[Mailman-Users] I'm doing as check_perms suggests with no change - what next?
root@web6:/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/stewards# check_perms -f /var/lib/mailman/scripts bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/locks bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/Mailman bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/templates bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/icons bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/mail bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/cron bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/logs bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) Problems found: 10 Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix I'be repeated this several times and don't see what to do. Ideas? Dave -- "As long as politics is the shadow cast on society by big business, the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance." -- John Dewey -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] duplicate pending requests
On 10/08/2018 04:52 AM, Bernie Cosell wrote: > Every morning I get two identical copies of the "moderator requests waiting". > It > isn't a big deal but I'm wondering why. I first thought it was sending one > copy to > the owner and one copy to the moderator [I had me in as both], so I removed > me > from moderator -- now there's no moderator and only the owner and still I get > two copies. Did I misconfigure something? Identical including all headers? If so, I don't know what the issue would be, but it could be some filter rule in your MUA creating the duplicate. Also, Mailman's smtp log and the MTA log may have clues. The notice is sent first to the LIST-owner address, and then received by Mailman and resent to the owner and moderator addresses. If there are differences in headers, examine them for clues. One likely possibility is you have both a system crontam and a Mailman user crontab running Mailman's cron/checkdbs. It doesn't matter which you have, but there should only be one. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft blocking our Mailman lists
On Mon, 2018-10-08 at 12:23 -0400, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > On Mon, 2018-10-08 at 11:01 -0500, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > > > > > I've generally had good luck with Linode. Their tech folks are real > > geniuses and technically their service really rock. > Next time you're on one of their nodes do this: > > egrep "(MHz|model name)" /proc/cpuinfo > > For less $$ you can get newer/faster hardware elsewhere (and some > even > come with pure SSD RAID10 storage) All I'm saying is that it pays to > shop around. > > model name: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1240 v6 @ 3.70GHz > cpu MHz : 3695.998 > model name: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1240 v6 @ 3.70GHz > cpu MHz : 3695.998 My linode has a quad: model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v2 @ 2.80GHz cpu MHz : 2800.000 Not as fast, but speed isn't everything, and the speed is quite adequate for my small email and web hosting business. I _did_ shop around, and when I settled on Linode back in 2014 it was recommended by people in the IT business whom I trust. As I said, I've been quite impressed with their technical skills and the quality of their support. On top of that, I'm using their DNS services for probably 90 domain names (with programming for several facilities in place which leverages their DNS API), and have an IPv6 /56 assigned to me from them, routed through a VPN to our SOHO LAN. On top of that, my wife and I are up against some major medical issues which are occupying all of our available time which I'm NOT spending on trying to keep FMP's customers' mail service open to the full Internet. Switching virtual server providers at this point is NOT an option. I'm 77, _should_ be retired, and am stressed to the breaking point with dealing with all the crap coming down the pike at us. Thanks for your comment, though. -- Lindsay Haisley | "The first casualty when FMP Computer Services | war comes is truth." 512-259-1190 | http://www.fmp.com| -- Hiram W Johnson -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft blocking our Mailman lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, 2018-10-08 at 11:01 -0500, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > I've generally had good luck with Linode. Their tech folks are real > geniuses and technically their service really rock. Next time you're on one of their nodes do this: egrep "(MHz|model name)" /proc/cpuinfo For less $$ you can get newer/faster hardware elsewhere (and some even come with pure SSD RAID10 storage) All I'm saying is that it pays to shop around. model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1240 v6 @ 3.70GHz cpu MHz : 3695.998 model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1240 v6 @ 3.70GHz cpu MHz : 3695.998 model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1240 V2 @ 3.40GHz cpu MHz : 3400.022 model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1240 V2 @ 3.40GHz cpu MHz : 3400.022 - -Jim P. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEPxwe8uYBnqxkbORSJxVetMRaJwUFAlu7hG8ACgkQJxVetMRa JwUgERAAxNsytuKH0/sPHOs2EraGUQyY+ScoKkxiomV6cVodJI7o59ThffI0eUyx iaL2SkRtIIkdUKe6b5xsSdMJD0eggQm7/jfko4xC15c0uSOPbTGUCb8u/dwTdqDc MLcDZY36Y5JfcmwPVWLpdy/V02sRyOsk+5ynCFNOHyDctp4b0CZFfVr3G4Q0A+LM byNKrnw3Uy9+gb53/01Ca0ZfrAdYKQtdz5QWYsE+JCRLMsRfA1BHi6TlyXemMJji N3AIP+OwULAMrAgaivsT6mojK7Bbv3neaGjVhbMDHbo5StZvCA597n7gwiNr4SYy 8oLwdIDXO/E5W0sKbCfs5t4Sk9Qy+ZxxT1SKkfXGJfbWLUh3EmtZQ8PY9hF5XxtM JKGwCvvp0CmQoaFgWrTFz+Wd6/DkAtkamy9P16UWpfnYfJdH/bqgFm/FVf0zms+C +ab9KeToLMXXrtHMsyP4V+WOQ0QnWPSNr0c10hbnvoHHkuM37v3nux6Vb7jCne2K cc40m49pBN6uM7c3ZQcVTvjUq0eAwabVaL7ojgHzwNLrtkWMlL4Lp5gUkzf5p7vH NKJwUm/v5lDWDXr4ngoxicJroBzGiMLid9EUsEduuxKV3e6jESIPkRognVJ9UfNE pS3R6zH+tMjLRd/pkW6gMVhIG+5L9af8/fvpvY3MJ33tTXR5f5g= =NQ72 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft blocking our Mailman lists
On Mon, 2018-10-08 at 03:57 -0400, Jayson Smith wrote: > I've learned this lesson the hard way. Back in early 2011 I signed up > with a company called Serverpronto where I could get my own dedicated > server. Their terms of service were very clear on the fact that they > have a zero-tolerance policy when it comes to spammers, and all the > horrible things they would do to you if you even thought about getting > any of their network on any Email blacklists. Well I signed up, moved > lists over, and five days later I started getting bounces left and right > because my IP was on blacklists. I assume it wasn't my specific IP but > an IP range. I contacted support, and they did…absolutely nothing about > it! They weren't willing to investigate, they weren't willing to contact > the blacklists on my behalf since "they never respond," etc. I ended up > leaving them and switching to Linode. They've since merged with another > outfit I think, but unless they've straightened their act up big time, I > wouldn't recommend them to anyone! I've generally had good luck with Linode. Their tech folks are real geniuses and technically their service really rock. Their tech support staff is very responsive and helpful, well above and beyond what I might expect. I run my own mail server, know and understand the basics of email which I learned back in the 90s working for one of Austin's first ISPs. One of the things I offer for customers is hands-off customer- configured redirection of email. If customer John Doe has a domain mydomain.com he can set up redirection so that email to j...@mydomain.com redirects to, say, john@gmail.com. This is a feature of the Courier MTA which is _very_ useful, and is also leveraged to redirect mail into Mailman mailing lists. Unfortunately, if j...@mydomain.com gets harvested for spamming, then my server is burdened with filtering out spam to this address, and a certain amount gets through. I've written many of my own spam filtering routines, DMARC mitigation, etc. (i.e. courier-to-mailman.py in Mailman's contrib collection), but some slips through anyway, and it appears to come from MY server, if one only looks at the topmost Received header. I've had problems with public RBL blockages from time to time, and with Gmail, but I try to stay on top of it and get these resolved as they come up. Microsoft says they've "mitigated" this situation, but it'll take until tomorrow night before my server may be fully able to send email to addresses at hotmail.com, msn.com, outlook.com and live.com. Meanwhile I have customers, including a county political party, for whom email redirection is an absolutely vital on a daily basis to their functioning and I'm going to have to tell them to take their business elsewhere ASAP, and I may have to discontinue redirection as a service offering. This is going to cost me a lot of good will and income. > Just goes to show, the terms of service can be all "We hate spammers > just as much as you do, and if we find out you're a spammer we'll do > unspeakable things," but it might not mean a thing. Yep. I am amazed that email, as implemented through RFC 822 and other early protocols, still survives and hasn't gone the way of UseNet News, UUCP Mail, Gopher and Archie. It's probably the most stressed service on the Internet what with c.a. 90% of email being UCE, and there are so many misbegotten attempts out there to deal with the problem in ways that break email on the Internet, often violation of RFCs. It's a tribute to the engineering genius of the internet pioneers who developed the email protocols that it survives at all and hasn't been replaced entirely with proprietary services such as Facebook Messenger. -- Lindsay Haisley | "The first casualty when FMP Computer Services | war comes is truth." 512-259-1190 | http://www.fmp.com| -- Hiram W Johnson -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] duplicate pending requests
Every morning I get two identical copies of the "moderator requests waiting". It isn't a big deal but I'm wondering why. I first thought it was sending one copy to the owner and one copy to the moderator [I had me in as both], so I removed me from moderator -- now there's no moderator and only the owner and still I get two copies. Did I misconfigure something? /b\ Bernie Cosell ber...@fantasyfarm.com -- Too many people; too few sheep -- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft blocking our Mailman lists
Hi, I've learned this lesson the hard way. Back in early 2011 I signed up with a company called Serverpronto where I could get my own dedicated server. Their terms of service were very clear on the fact that they have a zero-tolerance policy when it comes to spammers, and all the horrible things they would do to you if you even thought about getting any of their network on any Email blacklists. Well I signed up, moved lists over, and five days later I started getting bounces left and right because my IP was on blacklists. I assume it wasn't my specific IP but an IP range. I contacted support, and they did…absolutely nothing about it! They weren't willing to investigate, they weren't willing to contact the blacklists on my behalf since "they never respond," etc. I ended up leaving them and switching to Linode. They've since merged with another outfit I think, but unless they've straightened their act up big time, I wouldn't recommend them to anyone! Just goes to show, the terms of service can be all "We hate spammers just as much as you do, and if we find out you're a spammer we'll do unspeakable things," but it might not mean a thing. Jayson On 10/7/2018 4:25 PM, Mike Starr wrote: On 10/7/2018 1:25 PM, John Levine wrote: It may well not be you. Linode does a poor job of keeping their network clean of spammers and other miscreants. They always kick them off when you report it, but by then it's too late, so their whole network has an iffy reputation. Linode's hosting is nothing special, either in features or price. You might consider moving your system somewhere else that manages their network better. And there's the problem... you can switch hosts but not know if they manager their network better until you know they don't because your email gets blocked. Like they say in the pool hall, poke and hope. Unless there's some way to shop for a hosting company on the basis of their "network reputation." As far as hosting companies go, like the rotisserie ad said, I just want to set it and forget it. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jaybird%40bluegrasspals.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
