Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 9/14/19 7:23 PM, Veronica Morris wrote:
> Here is what it says:
...> If you are a current customer of DreamHost, please contact our
> technical support team here
> 
> https://panel.dreamhost.com/support


You could try this contact with this specific issue.


> mailaddressredac...@hotmail.com>: delivery
> temporarily suspended: lost connection with
> hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com[104.47.58.33] while sending RCPT
> TO

This says hotmail's server disconnected very early in the SMTP
transaction. This says it doesn't like your IP or maybe its reverse DNS.

It is not an issue with DMARC or DKIM signing as the disconnect occurred
before any of that information was sent.

Only DreamHost can fix this.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-14 Thread Veronica Morris
Here is what it says:

Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
This is the mail system at host pdx1-mailman02.dreamhost.com.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

If you are a current customer of DreamHost, please contact our
technical support team here

https://panel.dreamhost.com/support

If you are not a customer please use our contact form at.

http://dreamhost.com/contact

If you do so, please include this email in your support ticket. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

DreamHost Email Support

mailaddressredac...@hotmail.com>: delivery
temporarily suspended: lost connection with
hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com[104.47.58.33] while sending RCPT
TO

Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin)
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On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 10:15 PM Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 9/14/19 6:33 PM, Veronica Morris wrote:
> > Ugh, now all hotmail users are being unsubbed because of bounce action.
>
>
> If you have Bounce processing -> bounce_notify_owner_on_disable set to
> Yes, the disabled notice will contain a copy of the bounce notification
> from Hotmail.  What does it say?
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 9/14/19 6:33 PM, Veronica Morris wrote:
> Ugh, now all hotmail users are being unsubbed because of bounce action.


If you have Bounce processing -> bounce_notify_owner_on_disable set to
Yes, the disabled notice will contain a copy of the bounce notification
from Hotmail.  What does it say?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-14 Thread Veronica Morris
Ugh, now all hotmail users are being unsubbed because of bounce action.
I'm guessing this may be related to the problem of delayed messages for
gmail users?  I contacted hotmail as suggested in the help for mailman.

Didn't know dreamhost could be doing more!  If what they did doesn't fix
the problem, I'll contact them and ask them about the DKIM signing.

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On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 9:23 PM Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 9/13/19 5:32 PM, Veronica Morris wrote:
> > Thanks all for the help!  I submitted a ticket with DreamHost, and below
> is
> > their reply.  I am hoping it makes a difference!
>
>
> It's typical of Nightmare er.. Dream Host.
>
>
> > Hello Veronica,
> >
> > Thanks for contacting DreamHost!
> >
> > Looking into this for you, it looks like Google is rate-limiting the
> > emails, due to the emails not being authenticated (due to it being a
> > discussion list).
>
> DreamHost should be DKIM signing outgoing mail from your domain. The
> mail being from a 'discussion list' has nothing to do with it. There's
> no reason why they can't do this other than they just don't want to.
>
> ...
> > Sep 13 13:34:01 pdx1-mailman02 postfix/smtp[19918]: A5E3A4C585D:
> > to=,
> > relay=alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[173.194.192.26]:25, delay=2380,
> > delays=2377/2/0.67/0.43, dsn=4.7.0, status=deferred (host
> > alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[173.194.192.26] said: 421-4.7.0 This
> > message does not have authentication information or fails to pass
> > 421-4.7.0 authentication checks. To best protect our users from spam, the
> > 421-4.7.0 message has been blocked. Please visit 421-4.7.0
> > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication for more 421
> > 4.7.0 information. c6si35691047iok.161 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA
> > command))
> >
> > To help with this, I have created a SPF for your domain. Please allow for
> > up to 4 hours for DNS propagation and to see if that does make a
> > difference. If there is anything else you need help with, please let me
> > know! Thanks! Have a great day!
>
>
> The SPF may help, but the mail should also be DKIM signed.  Also,
> without seeing the complete raw message headers as received from the
> list (when viewing a message in the Gmail web UI, click the 'more' icon
> - 3 vertical dots - and 'show original') I can't be sure, but there may
> be DNS issues. I.e., the IP address for list.psychdogpartners.org is
> 64.90.62.213, but a reverse lookup of that IP points to
> listserver-moon.dreamhost.com.
>
> DreamHost should be doing all the right things by default, but it
> appears they may not be.
>
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