Re: [Mailman-Users] Users being unsubscribed without requesting it.

[Julian H. Stacey]

"Steve Wehr" wrote:
> That's the best theory I have heard so far to explain the facts. 
> 
> The user's in question, who are being unsubscribed without asking to be, are
> people who like the mailing lists they are on, and would not be flagging
> emails from the list as spam. Now their ISP might, but they wouldn't. The
> list owners swear to me that these people are friends who want their emails.
> 
> Some further info... I was including a link at the bottom of all emails sent
> by mailman (in the msg_footer field: 
> "Click this link to unsubscribe:
> %(user_optionsurl)s?password=%(user_password)s=1=1" 
> 
> I thought perhaps users were accidentally clicking this and unsubscribing
> themselves, so I have removed the "=1" part of the URL so they
> will have to manually confirm.
> 
> Maybe this would foil ISPs who are automatically following this link to
> unsubscribe people. Do ISPs really do this?

Those list members may have forwarded some posts to acquaintances,
those 3rd parties may have clicked those links mostly
by accident.  I have received stuff like that quite often from
people (regardless what mail manager was) Some people are clueless
thus forward without pruning. Some careless, some time pressured,
& some 3rd parties will click Anything.

Andy C's idea is good: Track a couple of cases in apache (or other httpd) logs .

Cheers,
Julian
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Users being unsubscribed without requesting it.

[List Manager]

Steve-

Just a thought, but since the "unsubscribe link" has been part of the
output of your list, it is possible that someone other than the
recipient sees the link and clicks on it, either in malice or error
(trying to unsubscribe themselves)
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 On 2017-08-19 10:00, Steve Wehr wrote:

> That's the best theory I have heard so far to explain the facts.  
> 
> The user's in question, who are being unsubscribed without asking to be, are 
> people who like the mailing lists they are on, and would not be flagging 
> emails from the list as spam. Now their ISP might, but they wouldn't. The 
> list owners swear to me that these people are friends who want their emails.
> 
> Some further info... I was including a link at the bottom of all emails sent 
> by mailman (in the msg_footer field: 
> "Click this link to unsubscribe:
> %(user_optionsurl)s?password=%(user_password)s=1=1" 
> 
> I thought perhaps users were accidentally clicking this and unsubscribing
> themselves, so I have removed the "=1" part of the URL so they 
> will have to manually confirm.
> 
> Maybe this would foil ISPs who are automatically following this link to
> unsubscribe people. Do ISPs really do this?
> 
> _
> Steve Wehr
> Tunedin Web Design
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Keith Seyffarth [mailto:w...@weif.net] 
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 10:55 AM
> To: Steve Wehr
> Cc: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Users being unsubscribed without requesting it.
> 
> "Steve Wehr"  writes:
> 
> 
> 
>> The problem is that when contacted, these users swear they DID NOT 
>> unsubscribe themselves. So how can they be getting unsubscribed (with 
>> messages in the logs like the one above) but they are not going to the 
>> member options page and unsubscribing??
> 
> One possibility would be that they are marking these messages as "Junk"
> or "Spam" and their ESP/ISP, either through a manual or automated process,
> is following the unsubscribe link in the email to remove them from the
> list...
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