[Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains

2003-09-12 Thread Angel Gabriel
How can I setup mailman to use virtual domains?

If I use http://domainA.com/mailman/admin/ I get the same page as
http://domainB.com/mailman/admin

How can I set diffrent lists for diffrent domains?

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[Mailman-Users] Two mailservers on the same machine?

2003-08-19 Thread Angel Gabriel
Is it possible to run more than one copy of postfix on the same machine?
I run mailman, and whenever there is a post to the machine, for a while
people sending mail inside my subnet, can't connect to it, because all
the processes are taken up. Adding more won't help because mailman will
just use them up. Any ideas people?
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[Mailman-Users] Hotmail and Yahoo sending mail straight to junkfolders.

2003-08-14 Thread Angel Gabriel


It seems that hotmail and yahoo are sending mail from mailman straight
to junk folders, this is REAL bad, especially because it's possible to
delete junk folders without actually looking in them.

Why is this, is this because there is a bulk mail setting in the mail
header? If so, how can I stop this being written into the mail?



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[Mailman-Users] Making customs logs

2003-08-08 Thread Angel Gabriel


I would like to make a log that stores everyone that has unsubscribed. I
have noticed that my logs seem to only go back about a month. I would
like to have a permanent record, if that's possible.

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[Mailman-Users] Making an RPM

2003-08-04 Thread Angel Gabriel


I just wanted to find out if this is possible? I want to download the
latest source code for mailman, compile it, and then turn it into an
RPM, so that I can install and remove it when neccessary. How would I go
about doing this?

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[Mailman-Users] Prevent re-subscription?

2003-07-28 Thread Angel Gabriel



Is it possible to stop someone fro re-subscrib
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[Mailman-Users] Mail does not have recipient in To address

2003-07-16 Thread Angel Gabriel
When mail gets sent out on my list, it doesn't have the recipients email
address in the To field, how can I change this?


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[Mailman-Users] Custom interface - Howto?

2003-07-12 Thread Angel Gabriel

Is it possible to create a custom interface for people to subscribe, and
unsubsribe to my mailing lists?

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[Mailman-Users] Staggering delivery? Howto?

2003-07-11 Thread Angel Gabriel



Is it possible for me to set mailman to deliver, say, 20 mails a minute?
The list is a oneway list for announcements only, but as soon as people
recieve the message, they all come and check the website, which is
hosted on the same machine, this chews on my bandwith, and brings my
machine to it's knees. Sometimes the requests time out, and people get
pissed off.

I mean getting a thousand hits in the space of ten seconds is great,
it's just QoS (Quality of service) that's affected

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribed email addresses: Is there a log?

2003-07-11 Thread Angel Gabriel
I would like to have a list of all people that have unsubscribed from
some mailing lists since my list began. Is there anyway for me to get
these records?


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[Mailman-Users] How can I check if mailman is handling bouncescorrectly?

2003-07-07 Thread Angel Gabriel
How can I check if mailman is habdling bounces correctly? I have an
explicitly set return email address, so that anyone replying to the
mail, would send the mail to a monitored alias. But I also get a lot of
messages saying, undelivered mail etc. How does mailman know that these
messages are bouncing?? Or that these email addresses, are no good?
And how can I check that mailman knows this? About ten% of my list is
bouncing, and I would like to clean that up.


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[Mailman-Users] How can I check if mailman is handling bouncescorrectly?

2003-07-07 Thread Angel Gabriel



How can I check if mailman is habdling bounces correctly? I have an
explicitly set return email address, so that anyone replying to the
mail, would send the mail to a monitored alias. But I also get a lot of
messages saying, undelivered mail etc. How does mailman know that these
messages are bouncing?? Or that these email addresses, are no good?
And how can I check that mailman knows this? About ten% of my list is
bouncing, and I would like to clean that up.



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[Mailman-Users] How can I view current bouncing email addresses?

2003-06-30 Thread Angel Gabriel
I would like to know, if it is possible to see the current bouncing
email address that mailman has. And is it possible to manually remove
them from the database?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman is no longer posting messages

2003-06-19 Thread Angel Gabriel
Can you send emails from the same box that mailman is on? Does the box
accept email? These are tests that I would perform. Try sending email to
a user on the system, and then try logging into the system, and sending
mail elsewhere, and see what happens.

On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 20:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I've been an avid user of Mailman on my system for about six months now,
 and I've never had a problem with it until now.  Out of the blue, Mailman
 simply stopped posting messages.  There is nothing in the post log, and I
 there are no errors in the syslog.  In fact, just looking at the syslog,
 the mail is passed to post with no problems at all 
 
 And before anybody mentions it, I haven't altered the cron jobs in any way 
 
 Can a brotha get a witness?
 
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[Mailman-Users] MySQL?

2003-05-31 Thread Angel Gabriel
I remember reading somewhere that mailman can operate with a MySQL
backend? If that is so, they it should be possible to develop a diffrent
front end, to interface with users, add users to mailman etc etc.

Is there any truth to this??




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[Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer?

2003-01-27 Thread Angel Gabriel
Does anyone on this list have MS Exchange as a relay computer? I was
thinking that local DNS speeds up email delivery, and MS Exchange, requires
local DNS to function, so if I relayed all my mailman email via my MS
Exchange box, it should deliver the lot pretty quick, right?
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RE: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer?

2003-01-27 Thread Angel Gabriel

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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer?


* Angel Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Does anyone on this list have MS Exchange as a relay computer? I was
 thinking that local DNS speeds up email delivery, and MS Exchange,
requires
 local DNS to function, so if I relayed all my mailman email via my MS
 Exchange box, it should deliver the lot pretty quick, right?

What kind of insane idea is that? Eliminate the middleman and send
directyl! Exchange is a piss-poor piece of junk. I mean that thing
can't even speak ESMTP properly and has not proper queue management 

Angel Says:
The reason I was going to do this, is because I don't really want to
have two DNS servers on the same subnet, and email being sent by a
machine with local DNS, is going to send faster that a machine that has
to wait for DNS queries to be answered.

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[Mailman-Users] Cleaning my mailing lists

2003-01-20 Thread Angel Gabriel
I was nosing around the SpamCop website, because I was trying to report some
b*stard that keeps spamming my main address, adn I found the following
paragraphs

***
In order to avoid spamming, mailing lists must implement a secure opt-in
procedure. Many so-called opt-in lists are nothing of the sort. Beware
anyone who wants to sell you lists. You will be disappointed.

I cannot stress strongly enough the need for secure opt-in. Many web-sites
now feature click-through confirmation, or checkboxes which must be
unchecked. However the initial sign up is accomplished, whether on a web
site, or by email - the final confirmation phase must include a random code
which is emailed to the intended recipient. If that code is not returned by
the user, you must not add the address to your list. If you do not follow
this procedure, you will inevitably spam somebody, whether or not that is
your intent.

If you implement this type of secure opt-in, and one of your subscribers has
still reported your mailing as spam, please gather all the data on the
incident and report it.
If you do not have a working opt-in process, you should clean your list by
reconfirming all subscribers using a secure opt-in procedure as described
above. The most important part of this confirmation is that if a subscriber
takes no action, then that subscriber is de-listed.
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The bit that intrested me, was the final part, how can I reconfirm all my
subscribers??


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RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: Re: Cleaning my mailing lists

2003-01-20 Thread Angel Gabriel
OH OKAY! **duh** I've never got a password reminder, because I run the
lists! But I'll set up a test list and see what it looks like! I understand
now!

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Dan Wilder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]..
  Simply sending the monthly password reminder should be sufficient
 Which confirms that the recipient email address exists.  It does
 not confirm that each subscriber wanted to be on your list

The password reminder informs someone how they can unsubscribe ... so what
difference does it make?  If they don't want to be on the list anymore, they
should just unsubscribe

As long as the list policy is 'confirm' on subscribe, you know they wanted
to be subscribed in the first place

JMHO, of course

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[Mailman-Users] Local DNS vs. DNS on the same subnet

2003-01-20 Thread Angel Gabriel
I'm thinking of adding a DNS to my network, it currently doesn't have it,
some when mail outs go out they take a bit of time. What I would like to do,
is add a DNS server to the same subnet as mine, and have my DHCP server make
reference to it as the DNS server.

My question is, would it be quicker to have the DNS on the same machine as
mailman, I'm using Postfix by the way, *go postfix!*


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RE: [Mailman-Users] Local DNS vs. DNS on the same subnet

2003-01-20 Thread Angel Gabriel
Damn, this posses a problem! I'm going to have to make do with having a DNS
server on the same subnet, and when I get the chance, I'll link the two via
secondary network cards, and a seperate hub. That way, it should be as fast
as it can go.

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On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 02:22  PM, Angel Gabriel wrote:

 My question is, would it be quicker to have the DNS on the same
 machine as
 mailman,

Yes, sometimes very significantly


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RE: [Mailman-Users] no 2.1 version on Gnu FTP site?

2003-01-08 Thread Angel Gabriel
When will this RPM be produced? And where can I get it from?

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I went looking for the new 2.1 version so we can update the RedHat RPM
with it, but I was surprised that there was no 2.1 version on the GNU
FTP site, but I did find it on SourceForge. Is this an oversight?

John



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RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman- not responding to subscription confirmation

2002-10-18 Thread Angel Gabriel



Have 
you set up your aliases? You have to do this manually.

  -Original Message-From: 
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  Behalf Of Arshad KhanSent: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:04 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
  Mailman- not responding to subscription confirmation
  Hi there all,
  
  I have setup Mailman on a redhat 7.3 running 
  sendmail and pop3 server. Sendmail is configured with the default settings 
  from redhat, My problem is that Mailman sends welcome response but doesnot 
  respond to subscription confirmationrequests and as well as it doesnot 
  send any mailto a particular domain.
  Does anyone have any clue how I can sort out this 
  problem. In regards to sendmail, it allows RELAY from local host by 
  default.
  
  Arshad


[Mailman-Users] FW: Cron root@raw-talent /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg

2002-10-16 Thread Angel Gabriel

I just cleared out my HTML dir, so that I could upload a new website, and
all of a sudden I get this error? I'm guessing it's because I removed the
below directory the question is, what is it, and what does it do?? More
importantly, how do I put it back? Any help would be appreciated, thanks in
advance.


-Original Message-
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cron root@raw-talent /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg


ERROR: CFG Error in workdir, line 0: Working directory /var/www/html/mrtg
does not exist



---
Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 10/15/2002

---
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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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[Mailman-Users] Can I get messages that I have to approve forwarded to my mail?

2002-10-02 Thread Angel Gabriel

I think the subject says it all. I'd like to get mesages that I need to
approve forwarded to me, because it's possible that I may but five or six of
them together in one message, and post that out instead.

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[Mailman-Users] What does this REALLY mean??

2002-10-01 Thread Angel Gabriel

member_posting_only (privacy): Restrict posting privilege to list members?
(member_posting_only)

Use this option if you want to restrict posting to list members. If you want
list members to be able to post, plus a handful of other posters, see the
posters setting below

I took this from the help in the admin section of my mailman web interface?
Please, someone help me out, does this mean that only posts from certain
addresses will go straight out onto the list?? Or does this mean that only
certain specified addresses will have thier messages forwarded for approval,
and all others rejected. Because I would really like to have the latter!



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[Mailman-Users] Can I force password reminders?

2002-10-01 Thread Angel Gabriel

I'm guessing that this must be possible, because to the best of my knowledge
password reminders must be sent using a cron job. The problem is which one!!


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[Mailman-Users] HTML welcome messages

2002-10-01 Thread Angel Gabriel

Is it possible to have a HTML welcome message sent out to my subscribers,
instead of text based ones? I mean in get mails from Tech Republic, and they
are CRISP! It's just a thought!


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[Mailman-Users] Virus Scanning

2002-09-30 Thread Angel Gabriel


I am currently very pissed off. Okay, so it doesn't show via email, but I
have just lost my virtual domains due to exxess mail messages being sent to
people's mail boxes. Don't worry, this is NOT the fault of mail man. But the
fault of some bastard virus, which is on some, maybe even all of my
machines. I have no idea how, but about 150 emails got sent to my mailing
list... which has in excess of 100k members, and is supposed to be used for
occasional, and I mean OCCASIONAL mailouts so you can imagine how pissed
people where when they got 'mailbombed'. Apart from being extremly
embarrased, I'd like to protect my network from this type of embarrasment,
the virus came as an email attachemnt, which slipped through the local virus
scanners, and it takes just one idiot, that's right ONE, to release mayham
on the world. I have no idea how many copies of the virus was sent out, but
it had to be a LOT. What I would like to do, is to kill them at the source
or distribution, ie, sendmail. How can I add virus protection to my email
gateway, to stop them getting in, AND out?


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[Mailman-Users] How to kill the evil that is sendmail

2002-09-25 Thread Angel Gabriel

Yes you guessed it, sendmail is pissing me off!! What I would like to do, is
to get rid of all the email that sendmail is STILL strying to send. You know
when it tries to deliver mail for up to five days or whatever. I stopped
short of uninstalling it, and re-installing it in case it picks up where it
left off. I look in the mail queue, and I can't see any messages, but I look
in the logs, and it's trying addresses every hour or so. It's making me
wonder if, mailman is the culprit. Because I can't see what mailman is about
to do, I can only see the end results. It's not slowing down my machine, or
anything like that, it's just plain ANNOYING. Any ideas anyone?

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[Mailman-Users] FW: Cron mailman@raw-talent /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/senddigests

2002-09-25 Thread Angel Gabriel

What the hell is this!?!? all of a sudden I got this in my email...

-Original Message-
From: Cron Daemon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cron mailman@raw-talent /usr/bin/python -S
/var/mailman/cron/senddigests


Traceback (innermost last):
  File /var/mailman/cron/senddigests, line 65, in ?
main()
  File /var/mailman/cron/senddigests, line 42, in main
send_list_digest(mlist)
  File /var/mailman/cron/senddigests, line 46, in send_list_digest
mlist.Lock()
  File /var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 1345, in Lock
self.Load()
  File /var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 886, in Load
raise Errors.MMUnknownListError
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RE: [Mailman-Users] How to kill the evil that is sendmail

2002-09-25 Thread Angel Gabriel

Okay, I'm feeling the volcano part, and also the brutal killing of sendmails
queue. Lucky for the sendmail queue, it's empty, but I will cut and paste
that solution, and file it away in case of emergencies! How do I check
mailmans queue? I checked running proccesses to see if there where any
python related threads running over 0.1 percent, and there was none.
(begining to like the volcano idea). The thing is, NO ONE else uses the box
to send mail... they use a DIFFRENT box, and I've configured sendmail to
ONLY accept connections on the same subnet as me, so I doubt that anyone is
hacking my box from outside, and using it as an open relay. **thinks a bit,
wonders if this is REALLY secure, any comments?** The ONLY job of this box
is mailman. **Now I'm real confused**

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:29 PM
To: Angel Gabriel
Cc: Mailman
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to kill the evil that is sendmail


On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Angel Gabriel wrote:

 What I would like to do, is to get rid of all the email that sendmail
 is STILL strying to send. You know when it tries to deliver mail for
 up to five days or whatever. I stopped short of uninstalling it, and
 re-installing it in case it picks up where it left off. I look in the
 mail queue, and I can't see any messages, but I look in the logs, and
 it's trying addresses every hour or so.  It's making me wonder if,
 mailman is the culprit. Because I can't see what mailman is about to
 do, I can only see the end results. It's not slowing down my machine,
 or anything like that, it's just plain ANNOYING. Any ideas anyone?

Don't forget that with Mailman and sendmail (and, likely, any MTA)
you are talking about -two- queues: Mailman's and the MTA's.  I have
never heard of sendmail attempting to send out messages that are not
in -its- queue.  Use 'mailq' to list sendmail's queue.  Or, the
direct approach is to look in /var/spool/mqueue (or whatever you
may have configured as sendmail's queue directory).  Also, no need
to reinstall sendmail: just clean out its queue (there are nice
ways to do so, and brutal ways, too; go ahead and use the brutal
way (rm -f /var/spool/mqueue/*), since I think it'll help provide
some stress relief, too :-)

(And besides, if you do reinstall sendmail without cleaning out its
queue, yes: it will just pick up from where it left off.)

If both Mailman's and sendmail's queues are empty and the machine
-still- retries sending old messages, you have a gremlin in the
box, and you need to throw it into a volcano.  (That should also
provide a certain amount of stress relief.)  Since real gremlins
are quite rare, if in fact both Mailman's and sendmail's queues are
empty and the machine is sending out messages every hour or so,
something -else- is sending -in- new messages every hour or so.

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[Mailman-Users] Editing subject line before getting to mailman...

2002-09-24 Thread Angel Gabriel

... I would like for people to be able to subscribe to my lists by sending
an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subject
line subscribe. I know, I know, that is the address used to post to the
list, but this is a one-way list, and only I would know what address to post
to. Some people seem too DUMB to grab the concept of point and bloody click
on the website, or email to the right address, with the right commands.
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[Mailman-Users] Oh no! Multiple Emails going out to people!

2002-09-23 Thread Angel Gabriel

I would like to know, how I can strip duplicate emails out of my subscriber
list. Apparently, multiple emails are being sent out to people, and I'm not
sure how to stop this. People are getting pissed off, and are complaining


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RE: [Mailman-Users] Was Does mailman support a MySQL backend? - Now MTA tweaking!

2002-09-23 Thread Angel Gabriel

THREE T3's and a couple of T1's? Gees... you say that so causal! How can I
tell the performance of my server? I decided to send out my list over the
weekend... I came in today, *monday* and I found that a LOT of email boxes
had gotten repeat emails, and really pissed off my subscribers. And I don't
mean like two or three I mean REPEAT emails, like 12, 13. How can I found
out what caused this?

-Original Message-
From: J C Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 6:00 AM
To: Angel Gabriel
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Was Does mailman support a MySQL backend? -
Now MTA tweaking!


On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:25:01 +0100
Angel Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 1400 deliveries a minute? WOAH! What connection do you use??

Three T3s and a couple T1s.

 If that's the case with postfix, then my MTA is getting DELETED and
 replaced! even 500 deliveries a minute would be good, because that
 means around 200 minutes to deliver the lot.

Note that that rate is for responsive MXes only.

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[Mailman-Users] RE: Diagnosing duplicates [Was:Now MTA tweaking!]

2002-09-23 Thread Angel Gabriel

Okay, this is a one way list, and I can't get hold of the dups. My email
didn't get any dups, so I can't check either, and I really DON'T want to
replicate it!! I'm going to assume that the problem is my end. If it's
mailman screwing up, how can I go about cleaning my list? And if it's my
MTA, how do I fix that??


-Original Message-
From: Nigel Metheringham
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 12:52 PM
To: Angel Gabriel
Cc: Mailman (E-mail)
Subject: Diagnosing duplicates [Was:Now MTA tweaking!]


Change in subject line - its a different thread...

On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 12:32, Angel Gabriel wrote:
 I decided to send out my list over the
 weekend... I came in today, *monday* and I found that a LOT of email boxes
 had gotten repeat emails, and really pissed off my subscribers. And I
don't
 mean like two or three I mean REPEAT emails, like 12, 13. How can I found
 out what caused this?

The answer is you need to get at least 2 of the duplicates (ideally all
the duplicates that reached a single address), with the full headers -
specifically you need the received lines.

You then compare the received headers on each one and work out where the
paths of the 2 mails diverged.

This could be:-
  - the original poster sent several copies (happens quite often)
in this case you see the received lines are different
at every stage
  - the senders MTA duplicated it
(first - thats the bottom one in the message headers - received
line is exactly the same, the rest are different).
  - mailman duplicated it
(different received lines on the list delivery MTA)
  - the list delivery MTA duplicated it (subtly different)
  - someone's virus scanner reinjected it (they *must* die!!!)
  - someone's vacation mailer reinjected it (they must die and their
whole domain be blocked - actually same applies for the virus
scanner too).

There are other possibilities too... and never underestimate how
determined some idiots can be to loop your mail.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?

2002-09-20 Thread Angel Gabriel

Version 2.1? Okay, what I'm going to do is have a look around the net for
more info on this. Having a MySQL backend should ease a few performance
issues. Also I got a mail from someone saying that sending out about 100k
mails with a few bad ones would bring my server to it's knees... hmm... that
is SO not good! But it has one function, yep you guessed it, it's my mail
server, and that's all it does. It runs a samba client, but that's just so
that my windows boxes can see it. What would be a better MTA to use? Any
recommendations?

-Original Message-
From: Harold Paulson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Angel Gabriel
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?


Angel,

For what it's worth...

Mailman 2.1 is supposed to be able to use alternative backends (such
as MySQL) to store user information.  However, I haven't actually
seen this working yet.

Personally, I have given up on using Mailman for large broadcast-only
lists.  Mailman seems to do a lot of things based on the assumption
that it's being used for an interactive list.  Configuring it for
broadcasting tends to be a lot of work.  I use a custom-built
Perl+PHP+MySQL thingy I wrote, for large broadcast lists these days.

On a side note, if you are planning to send to a list of 100k+
addresses with a large number of bad ones, you had better be using
something other than Sendmail.  It *will* bring your machine to it's
knees spawning a limitless number of queue running processes[1].

Good luck!  :)

- H

Note:
[1] If someone would like to contradict me on this point, I'd love to
hear your argument, and see what config you suggest.  Seriously, I
really would like to see a solution.  Please include more than
MAX_DAEMON_CHILDREN, QUEUE_LA, or REFUSE_LA in your answer, since
they do not seem affect queue runs.



I'm using RH 7.3 and I have a DSL line @ 256k upload - I havn't even
attempted to send messages to list anymore, because I can't even get the
web
interface to come up, it times out. I adjusted the cf files manually to
show
3000 addresses per page, and STILL the pages time out. I'm thinking of
using
a diffrent application to send out my email. I know a lot of the addresses
are going to bounce, and that is REALLY going to mess up performance, it's
such a shame, we've spent FOUR years collecting these addreses, from 16
diffrenct universities up and down England. The thing that worries me, is
the bouncing mail, I don't mind if my server takes three days to send all
the mail, it's a one way list, I just want to increase performance when it
comes to admin tasks.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan Wilder
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:17 PM
To: Mailman (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?


On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 05:35:19PM +0100, Angel Gabriel wrote:
  I was wondering if mailman supports a MySQL backend, because one of my
lists
  has hit over 100k addresses, and performance is REALLY bad. If mailman
  doesn't support a MySQL backend, does anyone know of any mailing list
  managers that do?? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in adance.

Do you know whether it's mailman, or your MUA that's the sticky
wicket?

We have one list with 20,000 subscribers.  It used to take several
days to get everybody out.  Inspection revealed it was the MTA,
Postfix, which needed load tuning, and also the Linux kernel,
which needed some kernel parameters bumped up to allow Postfix
the elbow room to run 150 concurrent delivery processes.

Now it takes about three hours for most of the good addresses
on the list to get delivered.  The sticky wicket is the internet
connection, which also supports telecommuters, so we've had
to tune the mailserver to stop short of saturating the connection.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Was Does mailman support a MySQL backend? - Now MTA tweaking!

2002-09-20 Thread Angel Gabriel

Thanks for the prompt reply, and I'm talking to all the personal emails I've
recieved!! It's seems that it is a matter of personal  prefrance as to the
MTA to use... which just left me stuck!! So, I'm gonna stick with sendmail,
and add a little hack to stop all the DNS lookups. Hopefully that should
increase performance slightly, or at least run a cache nameserver, which
should have the same effect of increasing performance, by reducing the time
wasted waiting for responses. I expect about 30% of the list to bounce.
given that the list is old, and has been gathering some serious digital
dust! I also read someone amoung the many pages, that mailman uses it's own
delivery mechanism... is that correct? Because if it is, why use an external
MTA?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of J C Lawrence
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 5:16 PM
To: Angel Gabriel
Cc: Mailman (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?


On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:18:25 +0100
Angel Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What would be a better MTA to use? Any recommendations?

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

As stated there I generically recommend both Exim and Postfix, for the
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[Mailman-Users] An idea, what do you guys think??

2002-09-20 Thread Angel Gabriel

Okay, I'm sorry i've posted so much to the list recently, please forgive
me!! After some research, it's has been decidede that postfix is the best
MTA, as in it has great security, and it has been recommended on quite a few
webpages. Problem is, i'm not going to change everything over now. I'll do
that in a few days time.
I've decided that I'm going to use a seperate application to send my mail,
and make it look like mailman sent it, so that any bouncing mail would be
recieved by my mailman box. If I've missed anything crucial, feel free to
make me feel like an idiot!!


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RE: [Mailman-Users] Was Does mailman support a MySQL backend? - Now MTA tweaking!

2002-09-20 Thread Angel Gabriel

I would like to know how I can check the performance of my mail server.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of J C Lawrence
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 6:08 PM
To: Angel Gabriel
Cc: Mailman (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Was Does mailman support a MySQL backend? -
Now MTA tweaking!


On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:55:31 +0100
Angel Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's seems that it is a matter of personal prefrance as to the MTA to
 use... which just left me stuck!!

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.002.htp
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.002.htp
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.003.htp
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.004.htp
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.006.htp

  ObNote: I regularly sustain 1,400 deliveries per minute or better with
  both Exim and Postfix.  At times, depending on target MX distribution,
  I've sustained just over 2,100 deliveries per minute.

  Caveats: I have a unusual distribution of target MXes and users.
  Example: AOL+MSN+HotMail+Yahoo together forms less than 3% of my
  subscriber base.

 I also read someone amoung the many pages, that mailman uses it's own
 delivery mechanism... is that correct?

Yes, just to get to the MTA that will do final delivery.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] An idea, what do you guys think??

2002-09-20 Thread Angel Gabriel

I see what you mean... hmm in that case, I better include email based
unsubscribe procedures then, and hopefully people would use that, instead of
the webbased interface, because your right, they'd all be fighting for the
same bandwith at the same time. Hmm... more problems!

-Original Message-
From: Harold Paulson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:00 PM
To: Mailman (E-mail)
Cc: Angel Gabriel
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] An idea, what do you guys think??


Angel,

Actually, Mailman tends to work pretty solidly for sending out
emails.  It all likelihood, it will be faster than your net
connection can handle.  Mailman should be able to pass all of it's
messages off to Postfix in a reasonable amount of time.  Then Postfix
will spend a few hours delivering the emails to the right places.

You may run in problems when a thousand subscribers can't remember
ever signing up for your list, and all decide to unsubscribe at the
same time.  You are likely to get a situation where 10 different
Apache processes and the Mailman queue_runner processing bounces, are
all trying to get exclusive access to one huge userlist.

This will all be exacerbated Postfix, Mailman and Apache all fighting
for a share of the limited bandwidth.

- H


At 6:11 PM +0100 9/20/02, Angel Gabriel wrote:
Okay, I'm sorry i've posted so much to the list recently, please forgive
me!! After some research, it's has been decidede that postfix is the best
MTA, as in it has great security, and it has been recommended on quite a
few
webpages. Problem is, i'm not going to change everything over now. I'll do
that in a few days time.
I've decided that I'm going to use a seperate application to send my mail,
and make it look like mailman sent it, so that any bouncing mail would be
recieved by my mailman box. If I've missed anything crucial, feel free to
make me feel like an idiot!!


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[Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?

2002-09-19 Thread Angel Gabriel

I was wondering if mailman supports a MySQL backend, because one of my lists
has hit over 100k addresses, and performance is REALLY bad. If mailman
doesn't support a MySQL backend, does anyone know of any mailing list
managers that do?? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in adance.


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RE: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?

2002-09-19 Thread Angel Gabriel


I'm using RH 7.3 and I have a DSL line @ 256k upload - I havn't even
attempted to send messages to list anymore, because I can't even get the web
interface to come up, it times out. I adjusted the cf files manually to show
3000 addresses per page, and STILL the pages time out. I'm thinking of using
a diffrent application to send out my email. I know a lot of the addresses
are going to bounce, and that is REALLY going to mess up performance, it's
such a shame, we've spent FOUR years collecting these addreses, from 16
diffrenct universities up and down England. The thing that worries me, is
the bouncing mail, I don't mind if my server takes three days to send all
the mail, it's a one way list, I just want to increase performance when it
comes to admin tasks.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan Wilder
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:17 PM
To: Mailman (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?


On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 05:35:19PM +0100, Angel Gabriel wrote:
 I was wondering if mailman supports a MySQL backend, because one of my
lists
 has hit over 100k addresses, and performance is REALLY bad. If mailman
 doesn't support a MySQL backend, does anyone know of any mailing list
 managers that do?? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in adance.

Do you know whether it's mailman, or your MUA that's the sticky
wicket?

We have one list with 20,000 subscribers.  It used to take several
days to get everybody out.  Inspection revealed it was the MTA,
Postfix, which needed load tuning, and also the Linux kernel,
which needed some kernel parameters bumped up to allow Postfix
the elbow room to run 150 concurrent delivery processes.

Now it takes about three hours for most of the good addresses
on the list to get delivered.  The sticky wicket is the internet
connection, which also supports telecommuters, so we've had
to tune the mailserver to stop short of saturating the connection.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?

2002-09-18 Thread Angel Gabriel

Could someone explain to me what VERP is?? lol thanks!

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 JCL == J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 ... I'm not sure if future versions will.

JCL v2.1 Improves on this situation significantly -- not to the
JCL level of full VERP, but close.

Bounce detection is of course only half the game.  MM2.1 significantly
improves how bounces are handled after they're detected (either by
pattern match or verp match).

-Barry

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[Mailman-Users] Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?

2002-09-17 Thread Angel Gabriel

I'd like to know how bouncing mail is treated, is it removed from the list?
Will I be notified of each bouncing address?? How long before it's taken off
the list? What about people who use web mail, can mailman tell the
difference between an error because of a full mailbox, and an error because
of a non existent user?


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[Mailman-Users] List too big to load...

2002-09-11 Thread Angel Gabriel

... is it possible for a list to get too big to load via the web interface?
I can't go to my member managment window, my browser just hangs, and then
after about 3 minutes, it times out. Is it possible to manage the list from
the command line? I just wnt to know how many people are on the list, and
also stop them from posting. (It's an announce list)


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[Mailman-Users] Migrating a list...

2002-09-10 Thread Angel Gabriel

I have about 3k emaill addresses, that I want to put on a mailman list.
These have been collated from a web form, and are stored in a txt file, one
after the other. I attempted to add them via the web interface, but that
seemed to mess up mailman, until I removed the list. Is there any other way
to add the addresses?


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[Mailman-Users] Auto Subscribe

2002-09-09 Thread Angel Gabriel

Is it possible to have users automatically subscribed to my lists? I found
that a lot of people do not understand how to send commands via email, and
it is not possible for people to access my webservers at the moment.
Basically, I would like to create the following scenario.

User sends email to a address I set up.
User gets subscribed to mailing list.

I'm not worried about spoofed addresses, or bouncing addresses, or abuse.
The people this list are for, can just about work thier mobile phones. Any
help would be appreciated.


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[Mailman-Users] Changing the default messages.

2002-09-09 Thread Angel Gabriel

Is it possible to change the default messages that are provided by mailman?
Basically, I want to simplify the instructions ie make them step by step,
and cut out some of the text.


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[Mailman-Users] Mail Man Problems - No aliases being created.

2002-09-07 Thread Angel Gabriel

Everytime I create a new list, no aliases are being added to sendmail. Mail
cannot be recieved, and I get user not found. Any advice would be
appreciated.


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