[Mailman-Users] Restoring manually backed-up archives into cPanel installation?

[Jesse Sheidlower]

I'm trying to migrate a group of Mailman lists onto a new shared hosting 
provider. I do not have direct access to the original system; the sysadmin 
there has given me a full tarball of the mailman directory, including the 
archives/, data/, and lists/ subdirectories.

The new hosting provider, to which I do have command-line access via SSH, uses 
Mailman through a cPanel installation. There's no mailman directory currently, 
and cPanel itself doesn't have any options for migration. I e-mailed the 
support group to ask where to put it, and they said that you can only restore a 
backup that is itself made with cPanel into a cPanel environment; the cPanel 
version of mailman is different and won't accept backups made manually.

Is this true? I've Googled what I can, but haven't found anything that 
addresses this. If I can't restore the list archives, I'll need to find a 
different hosting provider, and it hasn't been easy to find one that meets my 
otherwise very simple needs.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Restoring manually backed-up archives into cPanel installation?

[Brian Carpenter]

> -Original Message-
> From: Mailman-Users  bounces+brian=emwd@python.org> On Behalf Of Jesse Sheidlower
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:03 AM
> To: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restoring manually backed-up archives into cPanel
> installation?
> 
> 
> I'm trying to migrate a group of Mailman lists onto a new shared hosting
> provider. I do not have direct access to the original system; the sysadmin
> there has given me a full tarball of the mailman directory, including the
> archives/, data/, and lists/ subdirectories.
> 
> The new hosting provider, to which I do have command-line access via SSH,
> uses Mailman through a cPanel installation. There's no mailman directory
> currently, and cPanel itself doesn't have any options for migration. I
e-mailed
> the support group to ask where to put it, and they said that you can only
> restore a backup that is itself made with cPanel into a cPanel
environment;
> the cPanel version of mailman is different and won't accept backups made
> manually.
> 
> Is this true? I've Googled what I can, but haven't found anything that
> addresses this. If I can't restore the list archives, I'll need to find a
different
> hosting provider, and it hasn't been easy to find one that meets my
> otherwise very simple needs.

Hi Jesse,

Those files need to go into the backend of the server which is beyond the
reach of a cPanel shared hosting account. The server admin would have to do
that for you. As long as the backup of the files are version 2.1.* they
should migrate fine. Contact me off list if you can't get this resolved.

Brian Carpenter
Mailmanhost.com  :^)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Restoring manually backed-up archives into cPanel installation?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 1/14/19 4:02 AM, Jesse Sheidlower wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to migrate a group of Mailman lists onto a new shared hosting 
> provider. I do not have direct access to the original system; the sysadmin 
> there has given me a full tarball of the mailman directory, including the 
> archives/, data/, and lists/ subdirectories.


Good.


> The new hosting provider, to which I do have command-line access via SSH, 
> uses Mailman through a cPanel installation. There's no mailman directory 
> currently, and cPanel itself doesn't have any options for migration. I 
> e-mailed the support group to ask where to put it, and they said that you can 
> only restore a backup that is itself made with cPanel into a cPanel 
> environment; the cPanel version of mailman is different and won't accept 
> backups made manually.
> 
> Is this true?


Yes and No.

There is some info at
. The most important
thing is that the 'mailman' directory in cPanel is at
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman.

Importing archives is not a problem. Importing lists is an issue because
of cPanel's appending the domain to the internal listname, so you can't
just drop a mailman/lists/LISTNAME/config.pck into cPanel, even if yo
put it in
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists/LISTNAME_DOMAIN/config.pck,
because the internal name in the config.pck is wrong.

I think if you have a way to import the list membership, the way to
proceed is to create the lists in cPanel and then add the members.
Extracting the members from your existing
mailman/lists/LISTNAME/config.pck file is difficult without a mailman
installation, but you might be able to just put a config.pck in
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists/XXX/config.pck and run
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/list_members on the XXX list to
get files of regular members, plain digest members and mime digest
members which you can import to the real list via
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/add_members. Run those commands
with the --help option for details on options.

For the archives, you should be able to import them into a cPanel list
with the command '/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/arch
LISTNAME_DOMAIN /path/to/old/archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox'

Actually, you might be able to create a list in cPanel and then just
replace its lists/LISTNAME_DOMAIN/config.pck with the one from the
backup and then use /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/withlist to
'fix' attributes like _internal_name, host_name and web_page_url, but
this probably requires some knowledge of Mailman internals and trial and
error.

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[Mailman-Users] Allow posting from addresses with modifiers?

[David Gibbs via Mailman-Users]

Folks:

Anyone know if it's possible to configure MM 2.1 to allow posting with an email 
address that has a modifier?

For example ... if someone is subscribed as "john+li...@example.com", but their email 
comes from "j...@example.com", allow that address to post?

I've had some people ask me about this ability because they want to use the 
modifier address to help them filter messages.

Thanks!

david

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Allow posting from addresses with modifiers?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 1/14/19 8:40 AM, David Gibbs via Mailman-Users wrote:
> 
> Anyone know if it's possible to configure MM 2.1 to allow posting with
> an email address that has a modifier?


You can't configure Mailman to just do it without making code changes,
but there are possibilities:


> For example ... if someone is subscribed as "john+li...@example.com",
> but their email comes from "j...@example.com", allow that address to post?


To place the burden on john, he can subscribe both addresses and set
j...@example.com to nomail.

To place the burden on you, assuming you have access to Mailman's
command line tools, you could periodically (via cron) run a script to
list the members, find those with '+' in the local part and add the
address without the +... in the local part to the list's
accept_these_nonmembers. There is a script at
 (mirrored at
) that can do the
adding to accept_these_nonmembers.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Allow posting from addresses with modifiers?

[David Gibbs via Mailman-Users]

On 1/14/2019 12:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 1/14/19 8:40 AM, David Gibbs via Mailman-Users wrote:

Anyone know if it's possible to configure MM 2.1 to allow posting
with an email address that has a modifier?


You can't configure Mailman to just do it without making code
changes,


OK, thanks.

I might play around with that at some point in the future.

david

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Allow posting from addresses with modifiers?

[Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users]

On 01/14/2019 11:13 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
To place the burden on john, he can subscribe both addresses and set 
j...@example.com to nomail.


This is what I have done for many mailing lists.  —  I subscribe with 
one private address for email filtering and reply from another public 
email address.


I suggest that the member also pick one and toggle the option to hide 
(the non-public subscribed address) from other subscribers.


To place the burden on you, assuming you have access to Mailman's command 
line tools, you could periodically (via cron) run a script to list the 
members, find those with '+' in the local part and add the address without 
the +... in the local part to the list's accept_these_nonmembers. There 
is a script at  (mirrored 
at ) that can do the 
adding to accept_these_nonmembers.


I don't see any obvious security related down sides to this.  It does 
open the mailing list up to messages (spam) from some additional 
addresses.  But I can't think of any cases where u...@domain.tld would 
be different than user+det...@domain.tld.  I guess maybe some sort of 
ticketing system /might/ do something like that.  But I bet that the 
intersection between such configurations and Mailman configured as Mark 
is describing to be quite small.




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