Re: [Mailman-Users] Question for you

2004-03-20 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 23:31, Healing-Oils.com wrote:
 I want to know if it's possible to subscribe someone without logging
 into the Mailman web interface.  I have a form on my site that asks
 users if they want to join.  If so, I would like to make a php script
 that will automatically send MailMan an email that will subscribe the
 user.

As long as you've got your aliases are setup properly in your MTA, you
should be able to send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's
the same with -unsubscribe. You can also send an email to
yourlist-request with subscribe/unsubscribe in the subject.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Question for you

2004-03-20 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 19:24, Healing-Oils.com wrote:
 Won't this send a confirmation email to the user though?  If the customer
 indicates that they want to subscribe, and they provide their email address
 on my website, then I would like to be able to have my website automatically
 send off an email that will subscribe them.
 
 So is there any way to do this so that a confirmation email is not sent to
 the end user?

See the previous thread Stop the Confirmation E-Mail for why this is a
*very* Bad Idea:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-March/035429.html
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-March/035441.html

A summary of the points raised:

SMTP is trivial to forge, and abuse. There is nothing to stop malicious
users subscribing all and sundry to your mailing list, thereby creating
more spam. You'll probably (hopefully) end up being blacklisted by a few
of the major DNSBL's - reducing the likelihood of any of your ML mail
getting through at all.

There are several anti-spam laws in the works that will *require*
confirmation for mailing list subscription.

It's just plain irresponsible behaviour. Read the thread for the full
discussion.

-j

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Only administrator can send messages

2004-03-19 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 08:22, Pedro Rosa wrote:
 I want to have a newsletter, so I would like to know how I can
 configure my Mailman list for it only accepts messeges from
 administrator and moderators. Where can I configure it?

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.11


You could try looking at the FAQ first, before asking a question that's
been asked a million times over, but then again, that'd take effort...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Email's

2004-03-18 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 21:28, Noel Materna wrote:
 Is there anyway to have HTML code transfer through
 mailman. I have setup outlook to use HTML and stuck
 an HTML ad as it were. It looks great in my email
 but doesn't get sent to my list users.

That's by design, HTML mail is *evil* (and created by Satan, AKA MS). If
you don't believe me:

http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml
http://www.usethesource.com/articles/03/04/07/14.shtml

 As an example: 
 
 
snip spam

You really think we needed that spam from Y! Groups?

Get a clue (tm), and do the Right Thing, don't spam your poor innocent
users with evil HTML spam.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Stop the Confirmation E-Mail

2004-03-17 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 23:12, Steven Massey wrote:
 Jon,
 
 Thanks for the response.  I would tend to agree with you, but this 
 client is particularly insistent on setting it up this way.  Perhaps 
 people on the list could help me by providing some fodder to argue why 
 there should be a confirmation e-mail.  I've tried saying that people 
 could be maliciously signed up for a list they never wanted to be on, 
 but they don't seem to think that is really an issue.  Are there other 
 reasons I can provide?  Even the smallest things could be useful.

[This may come out slightly stronger than I intended, but it's something
I feel very strongly about - spam...]

A single forged email is all that's needed to get someone subscribed to
a mailing list they didn't want to be subscribed to, and it is far too
easy to forge the sender with SMTP.

By doing that you're simply creating *more spam*, and probably
(hopefully - it'd mean they'd be doing their job) end up blacklisted by
the major RBL's, not to mention have lots of irate users asking you why
they are subscribed to a mailing list they didn't want.

That would mean that most of the mail sent out by your client (and your
server) would be promptly rejected.

Not requiring confirmation also means you can end up with a mass of
email addresses that aren't valid on your mailing list, creating endless
bounces, and more work for your MTA (and Mailman).

If you or your client doesn't think that is going to happen (IOW the
mailing list won't get any spam), they need to get a clue - it won't be
long before you start getting spam to those ML's. If you have any sense
of responsibility you'll persuade them that this is definitely not what
they want.

Just my opinion... take it or leave it..

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Virus sent to lists from my domain - add password for moderated users

2004-03-16 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
Hey Arthur,

On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 18:53, Arthur Gibbs wrote:
 Using Mailman 2.1.3, we have had problems with virus-generated messages with
 spoofed senders getting through to a one-way list.

IMHO this is not something Mailman should worry about, it's a problem
for the MTA, either use SPF, DNSSEC, etc.

Under Postfix you can just run two instances, one for inbound mail, one
for outbound mail, the inbound instance doesn't accept mail appearing to
come *from* your domain. Of course this doesn't solve other spoofed
addresses, the answer to this lies in such things as SPF.

You could suggest the idea of passwords for every post to the MM3-dev
list, but other than that I don't think Mailman should have to worry
about spoofed senders, it's not its job.

Just my £0.02p

-j

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Can we get rid of these nuisance bounces for posters

2004-03-16 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 22:08, Jon Carnes wrote:
 One to two folks are bogusly attempting to feed the list traffic
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) into their own local site lists. These
 generate multiple bounces for every post to the list.

I contacted the postmaster at both sites, and one of them replied, and
the problem has been solved, but I'm still getting one bounce with every
post from ops.org, from which I didn't get a reply to my request (I
didn't honestly expect any replies at all).

It's getting extremely annoying.

 Can we verp for a bit and nuke these guys (please!)

I'll second that.

-j

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help stopping Virus sent to lists from my domain

2004-03-11 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 17:28, Caleb Epstein wrote:
 On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 11:59:50AM -0500, Caleb Epstein wrote:
   OK, I've found out a little bit more about the exploit.  The
   message is sent with an envelope-from (I think thats the right
   term) of an actual list subscriber, one who has permission to
   post to the list, but the From: header is one of these made-up
   official addresss:
snip
   Any suggestions on how to catch this forgery?

This type of forgery is usually best handled at the MTA level, I've
setup Postfix to reject mail which appears to originate locally, but is
being received from somewhere else, You don't say what MTA you're using,
but I'm sure there is similar functionality available.

Secondly, all mail to my lists is first sent to a content filter (in my
case, amavis-new) for analysis, which uses SA/clamd to catch most spam
and virii, which means that such mail is stopped before it ever reaches
Mailman.

HTH

-j

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Remove URL from mailman messages

2004-03-11 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 14:30, Artman.John wrote:
 I'm trying to figure out how to remove the URL at the end of all
 messages that come through the listthe mailman server will not be
 accessible via http to users outside our network, however it will mail
 to them.  Any help is appreciated.

Take a look at the msg_footer option.

-j

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How i can change current directory in side the externalmethod

2004-03-09 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 14:32, Karunya Institute Team wrote:
 How i can change current directory in side the externalmethod

I don't understand what you mean, please elaborate. Repeat posting is
not going to help your cause.

-j

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Maiman Footer

2004-03-09 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 09:14, sdfsd iuyiuy wrote:
 Is it possible to make footers that will link to a web page?

Take look at msg_footer setting under Non-Digest options.

-j
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] virtualhost and list creator password?

2004-03-08 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
Hey Jason,

On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 02:53, Jason Parsons wrote:
 I'm using the add_virtualhost directive to create multiple mailman 
 virtual hosts.  I've been unable to find the answer to one issue, 
 though:
 
 Is it possible to give assign an owner/password for each virtual host, 
 allowing that owner to create/delete lists on that virtual host without 
 having rights to any other virtual host?  The only thing I find is 
 mmsitepass, which seems to apply globally.
 
 Any pointers appreciated.

I asked this question awhile ago, the short answer is that it's not
possible...yet. According to Barry Mailman's handling of virtual hosting
is going to be 'revamped' for MM3, which should solve the problem.

Take a look at these threads:

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.mailman.devel/15655
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.mailman.user/46839

HTH

-j

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing with email interface without confirmation

2004-03-07 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 16:32, Mariano Wahlmann wrote:
 How can i subscribe users without email confirmation (like mass
 subscription in the web interface)? (i'm list manager).

Funnily enough there's a 'Mass Subscribe' page in mailman's
administrative interface, where you'll find you're given the option to
send invite/subscribe, and whether to send welcome messages.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] inserting fields into a message

2004-03-07 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 05:58, E Publisher wrote:
 Hi, 
 
 I've installed mailman to use as a mailing list (as opposed a
 discussion list) and I want to do something similar to what can be done
 in, say, Outlook when sending bulk emails and merging in data fields.
 
 Specifically, I want mailman to automatically insert the subscriber's
 email address into the body or footer of my message. Is it possible to
 insert a field in this way?

You need to enable full personalisation for your mailing list, you'll
find it in the web admin interface.

Next time, take a quick look at the archives, there have been plenty of
threads on this exact subject.

-j

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Re: [Mailman-Users] i am not getting any mails to my list

2004-03-05 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 05:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have installed mailman-2.1.4.tgz in RedHat Linux 9.0 and using 
  postfix-1.1.12-1 .
 
 My Problem is i am not getting mail which i sent to the list named 
 systest.
 
 but in /var/log/maillog , it shows status as sent .i don't know what 
 happend to that mail.
 
 I checked in mailman FAQ.still i couldn't solve this problem.
 can any one give me a good source abt configuring mailman with postfix.
 can any one  help me to solve this.

Make sure that the Mailman qrunner processes are started (ps waux | grep
qrunner), if they aren't start them by using 'mailmanctl start', under
my Debian installation that's at /var/lib/mailman/bin but YMMV.

Concerning using Mailman with Postfix check the README.POSTFIX file that
comes with Mailman it has detailed instructions on what you need to
change in Postfix to get it to work with Mailman. 

If however you're using virtual domains as I am, then you'll need
something else - I'm using a python script called postfix-to-mailman,
then all mailing list mail gets sent to lists.* which is fed to
postfix-to-mailman.py by Postfix, and then goes on to Mailman. It's not
pretty (it's a resource hog, since mail has to be fed to a python
script, and Postfix can't know whether the mail it accepts for
lists.whatever will bounce), but having said all that, it does work.

If you want it - it's available at:
http://www.gurulabs.com/files/postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py

HTH

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help??

2004-03-05 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 23:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I need a little bit of help with the configuration
 
 What we are basically gonna use the mail list for is for mass emails (i have 
 a site where i post upcomin music events happening in the area, and we send 
 weekly emails with upcomin events to subscribed persons)
 what setting should i use to do this??
 I only want one email address to be able to send emails to everyone. 
 thanks!!!

Use the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.11

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Restriction

2004-03-05 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 10:23,  Shouhei wrote:
 I am totally new to mailman and I would like to know how to set it so only 
 Admins can post and members cant and they can only view the emails? Please 
 help. Thankyou.

Use the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.11
and see the docs at: http://www.list.org/docs.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] email posted to archive on correct date but members didn't receive email til one month later

2004-03-05 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 16:35, Craig Elkins wrote:
 I apologize if this is a repeat email. Basically, I'm trying to figure
 out why an email posted on feb 4th (it's in the archives) and the list
 members didn't receive it until today!  Any help would be greatly
 appreciated.

Firstly, please don't send HTML mail...

Have you tried looking at the logs both from your MTA and Mailman?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] adding email address to footer

2004-02-19 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 06:22, E Publisher wrote:
 How do I add the member's email address to my message?
 
 For example, in the footer of messages that come from this Mailman
 users list it has: 
 
 This message was sent to: {my email address}
 
 How can I do that to my own lists?

You need to enable personalisation:

Under Non-Digest options, ensure that 'personalize' is set to either Yes
or Full. Then you can make use of additional variables, one of which
being user_address, which is the user's address, and user_delivered_to
which is the address that the user subscribed with.

HTH

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Re: [Mailman-Users] can i hide an internal host that hosts mailing lists?

2004-02-11 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
Hey Robert,

On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 12:11, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
   (i'm new to mailman, and still working my way through the FAQ and docs,
 so if there's a simple URL that addresses this, that would be just ducky.)

Read through Defaults.py, under Debian it resides at
/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py but if you are using another
distribution YMMV. It's very liberally commented, so you shouldn't have
any trouble with it. It says it in their, but I'll repeat it anyway,
don't make changes to Defaults.py, because it'll be overwritten whenever
you upgrade Mailman to a new version, instead make the changes in your
mm_cfg.py file (on Debian that's in /etc/mailman).

   if you subscribe to a list, the confirmation message asks you to reply
 to internal.yoyodyne.com.  
 
   is it possible to *completely* conceal the internal name of a mailing
 list host?  during configuration, i did my best to avoid using the 
 internal name and used only the lists name, but i'm assuming that
 mailman is invoking hostname or something to that effect somewhere
 along the way.

The DEFAULT_URL, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST all control the
hostname which Mailman uses for its web interface, and on the emails
that it sends.

DEFAULT_URL   = 'http://lists.yoyodyne.com'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.yoyodyne.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.yoyodyne.com'

From Defaults.py:

Mailman needs to know about (at least) two fully-qualified domain names
(fqdn); 1) the hostname used in your urls, and 2) the hostname used in
email addresses for your domain.  For example, if people visit your
Mailman system with http://www.dom.ain/mailman; then your url fqdn is
www.dom.ain, and if people send mail to your system via
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controls the former, and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST controls the latter. 
Mailman also needs to know how to map from one to the other (this is
especially important if you're running with virtual domains).  You use
add_virtualhost(urlfqdn, emailfqdn) to add new mappings.

HTH

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Blank password problem

2004-02-11 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 16:47, Bob Alexander wrote:
 One of them just entered his email and then pressed ENTER.
 
 Of course in this way he did not enter a PASSWORD (or his real name).
 
 He did complete the registration confirmation process ok but when he 
 tried to login into his profile he could not since he had no password ...
 
 Can I fix this (like forcing a user to input a password in the web 
 interface) ??

If they don't enter a password Mailman will create a random one for
them, and they can use the web interface to get their password emailed
to them.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains and admin passwords

2004-02-09 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
I still haven't got any answers to this, and I could really do with one.
Is there any way of having different passwords for list creation based
on the virtual domain, so for example, pass1 for lists.xyz.com and pass2
for lists.abc123.com...?

Thanks in advance

On Fri, 2004-02-06 at 04:14, Jamie Penman-Smithson wrote:
 Hey all,
 
 Currently I've got mailman setup with virtual domains support, it works
 by having a sub-domain assigned to mailman - lists (ex.
 lists.somewhere.net, lists.otherplace.org, etc.). This is all fine and
 good, except that all of the domains share the same site administrator
 password. 
 
 Is there anyway of allowing users to add/remove/change mailing lists
 only on their site? In other words, they use a password to access the
 admin interface to add mailing lists, but it only works on a particular
 domain...?
 
 I've googled on the subject, but couldn't find anything relevant...
 
 Many thanks in advance,
 
 -j

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe

2004-02-06 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Fri, 2004-02-06 at 07:34, Jake Sadoff wrote:
  Hello all,
 
 I'm wondering if anyone can help me ... I need a way to allow users to
 automatically unsubscribe themselves from my mailman list by filling out a
 form.  Right now, users have to email me asking to be removed, and then I
 have to do it manually for each user/request, which is taking way too
 long.   Any help would be s much appreciated!!!
 
 Thank you!!
 Jake 

If you've got the web interface setup correctly they need only go to
that, enter their email address and click unsubscribe, or - even easier
- send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - as long as you've got
Privacy Options / unsubscribe_policy set to 'No', unsubscribe requests
won't be moderated, which is the [only reasonable] default.

Just a suggestion for future postings - some people might ignore your
message because it *looks* from the subject just like another 'I can't
figure out how to unsubscribe so I'll try sending an email to the
mailing list' message.

-j

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman 2.1.4 - URGENT !!!

2004-02-06 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
Alessandro Luiz Petrocino said:
 I need some help over here ... hehehe ...

You don't say... Try not being so hysterical about your problem next time,
and obeying simple list etiquette - like ensuring you only send one
message to the list.

 1.) When I try to create a new list, over the web
 (http://www.example.com/mailman/create),
 I got the message: Error: Unknown virtual host: mydomain.com.br

You didn't say, but I assume from this that you're using virtual hosts
with mailman?

If this is the case, you need to set VIRTUAL_HOSTS in your mm_cfg.py
config file, for example:

VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'lists.site1.org':'site1.org',
 'lists.example.net':'example.net',
 'lists.site5.com':'site5.com')

If you don't want to use virtual hosts with mailman, you need to remove
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS, and set VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW to false (0).
See the README.POSTFIX documentation included with MM, it's very

 So, I can't create a new list over the web, but I can create by
 a command line (./newlist) ...

Yes, because the create cgi looks at the VIRTUAL_HOSTS directive to find
out about your virtual hosts. If it can't find a VIRTUAL_HOSTS directive,
it won't recognise that virtual host.

 When I create a new list, and I post to this list, the message
 dissapers ! I can't find it !!! Bizzare ...

Unless you include verbose logs of what's happening when you try to send a
message to the list, nobody can help you.

How are you integrating Mailman and Postfix? (there are various different
methods)

Check /var/log/mail.log and see if Postfix is delivering to mailman
properly, and check all the logs under /var/log/mailman to see what's
happening. Also check if qrunner is running, ps waux | grep qrunner - if
it isn't run mailmanctl start. Note that these paths are probably
different on Fedora.

 This is the minor of the problems ...

 2.) I was a problem, have no idea how to solve this ...

 When I'm using a different language (like Portuguese - pt_BR), the
 Mailman crashes, and give
 this message in the web:

snip

Unfortunately, I haven't got any experience with using different languages
with mailman so I can't help with this one.

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[Mailman-Users] Virtual domains and admin passwords

2004-02-05 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
Hey all,

Currently I've got mailman setup with virtual domains support, it works
by having a sub-domain assigned to mailman - lists (ex.
lists.somewhere.net, lists.otherplace.org, etc.). This is all fine and
good, except that all of the domains share the same site administrator
password. 

Is there anyway of allowing users to add/remove/change mailing lists
only on their site? In other words, they use a password to access the
admin interface to add mailing lists, but it only works on a particular
domain...?

I've googled on the subject, but couldn't find anything relevant...

Many thanks in advance,

-j

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Using postfix-to-mailman-2.1

2004-01-03 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
Hey Ross,

On Sat, 2004-01-03 at 21:09, Ross McKillop wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I'm having a small problem getting mailman to work with my postfix 
 setup, the easiest method I've found is postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py (from 
 http://www.gurulabs.com/files/postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py) but not having 
 much success with it... hoping someone on this list can shed a little 
 light on it...
 
 Postfix is running with MailScanner so I have /etc/postfix and 
 /etc/postfix.in (the incoming MTA)

Running Postfix with MailScanner is not recommended due to the unsafe
way in which MS manipulates Postfix queue files (dangerously). Expect
bad things to happen.

 /etc/postfix.in/master.cf
   mailman   unix  -   n   n   -   -   pipe
 flags=FR user=mailman:mailman
 argv=/usr/local/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user}

Don't quote me on this, but in my master.cf I just have a user as part
of the user= argument, with no group. Try omitting the group, and
running with just user=mailman. *AFAIK* user= doesn't need the
':group' part.

Hope this helps,

-j

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Re: MailScanner (Was: Re: [Mailman-Users] Using postfix-to-mailman-2.1)]

2004-01-03 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
I was unable to send this to Ross directly, so I'm replying through the
list:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: host mail.iross.net[81.168.25.83] said: 554
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Relay access denied (in reply to RCPT TO
command)

-j

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 To: Ross McKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: MailScanner (Was: Re: [Mailman-Users] Using postfix-to-mailman-2.1)
 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 01:36:22 +
 
 Hey Ross,
 
 On Sun, 2004-01-04 at 00:55, Ross McKillop wrote:
  Do you have a better suggestion for virus filtering with postfix?  I've 
  been quite happy with MailScanner so far and not had any problems... 
  use it on about 3 or 4 mail servers but always happy to look at new 
  ways of solving problems : )
 
 I personally use amavis-new[1] which works fine for me, however your
 mileage may vary. Not only does it scan for viruses, but it can
 optionally call spamassassin to check the message as well.
 
 One point which may be an issue - it is a memory hog. I recently moved
 it over to another box because it was overloading my old 466MHz Intel
 Celeron. You might not have those same problems, but I'm a poor student
 and have to deal with what I've got :)
 
 You could also try, amavis-ng (I couldn't get this working myself, but
 others probably have).
 
 -j
 
 [1] http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation

2004-01-02 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 16:26, Jahir Jimenez wrote:
 I want to install this tool to make my mail list public for other users
 on my Company Network, but, I don't know how to install it or manage the
 .tar file that you send to me Because I'm not too expert about linux's
 systems. If you got some documents or something to help me I'll
 appreciate it.

There is extensive documentation for Mailman at (surprise)
http://www.list.org - I suggest that if you are new to UNIX or Linux you
become comfortable with that before embarking on an installation of a
complex application such as Mailman.

See www.tldp.org for Linux related documentation, and the Linux FAQ at
http://www.tldp.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/index.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] backing up data

2004-01-02 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 21:30, aryross wrote:
 Hello
 In the mailman program, how do I back up my data?
 Is there a list of subscribers?

RTFM

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.006.htp

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending

2003-12-29 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
Hey Michael,

On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 01:07, Michael Sullivan wrote:
 I got mailman to run earlier this evening and I can get to the listinfo
 page on the internet.  I subscribed myself to the list, but I haven't
 gotten any confirmation email or anything from the list.  I've read over
 the mailman FAQ 3.14, but didn't find anything helpful.  I did all the
 tests, but it didn't tell me what to do with the results.  Please
 help!!!

Have you tried running 'mailmanctl start', and check that you have
something like the following processes running:

list  5336  0.0  0.4  7852  236 ?SDec26   0:00
/usr/bin/python ./mailmanctl start
list  5337  0.0  1.6  8416  984 ?SDec26   1:25
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
list  5338  0.0  1.5  7668  892 ?SDec26   1:13
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1
-s
list  5339  0.0  1.4  7916  832 ?SDec26   0:41
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1
-s
list  5340  0.0  1.6  7956  940 ?SDec26   1:19
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1
-s
list  5341  0.0  1.3  7708  812 ?SDec26   1:09
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
list  5342  0.0  1.8  8052 1060 ?SDec26   1:09
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1
-s
list  5343  0.0  1.4  7944  840 ?SDec26   0:50
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1
-s
list  5344  0.0  0.7  7684  412 ?SDec26   0:38
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s

I was having the same problem with mailman's mail not being delivered,
and the above solved it. I've been told that it's included in the FAQ
(*makes a new years resolution to read documentation more closely in
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman not delivering mail back to Postfix

2003-12-25 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
Hey all,

I've got postfix{-tls,-mysql}, Mailman, and postfix-to-mailman 2.1 
(http://www.gurulabs.com/files/postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py) setup on Debian Sid 
(unstable):

lorien:~# dpkg -l postfix* | grep ^ii
ii  postfix2.0.16-4   A high-performance mail transport agent
ii  postfix-ldap   2.0.16-4   LDAP map support for Postfix
ii  postfix-mysql  2.0.16-4   MYSQL map support for Postfix
ii  postfix-pcre   2.0.16-4   PCRE map support for Postfix
ii  postfix-tls2.0.16-4   TLS and SASL support for Postfix

lorien:~# dpkg -l mailman* | grep ^ii
ii  mailman2.1.3-2Powerful, web-based mailing list manager

I've setup a list using the web interface, and it's been added successfully:

lorien:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./list_lists
2 matching mailing lists found:
Mailman - [no description available]
sd-announce - Silverdream IS news
lorien:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./list_admins sd-announce
List: sd-announce,  Owners: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Postfix shows that the mail has been sent to postfix-to-mailman:

Dec 26 01:47:25 lorien amavis[2532]: (02532-02) Passed, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL 
PROTECTED], Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hits: 0.048
Dec 26 01:47:26 lorien postfix/smtp[2786]: 376707846: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], 
relay=192.168.1.6[192.168.1.6], delay=101, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, id=02532-02, 
from MTA: 250 Ok: queued as 5175F7849)
Dec 26 01:47:26 lorien amavis[2532]: (02532-02) ESMTP: NOTICE: client broke the 
connection without a QUIT
Dec 26 01:47:29 lorien postfix/pipe[2799]: 5175F7849: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], 
relay=mailman, delay=6, status=sent (lists.silverdream.org)

Dec 26 02:33:39 lorien postfix/qmgr[2879]: E6558785E: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], 
size=1374, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Dec 26 02:33:44 lorien amavis[2387]: (02387-05) Passed, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL 
PROTECTED], Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hits: 0.051
Dec 26 02:33:45 lorien postfix/pipe[3122]: E6558785E: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], 
relay=mailman, delay=7, status=sent (lists.silverdream.org)
Dec 26 02:33:45 lorien postfix/smtp[3119]: 9FB6C7849: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], 
relay=192.168.1.6[192.168.1.6], delay=36, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, id=02387-05, from 
MTA: 250 Ok: queued as E6558785E)
Dec 26 02:33:53 lorien cyrus/master[17529]: process 3108 exited, status 0

...and all the mail is sitting in Mailman's queue:

From: Jamie Penman-Smithson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 02:33:10 GMT
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It appears the mail is getting delivered to postfix-to-mailman.py and then to mailman, 
but after that nothing appears to happen. I've checked /var/log/mailman/errors, and 
it's empty.

I did show-qfiles on the qfiles/virgin directory and it shows two outbound messages:

 
/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/virgin/1072096291.5388401+f84a04ab843bf8cd7c1dca80b94fe25fc58b3b4f.pck
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Subject: Your new mailing list: mailman
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:31:31 +
Precedence: bulk

 
/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/virgin/1072401079.214362+11df5743f51e4cdca44869ec30d1dfde28869388.pck
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Subject: Your new mailing list: sd-announce
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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 01:11:19 +
Precedence: bulk

But none of it is ever getting back to postfix. I've checked my settings in 
/etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py

# Use Postfix as the MTA
MTA = 'Postfix'

# How to deliver mail
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'

# Deliver to mailhost on port 25
SMTPHOST = 'lorien.silverdream.hq'
SMTPPORT = 25  # default from smtplib

I double-checked that my DNS was still okay (just to rule it out):
lorien:/var/lib/mailman/bin# host lorien.silverdream.hq
lorien.silverdream.hq has address 192.168.1.6

In case it was a permissions problem I ran check_perms:

lorien:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./check_perms
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db owned by www-data (must be owned by list

Problems found: 1
Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix

AFAIK this shouldn't stop mail from being delivered?

Can anyone offer any suggestions? Help would be appreciated - I'm running out of 
ideas(!)

Thanks in advance

Happy Holidays,

Jamie

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