[Mailman-Users] Header too large
All of a sudden I'm seeing the message headers too large (32768 max) from localhost during message collect: 2640 Time(s) In the logwatch email I get each day. Not sure why I'm seeing this and why it keeps repeating. Any ideas? Bruce -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] delays in mailman sending out email
I'm running Mailman 2.1.7 In the past month or two. I'm seeing Mailman delaying sending out messages. In the logs I see where it's posted, then in /var/logs/maillog I see sending start immediately and then somewhere along the line a delay of an hour or two, then it finishes sending. Or it delays initially then starts sending. This hasn't been happening in the past. We in the process of moving a lot of our mail users to O365 Not sure what's going on or how best to troubleshoot. Any ideas? Bruce Harrison Univ of Tennessee at Martin Post Log Mar 03 13:34:57 2017 (1223) post to information from mun...@utm.edu<mailto:mun...@utm.edu>, size=37061, message-id=<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu<mailto:320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu>>, success log /var/logs/maillog Mar 3 09:11:23 mailman sendmail[17197]: v23FBNsO017197: from=<mun...@utm.edu<mailto:mun...@utm.edu>>, size=35583, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu<mailto:320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu>>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=mail-dm3nam03lp0023.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.23] Mar 3 13:34:56 mailman sendmail[22801]: v23JYu9r022801: from=<information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu<mailto:information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu>>, size=37061, class=-30, nrcpts=150, msgid=<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu<mailto:320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu>>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged) Mar 3 13:34:56 mailman sendmail[22801]: v23JYu9s022801: from=<information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu<mailto:information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu>>, size=37061, class=-30, nrcpts=500, msgid=<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu<mailto:320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu>>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged) Mar 3 13:34:57 mailman sendmail[22801]: v23JYu9t022801: from=<information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu<mailto:information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu>>, size=37061, class=-30, nrcpts=500, msgid=<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu<mailto:320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu>>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged) Mar 3 13:34:57 mailman sendmail[22801]: v23JYu9u022801: from=<information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu<mailto:information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu>>, size=37061, class=-30, nrcpts=500, msgid=<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu<mailto:320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu>>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged) Mar 3 13:34:57 mailman sendmail[22801]: v23JYu9v022801: from=<information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu<mailto:information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu>>, size=37061, class=-30, nrcpts=8, msgid=<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu<mailto:320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu>>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged) Mar 3 13:34:57 mailman sendmail[22801]: v23JYu9w022801: from=<information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu<mailto:information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu>>, size=37061, class=-30, nrcpts=7, msgid=<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu<mailto:320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu>>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged) Mar 3 13:35:02 mailman sendmail[22811]: v23JYu9v022801: to=<trinitypr...@frontiernet.net<mailto:trinitypr...@frontiernet.net>>,<mcoch...@wljt.org<mailto:mcoch...@wljt.org>>,<khi...@utfcu.org<mailto:khi...@utfcu.org>>,<trinitypas...@frontiernet.net<mailto:trinitypas...@frontiernet.net>>,<mshum...@wljt.org<mailto:mshum...@wljt.org>>,<mnpe...@comcast.net<mailto:mnpe...@comcast.net>>,<mre...@wljt.org<mailto:mre...@wljt.org>>,<mfi...@charter.net<mailto:mfi...@charter.net>>, delay=00:00:05, xdelay=00:00:05, mailer=relay, pri=331061, relay=xmail.utm.edu. [10.51.0.154], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu<mailto:320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu>> [InternalId=7717462] Queued mail for delivery) Mar 3 13:35:02 mailman sendmail[22805]: v23JYu9s022801: to=<thibb...@utm.edu<mailto:thibb...@utm.edu>>,<clove...@utm.edu<mailto:clove...@utm.edu>>,<dahen...@utm.edu<mailto:dahen...@utm.edu>>,<mbro...@utm.edu<mailto:mbro...@utm.edu>>,<afull.
[Mailman-Users] delay on mailman sending out messages
I'm running Mailman 2.1.7 In the past month or two. I'm seeing Mailman delaying sending out messages. In the logs I see where it's posted, then in /var/logs/maillog I see sending start immediately and then somewhere along the line a delay of an hour or two, then it finishes sending. Or it delays initially then starts sending. This hasn't been happening in the past. We in the process of moving a lot of our mail users to O365 Not sure what's going on or how best to troubleshoot. Any ideas? Bruce Harrison Univ of Tennessee at Martin Post Log Mar 03 13:34:57 2017 (1223) post to information from mun...@utm.edu, size=37061, message-id=<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu>, success log /var/logs/maillog Mar 3 09:11:23 mailman sendmail[17197]: v23FBNsO017197: from=<mun...@utm.edu>, size=35583, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=mail-dm3nam03lp0023.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.23] Mar 3 13:34:56 mailman sendmail[22801]: v23JYu9r022801: from=<information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu>, size=37061, class=-30, nrcpts=150, msgid=<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged) Mar 3 13:34:56 mailman sendmail[22801]: v23JYu9s022801: from=<information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu>, size=37061, class=-30, nrcpts=500, msgid=<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged) Mar 3 13:34:57 mailman sendmail[22801]: v23JYu9t022801: from=<information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu>, size=37061, class=-30, nrcpts=500, msgid=<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged) Mar 3 13:34:57 mailman sendmail[22801]: v23JYu9u022801: from=<information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu>, size=37061, class=-30, nrcpts=500, msgid=<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged) Mar 3 13:34:57 mailman sendmail[22801]: v23JYu9v022801: from=<information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu>, size=37061, class=-30, nrcpts=8, msgid=<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged) Mar 3 13:34:57 mailman sendmail[22801]: v23JYu9w022801: from=<information-boun...@mailman.utm.edu>, size=37061, class=-30, nrcpts=7, msgid=<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged) Mar 3 13:35:02 mailman sendmail[22811]: v23JYu9v022801: to=<trinitypr...@frontiernet.net>,<mcoch...@wljt.org>,<khi...@utfcu.org>,<trinitypas...@frontiernet.net>,<mshum...@wljt.org>,<mnpe...@comcast.net>,<mre...@wljt.org>,<mfi...@charter.net>, delay=00:00:05, xdelay=00:00:05, mailer=relay, pri=331061, relay=xmail.utm.edu. [10.51.0.154], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu> [InternalId=7717462] Queued mail for delivery) Mar 3 13:35:02 mailman sendmail[22805]: v23JYu9s022801: to=<thibb...@utm.edu>,<clove...@utm.edu>,<dahen...@utm.edu>,<mbro...@utm.edu>,<afull...@utm.edu>,<kroud...@utm.edu>,<bjohn...@utm.edu>,<nda...@utm.edu>,<jimer...@utm.edu>,<sburl...@utm.edu>,<thutc...@utm.edu>,<hche...@utm.edu>,<nashb...@utm.edu>,<mpari...@utm.edu>,<jjohn...@utm.edu>,<tgall...@utm.edu>,<sgold...@utm.edu>,<agard...@utm.edu>,<ddietr...@utm.edu>,<jfish...@utm.edu>,<ahuff...@utm.edu>,<kwhee...@utm.edu>,<lmccur...@utm.edu>,<kelmw...@ut.utm.edu>,<khamm...@utm.edu>,<jscot...@utm.edu>,<arich...@utm.edu>,<rprui...@utm.edu>,<ewhee...@utm.edu>,<lgib...@utm.edu>,<shalk...@utm.edu>,<akel...@utm.edu>,<phew...@utm.edu>,<da...@utm.edu>,<drya...@utm.edu>,<jda...@utm.edu>, [more], delay=00:00:06, xdelay=00:00:06, mailer=relay, pri=15091061, relay=xmail.utm.edu. [10.51.0.154], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (<320e686fea4720449a309fc08fc6f49d01023d5...@exch2010mbox2.utm.edu> [InternalId=7717459] Queued mail for delivery) . . . Mar 3 13:35:30 mailman sendmail[22805]: v23JYu9s022801: to=<jjone...@utm.edu>,<pwatk...@utm.edu>,<dmccu...@utm.edu>,<dwilliams-b...@utm.edu>,<jbyr...@utm.edu>,<ajohn...@utm.edu>,<jgoy...@utm.edu>,<sh...@utm.edu>,<mgib...@utm.edu>,<jhend...@utm.edu>,<bgi...@utm.edu>,<lwar...@utm.edu>,<mtray...@utm.edu>,<ble...@utm.edu>,<jjohn...@utm.edu>,<
[Mailman-Users] IT Services Awareness Alert] Another Phishing Email Circulating
Campus Community: There is another interesting Phishing Email circulating on campus. I have included the email below. Please notice the "From:" address as it is not from the UT Martin Helpdesk or anyone on our campus. Please just delete the email and don't click where it says "Click Here". (I have removed the hyperlinks from the message below) If you received the email and clicked on the link, please give the helpdesk a call at 7900 as soon as you can - and remember, the UT Martin Helpdesk will never ask you to send your password over email. Thanks! Information Technology Services -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] strange postings to non-existant lists
For the last month or two, I get anywhere from 3 or 4 to 20 to 30 postings to non-existent lists on our mailman server. I've been reading of course about the subscribe spamming that folks have been talking about. Is this just someone poking at our mailman machine trying to find something to send spam to, or something more sinister? We use Microsoft filtering for spam, viruses, etc. so all mail I see comes from one of their servers. It's not causing any problems, but just strange to me. Comments? Bruce Harrison Univ. of Tennessee at Maritn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] strange postings to non-existant lists
Interesting, I may give SpamAssassin a look. Thanks! Mine are almost always mail to invalid lists. My box talks to our local mail processor, which in turn runs off-campus thru the MS filters/scanners and on out. Bruce UTM -Original Message- From: Andrew Hodgson [mailto:and...@hodgsonfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 8:58 AM To: Bruce Harrison; mailman-users@python.org Subject: RE: strange postings to non-existant lists Bruce Harrison wrote: >For the last month or two, I get anywhere from 3 or 4 to 20 to 30 postings to >non-existent lists on our mailman server. I've been reading of course about >the subscribe spamming that folks have been talking about. >Is this just someone poking at our mailman machine trying to find something to >send spam to, or something more sinister? We use Microsoft filtering for >spam, viruses, etc. so all mail I see comes from one of their servers. >It's not causing any problems, but just strange to me. I haven't seen spammers subscribe to the lists properly (i.e, respond to the Mailman response), but I've had a lot of messages going to invalid users at the list domains and also to the subscribe/unsubscribe/request address, which was creating a lot of backscatter. >From my point of view I want to try and avoid accepting and processing spam >mail and mail to invalid lists/recipients to try and avoid backscatter. I >installed a local copy of SpamAssassin which seems to be working really well >and rejects spam over a score of around 7. This seems to let list traffic >through whilst blocking the spam messages. I also removed frontline MX >servers from the lists domain so they get handled by the Exim server doing the >processing, so that any 5XX response that the server sends out causes the spam >server to give up, rather than a frontline MX server having to generate the >NDR and send it out to the probably innocent party. To this end we used to >use MS Office 365 spam scanning on the list domains, but don't use it anymore >for this reason. Hope this helps, Andrew. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] strange postings to non-existant lists
These are just random addresses, never existed on my mailman machine. Incoming gets filtered by Microsoft setup. Bruce UTM -Original Message- From: Andrew Hodgson [mailto:and...@hodgsonfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 12:23 PM To: Bruce Harrison; mailman-users@python.org Subject: RE: strange postings to non-existant lists Bruce Harrison wrote: >Interesting, I may give SpamAssassin a look. Thanks! One thing here which I forgot is if your machine is not receiving mail directly, you may have less luck with SpamAssassin due to the mail always coming in from a downstream server. It is easy to overcome but needs more configuration. >Mine are almost always mail to invalid lists. Are these lists which used to exist, or just random addresses on the system? >My box talks to our local mail processor, which in turn runs off-campus thru >the MS filters/scanners and on out. It's incoming mail we're interested in here, does that get handled directly or via filtering machines to? Andrew. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] mailman logs, mail flow into/out of mailman
Have had to do some tracking of mailman activity for management. I'm familiar with the mailman logs, web server access_log, and linux sendmail logs. Is there any place where the flow of mail into and out of mailman, along with when log entries are made, documented anywhere? Especially a moderated message. Qrunner activity, that kind of thing. I've poked around the FAQ and other things online, but didn't find much. I did find some mailman 3 info though (I'm 2.1.7) Bruce Harrison UT Martin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman logs, mail flow into/out of mailman
Thanks! Let me work thru this and I'll email with any specific questions. Bruce -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+harrison=utm@python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:50 AM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman logs, mail flow into/out of mailman On 09/24/2014 07:34 AM, Bruce Harrison wrote: Have had to do some tracking of mailman activity for management. I'm familiar with the mailman logs, web server access_log, and linux sendmail logs. Is there any place where the flow of mail into and out of mailman, along with when log entries are made, documented anywhere? There is some documentation at the front of Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py, but it's not exactly what you're looking for. Here's a brief summary (perhaps a new FAQ is called for). 1) A message arrives addressed to the list posting address. The incoming MTA puts it in qfiles/in/ or whatever the incoming queue is named. This is normally logged in the MTA logs. 2) IncomingRunner (Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py) picks up the queue entry and processes the message through a series of handlers (Mailman/Handlers/*.py) as defined by GLOBAL_PIPELINE or the list's pipeline attribute if any. 3) Any handler can hold, reject or discard the message. These events are normally logged in Mailman's vette log. If the message is rejected or discarded, we're done. If it is held, see below. Otherwise the message is passed to the next handler in the pipeline. 4) Eventually the message passes through the ToDigest handler which adds it to the list's digest.mbox and my trigger a digest on size; the ToArchive handler which queues it in the archive queue for ArchRunner; the ToUsenet handler which may queue it in the news queue for NewsRunner; the Acknowledge handler which sends an acknowledgement to the poster if the poster's option is set, and the ToOutgoing handler which queues it in the out queue for OutgoingRunner which delivers the post and writes the 'post' and 'smtp' and maybe ''smtp-failure' log entries. 5) Messages which are held can be handled by the admindb web UI or via email. In any case, disposition is generally logged in the 'vette' log and if the message is approved, it is processed through the remainder of the pipeline following the handler that held it. 6) Any handler could write to the 'error' log. Let me know if you want more detail on any of this. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/harrison%40utm.edu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Get newer version of Mailman for Debian 6?
I'd be interested as well. Bruce Harrison UT Martin -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+harrison=utm@python.org] On Behalf Of Terry Earley Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:40 AM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Get newer version of Mailman for Debian 6? Barry, It took me a while to determine what to do, but after I had built and tested the package, I had no problems building packages for subsequent Mailman releases. IIRC, the last Mailman for which I built a package was 2.1.14. I do not know if any changes since then would require changes to the package-build process. I have details on what I did, if anyone is interested. Our Ubuntu server will need to take an upgrade from 2.1.14 to 2.1.18-1, so your instructions on building Debian packages will be very helpful to us at least. Thanks in advance. Terry Earley 801 810-4175 Donate to FitEyes http://www.fiteyes.com/community/donate-to-fiteyes On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Barry S. Finkel bsfin...@att.net wrote: On 5/14/2014 2:40 PM, Sascha Rissel wrote: Hello there, I am running a vServer on Debian6. Via apt-get install mailman I installed and set up Mailman 2.1.13, which is running fine with 5 mailing lists on my server. Motivated by all those discussions about Yahoo's DMARC on this list, I wondered whether I can upgrade my Mailman installation to a newer version. I tried apt-get update and apt-get upgrade but I did not receive a newer version of Mailman. Unfortunately I don't consider myself as good enough in Linux usage, to be able to build Mailman binaries from scratch on my own. Indeed I tried, but already upon executing configure (Step 3 in Mailman's installation guidehttp://list.org/mailman-install/node7.html) I got a python warning Distutils is not available or is incomplete which seems to tell me I should install another Python environment. So I came to the point when I decided that compiling Mailman on my own is too complicated for me, because in the end I definitely want a bug-free installation of Mailman. Is there maybe an easier way to get a more recent version of Mailman for my server? In advance, thanks for your help! Sascha. When I was running a Mailman server on an Ubuntu box, I was forced to install via a package. But I did some research on the Debian/Ubuntu package to see what was in it. There were many patches that were undocumented, and there was one patch that deleted a library that, in some cases, is required. So, I decided to build my own package from the SourceForge source. That way, I would know EXACTLY what the source was, and I could get support from this discussion list. It took me a while to determine what to do, but after I had built and tested the package, I had no problems building packages for subsequent Mailman releases. IIRC, the last Mailman for which I built a package was 2.1.14. I do not know if any changes since then would require changes to the package-build process. I have details on what I did, if anyone is interested. --Barry Finkel -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ terry%40fiteyes.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/harrison%40utm.edu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] sendmail and mailman mail0-wrapper
Installing a new version of mailman on a new virtual machine (debian 4.6.3-14), and Mailman is complaining of a group mismatch error on the mail-wrapper. System is executing as mail and mailman wants it executed as mailman group. Looked for the smrsh config in sendmail, but this version on Debian seems not to use that. Also can't get sendmail to accept remote connections. Localhost works fine. Telnet to port 25 on host works fine. Remote telnet gets 554 mailman2.xxx.xxx ESMTP not accepting messages Looked at various pages on the web for sendmail and mailman, but not finding much. I'm convinced it's a setting in sendmail,but... no idea what it is. Any sendmail experts out there? Bruce Harrison UT Martin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] building a new mailman server
Thanks to all who replied. Since I've used sendmail and have limited experience with it, I decided to go with that. Less variables in the mix! :) Anyway, proceeded with the install and got to make install, which failed with Permission denied for the mkdir commands. I'm running from a non-root userid who has a membership in the mailman group. The directory /usr/local/mailman has rws privs for the mailman group (but is owned by root). Do I need to do a sudo make install or am I missing some type of privilege setting? Bruce UTM -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] building a new mailman server
We are currently running an old mailman instance and am planning to bring up the newest version of mailman and migrate to it. Current system uses sendmail. Since I now have a chance to change things, what is the best mail server to run on my mailman box? It will be talking to an exchange 2010 frontend server (current mailman system is doing that now). I can install sendmail or go with postfix or ??? This is running on a debian box. Bruce Harrison UT Martin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Manual Weiel's moderating app?
Link came back as not available in both the US and German iTunes store... Bruce UT Martin -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+harrison=utm@python.org] On Behalf Of Mailman Admin Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 4:44 AM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Manual Weiel's moderating app? Hello Peter Shute Am 2014-01-13 02:21, schrieb Peter Shute: I came across this thread about a moderating app written by Manuel Weiel: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg60445.html I can't find it in the App Store. Is it still available somehow? Did you try the given Link? http://cl.ly/DyCl Kind regards, Christian Mack -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/harrison%40utm.edu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] strange problem
Thanks for the info. We'll keep looking, but it's not a big deal. Haven't seen it again... Bruce utmOITS On Mar 14, 2013, at 8:05 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: I hope the voice recognition on my phone works well for this I have unusual challenges at the moment so this is the best I can do as a response . here's my theory. outlook makes a compliant message with the CC header that happens to be folded on the white space in the middle of a display name . some agent other than mailman, because mailman doesn't do it according to my tests at least with the email package I test it with , sees the hanging first part of the display name at the end of the first line of the CC header and interprets that as a local address and then qualifies it with the domain whatever agent or appliance this is lives within the same domain as the mailman server. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] strange problem
That's the strange part, Judy does not appear in the Sent folder msg at all. Bruce utmOITS On Mar 14, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: On 3/14/2013 3:22 PM, Bruce Harrison wrote: j...@mailman.utm.edu was not in the Sent folder message at all. We understand that and never expected it to be. The question is in exactly what context in the Cc: in the sent folder is Judy found. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
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From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:38 AM
To: Bruce Harrison
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] strange problem
Bruce Harrison wrote
I'll keep watching it. I have a feeling outlook autocomplete might be
involved. However in the outlook sent folder, the bogus address isn't shown...
What exactly is in the headers in the outlook sent folder?
Does the string 'Thomas' or whatever the local part of the bogas address is
appear anywhere in the headers of the message in the outlook sent folder?
I think you misunderstand what I was suggesting? I was suggesting a Cc:
of the form Thomas, Bill bill.tho...@example.com. I.e. an address like
bill.tho...@example.com with a display name of Thomas, Bill, but
improperly/incompletely quoted so that it is actually two addresses; the
address bill.tho...@example.com with display name Bill and the local address
Thomas.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] strange problem
Interesting... jsande...@utm.edu is a good address I'm still suspecting the autocomplete in Outlook, but we can't make it repeat. We've also seen this happen on both a Mac and a PC, with 2-3 different people... Bruce -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:13 PM To: Bruce Harrison Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] strange problem On 3/14/2013 9:39 AM, Bruce Harrison wrote: Below is a message showing the problem and then it's headers. In this message, the bogus email address is j...@mailman.utm.edu I just noticed something else. MESSAGE [...] Cc: Judy Sandefer jsande...@utm.edu, j...@mailman.utm.edu j...@mailman.utm.edu, Edie Gibson edgib...@utm.edu, Thomas Rakes tra...@utm.edu This Cc:, apparently shown by outlook or ?? shows Judy Sandefer jsande...@utm.edu, HEADERS [...] CC: Sandefer jsande...@utm.edu, j...@mailman.utm.edu, Edie Gibson edgib...@utm.edu, Thomas Rakes tra...@utm.edu Whereas this one shows only Sandefer jsande...@utm.edu,. I.e., it appears that for some reason, something has separated the Judy from the display name Judy Sandifer and is treating it as a separate, local address. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] strange problem
Stephen,
Thanks for a good, detailed explanation. Our one remaining Barracuda boxes is
an outgoing mail filter, used mainly to keep a bad users or malware from
spamming from a utm.edu address.We'll be moving to FOPE with Microsoft in
the future (currently does our in-bound mail filtering).
In Outlook, you can open a mail message, then have it display the actual
headers. When looking at a Sent message, there are no headers at all.
Appears to me it just shows what's in the text, including the To:, From:, etc.
no real mail headers we can find.
I don't know why the headers are repeated... I'm copying our Exchange guy on
this note, he may have some ideas.
My mailman box, uses it's own localhost SMTP agent to handle it's mail. SMTP
then connects to our main incoming mail host (mx1.utm.edu or xmail.utm.edu).
The CAS boxes are of course the CAS servers for Exchange.
I realize my info is somewhat incomplete. The next time it happens, I’m going
to try and track it from start to finish, etc.
We'll see what happens...
Bruce
UTM
-Original Message-
From: Stephen J. Turnbull [mailto:step...@xemacs.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 2:09 PM
To: Bruce Harrison
Cc: Mark Sapiro; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] strange problem
I see the conversation has continued as I wrote. I'll try to avoid
duplication, but it would be a mess to rewrite the whole thing.
Bruce Harrison writes:
OK, there are no headers in the Sent folder as the mail message gets
copied in there before it goes thru the mail systems, so nothing header
wise to see there.
As Mark says, there must be some addressee information somewhere, otherwise the
Sent folder couldn't display To and Cc information for you. That's the
information we need to see.
Below is a message showing the problem and then it's headers. In this
message, the bogus email address is j...@mailman.utm.edu MESSAGE
From: Terry Lewis tle...@utm.edu Date: Wednesday, March 13,
2013 7:31 AM To: utmc...@mailman.utm.edu utmc...@mailman.utm.edu
Cc: Judy Sandefer jsande...@utm.edu, j...@mailman.utm.edu
j...@mailman.utm.edu, Edie Gibson edgib...@utm.edu, Thomas Rakes
tra...@utm.edu Subject: [utmcc-l] Nicholas Fortner
HEADERS
I've cleaned up to include only information I've used, but thank you for
sending the complete headers.
I don't understand why the EXCH2010CAS2 - mxout1 field is repeated; I guess
that has something to do with spam filtering since mxout1 identifies itself
differently in the two fields (not shown here).
Ditto the mail from mailman.utm.edu to itself.
Received: from mailman.utm.edu by EXCH2010CAS1.utm.edu Received: from
mailman.utm.edu by mailman.utm.edu Received: from mxout1.utm.edu by
mailman.utm.edu Received: from EXCH2010CAS2.utm.edu by mxout1.utm.edu
Received: from EXCH2010CAS2.utm.edu by mxout1.utm.edu Received: from
EXCH2010MBOX1.utm.edu by EXCH2010CAS2.utm.edu From: Terry Lewis
tle...@utm.edu To: 'utmc...@mailman.utm.edu'
utmc...@mailman.utm.edu X-Barracuda-Connect: UNKNOWN[10.51.0.157]
CC: Sandefer jsande...@utm.edu, j...@mailman.utm.edu, Edie Gibson
edgib...@utm.edu, Thomas Rakes tra...@utm.edu
Unfortunately, these headers are clearly from after Mailman processed the
message, so it's not possible to determine where the bogus address was
introduced. Looking at the Received fields, there are several candidates that
might rewrite headers:
1. tlewis's MUA (Outlook)
2. the MTA that received the message from the user (EXCH2010MBOX1.utm.edu) 3.
the spam checker (Barracuda, which is evidently a piece of trash --
it inserts its trace headers out of order in a random place) 4. an internal
MTA (EXCH2010CAS2.utm.edu aka 10.51.0.157) 5. the university's MTA on the spam
firewall (mxout1.utm.edu) 6. Mailman 7. Mailman's outgoing MTA (mailman.utm.edu)
From the choice of bogus address (@mailman.utm.edu), it's almost certainly
Mailman or mailman.utm.edu. The other agents don't have the right (and
probably not the knowledge) to use that address. Almost certainly Mailman
received the header:
CC: Sandefer jsande...@utm.edu, Judy, Edie Gibson edgibson, Thomas
Rakes tra...@utm.edu
and either Mailman or mailman.utm.edu's MTA completed Judy to
j...@mailman.utm.edu.
I'll keep watching it. I have a feeling outlook autocomplete might be
involved. However in the outlook sent folder, the bogus address isn't
shown...
You shouldn't expect it to be. You should expect just Judy by itself
somewhere, surrounded by commas as above.
My guess is that the user entered Sandefer, Judy (perhaps with help from
copy-and-paste or a completion feature), which Outlook completed to Sandefer
jsande...@utm.edu, Judy because it knows who Sandefer is, but not who
Judy is. It might even know who Sandefer Judy is, but inserting a comma
makes Judy a separate addressee. It then abandoned
Re: [Mailman-Users] strange problem
j...@mailman.utm.edu was not in the Sent folder message at all. Bruce -Original Message- From: Stephen J. Turnbull [mailto:step...@xemacs.org] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 5:13 PM To: Bruce Harrison Cc: Terry Lewis; mailman-users@python.org; Corey Jones Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] strange problem Bruce Harrison writes: Thanks for a good, detailed explanation. You're welcome. This kind of problem gets sadly technical really quickly. Our one remaining Barracuda boxes is an outgoing mail filter, I really should keep my random opinions to myself. I'm sure it does a good job, I was just annoyed that it made tracing the message harder. In Outlook, you can open a mail message, then have it display the actual headers. When looking at a Sent message, there are no headers at all. Appears to me it just shows what's in the text, including the To:, From:, etc. no real mail headers we can find. Perhaps when sending a message Outlook parses those headers in the text to get the information it gives to the MTA as envelope addresses. What does the CC in the Sent message (any view you can get of it!) have related to Judy, if anything? I don't know why the headers are repeated... I'm copying our Exchange guy on this note, he may have some ideas. Not terribly important, since we don't think the Exchange boxes are doing anything except passing on a bare Judy in the CC field. But without copies of the queuefiles we can't tell where it was introduced. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] strange problem
All of a sudden it seems that mailman is adding an address to the CC field. It's a bad address, of the form xxx...@mailman.utm.edu (this is our mailman box). It's happened to a couple of people, posting to different lists. It's normally a first name like tho...@mailman.utm.edu I don't see anything in the mailman logs and SOMETIMES do see it in the /var/log/maillog file (but not always). Crazy behavior... We're at version 2.1.7 I've restarted the box in hopes it'll help. No changes have been made to mailman in months. Bruce Harrison UT Martin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] strange problem
Not positive, but I can't find anything. Users are using outlook exchange. We've been thru all logs, etc. the bad address is there coming into exchange. Local smtp logs on mailman box does show bad address (but not always). Bruce utmOITS On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:29 AM, Carl Zwanzig c...@tuunq.com wrote: On 3/13/2013 8:01 AM, Bruce Harrison wrote: All of a sudden it seems that mailman is adding an address to the CC field. It's a bad address, of the form xxx...@mailman.utm.edu (this is our mailman box). Are you sure it's mailman? Unless there's some rewriting going on, that's done by the MUA. Could be new users or new mail clients mangling the header when replying. z! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] strange problem
That is true. I've seen it with 2 different users and 2 different lists. I can't reproduce it reliabley either. At this point I'm looking for ideas on where to look for data, etc. Bruce utmOITS On Mar 13, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: Bruce Harrison wrote: All of a sudden it seems that mailman is adding an address to the CC field. It's a bad address, of the form xxx...@mailman.utm.edu (this is our mailman box). It's happened to a couple of people, posting to different lists. It's normally a first name like tho...@mailman.utm.edu So this only occurs with some posts and is not always the same address? Is the poster doing something like Cc: Thomas, Bill b...@example.com which is really two addresses, the local address Thomas and b...@example.com, and then the MTA qualifies the local address by adding the local domain. (The correct form of the above would be Cc: Thomas, Bill b...@example.com or Cc: Thomas\, Bill b...@example.com ) -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] strange problem
It's possible the user might be doing something like that, but I don't think so. If it was a good email address, it would seem more likely... I'll keep watching it. I have a feeling outlook autocomplete might be involved. However in the outlook sent folder, the bogus address isn't shown... Bruce utmOITS On Mar 13, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: Bruce Harrison wrote: All of a sudden it seems that mailman is adding an address to the CC field. It's a bad address, of the form xxx...@mailman.utm.edu (this is our mailman box). It's happened to a couple of people, posting to different lists. It's normally a first name like tho...@mailman.utm.edu So this only occurs with some posts and is not always the same address? Is the poster doing something like Cc: Thomas, Bill b...@example.com which is really two addresses, the local address Thomas and b...@example.com, and then the MTA qualifies the local address by adding the local domain. (The correct form of the above would be Cc: Thomas, Bill b...@example.com or Cc: Thomas\, Bill b...@example.com ) -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] strange problem
Don't know, but will check in the morning. Thanks. Bruce utmOITS On Mar 13, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: On 3/13/2013 5:04 PM, Bruce Harrison wrote: That is true. I've seen it with 2 different users and 2 different lists. I can't reproduce it reliabley either. At this point I'm looking for ideas on where to look for data, etc. Is the Cc: in the message in the Digest. What does it look like there? How about in the archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox file? On Mar 13, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: Is the poster doing something like Cc: Thomas, Bill b...@example.com I think the above will reproduce it. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] is bin/find_members available from web interface directly ?
I know I can do a subscribe/unsubscribe via a web call: List a member: http://example.com/mailman/admin/listname/members?findmember=email-addresssetmemberopts_btnadminpw=adminpassword Is it possible to call the /bin/find_member script to retrieve a list of lists a person is subscribed to? Is there another way to get this particular bit of information? Bruce Harrison UT Martin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] identifying moderator that approved a post
Is there any way to identify which moderator approved a post. I've looked thru the /logs files and didn't see anything. Bruce Harrison UT Martin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] identifying moderator that approved a post
I don't think the headers show who the moderator would be. Web-server logs sound like a possibility. Anyone done this? Bruce UTM -Original Message- From: Adam McGreggor [mailto:a...@hendricks.amyl.org.uk] On Behalf Of Adam McGreggor Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:41 AM To: Bruce Harrison Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] identifying moderator that approved a post On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 05:03:57PM +, Bruce Harrison wrote: Is there any way to identify which moderator approved a post. I've looked thru the /logs files and didn't see anything. Check your web-server logs for the IP address, and work from there? Or if by email, look at headers? -- Ink is handicapped, in a way, because you can blow up a man with gunpowder in half a second, while it may take twenty years to blow him up with a book. But the gunpowder destroys itself along with its victim, while a book can keep on exploding for centuries. -- Christopher Morley -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] identifying moderator that approved a post
Glad to hear it's changing. We have several lists on campus with 20+ moderators. Some will approve anything without paying attention at all :) Was just poking around in the access_log, looks like that may do it. Thanks! Bruce -Original Message- From: Stephen J. Turnbull [mailto:step...@xemacs.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:42 AM To: Bruce Harrison Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] identifying moderator that approved a post Bruce Harrison writes: Is there any way to identify which moderator approved a post. I've looked thru the /logs files and didn't see anything. Assuming it was done via the web interface, you could get the timestamp from the Mailman logs, then go to the webserver log and find out who accessed the admindb page at the same time. There is no way for Mailman 2 to identify an individual moderator; moderators are identified by possession of the moderation password, nothing else. I believe this will change in Mailman 3. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] identifying moderator that approved a post
The idea of matching web log entries (access_log) with timestamp works fine. Also noticed that the email address of the approved message is also in the log, which makes it much easier. Entry from access_log was: 10.x.x.x - - [17/Jan/2012:17:35:52 -0600] GET /mailman/admindb/information?sender=%40utm.edu HTTP/1.1 200 7069 10.x.x.x - - [17/Jan/2012:17:35:58 -0600] POST /mailman/admindb/information HTTP/1.1 200 6655 From the vette log: Jan 16 07:08:40 2012 (1213) Information post from zzz...@utm.edu held, message-id=41cfeeecacd0fa4d9308d660fc54311a1f4a4...@exch2010mbox1.utm.edu: Post to moderated list Jan 17 17:35:58 2012 (18899) held message approved, message-id: 41cfeeecacd0fa4d9308d660fc54311a1f4a4...@exch2010mbox1.utm.edu Corresponds nicely with the timestamp of the email received from that list. About a 6 minute delay, but the list has 1200+ people on it... Our weblogs were in /usr/local/apache2/logs Bruce UTM Original Message- From: Adam McGreggor [mailto:a...@hendricks.amyl.org.uk] On Behalf Of Adam McGreggor Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:59 AM To: Bruce Harrison Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] identifying moderator that approved a post On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 05:42:52PM +, Bruce Harrison wrote: I don't think the headers show who the moderator would be. Message-ID, perhaps? -- In matters of grave importance, style, not sincerity, is the vital thing -- The Importance of Being Earnest -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] identifying moderator that approved a post
Ah... thanks for the heads-up! In our case, the IP and time can lead me to the computer as well. Thanks! Bruce -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:45 PM To: Bruce Harrison; mailman-users@python.org Cc: Terry Lewis Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] identifying moderator that approved a post Bruce Harrison wrote: The idea of matching web log entries (access_log) with timestamp works fine. Also noticed that the email address of the approved message is also in the log, which makes it much easier. Entry from access_log was: 10.x.x.x - - [17/Jan/2012:17:35:52 -0600] GET /mailman/admindb/information?sender=%40utm.edu HTTP/1.1 200 7069 10.x.x.x - - [17/Jan/2012:17:35:58 -0600] POST /mailman/admindb/information HTTP/1.1 200 6655 The ?sender=%40utm.edu fragment won't always be there. It is there this time because the moderator followed the link to view all messages from z...@utm.edu before approving the message. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] sudden problem with mailman sending out traffic
Mailman has been running well for months. All of a sudden no traffic is not going out. /var/log/maillog shows no errors. Mailman's smtp-failure shows: Sep 19 13:31:32 2011 (1215) delivery to wilbc...@ut.utm.edu failed with code -1: (101, 'Network is unreachable') Sep 19 13:31:32 2011 (1215) delivery to briab...@ut.utm.edu failed with code -1: (101, 'Network is unreachable') Sep 19 13:31:35 2011 (1215) Low level smtp error: (101, 'Network is unreachable'), msgid: mailman.6.1316457053.1213.jun...@mailman.utm.edu Sep 19 13:31:35 2011 (1215) delivery to harri...@utm.edu failed with code -1: (101, 'Network is unreachable') Sep 19 13:31:38 2011 (1215) Low level smtp error: (101, 'Network is unreachable'), msgid: mailman.7.1316457053.1213.jun...@mailman.utm.edu Sep 19 13:31:38 2011 (1215) delivery to junk-l-ow...@mailman.utm.edu failed with code -1: (101, 'Network is unreachable') Sep 19 13:31:47 2011 (1215) Low level smtp error: (101, 'Network is unreachable'), msgid: e6c16961ecb6b044a889cdac6ba7b4b23ce03...@exch2010mbox1.utm.edu Sep 19 13:31:47 2011 (1215) delivery to harri...@utm.edu failed with code -1: (101, 'Network is unreachable') Sep 19 13:31:47 2011 (1215) delivery to afort...@utm.edu failed with code -1: (101, 'Network is unreachable') Sep 19 13:31:47 2011 (1215) delivery to tle...@utm.edu failed with code -1: (101, 'Network is unreachable') I can ping and telnet to the upstream mail agent. This seems to have just started happening this morning. Upstream mail agent is an exchange system front end. Exchange is running fine, etc. Exchange guy is looking at logs... Any ideas anyone ? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
