Re: [Mailman-Users] bounces SMTP error 554

2017-04-22 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 04/22/2017 09:08 PM, Jim Dory wrote:
> I do have control over gandalf - a VPS server (so that much, at least). Not
> sure how I would obtain an "actual raw message" other than what I received
> from the sender as a subscriber myself. 


The entire raw message you received from the list would be fine. It
appears that you are using googlemail. If this is the case, if you are
viewing the message, click the downward triangle "more" icon next to the
"reply" icon near the upper right (not the one in the toolbar above
that) and select "show original". That text is what I'd like to see in
its entirety and without being folded or wrapped.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounces SMTP error 554

2017-04-22 Thread Jim Dory 
I do have control over gandalf - a VPS server (so that much, at least). Not
sure how I would obtain an "actual raw message" other than what I received
from the sender as a subscriber myself. The server uses Exim and is a
CPanel installation.

Seems like I get these bounces a couple a day and so far not often enough
increment to suspend the guys that these are bounced from.

thanks for your help!  /jim

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 7:47 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 04/22/2017 07:30 PM, Jim Dory wrote:
> > I have a couple members of our list whose remote mail servers reject some
> > of our messages because of what appears to be text formatting in the
> > messages. Usually MS Office formatting. I get a bounce back ala:
> >
> > "host mtaonline.net.mx1.greymail.rcimx.net [208.80.206.74]
> > SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
> > 554 Failed: Malformed MIME field: X-Ham-Report:
> > Spam detection software, running on the system "
> > gandalf.nomekennelclub.com", has NOT identified this incoming email as
> > spam.  The original message has been attached to this so you can view it
> or
> > label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
> root\@localhost
> > for details.  Content preview:
> >  blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important;
> > border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important;
> > background-color:white!important; } 3 topping 19 inch pizza$20.00 2
> > chicken fajitas and a sala [0xC2] ..."
>
>
> It looks to me that the issue causing the bounce is not the content of
> the message body, but rather it is that spam detection software running
> in some MTA in the delivery chain is adding the headers something like
>
> X-Ham-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system
>  "gandalf.nomekennelclub.com", has NOT identified this incoming email as
>  spam.  The original message has been attached to this so you can view
>  it or label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
>  root\@localhost for details.
> Content preview: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0
>  !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex
>  !important; background-color:white!important; } 3 topping 19 inch
>  pizza$20.00 2 chicken fajitas and a sala [0xC2] ..."
>
> to the message and the added headers are either non-compliant because
> they are too long or not properly folded or contain non-ascii characters.
>
> It may be that whatever doing this is rendering the HTML body for the
> Content preview: and turning the   html entities into utf-8 0xC2
> 0xA0 which is the two-byte utf-8 representation of the "no break space",
> but if it is putting those bytes (represented perhaps as "[0xC2] ...")
> into a Content preview: header, that is definitely a problem and
> something at gandalf.nomekennelclub.com is not doing the right thing.
>
>
> > In googling, it seems I found others have problems with the [OxC2] type
> > formatting as well. Just curious if there's much I can do about it or
> just
> > ignore these bounces.
>
>
> If you don't control gandalf.nomekennelclub.com, there's probably not
> much you can do beyond ignoring the bounces if they're infrequent enough
> that user's delivery isn't being disabled (or raise
> bounce_score_threshold if necessary)
>
>
> > Here's the original source of that particular message:
> >
> > Sent from My iPhone
> > 7=C2=A0 --=_Part_2280092_117074804.1492908307810 Content-Type:
>
>
> It's hard to tell a lot from this without seeing the actual raw message
> without it's being wrapped, folded, whatever by your MUA. Note that the
> initial "7=C2=A0 " part looks like a quoted-printable encoding,
> presumably from the text/plain alternative part that corresponds to the
> "7  " at the end of the html alternative part below.
>
>
> > text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
> > xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office">
> >  blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted {
> margin-left:
> > 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex
> > !important; background-color:white !important; } 3 topping 19
> inch
> > pizza$20.002 chicken fajitas and a
> > salad $12.00Bacon cheese
> > burger $10.00Nome
> > Nachos $12.00443-
> 7992Sent
> > from My iPhone 7  
> > --=_Part_2280092_117074804.1492908307810--
> > --===6170515499548786613== Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > Content-Disposition: inline
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounces SMTP error 554

2017-04-22 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 04/22/2017 07:30 PM, Jim Dory wrote:
> I have a couple members of our list whose remote mail servers reject some
> of our messages because of what appears to be text formatting in the
> messages. Usually MS Office formatting. I get a bounce back ala:
> 
> "host mtaonline.net.mx1.greymail.rcimx.net [208.80.206.74]
> SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
> 554 Failed: Malformed MIME field: X-Ham-Report:
> Spam detection software, running on the system "
> gandalf.nomekennelclub.com", has NOT identified this incoming email as
> spam.  The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or
> label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see root\@localhost
> for details.  Content preview:
>  blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important;
> border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important;
> background-color:white!important; } 3 topping 19 inch pizza$20.00 2
> chicken fajitas and a sala [0xC2] ..."


It looks to me that the issue causing the bounce is not the content of
the message body, but rather it is that spam detection software running
in some MTA in the delivery chain is adding the headers something like

X-Ham-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system
 "gandalf.nomekennelclub.com", has NOT identified this incoming email as
 spam.  The original message has been attached to this so you can view
 it or label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
 root\@localhost for details.
Content preview: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0
 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex
 !important; background-color:white!important; } 3 topping 19 inch
 pizza$20.00 2 chicken fajitas and a sala [0xC2] ..."

to the message and the added headers are either non-compliant because
they are too long or not properly folded or contain non-ascii characters.

It may be that whatever doing this is rendering the HTML body for the
Content preview: and turning the   html entities into utf-8 0xC2
0xA0 which is the two-byte utf-8 representation of the "no break space",
but if it is putting those bytes (represented perhaps as "[0xC2] ...")
into a Content preview: header, that is definitely a problem and
something at gandalf.nomekennelclub.com is not doing the right thing.


> In googling, it seems I found others have problems with the [OxC2] type
> formatting as well. Just curious if there's much I can do about it or just
> ignore these bounces.


If you don't control gandalf.nomekennelclub.com, there's probably not
much you can do beyond ignoring the bounces if they're infrequent enough
that user's delivery isn't being disabled (or raise
bounce_score_threshold if necessary)


> Here's the original source of that particular message:
> 
> Sent from My iPhone
> 7=C2=A0 --=_Part_2280092_117074804.1492908307810 Content-Type:


It's hard to tell a lot from this without seeing the actual raw message
without it's being wrapped, folded, whatever by your MUA. Note that the
initial "7=C2=A0 " part looks like a quoted-printable encoding,
presumably from the text/plain alternative part that corresponds to the
"7  " at the end of the html alternative part below.


> text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
> xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office">
>  blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left:
> 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex
> !important; background-color:white !important; } 3 topping 19 inch
> pizza$20.002 chicken fajitas and a
> salad $12.00Bacon cheese
> burger $10.00Nome
> Nachos $12.00443-7992Sent
> from My iPhone 7  
> --=_Part_2280092_117074804.1492908307810--
> --===6170515499548786613== Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Content-Disposition: inline

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[Mailman-Users] bounces SMTP error 554

2017-04-22 Thread Jim Dory 
I have a couple members of our list whose remote mail servers reject some
of our messages because of what appears to be text formatting in the
messages. Usually MS Office formatting. I get a bounce back ala:

"host mtaonline.net.mx1.greymail.rcimx.net [208.80.206.74]
SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
554 Failed: Malformed MIME field: X-Ham-Report:
Spam detection software, running on the system "
gandalf.nomekennelclub.com", has NOT identified this incoming email as
spam.  The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or
label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see root\@localhost
for details.  Content preview:
 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important;
border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important;
background-color:white!important; } 3 topping 19 inch pizza$20.00 2
chicken fajitas and a sala [0xC2] ..."

In googling, it seems I found others have problems with the [OxC2] type
formatting as well. Just curious if there's much I can do about it or just
ignore these bounces.

Here's the original source of that particular message:

Sent from My iPhone
7=C2=A0 --=_Part_2280092_117074804.1492908307810 Content-Type:
text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office">
 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left:
0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex
!important; background-color:white !important; } 3 topping 19 inch
pizza$20.002 chicken fajitas and a
salad $12.00Bacon cheese
burger $10.00Nome
Nachos $12.00443-7992Sent
from My iPhone 7  
--=_Part_2280092_117074804.1492908307810--
--===6170515499548786613== Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting implicit destinattion even though To: field is correct

2017-04-22 Thread Robert Heller 
At Sat, 22 Apr 2017 10:23:59 -0700 Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> 
> On 04/21/2017 12:15 PM, Aaron Smith wrote:
> > ... However, if I send a message to
> > testl...@mail01.example.com, it
> > is moderated for implicit destination.  Every single time.  And I
> > KNOW that the To: field has the correct email address because I'm
> > typing it in myself during a telnet session to port 25!  What am I
> > missing here?
> 
> 
> The addresses in any To:, Cc:, Resent-To: or Resent-Cc: headers are
> lower cased and if the local part of any of these matches the list's
> internal name (which should be the lower case list name, i.e. the list's
> real_name attribute lower cased), you should not get an implicit
> destination hold.
> 
> I.e., if the list's internal name it 'testlist' and the To: header
> contains the address testlist@... in any combination of upper/lower
> case, the message should not be held for implicit destination.
> 
> When the message is held for implicit destination, look at the Message
> Headers: in the held message view in the list's admindb interface. Do
> they have the To: header you expect?

Since the OP is using a "telnet session to port 25" I wonder if he is 
confusing an *envelope header" with a message header.

If in the "telnet session to port 25" he is typing:

RCPT To testl...@mail01.example.com

And *failing* to include in the DATA section a line like:

To: testl...@mail01.example.com

Even though the RCPT To is correct, *mailman* still needs the 
"To: testl...@mail01.example.com" *in the message itself* (in the header in 
the DATA part).

> 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting implicit destinattion even though To: field is correct

2017-04-22 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 04/21/2017 12:15 PM, Aaron Smith wrote:
> ... However, if I send a message to
> testl...@mail01.example.com, it
> is moderated for implicit destination.  Every single time.  And I
> KNOW that the To: field has the correct email address because I'm
> typing it in myself during a telnet session to port 25!  What am I
> missing here?


The addresses in any To:, Cc:, Resent-To: or Resent-Cc: headers are
lower cased and if the local part of any of these matches the list's
internal name (which should be the lower case list name, i.e. the list's
real_name attribute lower cased), you should not get an implicit
destination hold.

I.e., if the list's internal name it 'testlist' and the To: header
contains the address testlist@... in any combination of upper/lower
case, the message should not be held for implicit destination.

When the message is held for implicit destination, look at the Message
Headers: in the held message view in the list's admindb interface. Do
they have the To: header you expect?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding email to a mailman list

2017-04-22 Thread netravnen+mailman 
Hi Mark

On 22 April 2017 at 14:04, Mark T  wrote:
> Hi can anyone tell me how do I use a forwarding
>
> Email  address on a members only mailing list
>
> to my email list
>
> Only tried to do this  and just keeps saying moderated
>
> Have added the email to the list of members
>
> And when I send a email  to the list just keeps saying the same message
>

Maybe under "Restrictions > Filtering of senders >
accept_these_nonmembers" and add the FROM email address to this list.
Is what you are looking for ?

/Christoffer
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[Mailman-Users] Getting implicit destinattion even though To: field is correct

2017-04-22 Thread Aaron Smith 
I just installed mailman 2.1.20 using the Ubuntu provided 
package for 16.04.
I'm setting this up as a replacement for an older mailman server.  Right now, 
the lists are just using the machine name for the addresses, but whenever I 
send a message to a list address, it gets held for moderator approval, claiming 
it has an "implicit destination".  The server name is (not really) 
mail01.example.com.  mm_cfg.py has DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST of "mail01.example.com", 
and I set up the necessary configuration to have the aliases generated 
(MTA=POSTFIX) and commented out the postfix_to_mailman.ph transport line in 
postfix.  However, if I send a message to 
testl...@mail01.example.com, it is 
moderated for implicit destination.  Every single time.  And I KNOW that the 
To: field has the correct email address because I'm typing it in myself during 
a telnet session to port 25!  What am I  missing here?

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[Mailman-Users] forwarding email to a mailman list

2017-04-22 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull 
Mark T writes:

 > Hi can anyone tell me how do I use a forwarding 
 > Email  address on a members only mailing list 
 > to my email list

This is definitely a list managed by Mailman?

 > Only tried to do this and just keeps saying moderated

What reason does it give for moderating the message?

Do you mean the original moderated message, or new ones?  Mailman does
not check the moderation queue and apply the new configuration to it.
Once a message is held for moderation, a moderator must explicitly
release it.  The new permission applies only to messages received
after the new subscription is activated.

 > Have added the email to the list of members

Have you checked your mail for a verification mail?  Most lists are
configured to send mail to a newly subscribed address with a "one-time
URL" registered to that address.  When you visit that URL, the mailing
list assumes you have access to that mail account, and activates the
subscription.

Also, some lists are configured to require moderator approval before
activating new subscriptions.

Evenif you are the list administrator, although you can bypass these
verification steps, it's theoretically possible that you didn't, and
the subscription is not yet active.

 > And when I send a email  to the list just keeps saying the same message

If you have verified as above (or the list is configured to bypass
them), check to make sure that you used exactly the same email.  For
example, the list cannot tell that "mail...@mail.example.com" and
"mail...@example.com" are the "same" address, even though they usually
deliver to the same place, and a human would assume so.  Also, check
for typos.

If none of the above applies, we definitely need to know what the
reason given in the error message from the list is.

HTH,

Steve
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[Mailman-Users] forwarding email to a mailman list

2017-04-22 Thread Mark T 
Hi can anyone tell me how do I use a forwarding 

Email  address on a members only mailing list 

to my email list

Only tried to do this  and just keeps saying moderated 

Have added the email to the list of members

And when I send a email  to the list just keeps saying the same message

Mark.

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