecessary risk) and that the name be used appropriately in any
application that setuids or setgids to manipulate Mailman data (ISTR
there may be some MTA that does).

Bottom line: If I were you, I'd make sure that the mailman group and
user are set up properly, and then do "chown root:mailman
/usr/local/mailman" (root because I suppose Debian has a reason for
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?"

[Mark Sapiro]

On September 15, 2015 9:45:27 AM PDT, Tom Browder  wrote:
>On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull
> wrote:

>> Bottom line: If I were you, I'd make sure that the mailman group and
>> user are set up properly, and then do "chown root:mailman
>
>Steve, thanks for some good info, but no 'chown -R'?


If you have Mailman-Postfix  integration, you don't want to set the owner of 
Mailman's data/aliases.db to root.

Mailman's bin/check_perms is the safer way to fix ownership and permissions.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?"

[Mark Sapiro]

On 09/15/2015 07:25 AM, Tom Browder wrote:
> The installation instructions are a little confusing, but I take away
> from them the best (almost default) choice for owner:group for the
> "/usr/local/mailman" ($prefix) directory is 'mailman'.


The group must be 'mailman' (or whatever name you configured via the
--with-groupname option to configure). The owner is not critical. It is
usually also 'mailman' (or whatever name you configured via the
--with-username option to configure), but it really can be anything.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?"

[Tom Browder]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
...
> If you have Mailman-Postfix  integration, you don't want to set the owner of 
> Mailman's data/aliases.db to root.
>
> Mailman's bin/check_perms is the safer way to fix ownership and permissions.

Ah I forgot about that.  Thanks, Mark.

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[Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?"

[Tom Browder]

The installation instructions are a little confusing, but I take away
from them the best (almost default) choice for owner:group for the
"/usr/local/mailman" ($prefix) directory is 'mailman'.

Any other opinions or recommendations?

Thanks.

Best regards,

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[Mailman-Users] Multiple "Re:" in subject

[Camille Ollié]

Hi,

i've installed Mailman3 on my Debian server.

It works fine but i have a little problem : all replied messages have 
more "Re:" in Subject and i've not found where to control/remove it.


Any idea ?

Regards.

PS : google not helped me.
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