Re: [Mailman-Users] fund management[private & confidential]

2001-02-15 Thread Mike Noyes

At 03:18 PM 2/14/01 -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote:
>
>There is a better option.
>Since the  python.org folks run  exim 3.21, they  could stick this
>in their exim.conf:
>--
>sender_verify_hosts_callback = /etc/mail/badsendinghosts:*
>sender_verify_callback_domains = /etc/mail/baddomains:*
># Wait up to 90s for the remote mail server to answer
>sender_verify_callback_timeout = 90s
>
># Refuse messages with bad headers
>headers_sender_verify = true
>headers_check_syntax = true
>headers_checks_fail = true
>--
>

Marc,
I forwarded your spam solution to Dave Cinege. He suggested I post this
to mailman-users. I hope someone finds this information useful.


Fwd: Re: [offlist] [MAILING LIST] New aggressive spam controls
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:56:13 -0500
>From: Dave Cinege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [offlist] [MAILING LIST] New aggressive spam controls
>
>Mike Noyes wrote:
> > 
> > Dave,
> > I'm catching up with the mailman-users list traffic, and I noticed
> > this post from Mark MERLIN. Is this similar to what you're doing?
>
>Thanks for passing that along. I'm doing one of those checks. I'll 
>look at the other ones he suggests.
>
>THe primary thing I'm doign is running a system filter. So far it is work VERY
>well. I've only had one peice of 'hong kong' spam reach me,
>and I just modified that check to help.
>
>You may want to pass this along to the MM list. What I have commented
>out is what proved to catch valid mail.
>
># Exim filter
>if  ($h_subject: is "FREE"
> or $h_subject: matches "\\^FREE .*"
> or $h_subject: matches ".* FREE\\$"
> or $h_subject: contains " FREE "
> or $h_subject: contains "F R E E"
> or $h_subject: contains "MILLION"
> or $h_subject: contains "FOR ONLY \\$"
> or $h_subject: contains "GUARANTEED"
> or $h_subject: contains "INSTANTLY"
> or $h_subject: contains "CALL NOW"
> or $h_subject: contains "ABSOULTELY"
> or $h_subject: contains "MONEY"
> or $h_subject: contains "MAKE UP TO"
> or $h_subject: contains "E-Mail Addresses"
> or $h_subject: contains "increase sales"
> or $h_subject: matches ".*[67] Figures.*"
> or $h_subject: contains "Responding To Your Request!"   
> or $h_subject: contains "Make the right decision"
> or $h_subject: contains "Fortunes Made"
> or $h_subject: contains "Wealth"
> or $h_subject: contains "hardcore"
> or $h_subject: contains "win a "
>#   or $h_subject: matches ".*[!? ]*[0-9][0-9][0-9]*\\$"
> or $h_subject: matches ".*[!?.][ ]*[0-9][0-9][0-9]\\$"
> or $h_subject: matches ".*[!?.][ ]*[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]\\$"
> or $h_subject: matches ".*[!?.][ ]*[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]\\$"
> or $h_subject: contains "\\$\\$"
> or $h_subject: contains "\\$ \\$"   
>  or $h_subject: matches ".*[ÁÙ§¶°±ÚÃÌ¿Öªº³«§äâᶳÅÚÅèÄÉêÇë].*"
> or $h_subject: contains "MLM")
> and not error_message
> and not $h_X-SPAM: contains "Probable SPAM"
> and not $h_to: contains "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> and not $sender_address_domain is "psychosis.com"
>then
> headers add "X-SPAM: Probable SPAM - Bad Subject:"
> unseen deliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] errors_to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> fail text "This message looks like spam to me.\nIf this filter is in 
>error
>please mail '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'"
>endif
>
>
>if  ($h_subject: contains "Here you have, ;o)")
> and not error_message
> and not $h_X-SPAM: contains "Probable SPAM"
> and not $h_to: contains "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> and not $sender_address_domain is "psychosis.com"
>then
> headers add "X-SPAM: Probable SPAM - Virus!"
> unseen deliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] errors_to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> fail text "**IMPORTANT!!!**  **IMPORTANT!!!**  **IMPORTANT!!!** \nThis
>message appears to contain a virus!\nIt was probably sent from your system
>without your knowledge.\nPlease check your

[Mailman-Users] mailman-checkins list config?

2001-04-28 Thread Mike Noyes

What settings are you using for the mailman-checkins list? I'm trying to 
duplicate your results for our project's cvs-commits list. Any help is 
appreciated. Thanks.

Background:
I'm using syncmail (v3.1.5 by Barry Warsaw) for our project's cvs-commits 
list. I'll update to v3.1.6 later today. I followed the SourceForge 
documentation to set it up, but it doesn't have any information on the 
proper settings for Mailman. Should I take this up with the SourceForge 
staff instead?

Getting email from CVS
https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=772&group_id=1

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman-checkins list config?

2001-05-01 Thread Mike Noyes

At 2001-05-01 03:50 -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> >>>>> "MN" == Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> MN> What settings are you using for the mailman-checkins list? I'm
> MN> trying to duplicate your results for our project's cvs-commits
> MN> list. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
>
> MN> Background: I'm using syncmail (v3.1.5 by Barry Warsaw) for
> MN> our project's cvs-commits list. I'll update to v3.1.6 later
> MN> today. I followed the SourceForge documentation to set it up,
> MN> but it doesn't have any information on the proper settings for
> MN> Mailman. Should I take this up with the SourceForge staff
> MN> instead?
>
> MN> Getting email from CVS
> MN> https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=772&group_id=1
>
>Wow, neat.  I didn't even realize syncmail was Officially Documented.
>
>BTW, I think you mean version 3.16 of syncmail, which is the latest
>committed version that both the Mailman and Python projects use.
>
>On the list configuration side, you can basically use a very generic
>Mailman list.  python-checkins and mailman-checkins are both wide
>open.
>
>Have you tried it, and does it work?  If not, what happens?


Barry,
Yes it works well. I tested it right after installation. :)
http://www.mail-archive.com/leaf-cvs-commits%40lists.sourceforge.net/

I guess I didn't phrase my question well. How do I configure Mailman to 
only accept posts from CVS? Should I use the implicitly approved people 
list for this?

Currently our list is moderated, and anyone can subscribe.

Note: we have multiple developers that will be committing to our CVS 
repository.

Also, I didn't get around to updating to syncmail 3.16 yet. I'll try to get 
that done today. Thanks for the great script. :)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-08 Thread Mike Noyes

At 2001-05-08 14:12 -0500, Bill Warner wrote:
>At 12:01 PM 5/8/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > How should I remove these (excessive headers) on each post?  makes my
>> > message long.
>>
>>You would be generally ill advised to remove any of them.
>
>Why?  IMO, the List-* headers are excessive and should, at the very least, 
>be configurable.  If I want my list message to carry this info I can 
>already put it in the footers.  Why should I force everyone to scroll past 
>a page long list of headers?!

Bill,
This may help you.

List Headers - Eudora (Win) users

You can hide the new list headers. Edit your Eudora.ini file, and add this 
line under [settings].

TabooHeaders=List,X-UID,Received,Status,X-UIDL,Message,In-Reply, \
X-Priority,Mime-Version,Content,X-Persona,Resent-Message,References, \
Return,X400,X-400,Mail-System,Errors-To,X-List,Delivery,Disposition, \
X-Juno,Precedence,X-Attachments,X-MSMail,X-MimeOLE,X-Nav

note: everything other than "List" is the default

ref. Eudora .ini Settings TabooHeaders
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/ini.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-08 Thread Mike Noyes

At 2001-05-08 15:13 -0500, Bill Warner wrote:
>At 12:42 PM 5/8/01 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote:
>>ref. Eudora .ini Settings TabooHeaders
>
>Yes, I know about the TabooHeaders settings for Eudora, but most of my 
>list readers don't, and they are probably using some M$ junk to read mail 
>anyway, and they don't care about things like TabooHeaders in any case.
>
>The point is, if I don't want those headers going out on *my* list, I 
>don't see any reason why Mailman, which is otherwise highly configurable, 
>should force me to do so.
>
>The bottom line is, like the original poster of this thread, I want these 
>headers to go away.  Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find where they 
>are coming from.  If someone could simply tell me what I need to hack in 
>order to get rid of these headers, I would be grateful.

Bill,
Someone posted a hack to remove the headers a while ago. Search the list if 
you're interested. The Mailman developers are just following RFC2369. All 
lists will eventually implement this, so I'd figure out a way to educate 
your users. Just my opinion.

>Thanks,

No problem.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-08 Thread Mike Noyes

At 2001-05-08 14:55 -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>On 5/8/01 1:48 PM, "Clayton, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Here is the address of the RFC list that pertains to structure and
> > such. Fair warning though. Have lots of coffee ready.
> >
> > www.imc.org/rfcs.html#rfc822
>
>Except that's not the RFC involing list-id and list* headers. And RFC822
>was recently superseded by an updated version...

Chuq & Clayton,
They are:

Simple Mail Transfer Protocol
ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc2821.txt

Internet Message Format
ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc2822.txt

Apparently the numbers were reserved.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-09 Thread Mike Noyes

At 2001-05-09 13:29 -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
>Mike, thanks for the Eudora suggestions.  I'm going to create a
>README.USERAGENT file that collects this wisdom, and I'm going to add
>a FAQ entry pointing people to this file.  If anybody else has
>suggestions on settings for other MUAs please send them along.

Barry,
Thanks, but I can't take credit for them. Someone else posted the Eudora 
instructions in a message on a similar thread. I used them to create a FAQ 
for my list users.

https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=1465&group_id=13751

>But, Mailman could do a better job of conforming to RFC 2369.  E.g. it
>could suppress List-Post: for read-only lists, and it could get rid of
>the obsolete List-Id: header.  I'll work on this for Mailman 2.1.
>
>I still believe that Mailman is doing The Right Thing by supporting
>RFC 2369.  When the MUA vendors catch up, end users will benefit.

I agree. :)

>That said, we may have to invoke the 9th Zen of Python: Practicality
>beats Purity[1].  Whether that means adding for Mailman 2.1 a
>list-specific configuration option (-1) or a site-wide configuration
>variable (-0), I'm not sure.  I just wanted to say that while I still
>agree with Chuq and JC that this RFC is important to support, I'm not
>totally deaf to the cries of dismay from those of you who have to
>expend real dollars to deal with users on non-conformant MUAs.

I'm sure whatever you decide to do will be fine.

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[Mailman-Users] Regular Expressions

2002-02-20 Thread Mike Noyes

What type of regexp does Mailman use in Privacy Options - Hold posts?

   BRE POSIX
   ERE POSIX
   BRE GNU
   ERE GNU
   Perl
   Python

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Regular Expressions

2002-02-21 Thread Mike Noyes

At 2002-02-20 06:34 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote:
>What type of regexp does Mailman use in Privacy Options - Hold posts?

I think I found the answer after digging through the code.

It appears that the Python re module is used. Does this mean we can use the 
Python re module extensions in "Hold posts"?

ref.
http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/re-syntax.html
http://py-howto.sourceforge.net/regex/regex.html

MailList.py
for line in string.split(self.bounce_matching_headers, '\n'):
 stripped = string.strip(line)
 if not stripped or (stripped[0] == "#"):
 # Skip blank lines and lines *starting* with a '#'.
 continue
 else:
 try:
 h, e = re.split(":[ \t]*", stripped, 1)
 try:
 re.compile(e)
 all.append((h, e, stripped))
 except re.error, cause:
 # The regexp in this line is malformed -- log it
 # and ignore it
 syslog('config',
'%s - bad regexp %s [%s] '
'in bounce_matching_header line %s'
% (self.real_name, `e`, `cause`, `stripped`))
 except ValueError:
 # Whoops - some bad data got by:
 syslog('config', '%s - bad bounce_matching_header line %s'
% (self.real_name, `stripped`))
return all

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Regular Expressions

2002-02-21 Thread Mike Noyes

At 2002-02-21 16:06 -0800, John W Baxter wrote:
>At 10:23 -0800 2/21/2002, Mike Noyes wrote:
> >It appears that the Python re module is used. Does this mean we can
> >use the Python re module extensions in "Hold posts"?
> >
> >ref.
> >http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/re-syntax.html
> >http://py-howto.sourceforge.net/regex/regex.html
>
>You ought to be able to use regular expressions as they are in the
>version of Python which is in use to run Mailman.  Currently, I think
>that means that the answer is "yes or no" unless we know that version
>number.

John,
Thanks for responding. The Mailman version is 2.0.5 patched by Marc MERLIN 
on SourceForge. The Python version is 1.5.

I'd like to use the (?!...) negative lookahead assertion, but I'm not 
having much luck. :-(

This string doesn't work correctly.

Content-Type: .*(?!plain--signed)

Note: I'm not very good with regexp, and I have no programming experience 
with Python.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Regular Expressions

2002-02-22 Thread Mike Noyes

At 2002-02-21 17:05 -0800, John W Baxter wrote:
>At 16:38 -0800 2/21/2002, Mike Noyes wrote:
> >Thanks for responding. The Mailman version is 2.0.5 patched by Marc
> >MERLIN on SourceForge. The Python version is 1.5.
> >
> >I'd like to use the (?!...) negative lookahead assertion, but I'm not
> >having much luck. :-(
>
>That version of Python is too old for what you want to do (I'm almost
>certain).  Someone who actually knows can specify which version the
>redone regular expressions appeared in.

John,
It looks like the regexp was redone in v1.5.
ref.
http://py-howto.sourceforge.net/regex-to-re/regex-to-re.html


I erroneously got the Python version from the SF shell server. The SF list 
server is on a different machine, and I was unable to locate the Python 
version from the Mailman list manager pages. :-(

Marc MERLIN knows which version of Python runs on the SF list server. I 
hope he is reading this thread, so he can enlighten us.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Regular Expressions

2002-02-25 Thread Mike Noyes

At 2002-02-25 17:01 -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote:
>Are you talking about the python version on lists.sourceforge.net?
>Because if so:
>usw-sf-list1:~# python -V
>Python 2.1.1

Marc,
Yes. Thanks for the information. :-)

I believe this is a valid list manager question. That's why I asked here 
instead of SF. I apologize if I went about this in the wrong manner. I 
didn't initially realize the Python version would make a difference in the 
types of valid regexps.

> > Content-Type: .*(?!plain--signed)
> >
> > Note: I'm not very good with regexp, and I have no programming
> > experience with Python.
>
>BTW, be careful, bad regexes tend to break older mailmans :-)

Will a variation of the (?!...) negative lookahead assertion above work 
with Mailman in Privacy Options - Hold posts?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] "="s in message

2002-03-25 Thread Mike Noyes

At 3/25/02 12:16 PM -0500, Mark T. Valites wrote:
>One of my list admins just sent an email to her list, and the mail sent 
>out appended "=" to the end of each line, and a "=20" to the end of the 
>message.  She was using outlook express as her email client.
>
>I've never seen this before.  The equal sign character didn't raise any 
>flags to me right away either.  Ideas?

Mark,
Here is an explanation of the problem you're seeing, and instructions to 
fix it.

http://www.expita.com/nomime.html#equalsign

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Re: [Mailman-Users] regexes in bounce_matching_headers

2002-04-19 Thread Mike Noyes

On Wed, 2002-04-17 at 03:41, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> a number of questions about regexes in mailman:

> i'm desperately looking for a python-specific regex documentation.
> i'm using a php manual (whose regexes are said to be
> perl-compatible), but i seem to run into subtle problems. any
> pointers ?

Joern,
Here are a couple of links that may help. Also, take a look in the list
archive for a thread named "Regular Expressions".

http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/re-syntax.html
http://py-howto.sourceforge.net/regex/regex.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Way to block virii?

2002-04-29 Thread Mike Noyes

On Mon, 2002-04-29 at 00:09, Frederick Noronha wrote:
> Is there any way to block virus using Mailman? I know it's possible to
> block e-mails that cross a certain size limit, but these days virii come
> in small sizes too... 
> Any way to just keep out *all* attachments? FN

Frederick,
This is what I do.

Privacy Options -> Spam-specific posting filters
Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp.

Content-Type: .*octet
Content-Type: .*oda
Content-Type: .*audio
Content-Type: .*image
Content-Type: .*alternative
Content-Type: .*digest
Content-Type: .*mixed
Content-Type: .*rich
Content-Type: .*html
Content-Type: .*video

Rejection Message:
Please configure your email client [1] to send text/plain messages to
this list. Instead of attachments, you should include any diagnostic
information as in-line text in the main message body.

[1] http://www.expita.com/nomime.html

Details:
Only messages with a Content-type: of "text/plain" and
"multipart/signed" are automatically posted to the list. All other
content-types are held for administrative action.

If you have any questions about this policy, please send them to
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman FAQ Wizard

2002-04-30 Thread Mike Noyes

I noticed that most of the answers in the Mailman FAQ wizard [1] assume
that you have site admin access. Many of us are only list managers.
Solutions to problems that work for site admins may not work for list
managers.

Is there a preferred way to modify the FAQ Wizard for answers to list
manager questions? Specifically for list managers without site admin
access.

[1] http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman FAQ Wizard

2002-05-01 Thread Mike Noyes

On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 20:22, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Wed, 1 May 2002 01:20:49 +0200 
> Norbert Bollow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Alternatively, I could set up a separate FAQ Wizard for (less
> > technical) list manager questions at listowner.org ... would this be
> > desirable?
> 
> Why not simply create a less technical section in the current FAQ?

JC,
That's what I'd like to see, and it doesn't need to be less technical.
It just needs to address list manager questions that don't have site
admin privileges.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman FAQ Wizard

2002-05-01 Thread Mike Noyes

On Wed, 2002-05-01 at 02:37, Norbert Bollow wrote:
> J C Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > > Alternatively, I could set up a separate FAQ Wizard for (less
> > > technical) list manager questions at listowner.org ... would this be
> > > desirable?
> > 
> > Why not simply create a less technical section in the current FAQ?
> 
> * I think that listowners and moderators deserve more attention
>   than just a single section in an FAQ which is otherwise full
>   of highly technical information that is irrelevant to them.

Norbert,
I believe the information in the current FAQ while not directly related
to list managers is beneficial to them. If you're not aware of the
limitations/features available to site admins it makes it very hard to
ask them to correct problems.


> * Since there is now a separate mailing list at http://listowner.org
>   for the les technical discussions, it would make sense for
>   that mailing list to have its own FAQ.

In my opinion list manager questions are on topic here, and there is no
need for a new list. Of course you're free to to what you feel is best.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman FAQ Wizard

2002-05-02 Thread Mike Noyes

On Wed, 2002-05-01 at 21:14, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "MN" == Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> MN> I noticed that most of the answers in the Mailman FAQ wizard
> MN> [1] assume that you have site admin access. Many of us are
> MN> only list managers.  Solutions to problems that work for site
> MN> admins may not work for list managers.
> 
> The section on "List Administrators" is definitely intended to address
> questions or problems for those who administer lists without shell
> access.  The fact that so many issues do require shell access is, IMO,
> due to a deficiency in Mailman, something I hope that MM2.1 will go a
> long way towards improving.
> 
> MN> Is there a preferred way to modify the FAQ Wizard for answers
> MN> to list manager questions? Specifically for list managers
> MN> without site admin access.
> 
> MN> [1] http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 
> Also note that the FAQ wizard is specifically intended to be community
> supported.  It is maintained through an honor system, and the password
> is "Mailman".  Feel free to make updates!

Barry,
Thank you for the information. I added a new FAQ [1] specific to List
Managers.

OT: Will Mailman 2.1 recognize the (?!...) Python negative lookahead
assertion in "Hold posts with header value matching a specified
regexp."?

[1] http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.010.htp

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Create read-onlu list

2002-05-05 Thread Mike Noyes

On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 02:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> how can I create a read-only list and authorize only a few members to write ?

Xavier,
I believe this information is available in the Mailman List Management
Guide. Look in section: General posting filters.

http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] The moderation/SPAM queue

2002-05-10 Thread Mike Noyes

On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 15:04, Chuck Peters wrote:
> I am sure many of you are spending some time moderating lists where most
> of the moderation is SPAM.  A couple lists ar getting more spam than
> legitimate traffic and its a real pain to clean this up via the web
> interface.

Chuck,
Marc Merlin posted a solution to this problem. Take a look at his site
and mailing list.

http://marc.merlins.org/linux/exim/sa.html
http://lists.merlins.org/lists/listinfo/sa-exim

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Re: [Mailman-Users] About restricting posting & delievering formail-list members

2002-05-12 Thread Mike Noyes

On Sun, 2002-05-12 at 05:59, Drake wrote:
> I am new to Mailman and after I check my list administration, I still
> have no idea about how to solve the problem. may someone give me a hint?
> 
> I wanna have a mailing-list that just one(maybe list_adm) can do posting
> and the other members can just receive the post. That's, It's like
> a newsletter mailing-list.

Drake,
Have you read the "GNU Mailman List Management Guide"? The section on
"Privacy Options" should help.

http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie - many questions and ideas but mostlyhow to kill the SPAM

2002-05-14 Thread Mike Noyes

On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 09:05, Simon Waters wrote:
> Questions and Comments.

> 3. Does better documentation on the regular expression handling
> exist, currently only one example is given for a "from:" header.
> Maybe I'm being thick, but regex regular expressions are pretty
> involved and depend on things like NLS, and I'm fairly sure that
> Mailman is doing a simplified versions. Or must I read the
> source?

Simon,
This information may help with you with Python re module questions.
http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/re-syntax.html
http://py-howto.sourceforge.net/regex/regex.html

> 4. Does anywhere collect and share good anti-spam regular
> expressions ?

There is an re example in the Mailman FAQ 3.10.
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.010.htp

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Re: [Mailman-Users] approval from posting

2002-05-15 Thread Mike Noyes

On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 12:56, Jessie Kleefstra wrote:
> 
> We are in the process of converting all of our distibution lists to
> Mailman lists. A customer has just sent me an email asking why she has
> received a request to approve a posting from herself to the list when she
> is the list administrator? Is there a reason why this is happening?

Jessie,
There are many possible causes for the problem you describe. You may
want to have her read the "GNU Mailman List Management Guide v 2.0". It
should answer most of her questions.

http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] umbrella list

2002-05-15 Thread Mike Noyes

On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 10:56, Shawna Dufresne wrote:
> Hello,
> I need to create an umbrella list for at least 2 people
> lists.  How do I create one of these?

Shawna,
Please read the FAQ below. If you still have questions afterward, fire
away.

3.5. What is an Umbrella list - and why doesn't it do what I want?
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.005.htp

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Searchable Archives

2002-05-15 Thread Mike Noyes

On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 13:45, Chris Tooley wrote:
> Is there a place to be able to search the mailing list archives?  I"m 
> looking for some information about setting up mailman on RedHat 7.2 but 
> can't spend the days digging through the archives one message at a time.

Chris,
This link may help.

The Mail Archive
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachments control?

2002-05-15 Thread Mike Noyes

On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 14:45, P.U. Lianos wrote:
> I was wondering (and couldn't find any info online) if a list manager has a 
> way to block attachments from reaching a list that uses Mailman? This is 
> useful in order to prevent a virus coming from a list member, spreading 
> within the email list.

Panos,
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http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.010.htp

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Re: [Mailman-Users] User List

2002-05-16 Thread Mike Noyes

On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 07:17, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> "AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin" wrote:
> > Damn this really sucks.  I imagine this software just was not designed to
> > run in a shared environment.
>
> please try to understand the basic principles of open-source software
> (and while you're at it, there is a good howto by eric raymond on how to
> ask intelligent questions, you might want to digest that too) before you
> post again to this list.

Here is the ESR link.

How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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Re: Patch to suppress List-* headers on a per-list basis (was Re:[Mailman-Users] Help )

2002-05-17 Thread Mike Noyes

On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 15:27, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> I'd say the SF patch manager is the best place for it:
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=300103
> 
> But I'd like to know if we should have a more visible location for
> contributed, unofficial add-ons and patches.  One the one hand, the SF
> patch manager isn't a great place for it because I want to be able to
> reject (and close!) patches that aren't relevant to the latest
> version, or that I don't want to endorse as official.
> 
> Hmm, I wonder if we should start something on the Mailman wiki?
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/bwarsaw/MailmanDesignNotes/FrontPage

Barry,
That sounds good, or you could create another SF tracker for
contributions. You can transfer the unofficial add-ons/patches that you
want from the patch manager to the new tracker. Just a suggestion.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Filtering spam with Spamassassin / Procmail and > Mailman...

2002-05-26 Thread Mike Noyes

On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 09:57, David wrote:
> I'm a happy Mailman 2.0.11 user, and until now I have used SpamAssassin 2.20
> to filter out spam in my personal mailbox. I applied the SpamAssassin.py
> patch for Mailman, but I have a problem. I use demime to avoid HTML mail to
> reach my lists. My setup: Postfix takes care of the incoming mail and sends
> it to demime. Demime removes the unwanted MIME and HTML stuff and send the
> mail to Mailman. The SpamAssassin patch scans the demimed message and sends
> it to the list. 
> 
> I have two problems:
> 1. No messages are discarded or put on hold, even if it scores over 10 (The
> message is tagged as spam)
> 2. Demime removes a lot of stuff that SpamAssassin scores on. It's harder
> for SpamAssassin to do it's job.
> 
> Is it possible to solve this? I don't have any programming skills myself:-(

David,
This information from Marc Merlin may help.

Exim SpamAssassin at SMTP time
http://marc.merlins.org/linux/exim/sa.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to handle single quote in subscriber emailaddress

2002-06-01 Thread Mike Noyes

On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 14:44, William Waggoner wrote:
> I hate to disagree but ...
> 
> RFC-0822 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc822.html) allows the local-part to
> contain single quotes.

William,
The current rfc is 2822. After reading it, does your assertion that
Mailman is broken still stand?

RFC 2822
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html

> It also specifically allows, as a specified syntax, quoted strings as the
> local part.
> 
> The characters that are not allowed outside of quoted strings are:
> 
> specials=  "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@"  ; Must be in quoted-
>  /  "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <">  ;  string, to use
>  /  "." / "[" / "]"  ;  within a word.
> 
> SPACE, and CTL characters.
> 
> Note that the period is used as a word separator, it IS allowed but is
> considered a separator, not part of the word.
> 
> It is Mailman that is broken.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to handle single quote in subscriberemailaddress

2002-06-01 Thread Mike Noyes

On Sat, 2002-06-01 at 07:06, Cassandra Fleetwood wrote:
> Looking at rfc 2822, it appears a single quote (ASCII value 39) is allowed
> in the local part of the address.
> Section 3.4.1. "Addr-spec specification" indicates the local-part of the
> address is domain dependent.
> 
>   "The local-part portion is a domain dependent string.  In addresses,
>it is simply interpreted on the particular host as a name of a
>particular mailbox."
> where : addr-spec  =  local-part "@" domain

Cassandra,
Do you know if this problem was addressed in CVS [1]? If not, has anyone
submitted a bug report [2]?

[1] http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman
[1] http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-checkins%40python.org/
[2] https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=103&atid=100103

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web Mail Agents Generate "Suspicious Headers"?

2002-06-01 Thread Mike Noyes

On Sat, 2002-06-01 at 08:48, Creighton MacDonnell wrote:
> I have a project at SourceForge where Mailman is used for its mailing 
> list.
> 
> It seems that posts to the list from SquirrelMail or IMP get blocked. 
> Mailman at SourceForge says they have "suspicious headers".
> 
> I cannot see any way to get mailman to tell me what the suspicious 
> header is, or how to say that is is OK.

Creighton,
Did you look at the Privacy Options -> Spam-specific posting filters ->
Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp. ?

A post that matches a regexp in that box will generate a message like
this.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem enforcing text/plain posts only policy

2002-07-16 Thread Mike Noyes

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 07:42, Tim Hutchinson wrote:
> I have recently begun enforcing a plain text only policy based on the 
> instructions in FAQ 3.10: 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.10
> (adding header values to Privacy Options -> Spam-specific posting 
> filters, e.g. Content-Type: .*mixed)
> 
> The problem is that this has cast the net a little too wide.  At least 
> one subscriber use AVG virus protection software, which adds a text 
> attachment to every e-mail.  This results in a header of 
> multipart/mixed, so the post gets held as having a suspicious header.  
> 
> More specifically, an example of a complete Content-type line is
> Content-type: multipart/mixed; 
> boundary="Boundary_(ID_Pcxr7Y3chQ46Gj8lLo/M5A)"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok
> 
> Is there anyway to match against "x-avg-checked", say, so that posts 
> will be held if they include .*mixed, but not x-avg-checked.  I tried
> Content-Type: .*mixed(?!x-avg-checked)
> but this doesn't seem to work.  (I couldn't find any details about the 
> regex syntax that mailman supports.)

Tim,
A (?!...) Python negative lookahead assertion would be the preferred
solution, but I was unable to make it work with Mailman 2.0.x versions.
Barry stated that this will not be the case in 2.1.x.

If anyone knows how to get negative lookahead assertions to work in
Mailman 2.0.x versions, please enlighten me. Thanks.

ref.
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg09651.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Information, please!!!

2002-11-25 Thread Mike Noyes
On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 10:34, Jaime Gonzalez wrote:
>   I am review it, but exist other place about it?, not a forum, rather a tutorial...

Jaime,
Mailman documentation is available here:
http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/

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Re: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patch access problem

2003-01-06 Thread Mike Noyes
On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 11:49, Richard Barrett wrote:
> I think that in future I will post any patches I develop on my own web site 
> (http://www.openinfo.demon.co.uk/mailman/index.html
> ) in parallel to posting to sourceforge, given the  potential unreliability 
> of their delivery.

Richard,
You should be able to point people to the patch download url. I hope
this helps.

htdig-2.1-0.1.patch
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id=38660&aid=444884

wget
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Htdig patch not available

2003-01-08 Thread Mike Noyes
On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 08:42, Tod Glenn wrote:
> Has anyone been able to access the htdig patch (444884) for Mailman 2.1?
> When I follow the link on source forge, I get an empty page.

Tod,
This problem was reported as fixed (yesterday). Which browser and
platform are you using? Did you try to load the page today? If this
problem is still present, I'm sure the SF staff would like to address
it.

Are you able to retrieve the patch with wget?

wget
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Posting restrictions

2003-01-12 Thread Mike Noyes
On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 07:39, Willie McKemie wrote:
> I've been lurking here for a while but remain un-enlightened the 
> following problems:
> 
> How can I restrict posts to plain text?  Or, at least, prohibit 
> attachments of any sort?

Willie,
If you're using MM 2.0x this FAQ should help.
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.010.htp

> How do I determine if I'm running Mm2.0 or Mm2.1?  I am using Mm 
> through a hosting service; I do have shell access, but can't find
> anything Mm related via that route.

At the bottom of all of the list pages is a MM logo. It should have the
version number below the logo. Also, every message delivered by your
list will contain a X-Mailman-Version: header.

> How can I backup my subscriber lists?  And other Mm data?  I can't
> find anything Mm related through either ftp or shell access to my
> host.  I have recent been changed from smartlist, where I had ftp
> access to all mail list data files.  Is this possible with Mailman?  
> If so, what magic request should I make of my hosting service?

Someone else will need to answer this question.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Posting restrictions

2003-01-12 Thread Mike Noyes
On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 11:02, Willie McKemie wrote:
> > > How can I restrict posts to plain text?  Or, at least, prohibit 
> > > attachments of any sort?
> > 
> > Willie,
> > If you're using MM 2.0x this FAQ should help.
> > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.010.htp
> > 
> Thanks!  There was some stuff (examples, I think, including 
> "to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]") already there.  I just added the eleven
> Content Type lines listed in the FAQ above to the end of the stuff
> already there.  That is correct?

Willie,
Yes. That should work fine. You may want to flag base64 messages also.

Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

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Re: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering

2003-01-30 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 15:47, Robin Rowe wrote:
> > Front-end your mailing lists with a procmail filter that uses
> > SpamAssassin.
> 
> Thanks, but as I said, I'm configuring mailman on a SourceForge-hosted
> mailing list. Installing SpamAssassin there is not within my power.
> 
> Can anyone answer my question as asked? Is it possible to use the mailman
> spam filtering capabilities on message bodies as well as headers?

Robin,
FAQ 3.10. How do I enforce a text/plain posts only policy?
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.010.htp

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Re: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering

2003-01-30 Thread Mike Noyes
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 08:36, Mike Noyes wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 15:47, Robin Rowe wrote:
> > Thanks, but as I said, I'm configuring mailman on a SourceForge-hosted
> > mailing list. Installing SpamAssassin there is not within my power.
> > 
> > Can anyone answer my question as asked? Is it possible to use the mailman
> > spam filtering capabilities on message bodies as well as headers?
> 
> FAQ 3.10. How do I enforce a text/plain posts only policy?
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.010.htp

Robin,
Also look at this SourceForge Site Doc.

Mail Services: Spam Policies
https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=9484&group_id=1

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Re: [Mailman-Users] list.org down ??

2003-03-14 Thread Mike Noyes
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 06:54, EnviroLink Support wrote:
> I've been subscribed to this list for a few weeks, with the idea that I
> might switch from Listproc to Mailman in the near future.  I've noticed,
> like others on this list, that the list.org website has been inaccessible
> for the past three days (at least).  Nslookups from several different
> servers yield a "*** Can't find list.org: No answer" message.  I can
> access all other websites that I've tried for several days.
> 
> Does anyone know why list.org is down?  This certainly makes me hesitate 
> before making a decision about using Mailman.

Marla,
Try these two links.

http://mailman.sourceforge.net/
https://sourceforge.net/projects/mailman/

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Re: [Mailman-Users]

2003-03-17 Thread Mike Noyes
On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 11:03, Matt Minahan wrote:
>  I'm using Mm 2.1.1 and I have two questions about trapping 
> filtered messages.
> 
> The FAQ for Mm suggests putting content-type filters on the Privacy --> 
> spam page; I would have thought that the Content Filtering page would have 
> been a better place.  These are the filters suggested at the FAQ page:

Matt,
That FAQ was written for 2.0.x versions of Mailman, and isn't applicable
to 2.1.x. I don't have access to 2.1.x yet, so I'm unable to update that
FAQ.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Where are the archives?

2003-06-03 Thread Mike Noyes
Dan Phillips wrote:
 From the Mail-Archive home page:

June 2, 2003

Mail-Archive is experiencing technical problems, all archives are 
temporarily offline and are being actively restored from backup. 
Because of the very large volume of data, this process takes a long 
time - multiple days so far, and possible a few more are required. 
Thank you for your patience.
Dan,
While the Mail-Archive is off-line, GMANE is still available.
GMANE
nntp.gmane.org - gmane.mail.mailman.user
http://news.gmane.org/thread.php?group=gmane.mail.mailman.user
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Where are the archives?

2003-06-03 Thread Mike Noyes
schuetzen wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 11:16:52 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote:
Dan Phillips wrote:
From the Mail-Archive home page:
June 2, 2003
Mail-Archive is experiencing technical problems, all archives are 
temporarily offline and are being actively restored from backup. 
Because of the very large volume of data, this process takes a long 
time - multiple days so far, and possible a few more are required. 
Thank you for your patience.
idle curiosity, but how large is the archive holding for (I assume) this list?
iow, are you sure that the restore is still working if it takes this long and it
still is not finished?  

the point is, should we as Mailman list owners not consider using an offsite
storage like eScribe to store the archives if they are going to take this long
to restore?  aamof, how long does a full backup take? or are you just doing
incrementals and have never done a full backup?
Chas,
The internal Mailman archiver is Pipermail.
The Mail-Archive is not part of Mailman. It's a mailing list archival 
service provided for free. It will handle archival of almost any list 
management software (Mailman, Majordomo, etc.). GMANE and MARC also 
provide mailing list archival services.

http://gmane.org/
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/
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[Mailman-Users] Re: -request address not working

2003-06-04 Thread Mike Noyes
Drew Hawn wrote:
This is a basic question, I apologize, but the searchable archives don't
seem to be working
Drew,
Try these alternatives to The Mail Archive.
MARC
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mailman-users
GMANE
nntp.gmane.org - group: gmane.mail.mailman.user
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[Mailman-Users] Searchable archives of this list

2003-06-04 Thread Mike Noyes
Everyone,
While The Mail Archive is off-line, these alternative mailman-user list 
archives are available.

MARC: mailman-users
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mailman-users
GMANE
news.gmane.org - group: gmane.mail.mailman.user
http://search.gmane.org/
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