Re: [Mailman-Users] Google not delivering E-Mail from an mailling list...

2016-11-22 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 11/22/2016 05:04 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> 
> I know, but Google generally is not really telling and does not really have 
> much in the way of customer support.  *I* don't use Google, but I figured 
> someone here might have had this problem and might know how to troubleshoot 
> it.


I feel your pain, but I can't help. I have seen the issue, but I just
suggest checking spam which often works. If not, I just refer people to
Google. Richard has suggested places other than 'spam' where the
messages might be going. Possibly others have other insights.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] my messages not appearing on the digest or single messages

2016-11-22 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 11/22/2016 04:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 11/22/16 5:32 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:
>> Hi. subscribe to a list called chat-requ...@list.ntxability.org, when
>> I send
>> my messae and get a digest or individual messages, I do not see my
>> message.
>>
> is the list name really 'chat-request' or could it be just 'chat'.


I think Richard has the answer. According to
 there is a
c...@list.ntxability.org list, but no chat-requ...@list.ntxability.org.

If you are posting to chat-requ...@list.ntxability.org, your 'posts' are
probably just being discarded as email requests that contain no commands.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Google not delivering E-Mail from an mailling list...

2016-11-22 Thread Robert Heller 
At Tue, 22 Nov 2016 16:00:45 -0800 Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> 
> On 11/22/2016 03:31 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > I have a subscriber of a Mailman email list that is NOT getting mail sent 
> > to 
> > the list.  My MTA (Postfix under CentOS 6) is logging that the mail is 
> > being 
> > sent to Google's inbound MTA:
> > ...
> > but the mail is not getting to the subscriber -- it is not showing up in her
> > inbox. What should this user do? Is there some sort of setting or something
> > that this subscriber needs to do with her gmail account? The subscriber is 
> > not
> > a techie and probably needs help dealing with Google's weirdnesses.
> 
> 
> Is it all list posts she doesn't receive or only her own. If it's only
> her own, see .

She hasn't posted anything.  She also did not receive the E-Mail confirmation 
message -- I ended up adding her manually ("Bulk Subscribtions").

> 
> If she doesn't receive other list posts, has she looked in her spam
> folder? Do other gmail users receive the posts?

It is not in her spam folder.  I believe other gmail users are receiving posts 
(I have not received any complaints).

> 
> If she finds posts in spam, she should go to her gmail settings (in the
> gmail web UI, click the 'gear' icon and then 'settings')
> 
> Then on the 'inbox' tab select 'Filtered mail: -> Override filters' and
> on the 'Filters and Blocked Addresses' tab make sure there are no list
> related addresses in 'blocked addresses'.
> 
> The old standby of adding 'wendell-townsfolk-boun...@deepsoft.com' to
> her gmail address book may help.
> 
> Bottom line is this is a Google issue. We can guess and suggest, but
> only Google actually knows.

I know, but Google generally is not really telling and does not really have 
much in the way of customer support.  *I* don't use Google, but I figured 
someone here might have had this problem and might know how to troubleshoot 
it.

> 
> Also, if no gmail users get list mail, see
> .
> 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] my messages not appearing on the digest or single messages

2016-11-22 Thread Richard Damon 

On 11/22/16 5:32 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

Hi. subscribe to a list called chat-requ...@list.ntxability.org, when I send
my messae and get a digest or individual messages, I do not see my message.
So any ideas. Have contacted the owner, joe Hudson, but he says that having
a copy of my own message is enabled. Any ideas.

Marvin.

  


Marvin Hunkin

Blind Information Technology Student

   http://www.upskilled.edu.au

is the list name really 'chat-request' or could it be just 'chat'. Lists 
has auxiliary email addresses for special operations, based on the list 
name and and added suffix, one of which is -request, which allows you to 
manipulate your email subscription via email (including the initial 
subscription).


How did you subscribe to this list?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Google not delivering E-Mail from an mailling list...

2016-11-22 Thread Richard Damon 

On 11/22/16 6:31 PM, Robert Heller wrote:

I have a subscriber of a Mailman email list that is NOT getting mail sent to
the list.  My MTA (Postfix under CentOS 6) is logging that the mail is being
sent to Google's inbound MTA:

Nov 22 17:00:23 sharky3 postfix/smtpd[2459]: 71357732494: client=localhost[::1]
Nov 22 17:00:24 sharky3 postfix/cleanup[2453]: 71357732494: 
message-id=
Nov 22 17:00:25 sharky3 opendkim[755]: 71357732494: DKIM-Signature field added 
(s=deepsoft.com, d=deepsoft.com)
Nov 22 17:00:25 sharky3 postfix/qmgr[1926]: 71357732494: 
from=, size=4165, nrcpt=216 (queue 
active)
...
Nov 22 17:01:02 sharky3 postfix/smtp[3083]: 71357732494: to=, 
relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.196.26]:25, delay=39, delays=2/1.3/35/0.63, 
dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1479852062 b19si6789198ybg.241 - gsmtp)
...

but the mail is not getting to the subscriber -- it is not showing up in her
inbox. What should this user do? Is there some sort of setting or something
that this subscriber needs to do with her gmail account? The subscriber is not
a techie and probably needs help dealing with Google's weirdnesses.

One issue I sometimes see with GMail is that list messages get placed in 
one of the 'alternate' inboxes (like social or forum).



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[Mailman-Users] my messages not appearing on the digest or single messages

2016-11-22 Thread Marvin Hunkin 
Hi. subscribe to a list called chat-requ...@list.ntxability.org, when I send
my messae and get a digest or individual messages, I do not see my message.
So any ideas. Have contacted the owner, joe Hudson, but he says that having
a copy of my own message is enabled. Any ideas.

Marvin.

 

Marvin Hunkin

Blind Information Technology Student

  http://www.upskilled.edu.au

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] list_members when listname has a period

2016-11-22 Thread Mark Dale 

Thanks Mark and Steve.

It is indeed as you said - the real listname was not the advertised 
listname.


The list has now been moved, named as it should be, and all is well.

Regards,
Mark





On 22/11/16 13:12, Mark Sapiro wrote:



$PATH/bin/list_members -f acme_widgets (works fine)

$PATH/bin/list_members -f acme.widgets (gets ignored)

Any clues from anyone would be greatly appreciated.



I just verified that it works for me.

As Steve suggests, if this is cPanel or possibly some other virtual
hosting patched Mailman, the name may include a domain.

I.e., if it's cPanel, the listname could be something like
acme.widgets_virt.domain.

What is the contents if the $PATH/lists/ directory?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Google not delivering E-Mail from an mailling list...

2016-11-22 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 11/22/2016 03:31 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> I have a subscriber of a Mailman email list that is NOT getting mail sent to 
> the list.  My MTA (Postfix under CentOS 6) is logging that the mail is being 
> sent to Google's inbound MTA:
> ...
> but the mail is not getting to the subscriber -- it is not showing up in her
> inbox. What should this user do? Is there some sort of setting or something
> that this subscriber needs to do with her gmail account? The subscriber is not
> a techie and probably needs help dealing with Google's weirdnesses.


Is it all list posts she doesn't receive or only her own. If it's only
her own, see .

If she doesn't receive other list posts, has she looked in her spam
folder? Do other gmail users receive the posts?

If she finds posts in spam, she should go to her gmail settings (in the
gmail web UI, click the 'gear' icon and then 'settings')

Then on the 'inbox' tab select 'Filtered mail: -> Override filters' and
on the 'Filters and Blocked Addresses' tab make sure there are no list
related addresses in 'blocked addresses'.

The old standby of adding 'wendell-townsfolk-boun...@deepsoft.com' to
her gmail address book may help.

Bottom line is this is a Google issue. We can guess and suggest, but
only Google actually knows.

Also, if no gmail users get list mail, see
.

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[Mailman-Users] Google not delivering E-Mail from an mailling list...

2016-11-22 Thread Robert Heller 
I have a subscriber of a Mailman email list that is NOT getting mail sent to 
the list.  My MTA (Postfix under CentOS 6) is logging that the mail is being 
sent to Google's inbound MTA:

Nov 22 17:00:23 sharky3 postfix/smtpd[2459]: 71357732494: client=localhost[::1]
Nov 22 17:00:24 sharky3 postfix/cleanup[2453]: 71357732494: 
message-id=
Nov 22 17:00:25 sharky3 opendkim[755]: 71357732494: DKIM-Signature field added 
(s=deepsoft.com, d=deepsoft.com)
Nov 22 17:00:25 sharky3 postfix/qmgr[1926]: 71357732494: 
from=, size=4165, nrcpt=216 (queue 
active)
...
Nov 22 17:01:02 sharky3 postfix/smtp[3083]: 71357732494: to=, 
relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.196.26]:25, delay=39, 
delays=2/1.3/35/0.63, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1479852062 
b19si6789198ybg.241 - gsmtp)
...

but the mail is not getting to the subscriber -- it is not showing up in her
inbox. What should this user do? Is there some sort of setting or something
that this subscriber needs to do with her gmail account? The subscriber is not
a techie and probably needs help dealing with Google's weirdnesses.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop bounces emails

2016-11-22 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 11/21/2016 06:26 PM, Leon wrote:
> Hi, everyone. Subscribers in mailing list always get bounces emails like
> "the results of your email commands". How do I stop mailman sending out
> them?


First question. Is this regarding Mailman 2.1 or Mailman 3? (I ask
because you recently posted a MM3 issue to mailman-developers.) This
list is primarily for Mailman 2.1 user's issues. If your issue relates
to Mailman 3, a more appropriate list is mailman-us...@mailman3.org
.

Please use that list for Mailman 3 user's issues.

As to your question. Are these messages responses to a message that the
subscribers send to the list-request address (or other list-* addresses)
or are they responses to spam that is sent to the list-request address
spoofing the subscriber as From:?

If the former and this is Mailman 3, there are known issues with
redundant responses from list-request. See


If the latter, the way to stop this is with effective spam filtering at
the incoming MTA before the messages ever get to Mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop bounces emails

2016-11-22 Thread willi uebelherr 

On 21/11/2016 23:26, Leon wrote:

Hi, everyone. Subscribers in mailing list always get bounces emails like
"the results of your email commands". How do I stop mailman sending out
them?

Thank you.


Dear Leon,
i am not a expert. But "bounced mail" are mails, that can't transmit to 
the receiver. But in your example, the receiver take the mails.


Mostly, with my experience, this answers comes from mails that are send 
also to lists and groups, where the sender of the mail is not 
subscribed. But this is a problem of the sender (reponse to all) and not 
of mailman.


I am also waiting for an answer of our experts.

many greetings, willi


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[Mailman-Users] How to stop bounces emails

2016-11-22 Thread Leon 
Hi, everyone. Subscribers in mailing list always get bounces emails like
"the results of your email commands". How do I stop mailman sending out
them?

Thank you.

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