Re: [Mailman-Users] Only unmoderated messages getting to list?

2018-01-31 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 01/31/2018 09:00 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
> Can I get at those logs via cPanel?


If you can access the underlying file system, the logs are in
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/logs.

You can't access them directly via the control panel.


> Since I emailed, an approved message got through. Two of the three affected 
> emails were from non members. We allow non members to post because some 
> people just don’t bother subscribing.
> 
> The sender of an affected email subscribed and sent another email, and after 
> being approved, it got through.


It's not possible to know what's going on without seeing the logs. If
you don't have access to them and the issue persists, you'll have to
contact your hosting provider for help.

Also see .

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Only unmoderated messages getting to list?

2018-01-31 Thread Peter Shute 
Can I get at those logs via cPanel?

Since I emailed, an approved message got through. Two of the three affected 
emails were from non members. We allow non members to post because some people 
just don’t bother subscribing.

The sender of an affected email subscribed and sent another email, and after 
being approved, it got through.

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> On 1 Feb 2018, at 3:04 pm, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> 
>> On 01/31/2018 07:08 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
>> Today we've noticed that messages we've approved aren't getting sent out by 
>> the list, or at least they aren't being received by list members.
> 
> 
> Are they archived?
> 
> 
>> I sent a couple of test messages to the list, and they got sent out ok. What 
>> could be happening that only allows unmoderated messages through?
> 
> 
> What's in Mailman's 'vette' and 'error' logs from the time of approval.
> 
> One possibility is the messages held and approved were subsequently
> discarded by content filtering. This can happen for example if the
> message is HTML only, content filtering doesn't accept text/html and
> filter_action is discard. This and other possibilities will be logged in
> the vette log.
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Only unmoderated messages getting to list?

2018-01-31 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 01/31/2018 07:08 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
> Today we've noticed that messages we've approved aren't getting sent out by 
> the list, or at least they aren't being received by list members.


Are they archived?


> I sent a couple of test messages to the list, and they got sent out ok. What 
> could be happening that only allows unmoderated messages through?


What's in Mailman's 'vette' and 'error' logs from the time of approval.

One possibility is the messages held and approved were subsequently
discarded by content filtering. This can happen for example if the
message is HTML only, content filtering doesn't accept text/html and
filter_action is discard. This and other possibilities will be logged in
the vette log.

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[Mailman-Users] Only unmoderated messages getting to list?

2018-01-31 Thread Peter Shute 
Today we've noticed that messages we've approved aren't getting sent out by the 
list, or at least they aren't being received by list members.

I sent a couple of test messages to the list, and they got sent out ok. What 
could be happening that only allows unmoderated messages through?

There haven't been a lot of messages involved yet. Maybe three moderated 
messages have gone astray, from three different members, one of whom is a 
moderator.

We're on v2.1.23.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-31 Thread Sebastian Hagedorn 


--On 30. Januar 2018 um 13:33:35 -0700 Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users 
 wrote:



On 01/26/2018 09:41 PM, Jordan Brown wrote:

I was suggesting that one way to address that complaint would be for
your mail client to detect the duplication and hide the duplicate copies.


That sounds good in theory.  But the practice that I'm exposed to doesn't
work out well.

I usually receive the direct replies before the copy from the mailing
list.  With the copy coming in from the mailing list after the message
directly to me is processed, there is little chance of retroactively
removing the original copy.  At least from procmail filters.  I'm also
not aware of much that Thunderbird can do.


Cyrus IMAP does duplicate suppression by default, so I never see more than 
one copy. I usually send replies to both author and list, because you never 
know how long the mail will take over the list, and with a modern server 
duplicates are a non-issue.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-31 Thread Sebastian Hagedorn 


--On 30. Januar 2018 um 12:46:20 -0700 Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users 
 wrote:



Mutt and Gnus have had that for as long as I can remember.  But there's
always a huge constituency for a one-button do-what-I-mean function.
"It's obvious what I want, why doesn't this stupid software get it?"
I think this algorithm provides that function.


The more we discuss this and the longer that this thread goes on, makes
me think that this should be a user configurable action that the MUA
prompts the user for what they want to reply to in the ambiguous case.
Likely with some tuning and parameters to reduce the number of pop ups.


This is what Mulberry does, which is one of the many reasons I'm still 
using it even though it's de facto abandonware.

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