[Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Looking for Yahoo style email list
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:52:47 -0500 Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am looking for something that can be both an email list and a BBS > style web page like Yahoo Groups. I want an email list that if the > user chooses can read and post to the list from a web page like the > Yahoo Groups. You might like to see the current implementation of the archives at Kanga.nu, and then read the User FAQ on how that was accomplished. other reasonable approaches would enclude using a GMane-like setup. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to export memberlist to file
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:24:11 +0200 Nick vd Kloor <@ FOR-Nation" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > Hi all, not sure anymore if there is a function or parameter to get > your whole memberlist in a textfile. Does anyone know? ~/bin/list_members. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to remove X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail headers distributed by Mailman?
On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 16:02:38 +0200 Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I said, this is a slippery slope. Once you start down the path of > "But program XYZZY does this, why can't you?!?", it becomes very > difficult to get back to the real issue of what features truly are > needed, for what reason, and what size of community would best be > served by focusing on what work. Past an early point an easy distinguishing factor is: Are you interested in it enough to write a patch? Are you interested in it enough to maintain a patch? -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to remove X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail headers distributed by Mailman?
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 18:54:55 +0200 Andrzej Kasperowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't. I assume that everyone can learn python should their >> interest/need for a particular feature be large enough. After all, > Bad assumption. Time is not from rubber, your advice might be good for > computer science students, but might not be for others. No. The critical point is "large enough". If their need is large enough they either will themselves, or will arrange for someone else to as their proxy. > I suggest you never say again to someone such unceremoniously just do > it yourself. If someone could do it himself he would do it without > asking for that on the list. Frequently, near enough to invariably as to be easily mistaken for it, that is not the case. >> Excellent, and thank you, however code is far more valuable than >> ideas. > You really think so? What code would you write without any ideas, huh? Any decent engineer (or otherwise) can think of a thousand great ideas an hour. There isn't a particular shortage of such. There is a particular shortage of implementations of great ideas. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to remove X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail headers distributed by Mailman?
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 17:32:55 +0200 Andrzej Kasperowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Past an early point an easy distinguishing factor is: >> Are you interested in it enough to write a patch? >> Are you interested in it enough to maintain a patch? > To whom you address these questions? How about you? > Why do you assume that everyone knows Python? I don't. I assume that everyone can learn python should their interest/need for a particular feature be large enough. After all, that's what we had to do (learn Python etc), in order to get done what's been done so far. > I assist Mailman community as I can, i.e. by giving my advice and my > ideas how things could be improved. Excellent, and thank you, however code is far more valuable than ideas. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Exporting memberlist
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:18:33 +0100 Nick vd Kloor <@ FOR-Nation" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > Hi all, does anyone know if there's a possibility to export your > memberlist in a file or for example excelsheet? ~/bin/list_members. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] announce-only list Howto
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:14:48 +0100 David Morgado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > J C Lawrence wrote: > That was not what I meant sorry. What I meant was in mailman options, > is there a way to add a Approved header so that it can work like a > signature? Mind explaining your question a bit more? -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] announce-only list Howto
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:07:02 +0100 David Morgado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok I read the Faq, can anyone tell me where can I find the option to > add an Aproved header. Your MUA. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] text vs. HTML message sensing...
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:06:31 -0400 james o wrote: > does mailman have the ability to determine if the recipient can > receive HTML or a text message and send the appropriate message? if > so, how is this managed? if not, can anyone recommend how to go about > setting something like this up? Is there a problem here that multipart/alternative doesn't solve? -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Weird Triple post problems
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 06:41:05 -0700 Heather J Lubinsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > She has sent me the emails and they are all identical. Were they identical down to the exact content of the all Received headers? -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:08:26 +0100 Richard Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 7. The bounce response attached to the bounce action notice produced > by Mailman when subscribers are disabled in these circumstances is > from the server local MTA. The MTA lists what appears to be all the > addresses to which the outgoing message was sent with a note against > each saying "unrouteable mail domain maildomain.tld". The bounce > response asserts that this is a permanent failure. The messages are > each being sent to a number of different mail domains not just a > single one DNS _or_ IP routing is periodically screwed. Why? Dunno. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with @ character in archives
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:25:24 +0200 Kaja P Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a workaround to prevent this behaviour? Easiest is to use an external archiver. I suggest Eric Hood's MHonArc. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] remove_members *really* slow
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:27:51 -0500 Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a faster way of doing this operation in 2.0.13? This is a known performance problem with v2.0 which is largely (entirely?) fixed in v2.1. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line Length Considered Spam
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:28:48 -0700 jsmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul, I couldn't agree with you more. But, as I exchange email with a > minimum wage worker at excite that is doing what he was told to do > (decision from someone that hasn't got a clue) I still have people > complaining. Since people can still follow the link in the email is > there a short term fix that I can implement here until I can get this > corrected with excite. =20 You don't adapt to or accommodate such stupidity, you either fix it or let it die of its own. If that's really what Excite want to do, don't encourage them by making it easier on Excite users. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman performance / sends per hour
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:19:57 -0400 Vivek Khera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "JS" == John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> With a dedicated Pentium 4 2GHz / 1 GB RAM server / 10Mbs, what sort >> of performance should be possible with Mailman? Sends per hour / max >> subscribers. > I think it depends on your MTA and whether you have personalization on > in Mailman (which will increase the number of messages being pumped > through). Also, sending mail tends to be disk-bound if you are not > network-bound. See the performance notes in the user FAQ. A rough guiding metric of what can be achieved with moderate tuning, reasonable systems choices etc (total cost under US$1,500) is 2,000 - 2,500 external deliveries per minute sustained. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Setup list to strip attachments?
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:11:03 -0500 schuetzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, does anyone have a template to paste into the content filtering > box to exclude everything but plain text?? Preface your list with demime. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] strange behavior withEXTERNAL_PUBLIC_ARCHIVER
On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 09:48:15 -0400 J C Lawrence wrote: > On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:16:55 +0200 Jonas Meurer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> why does user list member different lists in the two cases? same uid, >> same gid, only the lists it members are different. > Because Mailman is run by a server which was started as root and which > then setuid'ed down to a lower privilege level. Uhh, I should have read more carefully. My error, I was wrong. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] strange behavior withEXTERNAL_PUBLIC_ARCHIVER
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:16:55 +0200 Jonas Meurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > why does user list member different lists in the two cases? same uid, > same gid, only the lists it members are different. Because Mailman is run by a server which was started as root and which then setuid'ed down to a lower privilege level. You need to fully understand how Unix UIDs are managed for processes. I recommend any of the standard security tracts on why services that run as root and then setuid to something less privileged are less secure than those that start at the lower security setting. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 19:51:44 -0700 (PDT) SysAdmin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've had nothing but problems with it. Majordomo sucked, but at least > it stayed up and running. This is hardly a way to get either sympathy or help. > Mailman's processes are all there, but no messages get delivered... Then post the data that's needed to resolve the problem. You know the mantra and the ritual: what do the logs say? > As much as I hate to do it, I might just have to go back to Majordomo > (it has much better documentation, too). Sigh. I ship between 1 and 2 million messages a day through Mailman without any problems or SysAdm intervention. In the real of Mailman sites I'm fairly tiny. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] List performance queries
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 16:20:32 -0500 Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How large are the mailman batches? i.e. How many physical mail > messages go out? Configurable. I'd set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to be fairly high, tho not more than 100 (see Chuq von Rospach's notes on the performance impacts and implications of this setting for more typical MX distributions). > Am I suicidal for even trying to handle lists this large on this size > box, or is this even considered a large list? Nahh, you're still will within the happy spot. You'll want a good chunk of RAM and a nice fast IO chain (see the performance notes on the User FAQ), but even minor tuning you should be fine. > Next, my users want the ability to periodically refresh the subscriber > list - they'll actually be coming from an external database. No problem. > At the time of my subscriber refresh, how can I flush any pending > messages to the list - ie, I don't want to get caught where an earlier > message is still being retried when the subscriber list changes. Don't worry about it. The list of addresses for a message is defined when the message is approved for broadcast. If the list subscriber list changes after that, only subsequently broadcast messages will get the new target list. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] MIME in the archive
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:23:35 -0500 odd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello ... I want to know if it is possible to se the actual > attachments in the archive ... See the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] About SMTPDirect
On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:54:49 -0500 (EST) Elena Fraboschi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe the problem (and the fix) is far from transparent. I'll > await eagerly the release of a future version of mailman where this > problem (three pages of msgs in google about it...) might have been > fixed. Check your relay controls for your MTA. Also check that your MTA is listening for an will accept connections from localhost (or wherever else you have Mailman connecting from).. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Backing Up Lists
On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:45:39 -0800 Joseph Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, I am by nature the proverbial turd in the punch bowl and > try and find holes with ideas. I asked a question to someone about a > list backup in case of server down time. Please see the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Controlling header & footer
On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:15:11 -0500 John Tice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How can one eliminate the extraneous links below the real header and > above the message in posts? Also, my ISP adds several lines of > anti-abuse headers. All this makes for amateur-looking, junked up > posts. I want to clean it up. Is this possible? How does one do it? Please read RFC 2356 and the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Another feature request (for email commands)
On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:41:53 -0800 Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A couple other feature requests 1) A setting which lets people > confirm their own messages (as with TMDA) - this way lists can stay > open but still require some sort of confirmation before letting a > message through. You're aware of my TMDA integration HOWTO on the user FAQ? -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Challenge
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:09:17 -0400 Cody Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why not make a release of it? The wider the user range, the more > popular. If nobody will take any interest, so be it. The simple fact that nobody has yet bothered with such a port pretty well indicates the lack of interest in such a port. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman's Host Name & sendmail's Virtual Users
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:47:34 -0500 Jim Popovitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's just too much like saying RTFM! :) `apt-get install exim` -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation and Window
On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:23:31 -0400 Cody Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it possible to install mailman on a Windows 98 box? Probably but nobody has either bothered or had sufficient interest to. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella List Spam Protection
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:23:51 -0500 Links at Momsview <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion and the link. This is what I'm seeing with > my single list of 140,000 subs Urk, I've not played with 2.1 much at all yet (too buried in Zope). I'd thought that 2.1 lost the in-memory dictionary for the entire subscriber base. Damn. It does sound like you are RAM starved. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] list of lists fodder for spammers?
On 26 Jan 2003 13:27:03 -0500 Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I recommend that you front-end your mail servers with something like > Spam Assassin. If you really want to be thorough you can use > Mailscanner with an anti-virus application that runs on > Linux. Mailscanner will then use the local anti-virus application to > scan all messages for viruses and then pump the remaining messages > through a SpamAssassin filter to look for Spam. Go for TMDA. I've had it deployed here for near 8 months. Most of my lists receive ~40 SPAM messages per day, plus another ~20 virus messages -- and that's in addition to basic list mail. The -admin, and -owner addresses receive almost as many. Within those 8 months the number of either that have made their way thru TMDA either to Mailman or me (as -owner/-admin) can be counted on the fingers of two hands with fingers left to spare. Not bad for almost 8 months. Even better the number of valid messages which their posters have not bothered to confirm thru TMDA can be counted on the fingers of one hand. TMDA __is__ your friend. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] misfeature/bug in MM 2.1
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:43:06 -0500 Barry A Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I got working a prototype integration of Mailman and spambayes, and > I'll probably be checking this into cvs when I get back . I'd > label it as an interesting experiment, but whether it'll be useful > remains to be seen. I doubt it will eliminate the need for other > upstream spam catching tools. :looks pointedly at TMDA (especially for the control addresses). -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] RFE
Ed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2 things Mailman really needs, 1 is database integration, and there's an > RFE out there for that. The other is a simple scripting language to be > used within the mail body itself. Things like conditionals, the ability to > import data from URL's, and equally database tables. This is not a Mailman problem space or service. Look into things like Ironport. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:59:39 -0500 Rob Jolliffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My QoS is low. 99% should be fine. 99.9% would be fantastic. This > is a volunteer list. QoS in this sense is the latency between a message starting to be broadcast and all copies to non-slow MXes delivered. > Here's a simple question I hope. If I pass-through my messages to an > external SMTP server - does Mailman do the parsing of the messages > into the different MX domains or does it leave that up to the SMTP > server? Mailman does no parsing or processing of mail beyond adding list specific headers and attaching bundles of RCPT TO addresses to messages as it passes them to the MTA. > In other words does it send the SMTP server 10 messages with 100 > addresses (for 1000 user list), or does it pre-parse the list into > domains and then send them? The former. > 5 minutes is a starting point, but not necessarily what we will > ultimately settle for. For that sort of problem domain I'd be happy with an hour or less. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:39:38 -0500 Rob Jolliffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a list with 1000 members on Yahoo groups (yech!). I want to > move this list on to my own server. My SMTP server is going to be my > ISP's server (I will be double checking with them) not my own. When I > send a 10k message to the 1000 users, will my Mailman send a single > message to the SMTP server with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50 > as per my configuration) or will it send 1 message per domain with the > addresses attached? RFC [2]822 recommends a maximum of 100 RCPT TO's per message. > If anyone is running such a list (about 40 to 60 messages per day, > maybe 5k average size, 1000 users)... Yes. > ... what bandwidth do you find is sufficient. With QoS metrics and definitions as to the distribution of your target MXes this can't be answered. In my case my system is rather connected (three T3s and two T1s), but then that's rather incidental to the tasks I have it perform and wasn't a requirement of the hosting site. > Just doing the straight math results in a requirement of 1 Mb per > minute (174kB per second) upload speed to deliver messages within a 5 > minute window. If you require a 5 minute delivery time to your ISP's smarthost, then yes. Do you require a 5 minute delivery window? Really? > This is pretty high bandwidth imho. Does a mailing list really > require this kind of thruput? What QoS do you require? Can your target MXes support that QoS? Do they even desire it, let alone require it? Would anybody notice if it were slower? -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I use MHonArc with Mailman?
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:50:36 + David Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As usual, I read the FAQs >> 4.4. How can I use an external archiver with Mailman like MHonArc? >> Configuring Mailman to use an external archiver instead of the >> internal Pipermail is slightly finicky. A HOWTO for this was posted >> to the mailman-developers list and should be copied in here once >> someone finds it. > Did anyone find it yet?! > I'd like to use MHonArc as it allows correct wrapping of messages and > some other nice features. Adding MHonArc to the system is trivial if you use an external archiving address rather than binding it into Mailman. I've been doing this for years. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Set to no-post
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 03:24:44 -0500 Kim Brooks Wei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do I set a mailman list to be no-postable? Kim Please see the FAQ: http://www.vta.org/schedules/light_rail_schedules.html -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug and Wish in Mailman 2.1B
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:46:36 +0100 Heiko Tobias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Great software! ;) One bug I have found: The footer (msg_footer) will > not be attached to any mail to the list One wish: The List-Admin can > customize the welcome-message, when a new member joins. This is > eg. for read-only lists - the welcome-message is wrong ;) Please see the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question on loads
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:59:41 -0500 Chris Souza wrote: > Hello, How well does mailman handle loads? I need to have a listserv > that = handles about 100,000 users. And i need to email each one of > them in a = weekly manner. Would mailman be able to handle this? Please read the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] headers
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:53:00 -0800 Felix F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can anyone tell me how to remove the headers Mailman places into a > sent out e-mail? I'm specifically talking about headers such as: Please see the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Web-based posting?
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:02:27 -0500 Nicolas Steenhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I want for the list to be restricted to registered users (no problem > so far). I want user's registration to be approved by the admin > before they can become active. I want users to be able to read the > list on the web (no problem, archives, right?). Most importantly, I > would like users to be able to POST to the list from the web. Please see the FAQ for how I do this under PHP: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Demime and Stripmime
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:52:48 -0800 Karin Zirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone tried using Demime or Stripmime to deal remove the AOL HTML > portion of the email message? I successfully use mimefilter -- see the FAQ and list archives for details. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:36:00 -0500 John DeCarlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > J C Lawrence wrote: >> On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:22:25 -0500 John DeCarlo wrote: >> 1) Not everybody uses a windowing interface. > Why would this be important? I can turn on word wrap on a VT100. > Automatic word wrap has been available in every kind of interface for > decades. And in the case of email, wisely not used. >> 2) Not all text is prose > So? Mostly that's a comment on the semantics of reflowing being intensely content sensitive. > I guess I should have been more precise. Any decent MUA over the past > 10-20 years should not insert extra characters in the user's message. The definition of "extra" is very subjective. My tendency there would be to state that the sending MUA should send the message *exactly* as the author composed it, and that the receiving MUA should do its best to present it in the same form. > If the user wants to put in a line break after every word, or only > after every 1000 word paragraph, that is the user's decision. Absolutely. > If the user wants to have a fancy looking poem with words centered, > that should be a user decision. Quite, and then the receiving MUA displays what was sent, as it was sent. Should the receiving MUA be configured to alter that default presentation, then, again, that is the receiver's option, and he earns any trouble and problem he thus incurs. >> 3) Not all text can be reflowed without losing data. > Exactly. You want it reflowed when the MUA creates the email message. No, I don't give a rat's arse about reflowing one way or the other. I want the author to compose the message as he sees fit, the sending MUA to respect that, and the receiving MUA to default to honouring that sender's decisions. > I disagree. Let the receiver decide how to view it. Then the > receiver can turn on word wrap at 30 characters or 72 or 185 or not > every turn it on at all. Text email predates (effectively) the use of markup languages, and thus depends on tight coupling between sender and receiver as to format and presentation. Its a function of tacit agreements. Richtext, HTML, etc, don't suffer that particular limitation (but come with others). You get to pick. >> Nope. This argument was fought and quite properly lost almost 20 >> years ago. > No. We disagree. I argued it at the time (and lost). -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives
On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:22:25 -0500 John DeCarlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, Just wanted to make the point that MUAs should *not* put in > line breaks except for new paragraphs. Any decent MUA that is reading > the message will perform the line wraps for you based on the size of > your window. Wrong. 1) Not everybody uses a windowing interface. 2) Not all text is prose 3) Not all text can be reflowed without losing data. > It is really a kludge to force the sender to put in line breaks every > 72 characters. Nope. This argument was fought and quite properly lost almost 20 years ago. > And, as Susan pointed out, most MUAs will wrap for you. Thus, how do > you get the web view of the archive to do the wrapping? It doesn't > have to change the content of the message, just the display. You don't unless you wedge-fit hack onto your system in order to cover up other's broken software. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Pay per list?
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:03:23 -0800 bronto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > He says they send out one or two messages per week, to a list of > between 10-15,000 subscribers. > My mail server is a beige G3 Mac running YellowDog Linux, with Postfix > and mailman. Please see the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Read it well and carefully. Follow ALL the instructions. Loosely: Its heavily dependent on the distribution of your target MXes, their responsiveness, and the percentage of bad addresses. There are enough variables in that space to make any solid recommendations hard. However, very loosely, you're not outside of the ballpark or even right up against the fence. Everything else being unequal you should have enough room to play with to make it work without great effort or expertise. Early recommendations: Buy some RAM. Stuff your box full of it. Get up to the couple Gig+ range if you can (I don't know Macs well to know how easy that is). Don't even attempt this without at least 512Meg (1Gig will be much better). Get a new disk for /var/spool/postfix and another separate disk for /var/log. If you have the opportunity, make the spool disk faster. At this point don't worry about IDE vs SCSI. If you can smarthost all outbound traffic to a different system from your Mailman system. Set it up similarly as above/below (distinct spindle for spool and log, postfix config etc). This simple step would make handling this sort of load almost easy. If you can't do this, check with your ISP and see if they'd be willing to smarthost for you. Many will. Follow all the Postfix tuning hints in the FAQ. Start out by setting MAX_RCPT_TOs to 100 (don't go larger), use hashed spool queues, etc. Go straight to Mailman v2.1. Don't bother with 2.0. If you can, initially make your sending box not be the return MX for the initial sends (or smart host out to a box that isn't your Mailman box. Once you get things running/happy you can move the MX back. On such a high load this can be critical as the overhead of bounce processing can consume a disproportionate percentage of your system load. Given a reasonable outbound bandwidth and a reasonable level of MX clustering (eg closer to the typical 30% AOL/Hotmail/MSN rather than my <3%) and a reasonable DASD situation on your G3 as above, you should do alrightish. Beware that any non-trivial variation in any of the factors can cause a disproportionate and possibly catastrophic performance gag. Expectations: As a comparable under Postfix on a dual PII-333 with 512Meg RAM sitting on a couple T3s and a T1 I can sustain 1,400 deliveries a minute. You should be comfortably able to sustain at least half that given that you've a slightly less muscled box and your outbound bandwidth situation is likely skinnier. Given a reasonable distribution of slow MX'es (which is a silly meaningless unrelative thing to say, but hey) that would mean that you'd drain the majority of the queue down to the slow MXes in about an hour (accounting for IO and spool contention). If you want to use your system for anything else during that time (expect system loads in the 20 - 30 range for the majority of that time) you can reduce the number of queue runners or throw in some bandwidth profiling, but note that that will extend drain time non-linearly. Be prepared for a fairly extensive period of fiddling getting this really happy. You're not up in the range where things get really sensitive, but you're getting there. Some care and discretion will be required. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Troubleshooting: no mail goes out to lists -commonthings to check
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:34:09 -0500 jsingh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a bunch of lists working fine , but there is one here which > just does not post messages. I went and looked through maillog it is > getting the post request from the sender but never anything from > mailman to send out. Check your Mailman log files carefully. You should be able tot rack the messages thru Mailman up until the point of death. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Troubleshooting: no mail goes out to lists -commonthings to check
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:42:37 -0500 jsingh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree this was a great posting too. Then add it to the FAQ. > Is it alright to create a symbolic link in the usr/lib/ directory for > the sendmail binary ? Yes. Caveats: 1) You should determine why it wasn't there already. 2) You almost certainly want to deliver via SMTPDirect versus Sendmail. See Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Prioritzing Addresses
On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:02:20 -0500 Deborah Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a way to set send priority either by list or by recipient, > i.e. if I have a large list of users, can I specify which addresses > that should always be at the top of the queue? What problem are you trying to solve? 1) Its very unlikely that you actually want to do this. 2) Even if you did manage to, it would have close to zero effect. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting address priorities
On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:04:13 -0500 Deborah Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone know if I can set address priorities in mailman, i.e. can > certain addresses be set so that they always enter the mail queue > first? Currently, no. Additionally, any hinting that Mailman might provide here would be ignored and overridden by your MTA's queue handling algorithms. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:30:07 EST Topaz877 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Regarding the principle of least surprise, the messages that have long > lines in the archives arrive in my inbox perfectly formatted. So, it > was a surprise to me that they did not line wrap in the archives. I > suspect that AOL did this for me though I haven't researched it. Aye, its likely, and regrettable, that AOL does this. > To me, content is the most important thing. What did the person say in > their message? As such, ease of reading in the archives is important > to me. This is partly why I use the stripmime script. For me formatting is often significant, and almost as often a critical part of content. Sometimes in now just what was said, but how it was said. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:45:35 EST Topaz877 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem isn't with mail delivery, it's with the archives. It goes > without saying that Mailman can't do anything about how users > configure their mail clients. But Mailman does control how the > *archives* are displayed. Should the archive display messages as they were sent, or should it attempt to "know best" and do what it thinks is right, over-riding the specifics in the messages? No matter which answer its easy to come up with dozens of cases where its wrong. Once past that there are concepts and questions of fidelity: Is your archive an accurate representation of list traffic? Is the fact that it is (or is not) accurate, significant? Then there's the question and principle of least surprise: Which is more surprising, and archive which reformats or one which doesn't? For me its critical that the archives are accurate, both as to formatting and content, and that fact is significant as the archives are (effectively) the one recorded "historical truth" as regards that list. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:55:57 -0800 Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 08:48 PM, J C Lawrence wrote: >> Okay, but that doesn't explain the rash of unsubscribes every month >> on an otherwise active discussion list. > have you checked to see whether some (or all) of those people had set > themselves nomail? Did they go nomail thinking they unsubscribed? Or > go on vacation and forget to turn it back on, and when the reminder > came, decided they liked the quiet? No, I've not checked. The only not-quite correlated statistic I have is that my rate (and number) or NOMAIL subscribers is low (usually below 20 per 1,000). -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:30:57 -0800 Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 02:35 PM, J C Lawrence wrote: > I'd argue it's more likely the footer for discussion lists. I did some > experimenting with regular postings a few years ago (way pre-mailman), > and found that there wasn't much difference between posting bi-weekly, > monthly, and not at all, at least in terms of helping the casual > user. They don't keep a copy of it, so it's never there when they want > it (so they simply blat at the list). And the more often you post it, > the more likely people simply tune it out as noise. That's one reason > why I started experimenting with footer language instead, and > pre-mailman, simply stopped sending regular postings. It just seemed > like they were mostly bit-bucketed. Okay, but that doesn't explain the rash of unsubscribes every month on an otherwise active discussion list. > Personally, I think monthly is "about right". I'm not ready to do away > with them, especially since 2.1 can hook the bounce systme into > them. but I'm still unsure just what good they do, either. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:44:35 -0800 Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Monthly is traditional, but I think it's worthy of some thought. With > the List-* headers in the message, and the footer that traditionally > points to the info pages (and with 2.1, that can be customized to the > user), do we still need to send out reminders monthly? Writing as an admin: Yes, I like and want the monthly reminders and I don't want them any less frequent. Why? I'm fairly convinced that they save me from, "unsubscribe me!" messages. Certainly my rate of such messages has collapsed since I moved to mailman, and I've a burst of unsubscribes every month immediately after the reminders go out. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: [Mailman-Users] Archive URL in postings (2.1b3)
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:35:01 -0600
John Buttery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * J C Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-29 19:51:03 -0800]:
>> John Buttery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thinking that the address in the To: field is an address that the
> sender originally targeted directly may not be universal, but I think
> it's pretty close. *shrug*
I find that most people (unofficial survey, extensive conversations,
total population probably >30, <100) pay that much attention to the
headers on list-related posts, and when they do, more or less consider
all the addresses in the headers to be the "intended destination"
without distinguishing which header is which. Private email is a
>little< different in that people do seem to start to distinguish among
the headers, but not a whole lot.
>> One has a List-ID header, one doesn't.
>>
>> One has an In-Reply-To that references my prior post, one doesn't.
> You're right about this, I hadn't fully thought things out before I
> said that. However, it doesn't solve the problem of not knowing
> whether one of these list postings is the first of two duplicates, or
> just a normal posting.
Err, the one without the List-ID is the direct mail and the one with is
the one via the list.
> Someone just posted something about the In-Reply-To: header that may
> or may not refute that part, but it's moot because your point stands
> on the List-ID: header alone.
> True, and I take that statement back for the same reasons as above.
> :p And, of course, I was not encouraging people to post private emails
> on-list, which is a MASSIVE etiquette breach...I was just trying to
> point out a situation in which "information loss" would happen.
No worries.
Part of the background logic on all this is that the To: and Cc: headers
are actually meaningless. Sure, most people don't know that, but I
would expect that the members of this list are very comfortable with the
fact that the To: and Cc: headers need have absolutely no relation to
the original or current message envelope. As such they start out being
weak suggestions, not statements. If you really want to know, and you
trust the Received: headers (which are themselves not totally
trustworthy, but that's another matter) look for destination envelope
comments in the Received: headers.
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Re: OFFTOPIC Re: [Mailman-Users] Archive URL in postings (2.1b3)
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:05:32 -0800 (PST) alex wetmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, J C Lawrence wrote: >> On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:56:39 -0800 (PST) alex wetmore >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> 1) You are using an email system which removes duplicates (based on >>> the Message-Id header). Microsoft Exchange 2000 is one such system. >>> If Mailman is changing the headers so much perhaps it should stick a >>> new Message-Id on the message though. >> We should start out admitting that such mail systems are broken and >> then decide how far we want to cater to such broken systems. > Eliminating duplicates is a useful feature, not a broken one. My original statement was more generous than I intended. Corrected: MTAs which do duplicate suppression are broken. That's the function of the MUA, or, in very constrained instances, the LDA. > Think about the hacks that Mailman-2.1 has to prevent sending the > duplicate. Yup. I'm not fond of their existence. > In a complex corporate topology there are reasons why duplicates are > sometimes generated, but clients should have no reason to see them. Then they configure their MUAs not to. > Exchange is not the only system that does this, but it might be the > widest deployed. FWLIW Cyrus can do dupe suppression at the LDA level. Sadly its a global setting. >> There are multiple ways to achieve this. Parsing To: is one of the >> more fragile ways. Far more effective and near-guaranteed to be >> correct (except for the standard broken software case as above) is >> tracking In-Reply-To: from your original post(s). > That depends on keeping a database of sent message-ids and comparing > In-Reply-To against each of them. Few clients support this. Ignoring the closed source or otherwise opaque cases (ie no LDA/MDA control): tracking In-Reply-To: headers is neither complex or expensive. I do it here and have done for years. Counting the opaque and transparent cases: Partially true. Most MUAs will happily thread under your original message. Note to self: Must investigate doing this sort of thing under Sieve. I'm fairly sure it's not possible (need to escape the Sieve sandbox for localFS access). > If you can recommend a decent text-based IMAP client that runs on Unix > and Win32 and which supports this functionality I'm all ears. Sorry, I don't track the Windows state of affairs. Its been 12 years since I used windows anything more than trivially and I've no interest in changing that. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] List Security
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:00:06 +0200 Dan Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pardon me for being a pain here, but isn't it ridiculously easy to > forge a From:, and also rather easy to forge an envelope? From: is trivial under many MTAs. Envelope requires understanding SMTP and driving that manually. However, this is largely moot: if you need strong(er) authentication in email systems, period, and this is not just limited to Mailman, you're basically into the realms of PKI. Exception: (I do this in a couple case) I require mail arriving with specific From: and Envelopes to also list specific addresses in the Received: headers. This is not strong, it is equally trivially forged as the envelope, but it is (currently) a sufficient barrier to entry to cut even the few who do forge envelopes that I've found. > Now I'll be humble and admit that I don't even know what an envelope > is. Crudely, its the "From " header (note the space). More usefully the envelope contains the return-path, the address to which a bounce should be sent back to if this message bounces. > So my question about the envelope really boils down to: if I have root > access on a machine other than the one Mailman is running on, can I > fool Mailman's envelope recognition? Absolutely. You don't need root access on any system to forge email. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] List Security
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:45:46 +0200 Dan Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was using Majordomo, but I got scared off when I realized that > anyone could bypass the list posting restrictions by posting to the > correct alias. (The normal list alias processes, then redirects to a > second alias which blindly transmits.) The "blind forward" alias shows > up in the headers, so I can't even hide it from people. Please > reassure me that Mailman does not have this vulnerability! Mailman doesn't use secret aliased. Mailman v2.0 authenticates on From: or envelope (you pick). Mailman v2.1 authenticates on From: and envelope. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] preferred sendmail replacement?
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:57:45 -0700 NOW Website Coordinator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We need a sendmail replacement (for Solaris) that is fast. Someone > had tried to get Qmail working with Mailman, but did not have success. > What sendmail replacement are you using for your Unix (preferably > Solaris) machine? Is it reliable? Fast (how big are your lists)? > Not too hard to configure and use? Please see the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Read only list
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:58:21 +0300 admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 3.11. How do I create a newsletter (admin-post only) ? ... I > this understands, but me necessary to know as mailman checks > authenticity sending - after all headline of the message much easy > fake - in majordomo - a line in tele letter " Approved: password" - > but here that? Only in v2.1. v2.0 checks either From: or envelope (configurable). v2.1 checks both can use a password header to approve posts thru the moderation interface. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Read only list
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:04:19 +0300 admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > !!!Hello! Heelp - Myyy !!! Please see the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] spam
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:42:33 -0700 (PDT) alex wetmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is very easy to forge the From: line in email. If a spammer forges > the From: line to have a user which is on your list then it will go > through. This isn't really a problem that Mailman itself can solve. v2.1 authenticates on envelope as well. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Silently discarding non-member posts
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:47:39 +0100 Mark Goodge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A pre-list spam filter will deal with some of it, but not all of it. That's very close to untrue. Note: TMDA can read mailman list configurations, and membership rosters in particular, and can filter on that basis. I've been fronting my lists with TMDA (see my HOWTO) for a few months now. Due to other accidents of history all of my lists are hand moderated. I can't state that a TMDA setup will catch all SPAM, but you might like the below: Stats: Prior to TMDA there was an average of 20 - 30 SPAM and virus messages per list in the moderation queue. Within the last three months I've had a grand total of __two__ virus messages reach the moderation interface for *ANY* list. No SPAM messages have reached any list's moderation interface. Caveats: I also do heavy MIME filtering via `mimefilter` along with TMDA filtering. Basically this means I remove all MIME parts which aren't text/plain or message/rfc822, and if the resulting message is less than 20 bytes long I silently discard it. (See the HOWTO for details) I deployed the MIME filter prior to deploying the TMDA filters. It was responsible for a considerable reduction in SPAM and virus mail reaching the moderation interfaces -- down from ~50 a day to 20 - 30. Definitely enough to notice, but no more. TMDA took it down so close to 0 as to be near indistinguishable. Observations: In three months of TMDA fronted list operation: Just over 30 addresses have been confirmed thru TMDA (ie posters posting from non-subscribed addresses). 2 valid posts from 2 different addresses were not confirmed. In the one case I was able to research fully it was due to misconfiguration of the mail systems at his ISP as his messages were sent with an invalid (ie bouncing) Return-Path. As TMDA sends the confirmation to the Return-Path, that didn't work. Given this (rather gross) screwup on his ISP's part, I don't consider this a problem. The other case's domain fell off the net before I was able to get around to tracking the details down. I'd be unsurprised it was a similarly screwed mail system. 5 members (who hit the TMDA confirmation) exclaimed something equivalent to: "If that's all that's required to work with this new filter then there's no problem at all!" One went on at some length. Asides from the five admiring comments, there have been no other comments from users on the TMDA aspects. Then again, TMDA is transparent to the majority of posting users as they post from subscribed addresses. Do you have any idea how pleasant it is to moderate lists which have zero SPAM and zero virus messages? And its been that way for months... -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] virus (worm) protection?
On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 00:48:14 +1000 Michael James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What is a good virus (worm) protection tool for mailman? > I'm working on a Mailman, Postfix, Sophos-Mailmonitor-Sweep setup. > Looks good but just got it working so I'll let you know. I take a multi-fold approach: 1) Front Mailman with TMDA 2) MIME strip all posts 3) Discard (silently) all messages which end up too short (20 bytes) after MIME stripping. 4) Authenticate against both From: and envelope (TMDA and Mailman) Since I added the TMDA setup my rate of SPAM and virus messages hitting the moderation interface (all my lists are hand moderated) has fallen from 20 - 30 a day to a grand total of two messages in the last three months. Quite an improvement. MIME stripping, which I implemented before TMDA, castrates all virus and the majority of SPAM, often whacking them down so hard that they fail the 20 byte rule and are discarded silently. The fat that it also makes posts that I want on my lists (no HTML etc), is also pleasant. Authentication against both From: and Envelope was useful in Mailman, but was a real gainer when it came along with TMDA. That, more so than the TMDA whitelist filtering, is what cleaned up my message stream. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Cached Name server - How does it speed up things?
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:39:44 +0100 Angel Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does a cached name server have to be on the exact same machine as > mailman? No, but you lose most of the benefits if its not. > I think it's pretty obvious that postfix seems to be the MTA of > choice... Postfix and Exim have (surprisingly) similar performance curves. I readily recommend either in large load cases. > so how to I transfer all my aliases over? That depends on how you configure your MTA. Simplest is to keep your system and Mailman alias lists separate. Under postfix that just means that you declare two alias maps alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases Under Exim its a bit easier as you don't actually need any aliases at all if you follow the HOW-TO. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] International headers.
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:21:33 +0300 Dmitri Gofmekler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Dear Mailman Users and authors, I have a small problem with an > archived messages with international headers. Is it possible to see > normal (decoded) subject instead this one: > =?koi8-r?B?8MXS18HRINfF0tPJ0SDMydPUwSDHz9TP18Eu?= Use a fully MIME aware archiver ala MHonARc. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Protecting user data
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:15:08 -0700 (PDT) > Since there are several users on my list who are running my software > and posting to the list from the same server, I need to be able to > protect them - otherwise, we will not be able to safely discuss issues > such as security concerns again. Pipe the list messages thru a procmail filter which uses formail to remove all Received: headers prior to passing the message on to Mailman. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question?
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:09:40 -0400 Stephane Bachand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have run into a problem that, when I sent a message with > attachments, the users who had digest messages selected did not > receive the attachments. Is there a way to correct this? MIME digests. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Virus Scanning
On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:38:58 +0100 Angel Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I would like to do, is to kill them at the source or > distribution, ie, sendmail. How can I add virus protection to my email > gateway, to stop them getting in, AND out? Please see the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Then examine your MTA documentation (note: the outbound side is considerably easier under Exim). -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digests mess up attachments
On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:18:19 -0600 Mark Lohaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When digests are not selected then the individual email come though > fine. Is there any way to avoid this problem? MIME digests. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail List Encryption
On 25 Sep 2002 09:37:03 -0400 Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I find it hard to believe that you would want an open mailing list > manager like Mailman *and* want to run encrypted email out of it... There are a number of uses for crypted lists ranging from cypherpunks to discussion of sensitive material. Architecturally it can be accomplished at either the MLM or MTA level without enourmous difficulty. The problems arise when you start confronting the PKI issues, the human usability issues, and the server-side performance issues. There are no "right" answers to any of them. > Wouldn't you be happier with a semi-static mailing alias and then > having all your folks use PGP (or GPG) to encrypt their email? A common definition of a crypted list: Mail sent to the list is crpyted with the list's public key. The list uncrypts the mail and broadcasts it to each member. Prior to transmission each message is crypted with that individual member's public key. ObNote: This is the easiest model to do at the MTA level. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Not Sure If These Made It Out...
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:23:28 -0500 Jim Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jim > [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] This is solely due to outlook misinterpreting the Sender header in violation of the RFC definition. Complain to Microsoft. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Postfix alias files
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:01:56 -0600 Kory Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Question, what are the alias files configured like for POSTFIX when > using Mailman, are they the same syntax as Sendmail? With the rare exceptions of QMail, all Unix alias files have the same format. Caveat: Sendmail smrsh, which doesn't change the alias file format, but does change its external requirements. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Oh no! Multiple Emails going out to people!
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:37:32 +0100 Angel Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to know, how I can strip duplicate emails out of my > subscriber list. Apparently, multiple emails are being sent out to > people, and I'm not sure how to stop this. People are getting pissed > off, and are complaining If multiple versions of the same person's address are in your DB there's not much you can do other than having them individually clean up their own accounts. Exception: You can likely (not guaranteed) assume that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the same as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Export your subscriber list out to a text file (list-members) and then run a sed script to find these duplicates. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Was Does mailman support a MySQL backend? - Now MTA tweaking!
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:32:10 +0100 Angel Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > THREE T3's and a couple of T1's? Gees... That box is located at a tier 2 ISP. > How can I tell the performance of my server? I decided to send out my > list over the weekend... I came in today, *monday* and I found that a > LOT of email boxes had gotten repeat emails, and really pissed off my > subscribers. Typically this is due to a broken MTA at one of the MXes you are delivering to which is using the wrong response code for "mailbox full" or some similar soft error. > And I don't mean like two or three I mean REPEAT emails, like 12, > 13. How can I found out what caused this? Read your MTA logs. Carefully. Get several copies of those messages (with full headers) from several different people and analyse their Received: headers. Determine from the above exactly where the problem is. and whose responsibility it is. Fix. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman limitations?
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:08:07 -0700 mzlittle wrote: > I'm looking for a mailing list manager that will not choke on a user > base of 5000 - 1 recipients. I have just opened the mailman > homepage for the first time and did not see anything on > performance. Could you shed some light on the subject? Please see the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:47:15 -0400 Barry A Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...he maintains on the elspy project on SF. You know, eslpy would make a wicked TMDA integration base... -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Was Does mailman support a MySQL backend? - Now MTA tweaking!
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:55:31 +0100 Angel Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's seems that it is a matter of personal prefrance as to the MTA to > use... which just left me stuck!! http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.002.htp http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.002.htp http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.003.htp http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.004.htp http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.006.htp ObNote: I regularly sustain 1,400 deliveries per minute or better with both Exim and Postfix. At times, depending on target MX distribution, I've sustained just over 2,100 deliveries per minute. Caveats: I have a unusual distribution of target MXes and users. Example: AOL+MSN+HotMail+Yahoo together forms less than 3% of my subscriber base. > I also read someone amoung the many pages, that mailman uses it's own > delivery mechanism... is that correct? Yes, just to get to the MTA that will do final delivery. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: [Mailman-Users] Stopping PGP signatures
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:36:48 +0200 p schoenfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So why do you want to stripoff privacy things? On some lists PGP wrappers and sigs are noise. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:18:25 +0100 Angel Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What would be a better MTA to use? Any recommendations? Please see the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py As stated there I generically recommend both Exim and Postfix, for the reasons stated there. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?
On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:37:38 +0100 Angel Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm using RH 7.3 and I have a DSL line @ 256k upload - I havn't even > attempted to send messages to list anymore, because I can't even get > the web interface to come up, it times out. I adjusted the cf files > manually to show 3000 addresses per page, and STILL the pages time > out. I'm thinking of using a diffrent application to send out my > email. I know a lot of the addresses are going to bounce, and that is > REALLY going to mess up performance, it's such a shame, we've spent > FOUR years collecting these addreses, from 16 diffrenct universities > up and down England. The thing that worries me, is the bouncing mail, > I don't mind if my server takes three days to send all the mail, it's > a one way list, I just want to increase performance when it comes to > admin tasks. Use v2.1 with a database adaptor for the membership roster. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:39:03 +0100 Angel Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Could someone explain to me what VERP is?? lol thanks! DJB has a page on it at cr.yp.to, -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Big headers
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:32:54 -0700 G Armour Van Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe that there is a setting for the number sent in a batch, but > to go from 500 (default, I think) to 1 would be an excruciating hit to > your performance. See the FAQ. The sweet spot is typically in the range of 5 - 10. > I believe all of the discussion-list type servers (Mailman, listserv, > Mercury, Majordomo, et al) use the same mechanism, so the ISPs that > are using this technique for stopping spam will have to address > legitimate list servers. Sadly, nope. SMTP is an unreliable transport. ISPs have no especial obligation to deliver received mail to their addressed users (no matter that those users and we may feel differently). Further, the ISPs won't reveal the filter controls they are using as they don't want the SPAMmers working they're way around them (they also change them regularly as the SPAMmers empirically deduce the values). -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:57:19 -0700 Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The list admin will receive the bounce message(s)... False. The admin will receive copies of bounce messages that Mailman was unable to reliably process. > The current stable version of Mailman doesn't support any sort of > automatic bounce handling; ... False. Mailman v 2.0 has a poorly documented bounce handling system that works reasonably (not well, not horribly). Its largely unconfigurable beyond what action to take on bouncers (nomail, unsubscribe, etc). > ... I'm not sure if future versions will. v2.1 Improves on this situation significantly -- not to the level of full VERP, but close. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Changing content before approving message
On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:00:11 -0600 Kory Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a way when the moderator receive a message, and before he > approves it to be sent to the mailing list, to change the content and > the from address in the message and then send it to the list with > these changes or updates in place. Please see the FAQ. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] edits
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:49:09 -0400 news wrote: > Any way to edit a moderated message before posting it... Please see the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Data files
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:14:43 +0200 Pieter Boshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, I need to know what the name is of the db file is where all > the e-mail addresses are hosted for a mailman list. config.db. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] rmlist
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:27:36 -0600 Ashley M Kirchner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > J C Lawrence wrote: >> No need. Just blow away the list directory, archive directories and >> files, and any aliases manually. That's all that rmlist does... > That's not why I said to escalate it up. Yes there are ways of > removing the list without mercy, however I do believe that Mailman > should try to remove it, regardless of someone making the mistake of > having odd characters in the list name. Unless this particular > problem is a python issue, in which case I think we should mention it > to the python folks. More simply: newlist should refuse to make lists with illegal names (eg whitespace is illegal in addresses). -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] rmlist
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:44:38 -0600 Ashley M Kirchner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oy, you got me. This will have to go to the upper level folks > (i.e.. Barry)... No need. Just blow away the list directory, archive directories and files, and any aliases manually. That's all that rmlist does... -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Qmail, FreeBSD problems?
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:16:22 +0100 John Wards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also I have emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] and that > comes through to me no bother. What do the Mailman logs say? What do your MTA logs say? -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Administartiva: MailDelays
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:53:08 +0200 MJ2 wrote: > What is the reason, that some e-mails get delayed for days in > this list? Moderation. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Headers/Footers
On Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:31:30 -0400 Darren Nye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I edited the Header and Footer on the nondigest page, prior to sending > my first email to the list. However, the Header and Footer didn't > appear in the email that was sent out. Any thoughts/suggestions? You sent a MIME message. Please see the FAQ. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] large list questions (15000 users)
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:22:57 +0200 (CEST) Lars Andersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. Can mailman handle such large lists Yes. see the FAQ. > 2. Is there a simple way to limit what the administrator of a list can > change when he is administering a list? For example, I don't want him > to be able to change the max post size for mailinglist. There are slightly better controls for this under Mailman2.1 than 2.0. > 3. If he uses the web interface to handle his list, does it scale up > to 15.000 users? Yes, tho without a rather fast machine you'll want to start looking at using an external data store for your membership roster (Mailman v2.1). > 4. Is there any other problems running such a big list that I should > be aware of before I go ahead and implement the list. Please see the FAQ. > 5. User administration. It would be best for me if the owner of the > list could handle unsubscriptions by sending mail to Mailman (without > knowing the password for the user he wants to unsubscribe). Is this > possible or does he need to use the web interface? I know you can do > a lot of things on the command line and by using the web interface but > this administrator wants to use mail for this kind of commands. It's > also the fastest way when he has so many users. He can use the list password. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders
On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 17:45:26 -0500 Doc Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thought this was fixed by upgrading to MM 2.0.12 > Is there a fix for this? v2.1 -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Lists with spaces in the name
On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:30:35 -0400 Kevin Flanagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It appears that a list with a space in the name isn't quite happy, has > anyone else had this trouble? I created a new list with - in place of > the space and all is well. Spaces are not allowed in the LHS of email addresses. See RFC 2822 for details. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Serialize?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Serialize?
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:08:00 -0700 G Armour Van Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But not until you say so! As with all software upgrades you get to decide when something is ready for deployment on your systems, nobody else. The criteria you use for those decisions is private to you and has no necessary relations to the criteria or statements of anyone else. Translation: Make up your own mind, make your own choices, support your arguments with your own reasoning. There are several production systems that I'm runnign straight out of that source base's CVS repository. You can't get much more raw than that. Similarly there are several other production systems that are two or three whole major versions back in the past purely becuase I don't trust the current versions. Inform youself of the layout and values of the the field and then pick. This is OSS. There are no magic "This product is now golden" bullets. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Serialize?
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:54:23 -0600 Ashley M Kirchner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ya, I realize all of this, however I have clients who would like, are > requesting, and generally want this type of mechanism built in. The > main reason is because many of the subscribers no longer remember what > e-mail address they used to subscribe, and consequently don't know > what to use to UNsubscribe. Having Mailman serialize its messages > will provide a simple way for them to unsubscribe. 0) That is what the password reminders are for: They remind people that they are subscribed, and under what address etc. 1) See VERP 2) Search the list archives for references to VERP, and in particular Chuq von Rospach's analysis. 3) Mailman v2.1 can do VERP (kinda) -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to reconstruct MIME Attachments
On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:16:54 +0200 (MET DST) Mailman Administrator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, subscribers of my mailing lists keep asking me how they can > download attached files from messages that are in the archives or > reconstruct Attachments from the daily batches they receive. Since > most of them seemed rather unexperienced (just as I am), could > somebody point out an easy way to decode the MIME-attachments from the > Archive pages... Or can I change something in the Preferences to make > their lives easier? Have them use MIME digests instead of text digests. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Greg Westin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With all this discussion of archiving, I have to ask: What does it say > about the developers' confidence in Mailman that this list isn't > archived by Mailman, but by an external service? The Mailman lists are archived at python.org using Pipermail, Mailman's internal archiver. They are also archived at various other external sites which use various other tools. Don't confuse the two. > This is like when I was having trouble setting up Mailman on Mac OS X, > and then discovered that Apple doesn't use Macs for its mail servers, > it uses Sun computers. As does Microsoft FWIW -- they just hide it better. Also note that in Apple's case the Sun box in question is bigger than any of the boxes that Apple currently makes and sells. > It seems to me that if this list is archived externally, maybe I, too, > should look into that as an option. The internal archiver in mailman 2.1 is considerably more capable than the archiver in Mailman 2.0. It does not and likely never will match the capability of external tools like MHonArc. If there's something you want from your archiver that Pipermail can't offer, then investigate using an external archiver. Otherwise look at the archiver in v2.1. I use an external archiver for my lists (see the FAQ for details) as I want a variety of extra feature supports that Pipermail cannot offer (eg replies from the web). Other's find Pipermail's feature set quite acceptable, especially in v2.1. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] "relaying prohibited by admin" error
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:11:33 +0800 Wolfram Knipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > is there a better alternative to sendmail then? Please see the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
