Re: [Mailman-Users] Possibly OT: GDPR and list servers
On 5/9/2018 9:05 AM, Alain D D Williams wrote: * all those on the list subscribed themselves - they thus, at that time, gave their consent to mailman/list-owner to have their email address for the purpose of sending email; also on the sign up page I mention list archiving, etc. FWIW: I've added the following to a list rules message that is posted monthly. "By posting to this mailing list, you are granting perpetual, non-exclusive, unlimited, and irrevocable, rights to the content." I've had people, who thought the questions they asked on a list reflected poorly on them, try to 'revoke' my right to publish the content they had contributed. david -- IBM i on Power Systems: For when you can't afford to be out of business! I'm riding 615 miles (Yes, you read that right) in the American Diabetes Association's Tour de Cure to raise money for diabetes research, education, advocacy, and awareness. You can make a tax deductible donation to my ride by visiting https://gmane.diabetessucks.net. You can see where my donations come from by visiting my interactive donation map ... https://gmane.diabetessucks.net/map (it's a geeky thing). I may have diabetes, but diabetes doesn't have me! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Possibly OT: GDPR and list servers
On Wed, May 09, 2018 at 02:39:09PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Andrew Hodgson wrote: > > Has anyone in the EU come across the GDPR guidelines in the context of > > Mailman? We are a charity and run Mailman as part of that with some high > > traffic email lists. I am getting a lot of conflicting information > > regarding whether we can even continue to do this in the current climate, > > most of it coming from half baked documents or different people's opinion, > > so I wanted to put it out there to see if there is anything that the > > community may have that we can use or help with in a co-ordinated way. > GDPR seems the latest government imposed plague ** to consume > business time unpaid, along with VAT etc. Bigger companies can > afford it, but for some small companies it's last nail in the coffin. The attitude that I have taken with mail lists is that: * all those on the list subscribed themselves - they thus, at that time, gave their consent to mailman/list-owner to have their email address for the purpose of sending email; also on the sign up page I mention list archiving, etc. * those on the list can unsubscribe themselves - a reminder of the list web page is at the foot of every email. Job done. There is a lot of hype about the GDPR, much of it inflated by those who either do not understand it or those who are selling DDPR 'services'. GDPR is not designed to hit things like mailman lists, or web sites that do not collect and process personal information. ''process'' is the important word - the fact that someone's IP address ends up in your Apache logs is of little interest unless you mechanically process them -- using them to track down some bug or attempt at cracking the web site would not fall foul of GDPR. Summary: play nice (ie don't be facebook) and you are probably OK. > ** Remember the ISO 9000 certification plague ? When industry > threw out good equipment that wasn't ISO 9000; & even banks bored > us they too were ISO 9000 method compliant. Yes. I just ignored it. -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/contact.php #include -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Possibly OT: GDPR and list servers
On 05/09/18 08:39, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > I may put something like this at top of > http://mailman.berklix.org/mailman/listinfo > GDPR: 88 pages of PDF this unpaid admin has no time to read. > Mail lists & web are run Free. You pay nothing. We are paid nothing. > If you object Unsubscribe Yourself. That in my opinion is about the right level of response for a typical mailing list. I myself would add the following: - We do not collect any personal information beyond your email address - We do not sell, share or otherwise use your email address except to deliver mail to you - Public archives are public; think before you post. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Possibly OT: GDPR and list servers
Hi, Reference: > From: Andrew Hodgson > Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 17:22:12 + Andrew Hodgson wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone in the EU come across the GDPR guidelines in the context of > Mailman? We are a charity and run Mailman as part of that with some high > traffic email lists. I am getting a lot of conflicting information regarding > whether we can even continue to do this in the current climate, most of it > coming from half baked documents or different people's opinion, so I wanted > to put it out there to see if there is anything that the community may have > that we can use or help with in a co-ordinated way. The 88 page source: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32016R0679&from=EN Linked from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation GDPR seems the latest government imposed plague ** to consume business time unpaid, along with VAT etc. Bigger companies can afford it, but for some small companies it's last nail in the coffin. ** Remember the ISO 9000 certification plague ? When industry threw out good equipment that wasn't ISO 9000; & even banks bored us they too were ISO 9000 method compliant. I may put something like this at top of http://mailman.berklix.org/mailman/listinfo GDPR: 88 pages of PDF this unpaid admin has no time to read. Mail lists & web are run Free. You pay nothing. We are paid nothing. If you object Unsubscribe Yourself. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, Computer Consultant, Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich Brexit Referendum stole 3,700,000 votes, inc. 700,000 from British in EU. UK Govt. lied it's "democratic" in Article 50 letter to EU paragraph 3. Petition for votes: http://berklix.eu/queen/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Possibly OT: GDPR and list servers
Hi Andrew, I have more or less the same issue with you. So far, I'm pretty sure about this: you have to notify your recipients to "authorize" (or not), accept and read about how you treat their personal data in order to do the mailings ... if you are able to do that, most probably you can continue doing it, with all those who accepted of course. hope it helps a bit Cheers, speck On 08/05/2018 08:22 μμ, Andrew Hodgson wrote: Hi, Has anyone in the EU come across the GDPR guidelines in the context of Mailman? We are a charity and run Mailman as part of that with some high traffic email lists. I am getting a lot of conflicting information regarding whether we can even continue to do this in the current climate, most of it coming from half baked documents or different people's opinion, so I wanted to put it out there to see if there is anything that the community may have that we can use or help with in a co-ordinated way. Thanks. Andrew. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/specktator%40totallynoob.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Private archive file not found
Thanks Mark. I ended up deleting and starting from scratch On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 05/07/2018 08:58 AM, David Doonan wrote: > > > > Exploring the server via SFTP, this troublesome list only has one > folder, with a sub-folder called attachments. > > > > The rest of the lists are set up correctly, with two folders, one with > the name of the list and the second with the name of the list and .mbox as > a suffix. > > > > The troublesome list is not new; it was created a decade or more ago. > Can’t believe that no has complained about the lack of archives. > > > > Is there a solution other than to re-install? > > It is possible that something was somehow deleted or lost from the > archive. If you have any older backups, you might look for them. > > If not, if you have shell access, rather than just SFTP, what you need > to do is create the archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox directory and an > empty archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox file. These should > have the same ownership and permissions as the ones for other lists, in > particular drwxrwsr-x for the directory and -rw-rw-r-- for the file and > mailman's group for both. > > Then run Mailman's > > bin/arch --wipe LISTNAME > > and that will create the (empty) archive. > > Alternatively, you can back up the lists/LISTNAME/ directory, containing > the config.pck and other files. Then delete the list or just remove the > lists/LISTNAME/ directory and then create the list and replace the > lists/LISTNAME/ directory with the one you backed up. This should cerate > the list with a "proper" empty archive and then restoring the > lists/LISTNAME/ directory and contents will restore the list config and > membership. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > dadoonan%40gmail.com > -- David Doonan 3 Gray Avenue #2 Greenwich, New York 12834 518-265-4030 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
