Re: [Mailman-Users] Senders' email addresses not in archives

[Conrad G T Yoder]

On Jul 22, 2014, at 12:14 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull  wrote:

> Conrad G T Yoder writes:
> 
>> [Using 2.1.17]
>> 
>> Is there a way to have their email addresses get into the archives
>> and still have the Mung From option turned on?
> 
> It looks to me (version 2.1.18, though) like the from corruption is
> performed in the CookHeaders Handler.  Perhaps you can move the
> ToArchive Handler ahead of CookHeaders in the global pipeline (or list
> by list if you prefer).  If I were you I'd wait for confirmation from
> Mark that that's safe, though. :-)  It *should* be safe (since
> subscriber delivery takes place after ToArchive, ToArchive must be
> working on copies of the message and metadata or it would mess delivery
> up), but I haven't audited the code.
> 
> To do this, GLOBAL_PIPELINE is a Python list, in Defaults.py.  Copy
> the whole line to mm_cfg.py, and edit it to move the ToArchive (and
> its trailing comma) ahead of CookHeaders.  The usual caveat about
> "don't ever edit Defaults.py" applies here.

I don’t have access to all this - my MM install is hosted (not by me).  So I’ll 
have to put in an upgrade request.

-Conrad

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[Mailman-Users] Yahoo webmail stripping out headers in digests

[Conrad G T Yoder]

Another episode in the “Just Noticed” saga: In Yahoo’s webmail, they are 
stripping out the headers of each email in the digests, so that you can’t even 
tell where a new message starts in the digest, let alone who actually sent it.  
Anyone had experience with this and know of a way to get all the individual 
headers shown again?

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[Mailman-Users] Senders' email addresses not in archives

[Conrad G T Yoder]

[Using 2.1.17]

I just realized that with the DMARC mitigation “Mung From” option turned on, 
the senders’ email addresses are not showing up in the archives.  So, basically 
impossible to contact them unless replying to the whole list, and/or the 
original sender put their address somewhere in the body of the message.  Is 
there a way to have their email addresses get into the archives and still have 
the Mung From option turned on?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times

[Conrad G T Yoder]

Always beware when businesses attempt to describe their competitor’s products.

That’s pretty disingenuous of you, Brian.  On that page you mention, it plainly 
says:

> Discussion Lists (created via our control panel): unlimited recipients per 
> hour
> 
> • Max recipients per message: unlimited
> • Max message size: 40MB (encoded); individual list may set a lower limit

I myself admin several mailing lists with them, one with 7800+ members, with 
roughly 14 messages/day.  That’s on the order of
100K emails/day.  I have never had any issues with DH throttling the outgoing 
messages from my lists.  (I do have problems with the likes of Roadrunner/Time 
Warner having irresponsible reception policies so that their email users are 
constantly getting subscriptions disabled, but that’s another story).

Dreamhost is definitely not perfect, but this is not one of the problem areas.

(They are now running MM 2.1.17, as of a couple months ago.)

-Conrad



On Jul 20, 2014, at 5:49 PM, Brian Carpenter  wrote:

> Dreamhost also throttles their SMTP servers:
> 
> http://wiki.dreamhost.com/SMTP_quota
> 
> By not keeping their Mailman installation up to date is also VERY
> problematic since certain ISPs' DMARC policies impacts mailing lists
> everywhere. If you were serious about your mailing list(s), I would not use
> them. Using us on the other hand makes a lot of sense. :^)
> 
> http://www.mailmanhost.com
> 
> Brian Carpenter
> EMWD.com
> 
> Providing Cloud Services and more for over 15 years.
> 
> T: 336.755.0685
> E: br...@emwd.com
> www.emwd.com
> 
>> No, it's all hosted via cpanel. Does this mail per hour limit seem odd with 
>> that
>> sort of setup?
>> 
>> Does dreamhost keep their mailman up to date? We're still on 2.1.15, and
>> when I asked about upgrading, they wouldn't commit to any date, only that it
>> would be more likely to be months than a month.
>> 
>> Peter Shute
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 21 Jul 2014, at 1:35 am, "Dave Nathanson"  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm surprised that any web/email host would apply a rule intended for a
>> personal email account to a listserve. I'm guessing that you are running
>> MailMan on your own computer, then using mail server provided by your
>> email hosting company to send the messages. So to the email host, you do
>> look like a very busy personal account.
>>> 
>>> As I see it, your options include:
>>> 
>>> * Discuss this limitation with your email host & see if they will waive the
>> message sending cap for your listserv.
>>> * Use a mailman installation hosted by your email hosting company, which
>> is not subject to a message sending cap.
>>> * Changing email hosts & using a mailman installation hosted by your email
>> hosting company, which is not subject to a message sending cap.
>>> 
>>> No need to change registrars. NameCheap is a good registrar, better than
>> many. I haven't used their web/email hosting.
>>> 
>>> My email lists are all running on Mailman provided by my email host. You
>> don't even need to install it, just choose a dedicated subdomain for it to 
>> run
>> on. They do NOT limit message flow from Mailman, although they do limit
>> the number of messages per hour sent from a personal mail account. No
>> web/email host is perfect, but I'm pretty happy with DreamHost. Especially
>> for about $100 a year for more services than I can possibly use. (And I'm
>> giving it a good go!).
>>> 
>>> Here is a Dreamhost Coupon code & link that will give you $10 off now, plus
>> 1 free LIFETIME domain registration. So that's a savings of about $11 a year
>> for life. MACMEDIXFREEDOM  What else is included? Tons! Check it out.
>>> http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?250640/hosting.html
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Dave Nathanson
>>> Mac Medix
>>> 
 On Jul 20, 2014, at 4:38 AM, Russell Woodford  wrote:
 
 Hi Peter, Mark and all
 
 I think I may have the solution now (Peter is one of our list moderators).
 My web host is now telling me that there is a 200 emails per hour limit for
 my hosting plan. We have 1140 subscribers. That means we blow the limit out
 of the water EVERY time someone posts!
 
 I'm not sure why they have taken so long to tell me this, as we've been
 running on this host for over 7 months, but it seems they throttle the
 outgoing mail volume, so it can take a while for all those recipients to
 get each message. I suppose it depends on overall server activity - if
 nothing else is happening, then maybe a new message does get straight to
 1140 recipients.
 
 Looks like we will need to shift to a new listserver and maybe even a new
 webhost - and maybe even a new domain registrar (I've had all my eggs in
 the Namecheap basket for some years now).  Somehow I don't think I am going
 to get away with this volume of mail for the $50 a year I'm currently
 paying :-(
 
 Russell Woodford
 Geelong, Australia
 birding-aus.org
 
 
> On 18 July 2014 11:

Re: [Mailman-Users] 4.3.0 mail transport unavailable

[Conrad G T Yoder]

On Jun 14, 2014, at 1:03 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 06/14/2014 09:22 AM, Conrad G T Yoder wrote:
>> I have recently (last couple weeks?) started getting "4.3.0 mail transport 
>> unavailable” bounces from roadrunner/TW addresses (the rate-limiting issue 
>> is not currently rearing its head), and that is causing Mailman (2.1.17) 
>> subscriptions to be disabled.  Example error message in the “Bounce action 
>> notification” email:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Reporting-MTA: dns; zapata.dreamhost.com
>> X-Postfix-Queue-ID: B6D6B8DB0B72
>> X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; neohiopal-boun...@lists.neohiopal.org
>> Arrival-Date: Mon,  9 Jun 2014 05:15:45 -0700 (PDT)
>> 
>> Final-Recipient: rfc822; f...@roadrunner.com
>> Original-Recipient: rfc822;f...@roadrunner.com
>> Action: failed
>> Status: 4.3.0
>> Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail transport unavailable
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> From googling it appears this is may be a Postfix problem?   Any one else 
>>> seeing this with roadrunner/time warner?
> 
> 
> Yes, it would seem to be a problem with Postfix at zapata.dreamhost.com.
> Is dreamhost.com your Mailman host or a downstream relay in this case?
> If they are your outbound MTA, it seems strange that this would affect
> only mail to the roadrunner.com domain, but in any case, I think it's up
> to Dreamhost to fix it.

DH is indeed my Mailman host.  If you remember, I was (hopefully all in the 
past - knock on wood laminate) having issues with RR/TW rate-limiting mailing 
list emails from DH’s server, causing bouncing/subscription disabling.  Who 
knows if this is related.  I am in touch with them to see what is going on.

-Conrad

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[Mailman-Users] 4.3.0 mail transport unavailable

[Conrad G T Yoder]

I have recently (last couple weeks?) started getting "4.3.0 mail transport 
unavailable” bounces from roadrunner/TW addresses (the rate-limiting issue is 
not currently rearing its head), and that is causing Mailman (2.1.17) 
subscriptions to be disabled.  Example error message in the “Bounce action 
notification” email:



Reporting-MTA: dns; zapata.dreamhost.com
X-Postfix-Queue-ID: B6D6B8DB0B72
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; neohiopal-boun...@lists.neohiopal.org
Arrival-Date: Mon,  9 Jun 2014 05:15:45 -0700 (PDT)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; f...@roadrunner.com
Original-Recipient: rfc822;f...@roadrunner.com
Action: failed
Status: 4.3.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail transport unavailable



>From googling it appears this is may be a Postfix problem?   Any one else 
>seeing this with roadrunner/time warner?

-Conrad

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Re: [Mailman-Users] multiple mailing list passwords

[Conrad G T Yoder]

On May 26, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Lucio Chiappetti  wrote:

> On Mon, 26 May 2014, Adam McGreggor wrote:
> 
>> You might be able to set all passwords to be the same -- within your options 
>> page (e.g.,)
> 
> I do use the same password for stuff which is mine only, but these are shared 
> with other co-moderators. And apparently at NASA they are also over-concerned 
> (I got the passwords by snail mail, on paper !!)
> 
>>> Is anybody aware of any firefox add-on which allows to remember
>>> multiple password for one hostname (e.g. based on the full url of
>>> the list admin page) ?
>> 
>> LastPass / 1password ?
> 
> I should have added "add-on for firefox ON LINUX". Apparently this 
> "1password" (which I did not find in the firefox add-on list) is not 
> supported on Linux.
> 
> I saw LastPass mentioned, but I gathered it stores passwords elsewhere than 
> on my local machine (which I would not like). Is that correct ?

LastPass does do what you ask - store/serve passwords based on full URLs.  It 
works for me for multiple Mailman lists under 1 domain I have.  LP does indeed 
store your passwords on their servers, but they do not hold your Master 
Password, and all decryption is done client-side with in-browser JS.  So if you 
loose your MP, that’s the end of your PW store.  It’s about as secure as you 
can get without rolling your own.  It’s all free if you don’t use the mobile 
plugin feature, otherwise it’s $12/year - quite a deal I would say.

-Conrad

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with rate limiting from Roadrunner/Time Warner

[Conrad G T Yoder]

On May 15, 2014, at 8:48 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull  wrote:

> Conrad G T Yoder writes:
> 
>>> Are these true bounces (ie, permanent delivery failures) or just the
>>> temporary failures due to rate limiting, causing delays of many hours
>>> or days in delivery?
>> 
>> It is a true bounce - mail is being rejected.  The error message is
>> phrased as a "temporary failure," but the message is bounced at the
>> SMTP transaction.  “At some point,” they stop bouncing.  RR won’t
>> say when that happens.
> 
> The log you display is not a true bounce.  If your host's MTA is
> configured properly, you may get DSNs saying that you don't need to do
> anything but wait, but your users' bounce counts are not increasing
> due to messages like the one below, and they probably are eventually
> being delivered (although that can't be determined from the log below).

Gotcha.  I guess someone thought it was a true bounce and configured their 
servers appropriately. :^)


> The only effective measures you can take that I can see based on what
> you have written so far are (1) find a competent and responsive host
> for your list (there may not be any, though; I'm not sure what to do
> to get reliable timely delivery to a system like Roadrunner), or
> (2) tell your Roadrunner subscribers that their host is incapable of
> supporting reliable mail delivery and that you can't do anything; if
> they care about reliable delivery of mailing lists including yours,
> they should use an address at a competent provider (GMail is the only
> competent and approximately socially responsible freemail provider I
> know of).

I will certainly be encouraging people with RR addresses to switch.  

I have not yet tried the nuclear option - the infamous EECB (Executive Email 
Carpet Bomb).  This of course should only be used when all other options have 
been exhausted.  I’ll probably end up doing it with the Time Warner people.  I 
did it a few years ago when I was (having no success) going through the usual 
channels of AOL marking mailing list email as spam.  Within 2 hours of the EECB 
I got a call from one of their Anti-Spam Operations team members, and she gave 
me her direct phone number and email address at that point for any future 
needed correspondence.  Things started happening then.

-Conrad

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with rate limiting from Roadrunner/Time Warner

[Conrad G T Yoder]

On May 15, 2014, at 12:21 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull  wrote:

> Conrad G T Yoder writes:
> 
>> Has anyone had to deal with bounces due to rate limiting from
>> Roadrunner/Time Warner?
> 
> Are these true bounces (ie, permanent delivery failures) or just the
> temporary failures due to rate limiting, causing delays of many hours
> or days in delivery?

It is a true bounce - mail is being rejected.  The error message is phrased as 
a "temporary failure," but the message is bounced at the SMTP transaction.  “At 
some point,” they stop bouncing.  RR won’t say when that happens.


: delivery temporarily suspended: host
   cdptpa-pub-iedge-vip.email.rr.com[107.14.166.70] refused to talk to me: 421
   4.7.1 - Connection refused - <66.33.216.56> -  Too many concurrent
   connections ( <2> ) from source IP


>> http://postmaster.rr.com/spam#ratelimit
>> 
>> If so, what did you do to resolve the problem?  (That is, if things
>> “got resolved.”)
> 
> Haven't had a problem (RR is on the list of "if you don't like losing
> mail, don't do that" mailboxes for my lists).
> 
>> My hosting provider, DreamHost, continues to assert this is my
>> problem and not theirs.
> 
> This may be partly true, if you are falling afoul of the "too many
> recipients per message" limit.  In that case, if the option is
> available, then you should set personalization on for lists will more
> than a very few RR subscribers.  If not, see "full of" below.

I will probably turn that on soon - it is available to me.


> Does NightmareHost offer you any advice?  Or are they just saying "if
> you don't like our service, find another one?"  I think "find another
> one" is a great idea, personally.

On this instance, they haven’t been very helpful.  For the most part, though, 
they have been decent.  The largest of my lists that I admin has over 7600 
subscribers, with about 15 emails going out daily - that’s about 115K total 
emails a day, and for the price I am paying DH, I haven’t found anywhere near a 
better deal.  So I accept these (occasional) issues along with the deal I’m 
getting.

-Conrad

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[Mailman-Users] Dealing with rate limiting from Roadrunner/Time Warner

[Conrad G T Yoder]

Has anyone had to deal with bounces due to rate limiting from Roadrunner/Time 
Warner?

http://postmaster.rr.com/spam#ratelimit

If so, what did you do to resolve the problem?  (That is, if things “got 
resolved.”)

My hosting provider, DreamHost, continues to assert this is my problem and not 
theirs.  I of course do not have control of the Mailman installation and/or the 
server.

-Conrad

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

[Conrad G T Yoder]

What Keith said.  Either users are curious about this and will take the time to 
understand, or they throw up their hands and “Computers!” and they will do the 
minimum to get things working, which is how it was before.

My hosting provider, Dreamhost, just upgraded from 2.1.14 to 2.1.17 mere hours 
ago.  (Apparently weren’t willing to wait to do testing on 2.1.18-1.)  So we 
will squint thoughtfully at the monitor, nod almost imperceptibly, pick a 
setting which is the least egregious to fix this problem, and then have some 
scotch.

-Conrad


On May 7, 2014, at 11:05 PM, Keith Bierman  wrote:

> My experience is that for most lists, the members are chronically confused
> about nearly everything having to do with addressing. Since very few list
> members are going to be subscribed from different ISPs at the same time
> (and those are apt to be the most expert) I don't expect this change (when
> I can upgrade, I'm hostage to my ISP's cPanel support) will create any
> *additional* confusion in the minds of the easily confused.
> 
> Keith Bierman
> khb...@gmail.com
> kbiermank AIM
> 303 997 2749
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> 
>> Peter Shute writes:
>> 
>>> If it means that Reply vs Reply All work differently for list
>>> messages from different domains,
>> 
>> It does.
>> 
>>> will it only lead to users becoming hopelessly confused? Is there
>>> anyone who's already using this who could report on the reactions
>>> from users?
>> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Excessive bounces to list members on my list

[Conrad G T Yoder]

On Apr 29, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull  wrote:

> Large services
> like Yahoo, AOL, and Hotmail seem to be respecting the policy despite
> the adverse effect on their users (ie, getting unsubscribed).

Pretty sure Hotmail has not set their dmarc record to reject.  Where are you 
seeing this?

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[Mailman-Users] Workaround for yahoo/aol dmarc?

[Conrad G T Yoder]

I’ve been poking around the Mailman options (that I have access to… I am using 
a hosted Mailman 2.1.14) and brainstorming - would it be possible, using the 
options in the “Non-digest options” page, to munge the “From:” header of 
Yahoo/AOL posters to change their address to something like 
sm...@aol-removethis.com?  I don’t know enough python to answer this.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] aol fyi

[Conrad G T Yoder]

On Apr 24, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Al Black  wrote:

> Hey gang,
> 
> For all those keeping track on DMARC aol has changed its DMARC settings to 
> reject:
> http://postmaster-blog.aol.com/2014/04/22/aol-mail-updates-dmarc-policy-to-reject/

I was exchanging some email with an AOL email admin contact I have, cc’ing the 
dmarc-h...@teamaol.com email referenced in the blog, and ended up getting this 
msg:

> Hi Conrad,
> 
> Thank you for your thoughts. Unfortunately we had to make that decision to 
> curb the amount of spam mail out there. And I am certain that the industry is 
> looking at this very carefully, including other mail providers. And I am sure 
> that they might follow very soon. 
> 
> This really means that we have to work together with those mailling list 
> developers and they have to come up with solutions to deal with the new 
> reality out there. 
> 
> The IETF and MAAWG working groups are discussing that. You can find more 
> information particularly about mailling lists 
> here:http://dmarc.org/faq.html#s_3
> 
> I encourage you to also share this with whoever is responsible for 
> maintaining the mail solutions you are using.
> 
> Thanks,
> Marcel Becker
> Director, AOL Mail

Mostly content-free but at least a response from a human.

-Conrad

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[Mailman-Users] Seeing your own sig appear in (someone else's) email to the list

[Conrad G T Yoder]

One of my users on one of my lists is seeing something odd.  His own signatures 
are appearing on other people’s emails sent to a Mailman (2.1.14) list.  Some 
points of info:

- He has his own domain, hosted by google
- Email is read on the web (not sure which browser)
- It appears on some, but not all list posts
- Started happening “about a week ago”
- I do not see his signatures when the same emails come to me, nor are they in 
the archive.
- He is a list admin and moderator.  The list is fully moderated and he 
approves/rejects most of the posts.

Is he crazy?  Any idea how to track this “problem” down?

-Conrad

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

[Conrad G T Yoder]

On Apr 16, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 04/14/2014 04:39 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> On 04/13/2014 10:48 PM, Conrad G T Yoder wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a large list (7600 addresses), and when I search for a list of users 
>>> of a popular domain (e.g. yahoo.com), I of course get a large result set 
>>> back - sometimes more than 50 beginning with a particular letter.  On those 
>>> addresses with more than 50 starting with a common letter, they are of 
>>> course split up, but when I click on another of the sub-letter lists, the 
>>> “Find” string disappears in the search results and I’m back to a subset of 
>>> the whole list, not the searched list.  Is there any way around this?  
>>> Thanks much.
>> 
>> 
>> This is a bug. Thanks for the report. I'll fix it. See
>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/1307454>.
>> 
>> In the mean time, the only work around is to set admin_member_chunksize
>> on the General Options page large enough to include all members of the
>> largest sublist so it isn't chunked.
> 
> 
> The fix has been committed for 2.1.18.  In the mean time, another work
> around is when you click the link for another chunk and get the
> unfiltered chunk back with a URL like
> <http://www.example.com/mailman/admin/listname/members?letter=m&chunk=1>
> in the browsers address bar, add the filter to the URL and get that.
> E.g. with yahoo.com as the search, the above becomes
> <http://www.grizz.org/mailman/admin/gpc-talk/members?letter=m&chunk=1&findmember=yahoo.com>.

What great service - 2-day turnaround on bug fixes!  (Not that I will be seeing 
it any time in the near future with my hosting service :^)

Since we’re on the topic of items residing at bugs.launchpad.net, what are the 
odds of Bug #1067953 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/1067953) getting 
a little love?  Not quite as easy a change as this one, but would benefit many 
I’m sure.  Everyone subscribe!

-Conrad

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Emails from yahoo members, are getting rejected by yahoo, "Service Unavailable".

[Conrad G T Yoder]

On Apr 15, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Jim Popovitch  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Lindsay Haisley  wrote:
>> On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 12:38 -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
>>> Just to be clear, all those domains (other than yahoo.com) will bounce
>>> email to you if your list sends out an email from a yahoo.com
>>> subscriber.  It's not the case that you need to prevent all those
>>> other domains (AOL/MSN/etc) from posting, just don't allow yahoo.com
>>> addresses to post to the list.
>> 
>> So just to be clear, putting a damper on this at this point requires
>> _only_ that posts from yahoo.com be blocked from posting to a list.  Is
>> this correct?  This can be done by selectively unsubscribing (or
>> moderating) current yahoo.com users and adding "^.*@yahoo\.com" to the
>> ban_list of addresses banned from membership going forward.  Should some
>> other ESP start publishing advisory DMARC records then said ESP would
>> need to be added to the ban_list as well.
>> 
>> Am I correct in this?
> 
> You don't need to ban yahoo members, you just most likely don't want
> them posting.
> 
> As of right now, today, you should prevent yahoo.com addrs from
> posting to your lists.  Of course that could all change tomorrow if
> Hotmail published a dmarc p=reject record.  However, given the yahoo
> fallout, I think it will be a while before we see anymore of this
> kinds of shenanigans.  I'm still predicting that yahoo pulls their
> dmarc record (unless of course they are getting out of the end-user
> email biz)

So it really doesn’t affect domain email hosted by Yahoo such as att.net, 
sbcglobal.net, ymail.com, etc?  Yahoo has not added a dmarc p=reject record for 
email from these domains? 

-Conrad

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Emails from yahoo members, are getting rejected by yahoo, "Service Unavailable".

[Conrad G T Yoder]

Yes, sorry for my sloppy language. I appreciate the clarification. 

-Conrad 


On April 15, 2014 9:49:55 AM PDT, Jim Popovitch  wrote:
>On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Conrad G T Yoder
> wrote:
>> Ok, thanks for the clarification.  I thought Mark was saying that
>these had implemented the DMARC rules as well.
>
>Well, technically they have implemented "the DMARC rules".  Yahoo.com
>publishes a dmarc record (dig +short txt _dmarc.yahoo.com), all those
>others check it and respect it.
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Emails from yahoo members, are getting rejected by yahoo, "Service Unavailable".

[Conrad G T Yoder]

Ok, thanks for the clarification.  I thought Mark was saying that these had 
implemented the DMARC rules as well.

-Conrad

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On Apr 15, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Jim Popovitch  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Conrad G T Yoder
>  wrote:
>> Seriously?  AOL/MSN as well?  My users are going to be pissed.
> 
> Just to be clear, all those domains (other than yahoo.com) will bounce
> email to you if your list sends out an email from a yahoo.com
> subscriber.  It's not the case that you need to prevent all those
> other domains (AOL/MSN/etc) from posting, just don't allow yahoo.com
> addresses to post to the list.
> 
> -Jim P.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Emails from yahoo members, are getting rejected by yahoo, "Service Unavailable".

[Conrad G T Yoder]

Seriously?  AOL/MSN as well?  My users are going to be pissed.

Who’s going to blink first here?

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On Apr 15, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 04/14/2014 09:19 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
>> 
>> FWIW,  here's a list of the DNs of subscriber addresses that got
>> unsubscribed last week from one of FMP's lists, ostensibly as a result
>> of the DMARC issue:
>> 
>> yahoo.com
>> hotmail.com
>> comcast.net
>> bellsouth.net
>> att.net
>> cityofgastonia.com
>> fronteirnet.net
>> sbcglobal.net
> 
> 
> Add to that list:
> 
> aol.com
> compuserve.com
> msn.com
> netscape.net
> pacbell.net
> 
> See
> .
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[Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

[Conrad G T Yoder]

[Using Mailman 2.1.14 on a hosted service]

I have a large list (7600 addresses), and when I search for a list of users of 
a popular domain (e.g. yahoo.com), I of course get a large result set back - 
sometimes more than 50 beginning with a particular letter.  On those addresses 
with more than 50 starting with a common letter, they are of course split up, 
but when I click on another of the sub-letter lists, the “Find” string 
disappears in the search results and I’m back to a subset of the whole list, 
not the searched list.  Is there any way around this?  Thanks much.

-Conrad

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