Re: [Mailman-Users] debugging help - logs show mailman post executed but no mail

2018-10-04 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 10/04/2018 08:20 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
> 
> and from syslog.1 this excerpt at the relevant time:
> 
> Oct  3 18:02:11 web5 postfix/smtpd[23732]: connect from
> apps-kam-2.gov.bc.ca[142.34.224.137] Oct  3 18:02:11 web5
> postfix/smtpd[23732]: C21AE8ED2DF:
> client=apps-kam-2.gov.bc.ca[142.34.224.137] Oct  3 18:02:11 web5
> postfix/cleanup[4673]: C21AE8ED2DF:
> message-id=<201810040102.w9412abv006...@apps-kam-2.gov.bc.ca> Oct  3
> 18:02:11 web5 postfix/qmgr[1546]: C21AE8ED2DF:
> from=, size=1268, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct  3
> 18:02:12 web5 postfix/smtpd[23732]: disconnect from
> apps-kam-2.gov.bc.ca[142.34.224.137] Oct  3 18:02:12 web5
> postfix/local[4674]: C21AE8ED2DF:this point then deleted 
> to=,
> orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0.92,
> delays=0.2/0.01/0/0.71, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to
> command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post kitimat) Oct  3 18:02:12
> web5 postfix/qmgr[1546]: C21AE8ED2DF: removed
> 
> so to me this looks just like a normal delivery. I think it must be the
> case that mailman handed off the delivery to postfix at this point then
> deleted the message. But then why no actual delivery?


Those entries are about Postfix receiving the mail for
kiti...@aqadvisories.ca and delivering it via pipe to
'/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post kitimat' which is passing it to
Mailman for posting to the kitimat list. Presumably the 'mailman'
wrapper received it and queued it.

I don't know where Mailman's queues are in your installation, but based
on logs being in /var/log/mailman, I'm guessing this is RedHat/CentOS
and queues are in /var/spool/mailman. In particular, I think you'll find
the message in /var/spool/mailman/in/*.pck because IncomingRunner is not
running and processing it's queue. Maybe Mailman is not running at all.

See /var/log/mailman/qrunner and points 2.2 and 6.2 at
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sending Mail To List And Individual User

2018-10-04 Thread Robert Heller 
At Wed, 3 Oct 2018 23:24:32 -0500 Tim Daneliuk  wrote:

> 
> I have a list, f...@bar.com.   lu...@splat.com is the administrator of that
> list and also a member of the list.   If someone sends a message to 
> f...@bar.com
> luser gets a copy as expected.  However, if someone send mail with both
> f...@bar.com and lu...@splat.com as recipients, only the direct message for
> luser shows up.  luser's copy of the list message never does.
> 
> How do I change this so luser gets both the copy directed to him as well
> as the mailing list message?

This is a user option setting, "send a copy to yourself" (something like 
that).  Note: if luser is actually @gmail.com, *gmail* might get all clever 
and not deliver both copies -- that would be a gmail "feature".

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Re: [Mailman-Users] debugging help - logs show mailman post executed but no mail

2018-10-04 Thread Dave Stevens 
On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 19:16:24 -0700
Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 10/04/2018 05:03 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
> > 
> > The list exists, the sender is subscribed and unmoderated the
> > destination email exists, the post operation seems to have worked
> > (where's the logfile???) but no mail delivered.
> > 
> > Where should I be looking?  
> 
> 
> In Mailman's logs. Particularly 'error', 'post', 'smtp' and
> 'smtp-failure'. Where they are depends on how Mailman was installed,
> possibly /usr/lib/mailman/logs/ or /var/lib/mailman/logs/ or
> /var/log/mailman/ or elsewhere depending on how Mailman was
> configured/packaged.
> 
> If there is no error or smtp failure and there are entries in the
> 'post' and 'smtp' logs, then the message was delivered to the
> outgoing MTA.
> 

files from /var/log/mailman:

error exists and has a few entries but none as recent as Oct 3 which is
the failure date. 

post has this content only:

Oct 01 17:13:04 2018 (2966) post to amsdirectors from
g...@uniserve.com, size=2919,
message-id=<20181001171248.33c61328@user-Satellite-A100>, success

I can confirm that this was delivered, I received it.

smtp, dated Oct 1 and smtp.1, dated Oct 2, are zero bytes

no file smtp-failure

and from syslog.1 this excerpt at the relevant time:

Oct  3 18:02:11 web5 postfix/smtpd[23732]: connect from
apps-kam-2.gov.bc.ca[142.34.224.137] Oct  3 18:02:11 web5
postfix/smtpd[23732]: C21AE8ED2DF:
client=apps-kam-2.gov.bc.ca[142.34.224.137] Oct  3 18:02:11 web5
postfix/cleanup[4673]: C21AE8ED2DF:
message-id=<201810040102.w9412abv006...@apps-kam-2.gov.bc.ca> Oct  3
18:02:11 web5 postfix/qmgr[1546]: C21AE8ED2DF:
from=, size=1268, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct  3
18:02:12 web5 postfix/smtpd[23732]: disconnect from
apps-kam-2.gov.bc.ca[142.34.224.137] Oct  3 18:02:12 web5
postfix/local[4674]: C21AE8ED2DF:this point then deleted 
to=,
orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0.92,
delays=0.2/0.01/0/0.71, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to
command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post kitimat) Oct  3 18:02:12
web5 postfix/qmgr[1546]: C21AE8ED2DF: removed

so to me this looks just like a normal delivery. I think it must be the
case that mailman handed off the delivery to postfix at this point then
deleted the message. But then why no actual delivery?

D





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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sending Mail To List And Individual User

2018-10-04 Thread Tim Daneliuk 
On 10/04/2018 05:47 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 10/04/2018 03:31 PM, Keith Seyffarth wrote:
>>
>> In the site admin, go to the membership list.
>> Find lu...@splat.com and uncheck the check in the "not metoo" column.
>> Submit your changes.
> 
> 
> Actually, 'not metoo' controls whether you receive copies of your own
> posts (posts From: you). The control for receiving copies of posts in
> which you are directly addressed in To: or Cc: is 'nodups' as I said at
> .
> 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] debugging help - logs show mailman post executed but no mail

2018-10-04 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 10/04/2018 05:03 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
> 
> The list exists, the sender is subscribed and unmoderated the
> destination email exists, the post operation seems to have worked
> (where's the logfile???) but no mail delivered.
> 
> Where should I be looking?


In Mailman's logs. Particularly 'error', 'post', 'smtp' and
'smtp-failure'. Where they are depends on how Mailman was installed,
possibly /usr/lib/mailman/logs/ or /var/lib/mailman/logs/ or
/var/log/mailman/ or elsewhere depending on how Mailman was
configured/packaged.

If there is no error or smtp failure and there are entries in the 'post'
and 'smtp' logs, then the message was delivered to the outgoing MTA.

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[Mailman-Users] debugging help - logs show mailman post executed but no mail

2018-10-04 Thread Dave Stevens 
so like this:

postfix/local[12525]: 0558C8ECC0F:
to=,
orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0.75,
delays=0.09/0/0/0.66, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to
command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post daveonly)

The list exists, the sender is subscribed and unmoderated the
destination email exists, the post operation seems to have worked
(where's the logfile???) but no mail delivered.

Where should I be looking?

D


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sending Mail To List And Individual User

2018-10-04 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 10/04/2018 03:31 PM, Keith Seyffarth wrote:
> 
> In the site admin, go to the membership list.
> Find lu...@splat.com and uncheck the check in the "not metoo" column.
> Submit your changes.


Actually, 'not metoo' controls whether you receive copies of your own
posts (posts From: you). The control for receiving copies of posts in
which you are directly addressed in To: or Cc: is 'nodups' as I said at
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sending Mail To List And Individual User

2018-10-04 Thread Keith Seyffarth 
Tim Daneliuk  writes:

> I have a list, f...@bar.com.   lu...@splat.com is the administrator of that
> list and also a member of the list.   If someone sends a message to 
> f...@bar.com
> luser gets a copy as expected.  However, if someone send mail with both
> f...@bar.com and lu...@splat.com as recipients, only the direct message for
> luser shows up.  luser's copy of the list message never does.
>
> How do I change this so luser gets both the copy directed to him as well
> as the mailing list message?

In the site admin, go to the membership list.
Find lu...@splat.com and uncheck the check in the "not metoo" column.
Submit your changes.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sending Mail To List And Individual User

2018-10-04 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 10/03/2018 09:24 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> 
> How do I change this so luser gets both the copy directed to him as well
> as the mailing list message?

On luser's options page set "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" to No
or in the web admin membership list uncheck "nodupes" for luser.

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[Mailman-Users] Sending Mail To List And Individual User

2018-10-04 Thread Tim Daneliuk 
I have a list, f...@bar.com.   lu...@splat.com is the administrator of that
list and also a member of the list.   If someone sends a message to f...@bar.com
luser gets a copy as expected.  However, if someone send mail with both
f...@bar.com and lu...@splat.com as recipients, only the direct message for
luser shows up.  luser's copy of the list message never does.

How do I change this so luser gets both the copy directed to him as well
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