[Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives

2008-09-08 Thread David Beaumont
We have had a lot of spams sent directly to our list members (i.e. not sent
via mailman).  All of them have subject headings taken from list emails
already sent out genuinely via mailman.  Almost all have our specific list
prefix (but interesting not every one).

Has anyone else had this recently (started 3rd Sept approx and the spammers
listed from address has 'kiev' in it)?

I can only think of 2 ways this has happened

1) Our public archives have been harvested by a spammer.  This would account
for the subject headings being used.  Email addresses are displayed in the
archives as, literally, 'name at domain.com' which is not immediately
harvestable but wouldn't take much code to convert ' at ' to '@'. How do we
make this more secure? I notice this list's archives are not standard
mailman format!

2) One of our members PCs has been attacked and the subjects and email
addresses taken from there.  All our emails are delivered with the reply to
address being the list but the originators email showing.  This would
account for a small number of the spams not having our list prefix in the
subject heading (they would not have the prefix if stored in the sent box of
the person that created the genuine message).  However I would expect at
least some members to report spam with entirely non list subjects from the
same spammer.   

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives

2008-09-08 Thread David Beaumont
 I notice this list's archives are not standard
 mailman format!
 
 
 I assume by 'this list' you mean [EMAIL PROTECTED] In what way
 are the archives not standard?

Thanks I mean the archives at
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Ours are at http://lists.shire.net/pipermail/dbamain/

On ours you will see the emails have the ' at ' obscuration.   Yours don't
seem to show the email in any form.  How do we change to your format?

David

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives

2008-09-08 Thread David Beaumont
Thanks is this still the case at  http://lists.shire.net/pipermail/dbamain/
?  We have just put a password on so I am hoping that will stop robots too.

David 

 -Original Message-
 From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 08 September 2008 20:00
 To: David Beaumont
 Cc: mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses 
 for spam from archives
 
 It helps to disallow but the site is allowing.  So possible 
 some engines
 will bot the whole site:
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/robots.txt
 
 
 On Mon, September 8, 2008 8:25 am, David Beaumont wrote:
  We have had a lot of spams sent directly to our list 
 members (i.e. not
  sent
  via mailman).  All of them have subject headings taken from 
 list emails
  already sent out genuinely via mailman.  Almost all have 
 our specific list
  prefix (but interesting not every one).
 
  Has anyone else had this recently (started 3rd Sept approx and the
  spammers
  listed from address has 'kiev' in it)?
 
  I can only think of 2 ways this has happened
 
  1) Our public archives have been harvested by a spammer.  This would
  account
  for the subject headings being used.  Email addresses are 
 displayed in the
  archives as, literally, 'name at domain.com' which is not 
 immediately
  harvestable but wouldn't take much code to convert ' at ' 
 to '@'. How do
  we
  make this more secure? I notice this list's archives are 
 not standard
  mailman format!
 
  2) One of our members PCs has been attacked and the 
 subjects and email
  addresses taken from there.  All our emails are delivered 
 with the reply
  to
  address being the list but the originators email showing.  
 This would
  account for a small number of the spams not having our list 
 prefix in the
  subject heading (they would not have the prefix if stored 
 in the sent box
  of
  the person that created the genuine message).  However I 
 would expect at
  least some members to report spam with entirely non list 
 subjects from the
  same spammer.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam fromarchives

2008-09-08 Thread David Beaumont
I've just checked myself and the HTML source still seems to allow robots:
META NAME=robots CONTENT=index,nofollow on each message and META
NAME=robots CONTENT=noindex,follow on the index page.  I would want
noindex and nofollow on both pages.  

Changing to private archives doesn't seem to make any difference to that,
does it only apply to new archiving?  The help is a bit vague here, does
public mean the data is prepared for public posting  (emails obscufacted)
and private mean they are not, or does private mean they are not put on the
web? i.e. which of private and public is actually the most secure?

Also search engines still seem to be able to see the data e.g. type 
neoprene site:lists.shire.net/pipermail/dbamain/  into Google, maybe this
will go in a few days?

David

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of David Beaumont
 Sent: 08 September 2008 20:19
 To: mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses 
 for spam fromarchives
 
 Thanks is this still the case at  
 http://lists.shire.net/pipermail/dbamain/
 ?  We have just put a password on so I am hoping that will 
 stop robots too.
 
 David 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: 08 September 2008 20:00
  To: David Beaumont
  Cc: mailman-users@python.org
  Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses 
  for spam from archives
  
  It helps to disallow but the site is allowing.  So possible 
  some engines
  will bot the whole site:
  
  http://www.mail-archive.com/robots.txt
  

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spamfromarchives

2008-09-08 Thread David Beaumont
 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 The META tags say don't 'index' the index pages themselves, but follow
 the links to the messages, and on the message pages 'index' the
 contents, but don't follow links.
 
 This is appropriate for a public archive. Presumably you want 
 people to
 be able to search for and find stuff in a public archive.
 
Yes I understand the metatag.  What we want is no emails available to the
public where our members email address can easily be worked out.  We achieve
this very well through Nabble and their archive of our mail -
www.bargeforum.org.  We have never found the mailman archives very user
friendly, quite basic in fact.  So in this case we want nofollow and
noindex.  The public can search our public Nabble archives as much as they
want.

 If the archive is private, it can only be accessed by logging in. The
 'pipermail' URL doesn't work and access is via the 'private' CGI which
 requires login with list member email address and password.
 
 It won't change the META tags, but they will be irrelevant 
 since robots
 can't log in and access the pages.
 
 Email obfuscation has nothing to do with public/private. 

Thanks for explaining that, it was my only concern about going private.  The
mailman help is not clear on this and I had not noticed the move to a
passworded directory because every time I changed to private I had to be
already logged in to make the change.  Now logging in, making the change,
logging out and testing has made it clear how it works.  The great thing
about mailman is support like this. But as our archive gets bigger and more
useful, mailman's basic interface does fall shorter and shorter. 

Thanks

David  


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[Mailman-Users] Control of newsgroup posters

2008-04-06 Thread David Beaumont
Is there a simple way to control newsgroup posters?  We interface our
mailman list to a newsgroup.  We find that not only do people who post via
the newsgroup NOT have to subscribe to our email list, we also cannot hold
their posts for moderation.  We would like the opposite of both of these.

Thanks, apologies if it is in the FAQ (which it usually is), I have searched
in vain for the answer using 'newsgroup' and 'moderation'.  

David

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Control of newsgroup posters

2008-04-06 Thread David Beaumont
Thanks but we have the newsgroup because some members, albeit a few, prefer
a newsgroup interface.  They would definitely not want to use the newsgroup
to read and then have to use email to post.   

I am experimenting with the mailman option 'List of non-member addresses
whose postings will be immediately held for moderation' and adding
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'  which is what shows in the headers of the gated
newsgroup posts (with * being a random number).  Am I wasting my time
looking into that?  If not do I have the * right - I don't understand the
mailman help line  start the line with a ^ character to designate a regular
expression match, can someone give examples of that usage to obtain the
wildcard function?

Thanks

David



 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Sapiro  
 
 Is there a simple way to control newsgroup posters?  We 
 interface our 
 mailman list to a newsgroup.  We find that not only do 
 people who post 
 via the newsgroup NOT have to subscribe to our email list, we also 
 cannot hold their posts for moderation.  We would like the 
 opposite of both of these.
 
 
 That's not the way it works. The assumption is if you are 
 gating from news that you want all the posts from the news group.
 
 It you only want posts on the list from list members and want 
 them moderated by the list, don't gate to the list from the 
 news group, just gate from the list to the news group and 
 have list members post to the list and not the news group.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments

2007-12-11 Thread David Beaumont
I should have added that not only are the original messages plain text but
the list is configured to convert text/html parts to plain text. Isn't this
proposed solution number 2 in the FAQ
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp ? It
doesn't work for us. 

Where do I configure proposed solution no. 1 and what is a 'MUA' referred to
in solution 3?  Maybe I could try those as well.  We are already trying
solution 4 which I have to say works perfectly.

Thanks

David
 -Original Message-
 From: Brad Knowles 
...
 Your description of:
 
   We need to forward moderated emails from one list to another
   more appropriate list.  However they always arrive munged up,
   losing the originators email address and with the text as an
   attachment.  I.e. looking pretty crap.
 
 Sounds exactly like the problem I was referring to.
 
 And this doesn't have anything to do with text versus HTML 
 formatting, it has to do with MIME formatting and things like 
 what you perceive to be an attachment.  This is explained 
 in some detail within the FAQ entry I referenced.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments

2007-12-11 Thread David Beaumont
I'm getting confused.  To clarify, in Mailman 2.1.8 content filtering terms:
we are 'filtering the content' , 
we are not 'removing message attachments that have a matching content type' 
we are 'removing message attachments that don't match multipart/mixed,
multipart/alternative or text/plain', 
we are removing message attachments that match exe, bat, cmd,
com,pif,scr,vbs,cpl ', 
we are 'collapsing multipart/alternative to its first part content', 
we are converting text/html parts to plain text.  

is that solution 2?  By the way I still don't know how to configure solution
1.  

thanks for your time

David

 -Original Message-
 From: Brad Knowles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 11 December 2007 14:29
 To: David Beaumont; 'Brad Knowles'; 'Mark Sapiro'; 
 mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one 
 list to another not asattachments
 
 On 12/11/07, David Beaumont wrote:
 
   I should have added that not only are the original messages plain 
  text but  the list is configured to convert text/html parts 
 to plain text.
 
 Plain text or not for the main message body, you may still 
 have other bodyparts that are in other MIME formats, and you 
 could potentially be stripping them, or you could allow them 
 through.  If you do allow them through, then adding footers 
 to your outgoing messages may cause your plain text format 
 message to get encapsulated into a MIME multi-part/related 
 type, which may be displayed in your MUA in a manner that is 
 not palatable.
 
 
  Isn't this  proposed solution number 2 in the FAQ  
  
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.0
 39.htp ? 
  It  doesn't work for us.
 
 Are you sure you're stripping all possible MIME bodypart 
 types that might be interfering with the mail, and not just 
 converting only the text/html parts into plain text and 
 leaving the rest alone?
 
   Where do I configure proposed solution no. 1 and what is a 'MUA' 
  referred to  in solution 3?  Maybe I could try those as 
 well.  We are 
  already trying  solution 4 which I have to say works perfectly.
 
 An MUA is a Mail User Agent.  In your case, the X-Mailer: 
 header in your message says that you're using Microsoft 
 Office Outlook 11 as your MUA.  In my case, my MUA is 
 Eudora.  There are plenty of other options available.
 
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[Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not as attachments

2007-12-10 Thread David Beaumont
We need to forward moderated emails from one list to another more
appropriate list.  However they always arrive munged up, losing the
originators email address and with the text as an attachment.  I.e. looking
pretty crap.  This must be a common requirement however I can't find
anything in the FAQ and all I can find in the archives is this with no
answer:  

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg24118.html

I always get a quick reply to these queries often simply pointing to me to a
FAQ I have missed, I think it may be different this time! 

Thanks

David

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Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments

2007-12-10 Thread David Beaumont
yes thanks that is one FAQ I had read, with a slight amount of horror.  The
first suggestion is surely much too cumbersome for regular use, I take it
the 'Voila' is ironic. The second suggestion I could live with except that I
don't have server shell access and anyway it would not fix our particular
problem. 

thanks

David 

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 11 December 2007 01:50
 To: David Beaumont; mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one 
 list to another not asattachments
 
 David Beaumont wrote:
 
 We need to forward moderated emails from one list to another more 
 appropriate list.  However they always arrive munged up, losing the 
 originators email address and with the text as an attachment.  I.e. 
 looking pretty crap.
 
 
 FAQ 3.9
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.009.htp
 addresses a slightly different issue, but the techniques 
 described there will work just as well for bouncing a message 
 to another list.
 
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[Mailman-Users] integrating mailman members list with another database

2007-11-04 Thread David Beaumont

We run a mailman list.  Anyone can subscribe but we would prefer to restrict
subscription to members of our not-for-profit organisation.  We have those
members on an online database.  Has anyone ever linked the mailman list of
subscribers to another database of email addresses and is there any way
apart fom manually checking against our membership list and manually
deleting subscribers to our mailman list?

Apologies if it's in the FAQ I did look though.

thanks

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Re: [Mailman-Users] integrating mailman members list with another database

2007-11-04 Thread David Beaumont

Thnanks for very prompt response.  I can obtain the list of members although
I do not have server shell access, I can do it by email commands so that is
no problem.  I don't understand though how you use that.   

I should add our mailman list is on a suppliers server.  We have our own
website on a different suppliers server.  that website has a members only
section where members have to login.

Are you allowing only members of your list by making the only route to
subscribing your own web site after logging in to your own web site?  Thats
seems a great idea, we could do that and then we wouldn't need to run the
mailman subscribers list at all let alone once an hour.  We would need to
manuslly check all existing subscribers but only the once.  

I assume we would just edit the HTML of the standard mailman subscribe page
to tell them to login to our site instead.  One question though is there a
simple way to prevent non members subscribing by just guessing the subscribe
email address? Oh one more when our members leave they will still stay as
subscribers to the mailman list.  

thnaks

David



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 On 11/04/2007 05:25 PM, David Beaumont wrote:
 
 Here's the basic outline:
 
 Extract a list of member email addresses.
 
  /usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members -g=no -w=no -d=no -a=no -f
 file_of_email_addresses list_name_here
 
 The list is set up so confirmation of subscription is required (and we
 never confirm when someone tries).
 
 We run this process at the top of every hour.  Users
 subscribe/unsubscribe through our member services profiler, not through
 he list itself.
 
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[Mailman-Users] Newsgroup interface and registration

2007-07-17 Thread David Beaumont
Our usenet newsgroup 'annexcafe' have started requiring registration, to
prevent spamming of the newsgroup.  However since they did this the
interface with out mailman list has stopped working both ways.  Emails no
longer get posted to the newsgroup and newsgroup postings no longer get sent
out as emails.  

The newsgroup now requires users to log in with their username and password,
but there is no option to put login details into mailman that I can find.
We have mailman v 2.1.8

Has any had this problem and got round it?  Or anyone know of newsgroup
providers that don't require login?  Or of any software that does emails,
web based forums and newsgroups in one?

Thanks

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe links in footers and passwords

2007-03-24 Thread David Beaumont
Firstly is there a way to globally remove passwords for all users on a list.
They are a pain, users forget them and I trust our users not to need one.

Secondly and alternatively I notice at the foot of each of the mailman
developers emails is an 'unsubscribe' link that takes you to your own
details page in mailman

Eg Unsubscribe:
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/david%40johmar.com;

How do you get the individuals email address to be included at the end of
that link?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and forums

2007-03-19 Thread David Beaumont
Is there any software that provides or allows mailman to integrate with
forum software (by that I mean a web based method to view all posts by
thread etc..) And I don't mean the basic mailman archive which is pretty
basic.  Something more like 'Yahoo groups'.

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[Mailman-Users] Newsgroup interface - prevention of spam transfer from newsgroup to emails list

2007-03-18 Thread David Beaumont
Very occasionally spam has been sent to the newsgroup which our mailman list
interfaces with.  The spam has then been uploaded to the email list and sent
out.  This can only get worse. We never get spam on our mailing list
normally because you have to be a member to email to it. Of course there is
no such restriction on the newsgroup.   Is there a simple way to restrict
postings picked up from the newsgroup to be from members of the email list
only?

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[Mailman-Users] Newsgroup interface - upload to mailman not working

2007-03-17 Thread David Beaumont
We interface to a newsgroup, details:

The hostname of the machine your news server is running on. 
news.annexcafe.com
 
The name of the Usenet group to gateway to and/or from. 
annexcafe.dba.bargemain

Emails are transferred to the newsgroup OK.  Until September last year
newsgroup postings were picked up by mailman and distributed as emails.
However since then that bit has stopped working, any ideas why?  Our
supplier says the newsrunner process is running.  

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[Mailman-Users] Newsgroup interface picking up spam

2007-03-02 Thread David Beaumont
On our members only list how can we prevent the newsgroup interface picking
up posts (spam) from non members?  We have mailman 2.1.8.  I see here 

http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html 

there is an option

Should newsgroup posts not sent from the list be resent to the list?
Specifies whether or not messages posted by people out there in the world
who are not members of the list should be gated and distributed to list
members.  

Which would seem to be the answer but we don't have that, is it new in
2.1.9?

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