On Sat, May 4, 2024 at 6:55 PM Carl Zwanzig <c...@tuunq.com> wrote:

> On 5/4/2024 1:45 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> > On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:54 PM Carl Zwanzig <c...@tuunq.com> wrote:
> >> Last I checked, MM3 was just not suitable for a small set of smaller
> >> lists and to be maintained by less experienced people.
> >
> > In what aspects was it not suitable? I have never encountered a document
> > stating that.
>
> Of course not, that's my opinion- every time I look at what it takes to
> install MM3, it seems like a lot of work for the results. If I need to
> run a few lists of tens of people, I don't want to spend multi-hours
> doing the setup. Kind of like using a 10 tonne lorry to move a table and
> chairs; it just doesn't make sense.
>

A lot of time? I think that's relative to the experience one has on as a
Sysadmin.
Can you try it by following -
https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html - and report
the time it took you to have a functional list?
You will most likely spend multiple hours on it when using the OS packaging
system, which is;t recommended anyway. The virtualenv method
is the recommended one.


> >> Perhaps that's changed, has it?
> > I am not able to answer that before I get the answer to my question
> above.
>
> There you have it. MM2 has been quick and easy to install and configure
> and light on the resources, MM3 appears to need a lot more. (How long
> does it take to install and configure a complete and usable MM3
> installation? What are the resources needed? At one time, I ran MM2 on a
> 90Mhz Pentium and it did the job; there's a 2006 list post about it.)
>

Again, "how long" will depend on one's familiarity with the applications
being glued together. Not standard timing.
How long does it take for MM2?


> > Did you also know that MM2 relies on Python2.7 (Recommended) which was
> > already EoLed?
>
> Um, I've known that for years, thing is MM2 -still-works-! This might be
> why there seem to be a fair number of MM2 installs out there in production.
>
> My first MM2 install was probably 18-20 years ago.
>

I had my 1st MM2 install in 2005, IIRC.


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