[Mailman-Users] Re: Dream Host -- Google Yellow Boxes -- GNU Mailman

[Paul Moore]

I've noticed this issue popping up recently on a few domains I host, not 
mailman necessarily. Gmail has changed something on their end. I've told 
those affected to have the gmail users complain about these notices.


On 8/5/2022 10:07 AM, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote:
In the unlikely event that there is anyone else on the list with a GNU 
Mailman list on Dream Host servers, here is the DNS Record entry that 
you apparently have to enter yourself for your domain unless you seek 
out Dream Host staff assistance (and they are happy to help).


NAME: lists
TYPE: TXT
VALUE: v=spf1 mx include:netblocks.dreamhost.com 
include:relay.mailchannels.net -all


Dream Host also recommends enabling Munge From in the administrative 
interface of the list.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: emails sitting in postfix mailq a long time

[Paul Moore]

When my mailq get hundreds to thousands stacked up, all email slows to a 
crawl.


Is your DNS setup correctly? Can you confirm the NLx.shaw is able or 
not able to be resolved?


On 1/25/2022 3:21 PM, Steven Jones wrote:

That email has gone but we have a similar one running today,

[root@vuwunicomailmp1 ~]# grep A2FC12B3C2  /var/log/maillog
Jan 26 12:06:24 vuwunicomailmp1 postfix/smtpd[1701064]: A2FC12B3C2: 
client=mail-sy4aus01lp2176.outbound.protection.outlook.com[104.47.71.176]
Jan 26 12:06:24 vuwunicomailmp1 postfix/cleanup[1700168]: A2FC12B3C2: 
message-id=<5d76f972-5e21-4e35-9238-3c52fc431...@sy6pr01mb8442.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
Jan 26 12:06:24 vuwunicomailmp1 postfix/qmgr[1503666]: A2FC12B3C2: from=<>, 
size=78692, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
[root@vuwunicomailmp1 ~]# find /var/spool -name A2FC12B3C2
/var/spool/postfix/active/A2FC12B3C2
[root@vuwunicomailmp1 ~]#

Looking inside A2~

"8><
Your message to x.s
h...@xx.nz couldn't be delivered.NLx.shaw wasn't found at .nz, 
or the mailbox is unava
ilabl=Ne.N2nz-libs-bounces
8><

It looks like the user doesnt exist so yes 99% sure it is a bounce.  Just for 
some reason this list is really bad at cluttering the mailq.

TY

We are still getting delays of hours on odd emails in other lists which I cant 
fathom yet but it is not this impacting I think?


regards

Steven




From: Mark Sapiro 
Sent: Tuesday, 25 January 2022 2:18 pm
To: mailman-users@python.org 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: emails sitting in postfix mailq a long time

On 1/24/22 16:36, Steven Jones wrote:

Hi,

trying to figure out why there are a lot of these in postfix's mail queu,

75D752B3E0*  415295 Tue Jan 25 12:38:50  MAILER-DAEMON
   xx-bounces@lists.xx

Are these bounces back into mailman?

They could be. They also could be spam sent to the
xx-bounces@lists.xx address, but the MAILER-DAEMON sender makes
bounces more likely.

The asterisk says the message is active. Whats in the mail.log for
these? E.g.

grep 75D752B3E0 /var/log/mail.log

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[Mailman-Users] Re: I'm on Microsoft's blocklist again!

[Paul Moore]

My experience is that MS uses its own system and I do typically, not 
always, find my server on other RBLs when I'm on MS. Currently I'm 
having issue with Cisco's Talos system even though I'm not on any from 
https://multirbl.valli.org or MSToolbox.


This is where I deal with MS if you haven't seen it before. 
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/supportrequestform/8ad563e3-288e-2a61-8122-3ba03d6b8d75


Cheers,
Paul

On 12/7/2021 9:49 AM, Jayson Smith wrote:

Hi,


Just over two weeks since I found myself on Microsoft's blocklist and 
was manually removed, I find myself back on their blocklist again. 
Possibly coincidentally, this morning MXToolbox informed me that 
Linode has apparently found itself back on Uceprotectl3. Does anyone 
know if Microsoft considers that particular blacklist when deciding to 
blocklist an IP? Naturally, I've submitted a deliverability support 
ticket, and will probably have to wait several hours for the result.



As always, I'm not doing anything wrong (that I know of at least). 
Even if someone had hacked my server, my hypothesis is that they'd 
have to be a very careful and methodical hacker if their aim were to 
get me blocklisted by Microsoft and only Microsoft. If my server were 
spewing out spam, I ought to be hitting Spamhaus/SORBS/etc. spam traps 
left and right. Trust me, one time I was hacked, my server was sending 
out spam and I didn't know it, and I quickly found myself on Spamhaus 
XBL.



Any thoughts?


Thanks,


Jayson


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[Mailman-Users] Re: Unable to confirm user email not can I approve posting via https website

[paul]

Thanks again. That did the trick.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Unable to confirm user email not can I approve posting via https website

[paul]

Still having issues with the needed/default mailman list and the breaking out 
of HTTPS. All other lists are working fine. 
On mailman list, no errors in apache error log. I do see POST 301 redirect 
error I don't see the 301 error on the other lists. 
Is mailman handled differently than other lists?
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Unable to confirm user email not can I approve posting via https website

[paul]

Thanks for the pointer. I am the server admin so, yes, I have access to it all. 
This is my first time using Mailman and everything is pretty much texted book 
install of all components needed.

Based on the doc https://wiki.list.org/x/17892007 I only needed to add

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' 
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'
to mm_cfg.py. 

I could see the redirects working in the Apache logs and suspected there was 
something in Mailman that needed to be tweeked. I just couldn't find the 
article to get me moving forward.
Thanks for the help and sorry for the double post.
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[Mailman-Users] Unable to confirm user email not can I approve posting via https website

[paul]

I'm not sure if these are a connected issue. When I use the web interface 
confirm my subscription or if I try to approve a posting I get the error:

The information you’re about to submit is not secure
Because this form is being submitted using a connection that’s not secure, your 
information will be visible to others.

Nothing happens, neither confirm email address or approve post happens.
I am able to confirm email address via the email reply option.
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[Mailman-Users] Moderator problems

[Paul van der Vlis]

Hello,

I am the sysadmin of a server what runs Mailman version 2.1.23 (Debian).
Yes, I know it's old and I should install a newer version ;-)

Every day I get a message about moderation. I want to discard that
message, but this does not work. It's about only one message, not sure
what's wrong...

Can somebody tell me what to do to fix this problem?

With regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Message not removeable

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Op 05-06-19 om 17:37 schreef Mark Sapiro:
> On 6/4/19 1:41 PM, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>> Op 04-06-19 om 22:05 schreef Mark Sapiro:
>>> On 6/4/19 3:30 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In one of the mailinglists came a message what's to big. I've changed
>>>> max_message_size but it was not possible to send the message. Now I want
>>>> to remove the message, but that's also not possible, it still is there
>>>> and the list-owner gets messages about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> How did you try to accept the message, and what happened?
>>
>> Using the webinterface. I did not see any error, but the message was not
>> send.
>>
>>> How are you trying to remove the message, and what happens?
>>
>> Using the webinterface. I did not see an error, but the message was not
>> removed.
>>
>>> Is there anything relevant in Mailman's error log?
>>
>> I did not see anything relevant.
>> Maybe it's possible to make it more verbose.
> 
> 
> There's not really a way to increase logging.
> 
> Does this issue occur anytime there is a moderator request or only for
> this one message? If it is only for this one, I don't know why that
> would happen silently, but if it is always, see
> <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030602>.

It's not happen always. Maybe always when the message is to big.

But thanks for the link. I did change the site from http to https, and I
even changed everything from 32-bits to 64-bits a while ago.

With regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Message not removeable

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Op 04-06-19 om 22:05 schreef Mark Sapiro:
> On 6/4/19 3:30 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>>
>> In one of the mailinglists came a message what's to big. I've changed
>> max_message_size but it was not possible to send the message. Now I want
>> to remove the message, but that's also not possible, it still is there
>> and the list-owner gets messages about it.
> 
> 
> How did you try to accept the message, and what happened?

Using the webinterface. I did not see any error, but the message was not
send.

> How are you trying to remove the message, and what happens?

Using the webinterface. I did not see an error, but the message was not
removed.

> Is there anything relevant in Mailman's error log?

I did not see anything relevant.
Maybe it's possible to make it more verbose.

>> How can I remove this message, or all messages (it's the only one what
>> waits on moderation).
> 
> 
> The moderator requests are in the file lists/LISTNAME/request.pck and
> the held message itself is in the file data/heldmsg-LISTNAME-nnn.pck.
> Both lists/ and data/ are in Mailman's file hierarchy.
>
> There is a script at <https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/list_requests>
> (mirrored at <https://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/list_requests>)
> which can list and optionally remove requests. It may work.
> 
> If you are sure the one held message is the only moderator request for
> this list, you can just remove the lists/LISTNAME/request.pck file, and
> Mailman will recreate it when needed. If you do that, you should also
> remove the data/heldmsg-LISTNAME-nnn.pck file containing the message.

This seems to work, the message is removed ;-)

Thanks for your help!


With regards,
Paul van der Vlis


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[Mailman-Users] Message not removeable

[Paul van der Vlis]

Hello,

In one of the mailinglists came a message what's to big. I've changed
max_message_size but it was not possible to send the message. Now I want
to remove the message, but that's also not possible, it still is there
and the list-owner gets messages about it.

How can I remove this message, or all messages (it's the only one what
waits on moderation).

With regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

[Paul Arenson]

Dmitri, Chip, Mark
Thank you.
So your judgment would be for Yahoo users in particular to get a new address? 
How about hotmail, outlook, or gmail users?
Of course they could,  I assume, keep those addresses for nob mailing list 
stuff and open a new account for mailing lists with protonmail, tutanova etc if 
they do not have a company or school address (and forward to a mail client if 
they know how to do that-which many of my users being language teachers seem to 
be resistant to understanding-grin).
Any recommendations on big email companies that are safe?
And would you limit it to Yahoo or tell others on hotmail and gmail having 
trouble the same?
Thanks
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Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

[paul]

Thank you, Mark.  Had to resend this as I forgot to remove the quotes in the 
first attempt. Re it being a DMARC issue, all the options look bad (except 
telling people to use another email provider). 


OPTIONS
A few are unclear, such as RESTARTING Mailman. How does one restart it? I use 
Cpanel and do not know the inner workings.

Which do you think it the best of the suggestions? I already have content 
filtering set to off to allow attachments. And there is currently only a footer 
that says:

___
Galeexec mailing list
galee...@gale-sig.org <mailto:galee...@gale-sig.org>
http://mail.gale-sig.org/mailman/listinfo/galeexec_gale-sig.org 
<http://mail.gale-sig.org/mailman/listinfo/galeexec_gale-sig.org>


Again, the list is REPLY TO LIST.


IS IT ONLY YAHOO ADDRESSES?

I found another article that makes me wonder— 
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html
 
<https://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html>

it says  "List subscribers with email accounts on servers that perform DMARC 
checks, such as Gmail, Hotmail (Outlook.com <http://outlook.com/>), Comcast or 
Yahoo itself, will reject the original message and respond back to the list 
with automated DMARC error messages"……. making it seem that all of these 
providers are no-nos.

But later it says "So users of Gmail, Hotmail and other DMARC-enabled providers 
will not only fail to receive messages sent to the mailing list by Yahoo users, 
but will flood the list with bounce messages, risking to be bounced off the 
list themselves”.


This sentence seems to imply that it is YAHOO users who should switch. But the 
previous quote implies people with all of those providers should switch.


Can you give me your opinion. Is it Yahoo that is breaking mailing lists, or is 
it Yahoo, Gmail and Hotmail?


Thanks

Paul Arenson




> On Oct 10, 2017, at 21:58, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net 
> <mailto:m...@msapiro.net>> wrote:
> 
> On October 9, 2017 11:56:02 PM PDT, p...@tokyoprogressive.org 
> <mailto:p...@tokyoprogressive.org> wrote:
>> Hi and hope the answer(s) to my question are relatively simple. On one
>> of two lists I manage, some people are getting deleted due to too many
>> bounces.  And the bounces seem to be related to their mail provider not
>> allowing the messages.   As far as I can tell, the main culprits are
>> gmail, yahoo, and hotmail.
> 
> 
> I think this is a DMARC issue. See <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891458 
> <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891458>>.
> 
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

[paul]

EMAIL
tokyoprogress...@mailbox.org
p...@tokyoprogressive.org
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
NEWS AND ACTIVISM
http://tokyoprogressive.org

MUSIC
http://paularenson.org
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Phone/Voice Mail
050-5308-5394
From abroad 81-50-5308-5394

Phone/SMS
090-4173-3873
From abroad 81-90-4173-3873

Contact via LINE is also possible.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


> On Oct 10, 2017, at 23:57, p...@tokyoprogressive.org wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Mark.  All the options look bad (except telling people to use 
> another email provider).
> 
> 
> OPTIONS
> A few are unclear, such as RESTARTING Mailman. How does one restart it? I use 
> Cpanel and do not know the inner workings.
> 
> Which do you think it the best of the suggestions? I already have content 
> filtering set to off to allow attachments. And there is currently only a 
> footer that says:
> 
> ___
> Galeexec mailing list
> galee...@gale-sig.org 
> http://mail.gale-sig.org/mailman/listinfo/galeexec_gale-sig.org 
> 
> 
> 
> Again, the list is REPLY TO LIST.
> 
> 
> IS IT ONLY YAHOO ADDRESSES?
> 
> I found another article that makes me wonder— 
> https://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html
>  
> 
> 
> it says  "List subscribers with email accounts on servers that perform DMARC 
> checks, such as Gmail, Hotmail (Outlook.com ), Comcast 
> or Yahoo itself, will reject the original message and respond back to the 
> list with automated DMARC error messages"……. making it seem that all of these 
> providers are no-nos.
> 
> But later it says "So users of Gmail, Hotmail and other DMARC-enabled 
> providers will not only fail to receive messages sent to the mailing list by 
> Yahoo users, but will flood the list with bounce messages, risking to be 
> bounced off the list themselves”.
> 
> 
> This sentence seems to imply that it is YAHOO users who should switch. But 
> the previous quote implies people with all of those providers should switch.
> 
> 
> Can you give me your opinion. Is it Yahoo that is breaking mailing lists, or 
> is it Yahoo, Gmail and Hotmail?
> 
> 
> Thanls
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2017, at 21:58, Mark Sapiro > > wrote:
>> 
>> On October 9, 2017 11:56:02 PM PDT, p...@tokyoprogressive.org 
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi and hope the answer(s) to my question are relatively simple. On one
>>> of two lists I manage, some people are getting deleted due to too many
>>> bounces.  And the bounces seem to be related to their mail provider not
>>> allowing the messages.   As far as I can tell, the main culprits are
>>> gmail, yahoo, and hotmail.
>> 
>> 
>> I think this is a DMARC issue. See > >.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Sapiro >
>> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.
> 

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[Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

[paul]

Hi and hope the answer(s) to my question are relatively simple. On one of two 
lists I manage, some people are getting deleted due to too many bounces.  And 
the bounces seem to be related to their mail provider not allowing the 
messages.   As far as I can tell, the main culprits are gmail, yahoo, and 
hotmail.


Of course, those people blame Mailman.  From what i have read, it is not 
necessarily that. But complicating things is that people were complaining that 
the default REPLY to SENDER was not appropriate for a discussion list, so I 
just switched it over to REPLY TO GROUP. I do not THINK that is the reason for 
the trouble, but here in the space of a few minutes are some of the messages I 
have gotten with my questions in caps.

PROBLEM ONE

UNABLE TO SEND? RECEIVE?

a...@yahoo.com <mailto:a...@yahoo.com> 
host mta7.am0.yahoodns.net <http://mta7.am0.yahoodns.net/> [66.196.118.37]
   SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
   554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html 
<https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html>

SEEMS TO BE YAHOO DOE SNOT LIKE MAILMAN AND ALSO SHE CANNOT ADD MAILMAN TO A 
WHITE LIST (THEY DO NOT HAVE).—>

IS IT POSSIBLE SHE IS USING A MAIL CLENT THAT DOES NOT SEND CORRECTLY? OR IS 
THIS THE YAHOO INTERACE?

IS THIS HER MESSAGE BEING SENT OR HER MAIL PROGRAM NOT ACCEPTING MESSAGES?



RELATED TO THIS:

Some people are getting unsubscribed as a result:

   List:   Galeexec
   Member  i...@hotmail.com <mailto:mccan...@hotmail.com>
   Action: Subscription disabled.
   Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.


CAUSE OF ALL THE ABOVE?
SOLUTIONS—BY LIST OWNER?   BY MEMBER?


NEXT
h...@hotmail.com <mailto:h...@hotmail.com>
  host hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com 
<http://hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com/> [104.44.194.233]
   SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
   550 5.7.0 (SNT004-MC7F11) Unfortunately, messages from (199.223.209.221) on 
behalf of (yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com/>) could not be delivered due to domain 
owner policy restrictions.

SAME THING?  I note the user has a hotmail address.  

CAUSE OF THE ABOVE?
SOLUTIONS—BY LIST OWNER?   BY MEMBER?


BELOW THAT IS MORE INFO (RELATED TO THE ABOVE?)

RESPECTIVELY 


Action: failed
Final-Recipient: rfc822;y...@yahoo.com <mailto:quen...@yahoo.com>
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mta7.am0.yahoodns.net <http://mta7.am0.yahoodns.net/>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html 
<https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html>

Action: failed
Final-Recipient: rfc822; h...@hotmail.com <mailto:h...@hotmail.com>
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com 
<http://hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com/>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 5.7.0 (SNT004-MC7F11) Unfortunately, messages from 
(199.223.209.221) on behalf of (yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com/>) could not be 
delivered due to domain owner policy restrictions.

There are others like this and they all share one of the two providers. 


PROBLEM TWO
Though GMAIL USERS have reported messages in SPAM. No errors messages to the 
list.

CAUSE OF THE ABOVE?
SOLUTIONS—BY LIST OWNER?   BY MEMBER?

Thank you very much.

Paul Arenson
Japan







EMAIL
tokyoprogress...@mailbox.org <mailto:tokyoprogress...@mailbox.org>
p...@tokyoprogressive.org
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NEWS AND ACTIVISM
http://tokyoprogressive.org

MUSIC
http://paularenson.org
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Phone/Voice Mail
050-5308-5394
From abroad 81-50-5308-5394

Phone/SMS
090-4173-3873
From abroad 81-90-4173-3873

Contact via LINE is also possible.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -




EMAIL
tokyoprogress...@mailbox.org
p...@tokyoprogressive.org
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
NEWS AND ACTIVISM
http://tokyoprogressive.org

MUSIC
http://paularenson.org
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Phone/Voice Mail
050-5308-5394
From abroad 81-50-5308-5394

Phone/SMS
090-4173-3873
From abroad 81-90-4173-3873

Contact via LINE is also possible.
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[Mailman-Users] Mail delivery or sending issues and list reply settings

[paul]

Hi and hope the answer(s) to my question are relatively simple. On one of two 
lists I manage, some people are getting deleted due to too many bounces.  And 
the bounces seem to be related to their mail provider not allowing the 
messages.   As far as I can tell, the main culprits are gmail, yahoo, and 
hotmail.


Of course, those people blame Mailman.  From what i have read, it is not 
necessarily that. But complicating things is that people were complaining that 
the default REPLY to SENDER was not appropriate for a discussion list, so I 
just switched it over to REPLY TO GROUP. I do not THINK that is the reason for 
the trouble, but here in the space of a few minutes are some of the messages I 
have gotten with my questions in caps.

(On the other hand, we didn’t have this issue UNTIL I switched to reply to the 
list. So I am wondering if there IS indeed a connection. Also unsure if this is 
a problem with the user not being able to receive mail, send mail, or both so 
far).

PROBLEM ONE: UNABLE TO SEND AND/OR RECEIVE EXAMPLES FROM YAHOO AND HOTMAIL

a...@yahoo.com <mailto:a...@yahoo.com> 
host mta7.am0.yahoodns.net <http://mta7.am0.yahoodns.net/> [66.196.118.37]
   SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
   554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html 
<https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html>

SEEMS TO BE YAHOO DOES NOT LIKE MAILMAN AND ALSO SHE CANNOT ADD MAILMAN TO A 
WHITE LIST (YAHOO DO NOT HAVE).—>

IS IT POSSIBLE SHE IS USING A MAIL CLENT THAT DOES NOT SEND CORRECTLY? OR IS 
THIS THE YAHOO INTERFACE?

IS THIS HER MESSAGE BEING SENT OR HER MAIL PROGRAM NOT ACCEPTING MESSAGES?



RELATED TO THIS:

Some people are getting unsubscribed as a result:

   List:   Galeexec
   Member  i...@hotmail.com <mailto:mccan...@hotmail.com>
   Action: Subscription disabled.
   Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.


CAUSE OF ALL THE ABOVE?
SOLUTIONS—BY LIST OWNER?   BY MEMBER?


NEXT EXAMPLE OF SAME
h...@hotmail.com <mailto:h...@hotmail.com>
  host hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com 
<http://hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com/> [104.44.194.233]
   SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
   550 5.7.0 (SNT004-MC7F11) Unfortunately, messages from (199.223.209.221) on 
behalf of (yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com/>) could not be delivered due to domain 
owner policy restrictions.

SAME THING?  I note the user has a hotmail address.  

CAUSE OF THE ABOVE?
SOLUTIONS—BY LIST OWNER?   BY MEMBER?


BELOW THAT IS MORE INFO (RELATED TO THE ABOVE?)

RESPECTIVELY 


Action: failed
Final-Recipient: rfc822;y...@yahoo.com <mailto:quen...@yahoo.com>
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mta7.am0.yahoodns.net <http://mta7.am0.yahoodns.net/>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html 
<https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html>

Action: failed
Final-Recipient: rfc822; h...@hotmail.com <mailto:h...@hotmail.com>
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com 
<http://hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com/>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 5.7.0 (SNT004-MC7F11) Unfortunately, messages from 
(199.223.209.221) on behalf of (yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com/>) could not be 
delivered due to domain owner policy restrictions.

There are others like this and they all share one of the two providers. 


PROBLEM TWO
Though GMAIL USERS have reported messages in SPAM. No errors messages to the 
list.

CAUSE OF THE ABOVE?
SOLUTIONS—BY LIST OWNER?   BY MEMBER?

Thank you very much.

Paul Arenson
Japan




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[Mailman-Users] Privacy Options > Sender Filters > Accept_these_non-members

[Paul Hunt]

Version 2.1.24

According to the documentation, I can set Privacy Options > Sender Filters > 
Accept_these_non-members to allow members of other local lists to post. It is 
not working for me.

Example:
Domain: parishplayers.org
List: bo...@parishplayers.org
I added: @digital to Accept_these_non-members (digi...@parishplayers.org is a 
valid, working list)
It still holds mail from people on the digital mailing list.

Am I doing something wrong?


Thanks,
Paul

paul.h...@customsupport.com
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F × S = k (the product of freedom and security is a constant)

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[Mailman-Users] Email Command Question

[Paul Mosher]

I am an experienced user of Majordomo and am trying to get up to speed on
   Mailman.  My question has to do specifically with the Mailman EMAIL
   INTERFACE, not the WWW interface which seems to be pretty simple to use.
   However, the tech guy at the organization for which I am looking into
   Mailman wants to be able to use the EMAIL interface to (1) download a list
   of subscribers to a list and (2) add (not invite) subscribers to the list.

   As to (1), I had no trouble getting the list of subscribers using a "who"
   email command once I figured out that I have to use the admin password in
   the message and place the command in the SUBJECT LINE  of the email, as in
Subject: who 

   However, if I move the command from the subject line to the message body
   (leaving the subject line empty), as in:

   Subject: 

   (and in the message body:)
   who 
   end

   I get NO RESPONSE at all from the server -- neither an error message nor
   the correct result of the command, as if the my email is being discarded
   by the server.  And if  I do it this way:

   Subject: who request

   (and in the message body)
   who 
   end

   THEN I do get a reply but it is an error message:
   "You are not allowed to retrieve the list membership."

   which seems to me to indicate that the server is trying to interpret the
   subject line, sees the word "request" as an incorrect password, and then
   doesn't check the message body at all.

   According to the mailman documentation the command should work if it is in
   either place in the email:
   "Commands can appear in the subject line or the body of the message."
   [1]http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node10.html

   So that's my first question. What did I do wrong?

   (2) As to subscribing (not inviting) subscribers via email, my
   understanding is that adding subscribers via email is not possible.  Is
   that correct?

   Thanks,
   Paul

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[Mailman-Users] I closed my lost but still get notices

[paul]

Hi

I used to have a list that I closed (I deleted it in Cpanel). I even moved the 
domain to a different host. But I still get notices at the first of the month 
about my membership in my own list. I presume others do, and it is annoying, 
since I have moved the whole list over to a service like MailChimp.

What could be causing this announcement and is there a way to stop it?

You can see it here:

…..snip…...
This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your
nangoku-jiyu-jin.net  mailing list memberships.  
It includes your
subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a
list.

You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or
configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery
or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such
changes.  For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of
the list (for example, tokyoprogressive-requ...@nangoku-jiyu-jin.net 
)
containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email
message will be sent to you with instructions.

If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to
…..


http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/mailman/options/tokyoprogressive/  …..


…..snip……

Thanks for any help in this.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Gmail.

[Paul Stuffins]

On 17/01/2016 20:15, David Benfell wrote:


On 01/17/2016 11:53 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 01/16/2016 11:58 AM, Paul Stuffins wrote:

Can we install mailman on a VPS, and use it with Google Apps? I have tried
googling and not got a definitive answer, hence emailing the mailing list.

I don't understand what you mean by "use it with Google Apps". Mailman
is normally installed on a server along with an MTA and a web server,
see <http://www.list.org/mailman-install/> for more info on MM 2.1 or
<http://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman3> for MM 3.

Can you provide more specifics as to what you are looking for?

I think what's going on here is that the OP wants to use gmail as their
MTA (honestly, I don't see the attraction). I assume this *might* be
possible by using a local postfix on the VPS as a secondary MX server to
the gmail primary.


This is what I was trying to say. I would prefer to use Google as the 
MTA for mailman as I do not really want to run and manage my own MTA.


Many Thanks
Paul
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman with Gmail.

[Paul Stuffins]

Hi Everybody,

We use Google Apps as our email platform but would like to install and run
our own mailing list software as Google's offering does not really suit us.

Can we install mailman on a VPS, and use it with Google Apps? I have tried
googling and not got a definitive answer, hence emailing the mailing list.

Many Thanks
Paul
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do my posts to own mailman list disappear.

[Paul Arenson/tokyoprogressive]

Thank you to Steve Turnbull and Mark Shapiro for helping me brainstorm why my 
mailing list was not working.

It turns out it was not a Mailman problem after all. my provider sent me new 
server info that went straight into my spam box,
and so when it was time to update my mail server (send and receive both new), I 
stopped getting mail and being able to send mail.

Now that I have updated the servers, all is well.  Well, one thing is odd: no 
system messages came into mailman until I contacted support and got the 
instructions. In face, all became normal IN THE MAILMAN INTERFACE at least once 
I had contacted support.  I don’t see how my being able to send and receive 
would affect system messages just coming into Mailman itself…Although the 
messages started again from the time I was told the new server info by support, 
so until then they were being lost.

I don’t know what to make of that, but am glad it is running again.  

Thanks Mark and Steve!


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do my posts to own mailman list disappear.

[Paul Arenson/tokyoprogressive]

Thank you Stephen…..


 On Aug 22, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote:
 
 Paul Arenson/tokyoprogressive writes:
 
 I looked in Cpanel and could see no directory starting with /usr/.

Stephen:

 
 cPanel won't give you access to that, I'm pretty sure.  You need to
 have shell access to the host or virtual machine.  If you don't know
 if you have shell access, you probably don't.  Large hosting services
 tend to be quite stingy about handing out shell access.

I guess maybe I don’t.  Just normal FTP. 



turnlefthosting.org http://turnlefthosting.org/ was my idea to run a simple 
hosting service. With reseller hosting, in my case I don’t sell anything, but 
donate webspace
to NPOs. Because it is a resller account with what I think it is called WHM, I 
create space for their domains. They get their own CPanel.

So turnlefthosting.org http://turnlefthosting.org/ also hosts 
nangoku-jiyu-jin.net http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/, gale-sig.org 
http://gale-sig.org/, welljapan.org http://welljapan.org/, 
tokyoprogressive.org.uk http://tokyoprogressive.org.uk/.

In fact, I realize now I don’t need all this complexity. I could do the same 
thing with a regular account and add-on domains.

But as I have it, I can create lists for the different domains using their 
version of CPanel and Softaculous.




 
 I have a reseller account
 
 What does that mean?  Aha, I see.  *You* are turnlefthosting.org, but
 the PTR says your IP is assigned to 100tb.com, so you're the reseller
 for somebody who actually runs the hardware.

Actually I am not sure what PTR is…..but my reseller hosting is just that, I 
pay for space from EZPZ and
then can do as described above.
 
 A little bit of browsing the related DNS shows quite a bit of a mess.
 None of the published domains properly roundtrip A - PTR - A, they
 just lead into a maze of little twisty passages all alike.  That
 doesn't necessarily cause a problem by itself, but it often makes
 problems harder to diagnose.

I see. Not sure exactly what that means….but thanks...
 
 and nangoku-jiyu-jin.net http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/ is a subset
 of turnlefthostimg.org http://turnlefthostimg.org/,
 
 I think you're going to have to ask your upstream for help on this.

Ok...
 
 That said there are a few long shots you could try to diagnose it
 yourself.  One is a manual transaction with the mailserver and see if
 it's being rejected at the SMTP level.

What would I need to do?


 
 Another thing I noticed is that you typoed turnlefthosting.org as
 turnlefthostimg.org in the above.  Is it possible that you typoed a
 host or list name somewhere in a recent configuration ichange?

Nothing changed at all in my list.  It was working with no problems for 
2 years.  Recently I have been getting a lot of spam, so when a sufficient 
number had built
up I went in and got rid of it using BAN so-and-so, DISCARD, so and so…

I am suspicious that I did something at this level, but can’t see anything that 
would cause 
that problem….
 
 Do you have a personal mailbox on nangoku-jiyu-jin.net?  If so, does
 that work?

Yes, both p...@nangoku-jiyu-jin.net mailto:p...@nangoku-jiyu-jin.net and 
p...@turnlefthosting.org mailto:p...@turnlefthosting.org work when sent mail 
from another address.

BUT it is going on 5 minutes that I sent mail FROM each of those addresses to 
themselves and they did NOT arrive.

An SMTP level error?

They show up in their respective SENT folders and I get no error message.

This sounds like NOT a MAILMAN problem…

The last time I used the nangoku-jiyu-jin account to send was actually to 
mailman in July for the newsletter, which went through, so 
something has happened in the last month to affect SENDING from my domains it 
seems.


 
 I suppose you are the owner of your lists.  Have you tried writing to
 listname-ow...@nangoku-jiyu-jin.net?  It should forward to you.

Just tried, from a different domain, and am still waiting for a response.  
Suggests it is not ONLY an SMPT problem?

 
 According to the page at
 http://www.nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/mailman/listinfo/mailman, the mailman@
 list is hosted by dionysus.thewebhostserver.com, and the owner is
 r...@dionysus.thewebhostserver.com.  This is probably typical of
 cPanel (which has its own way of handling virtual hosting), but you
 should check your own listinfo and admin pages to be sure the virtual
 hosting is working correctly and everything points to



 nangoku-jiyu-jin.net.  (You may have trouble finding the proper
 Mailman interface, though, because cPanel has its own idiosyncratic
 management interface, and may even make the original inaccessible.)


This is it, right?


http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/mailman/listinfo/tokyoprogressive_nangoku-jiyu-jin.net
 
http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/mailman/listinfo/tokyoprogressive_nangoku-jiyu-jin.net


webhostserver is the name EZPZ (my webhosting provider) assigns.  I am not sure 
about the dionysus….

 
 Are your lists archived?
 

yes, here:

http://nangoku

Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do my posts to own mailman list disappear.

[Paul Arenson/tokyoprogressive]

Thanks for your message, Steven.



 On 2015/08/24, at 1:44, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote:
 
 Paul Arenson/tokyoprogressive writes:
 
 Actually I am not sure what PTR is…..but my reseller hosting is
 just that, I pay for space from EZPZ and then can do as described
 above.
 
 Ah, sorry.  PTR is the pointer record from a numeric IP address to a
 human-readable domain name.
 
 I see. Not sure exactly what that means….but thanks...
 
 If you don't know, and don't care, no problem.  If you want the long
 story, just ask. :-)
 


Thanks

 That said there are a few long shots you could try to diagnose it
 yourself.  One is a manual transaction with the mailserver and see if
 it's being rejected at the SMTP level.
 
 What would I need to do?
 
 Give me an existing address, which you already did.  :-)  I just sent
 you a test message from st...@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp, and it was
 accepted OK by nangoku-jiyu-jin-net (which again identified itself
 as dionysus).  So it's not a problem at the incoming SMTP level, mail
 is going in to the host.


Right. I received it. I responded once from the same account. And once from the 
Tokyoprogressive account.  I believe ONLY the one I sent from Tokyoprogressive 
went through, pointing to a SENDING problem from nangoku-jiyu-jin and maybe 
also turnlefthosting.org.  Tokyoprogressive would be unaffected because it is a 
totally different provider.
 
 Nothing changed at all in my list.
 
 No changes to the host configuration (general spam filters, etc) that
 you know of, either, right?
 
 It was working with no problems for 2 years.  Recently I have been
 getting a lot of spam, so when a sufficient number had built up I
 went in and got rid of it using BAN so-and-so, DISCARD, so and so…
 
 You mean in the Mailman moderation interface for the list, right?
 Theoretically you could have sent mail, it got spamtrapped but you
 didn't notice the your post never appeared on the list, you banned the
 author and didn't notice it was you, etc, etc.  Doesn't seem likely.
 
 It would be much more likely if you entered patterns by hand in the
 Privacy - {Sender,Recipient,Spam} Filter screens.  (I don't know if
 cPanel has those, that's what they are called in unmodified Mailman.)
 But I guess you didn't do that?
 

No, and everything I do though in mailman is in the mailman program.  Almost 
never touch cpanel.  
 Yes, both p...@nangoku-jiyu-jin.net
 mailto:p...@nangoku-jiyu-jin.net and p...@turnlefthosting.org
 mailto:p...@turnlefthosting.org work when sent mail from another
 address.
 
 BUT it is going on 5 minutes that I sent mail FROM each of those
 addresses to themselves and they did NOT arrive.
 
 How do you do that?  By setting the From and To addresses in your
 local mail client, and sending via smtp.comcast.net?  Or do you have
 webmail running on nangoku-jiyu-jin.net, or ... ?

On my Mac in my mail client. There is a web interface in cpanel, but I have 
rarely used it.
 
 They show up in their respective SENT folders and I get no error
 message.
 
 Do you have a copy of an old message sent through your list, with all
 headers intact (I want to look at the Received headers)?  I don't need
 the content, just the headers, but if the content is innocuous, just
 forward the whole message to me.

Yes. When I get home I can send you the July message, which went through.  In 
mailman's archives it shows up with the html unreadable, but in  a mail client 
it works.
 
 This sounds like NOT a MAILMAN problem…
 
 I agree.
 
 http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/mailman/listinfo/tokyoprogressive_nangoku-jiyu-jin.net
 
 Everything looks good there.  Not that there's all that much, but it
 looks like the admin addresses etc in the mailto links are right and
 the archive link works, and the admin link works (although as expected
 it's not very helpful since I can't log in).

I could enable that if need be.
 
 Are your lists archived?
 
 Thanks, I found them.  Unfortunately, they don't have the trace
 headers (Received) in them (and they wouldn't have the outgoing hops
 anyway).  So they weren't much help.
 
 You are in Japan by any chance? You know the term “kechi”.  There
 is an historian on Japanese history with your name, but wait, there
 is an academic at Tsukuba with the same name.  (I was there for two
 years starting in 2009 or 10).
 
 I'm the latter, in the Policy and Planning Sciences department.

Dozo,yoroshiku. I was at the language center and also taught the head of the 
nursing dept privately as my wife is also a nurse.
 
 I wonder….EZPZ is pretty big, but i guess that doesn’t necessarily
 mean anything….Also, this is an installation from the Softaculous
 package, so I doubt they even support it.
 
 How do you install something unsupported if you don't have a shell
 account?  I'm curious because maybe you do have a shell account but
 don't know it. :-)

In Cpanel they have something called Softaculous. Previously they used 
something called Fantastico. I guess

[Mailman-Users] Fwd: Why do my posts to own mailman list disappear.

[Paul Arenson/tokyoprogressive]

Further to the above, I have tested and found NOTHING goes through…I can’t even 
get a request to subscribe through. It is effectively dead!!!

What to do?

Paul Arenson/tokyoprogressive
p...@tokyoprogressive.org



 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: Paul Arenson/tokyoprogressive p...@tokyoprogressive.org
 Subject: Re: Why do my posts to own mailman list disappear.
 Date: August 22, 2015 at 2:26:22 PM GMT+9
 To: mailman-users@python.org mailman-users@python.org
 
 Thank you, Mark.
 
 I looked in Cpanel and could see no directory starting with /usr/.  I have a 
 reseller account and nangoku-jiyu-jin.net http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/ is a 
 subset of turnlefthostimg.org http://turnlefthostimg.org/, but for now I am 
 looking in the cpanel for nangoku-jiyu-jin.net 
 http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/. Again, no such directory in that CPanel.  I 
 tried looking in root, etc. but do not see such a name as /usr/.
 
 Then I figured out my FTP login and got in using the Transmit program.  I see 
 a /usr/ folder at the end of a very long list of folders and files:
 .bash.logout 
 —
 ---
 --
 cpanel folder
 
 
 
 public_ftp
 public_html
 ssl
 tmp
 usr
 www
 
 I click on usr and get Could not change directory to /usr
 Server said can’t change directory to /usr: No such directory.
 Error -125: remote chdir failed.
 
 There is a cpanel  folder but that doesn’t seem to help. 
 
 Am I looking in the wrong place?
 
 Thanks, Paul
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do my posts to own mailman list disappear.

[Paul Arenson/tokyoprogressive]

Thank you, Mark.

I looked in Cpanel and could see no directory starting with /usr/.  I have a 
reseller account and nangoku-jiyu-jin.net http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/ is a 
subset of turnlefthostimg.org http://turnlefthostimg.org/, but for now I am 
looking in the cpanel for nangoku-jiyu-jin.net http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/. 
Again, no such directory in that CPanel.  I tried looking in root, etc. but do 
not see such a name as /usr/.

Then I figured out my FTP login and got in using the Transmit program.  I see a 
/usr/ folder at the end of a very long list of folders and files:
.bash.logout 
—
---
--
cpanel folder



public_ftp
public_html
ssl
tmp
usr
www

I click on usr and get Could not change directory to /usr
Server said can’t change directory to /usr: No such directory.
Error -125: remote chdir failed.

There is a cpanel  folder but that doesn’t seem to help. 

Am I looking in the wrong place?

Thanks, Paul








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Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do my posts to own mailman list disappear.

[Paul Arenson/tokyoprogressive]

Thank you Mark.  About Vette list, I don't know if I have shell access.  I have 
CPanel, and that is all I have used.  Any way to check?  

I will, in the meantime, try another subject, though somehow I don't think that 
is it, as I havenever set anything to discard. Anyway to check what my settings 
are within mailman, such as if I marked my name for automatic deletion by 
mistake?

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[Mailman-Users] Why do my posts to my own mailman list disappear.

[Paul Arenson/tokyoprogressive]

I have had my own mailman list for two years. Recently, messages I sent to the 
list neither appeared (when sent from my regular email account), nor generated 
a message that the message was being held for moderation, when sent from 
another email account.

I have no clue. Well, just one really. Recently I have had so many spam 
messages, dealt with by banning or automatically rejecting, am am wondering if 
I somehow automatically deleted my own info. 

If so, is there any way to check and remedy?

Or could there be another reason?

I am on a Mac, for what it is worth.

Thanks,
paul

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[Mailman-Users] Configuration of New Mailman Instance

[Paul Crown]

Greetings,

This is my first experience with installing and setting up Mailman.  My
servers are all Ubuntu 12.04.  Mailman was install to install from
repositories.

I could use some pointers to where on Wiki, Docs or Archives describing
configuring Mailman.  Most of the help I am reading is for Mailman,
Apache2 and Postfix to all be running on the same server.

My scenerio:

Server W is running Apache2, and my initial config has
http://lists.mydomain.com letting me login as admin and create new lists.
Server P is running Postfix
Server R is my mail-relay for outbound SMTP traffic unique to this domain

No messages are being sent out through R or any other server for that
matter.
No messages are being received by P.  (5.1.1 list-email address
rejected: user unknown in relay recipient table.

Any pointers appreciated.

Paul
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[Mailman-Users] Apostrophe in a user's email

[Paul Kleeberg]

We are trying to subscribe a user who has an apostrophe in their email address 
to a list using the web interface and get the message: “Hostile address 
(illegal characters)”.  Suggestions as to how we proceed.  (For some reason, 
the e-mail commands do not seem to be responding - was going to try using that 
but that is a separate issue)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Distutils is not available or is incomplete for /usr/bin/python

[Paul Kleeberg]

Odd how things come back again.

Searching for a solution to a problem I am having with a clean install, I found 
this.  Apparently this problem was solved for me almost 4 years ago for me by 
installing Xcode.  Now it is not.

I have a clean install of MacOSX 10.8.3 server, downloaded Xcode 4.6.1 from the 
App Store and installed it.  Was following the instructions on Allen's post 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2013-March/074888.html and when 
I went to run:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman --with-cgi-gid=_www 
--with-mail-gid=_mailman

Got the message:

* Distutils is not available or is incomplete for /usr/bin/python 

Grr…

Searching the Xcode documentation for distutils, I find:

The Python modules included in the standard package for OS X are the 
following:
•  bdist_mpkg — Builds OS X installer packages from distutils

So I assume it should be in there.  Interestingly the command found in 
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg56963.html produces:

mini53:~ paul$ sudo Python -V
sudo: Python: command not found

While

mini53:~ paul$ sudo python -V
Python 2.7.2

Is the problem in that my partition is case sensitive?

Suggestions as to what I should do?

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On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Jerry Stratton je...@sandiego.edu wrote:

 On Dec 14, 2009, at 8:39 AM, Paul Kleeberg wrote:
 
 Distutils is not available or is incomplete for /usr/bin/python
 
 
 
 http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=Distutils+is+not+available+or+is+incomplete+for+/usr/bin/pythonie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8
 
 
 Have you installed XCode?
 
 Jerry
 
 On Windows, use Alt-PrtScr to take a screenshot; you can then paste it into 
 an e-mail message.
 On Mac OS X, use Command-Shift-3 to take a screenshot (or if you only want to 
 send a single window, use Command-Shift-4, position the mouse over the window 
 you want, and then use the space bar). This will create a file on your 
 desktop that you can drag into any document, such as an e-mail message.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving list members and passwords to Mailman onanew server

[Paul Kleeberg]

User error :-).  Worked exactly as Mark described.  Had to wrestle with Apache 
and dns little bit though (since I was adding a domain name to the new server) 
and the Mac web interface.  The web interface hosed my DNS but luckily was able 
to get it all back.

I do have one error.  I get the message that there are no publicly advertised 
lists on both the admin and listinfo pages however when I append those URLs 
with /listname it takes me to the appropriate pages and everything works fine 
from there.  I tried turning on and off the Advertise this list… in the 
privacy settings but it did not seem to make a difference.  Also ran withlist 
-l -r fix_url listname but that did not seem to make a difference.

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On Jan 20, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 Mark Sapiro wrote:
 
 Paul Kleeberg wrote:
 
 Can anyone tell me how I might migrate the list members to the new server 
 along with their passwords?
 
 
 Just copy the config.pck files to the appropriate place on the new
 server.
 
 
 Also, see the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/2oA9.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving list members and passwords to Mailman onanew server

[Paul Kleeberg]

Bingo!  Thanks again!
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On Jan 21, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 If the host name in the URL you are using to access the listinfo page
 is not the same as DEFAULT_URL_HOST, you need to run
 
 withlist -l -r fix_url listname -u hostname
 
 See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/6oA9 and perhaps the others
 linked therefrom.
 

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[Mailman-Users] Moving list members and passwords to Mailman on a new server

[Paul Kleeberg]

I am finally migrating a copy of mailman lists off of an older Mac running 10.6 
(Snow Leopard) Server to a new Mac with Mountain Lion 10.8 server.  I found the 
instructions on http://www.livetime.com/mountain-lion-mailman-mailing-list/ 
very helpful to install mailman on 10.8.  Since the paths seemed to be vastly 
different, I migrated the config.pck files with config_list, extracting the 
settings from 10.6 and importing them to the new config.pck file on the 10.8 
box.  Subscribers were not migrated though it appears they are in the pickle 
file.

I tried to use step 6 from the website above 

ln -s /usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py
python
import paths
import Mailman, pickle
configFile = open('config.pck')
config = pickle.load(configFile)
config['created_at']
a title=members href=http://www.livetime.com/members/;members/a = 
config['members'].keys()
members.sort()
print 'n'.join(members)

But it did not work for me.  I tried pasting line by line, but after the python 
command, I was stuck.  I also fear that, thought it might be successful, it may 
not migrate passwords.

Can anyone tell me how I might migrate the list members to the new server along 
with their passwords?

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[Mailman-Users] mailman-to-postfix.py Illegal Invocation errors when i put the correct transport

[Paul Weinx]

Hi friends.
I have a Postfix to handle virtual domains and users, and it works
perfectly. I have Mailman installed and removed about 30 times, trying
different configurations, but I'm desperate, because I only work in a way
that I describe below.

Suppose my domain is domain.com, and I want to use lists.domain.com
exclusively for lists (If it does not work even with mail...@domain.com, I
do not even want to imagine what I must do to domain2.com, domain3.com,
etc). All dns are pointing to my server Ubuntu perfectly.

When i put in the / etc / mailman / transport file:
lists.domain.com mailman:
and try to send an email to mail...@domain.com, the mail.log drop me the
next error:

Sep 14 11:59:46 ws postfix / pipe [20487]: DB5333017C4: to =
mail...@lists.domain.com, mail...@domain.com orig_to =, relay = mailman,
delay = 0.5, delays = 0.49 / 0/0/0.01, dsn = 5.3.0, status = bounced
(command line usage error. Command output: Illegal invocation: '/ usr / lib
/ mailman / bin / postfix-to-mailman.py lists.domain.com mailman argv = /
usr / bin / spamc-f-e / usr / sbin / sendmail-oi-f paulwe...@hotmail.com -
mail...@lists.domain.com 'Did you forget to September
mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1 in main.cf ?)

No matter if i place in mm_cfg.py: MTA = 'Postfix' or MTA = 'None', or if
the file main.cf mydestination postfix leave empty, or put mydestination =
lists.domain.com, relay_domains or thousands of combinations I could think.

The only way that mailman knows that I am sending an email (and if you do it
from localhost moderation remains pending, although this is less important
to me) is putting in the transport file, the following:
domain.com mailman:

But in this way, every time I send an email to some virtual mailbox, try
looking in the name of any list, and therefore ceases to function incoming
mail!!

Please, I need your help. When I was a dedicated server and Virtuozzo Plesk,
with just 2 clicks and I was so dominos email for all Mailman for lists as I
wanted, but this server do not have any magic tools.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman-to-postfix.py Illegal Invocation errorswhen i put the correct transport

[Paul Weinx]

Hi, Mark, first of all thank you very much for your kind response.

It's amazing, the error i posted you was due to a fault # in a line in the
file uncommented mm_cfg.py..

Now I find another error when i post to a list, doesn't matter if to
mail...@lists.domain.com or  mail...@domain.com, and I dare not change
permissions without your advice:

Sep 14 18:38:43 ws Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error.  Mailman
expected the mail#012wrapper script to be executed as group daemon,
but#012the system's mail server executed the mail script as#012group
mailman.  Try tweaking the mail server to run the#012script as group
daemon, or re-run configure, #012providing the command line option
`--with-mail-gid=mailman'.
Sep 14 18:38:43 ws postfix/pipe[29466]: E3CB03029A1:
to=mail...@lists.domain.com, relay=mailman, delay=0.54,
delays=0.49/0/0/0.04, dsn=5.3.0, status=bounced (Command died with status 2:
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/postfix-to-mailman.py. Command output: Group mismatch
error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group
daemon, but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group
mailman.  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group
daemon, or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
`--with-mail-gid=mailman'. )

What can i do? It sounds me not as easy as execute a simple chown... I also
don't understand what's postfix-to-mailman.py pretending to do, if i don't
want this script be executed, i want a pure integration.

What will certainly get my attention, is that even though I came out I
posted that bug you, simply by mydestinations = $ mydomain, the list worked
perfectly! (sending to mail...@domain.com, what i want, cause i don't want
to need to include the lists preffix). But with the exception that virtual
users will not receive mail due to error do not specify domain.com in BOTH
mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domain but I can not afford it because
virtual users should be able to continue sending and receiving.

Thank you very much and i hope you can help me with the daemon group
issue.


Mark Sapiro-3 wrote:
 
 Paul Weinx wrote:
 

Hi friends.
I have a Postfix to handle virtual domains and users, and it works
perfectly. I have Mailman installed and removed about 30 times, trying
different configurations, but I'm desperate, because I only work in a way
that I describe below.

Suppose my domain is domain.com, and I want to use lists.domain.com
exclusively for lists (If it does not work even with mail...@domain.com, I
do not even want to imagine what I must do to domain2.com, domain3.com,
etc). All dns are pointing to my server Ubuntu perfectly.
 
 
 Please see the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD.
 
 
When i put in the / etc / mailman / transport file:
lists.domain.com mailman:
and try to send an email to mail...@domain.com, the mail.log drop me the
next error:

Sep 14 11:59:46 ws postfix / pipe [20487]: DB5333017C4: to =
mail...@lists.domain.com, mail...@domain.com orig_to =, relay =
mailman,
delay = 0.5, delays = 0.49 / 0/0/0.01, dsn = 5.3.0, status = bounced
(command line usage error. Command output: Illegal invocation: '/ usr /
lib
/ mailman / bin / postfix-to-mailman.py lists.domain.com mailman argv = /
usr / bin / spamc-f-e / usr / sbin / sendmail-oi-f paulwe...@hotmail.com -
mail...@lists.domain.com 'Did you forget to September
mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1 in main.cf ?)
 
 rant
 postfix_to_mailman.py is a third party module officially unsupported by
 the GNU Mailman project. It is used by Debian/Ubuntu for reasons
 unknown to me and causes much grief when people come here looking for
 help.
 /rant
 
 Note that the above error log message does not come from the
 postfix_to_mailman.py that I have seen. It seems to indicate that
 postfix_to_mailman.py is being invoked as part of some pipe involving
 spamc (Spamassassin) and sendmail, but why this is happening I don't
 know, and it would be wrong in any case.
 
 What is the entry in master.cf for the mailman transport? It should be
 at least similar to
 
 mailman unix  -   n   n   -   -   pipe
   flags=FR user=mailman:mailman 
   argv=/var/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user}
 
 without any extraneous whitespace.
 
 
No matter if i place in mm_cfg.py: MTA = 'Postfix' or MTA = 'None',
 
 
 MTA = None (no quotes arond None) is appropriate for
 postfix_to_mailman.py. MTA = 'Postfix' is for automated generation of
 aliases and virtual mappings which is the recommended method for
 integrating Postfix with Mailman and is npt compatible with
 postfix_to_mailman.py.
 
 
 or if
the file main.cf mydestination postfix leave empty, or put mydestination =
lists.domain.com, relay_domains or thousands of combinations I could
think.

The only way that mailman knows that I am sending an email (and if you do
it
from localhost moderation remains pending, although this is less important
to me) is putting in the transport file, the following:
domain.com mailman

[Mailman-Users] modify newlist created email?

[Paul Morrison]

Hi Everyone, 

Does anyone know how to modify the contents of the email message that is sent 
to the list owner when a list is initially created in Mailman? 

I'm talking about this e-mail: 
- 
The mailing list `temporary' has just been created for you. The 
following is some basic information about your mailing list. 

Your mailing list password is: 

xxx 

You need this password to configure your mailing list. You also need 
it to handle administrative requests, such as approving mail if you 
choose to run a moderated list. 

You can configure your mailing list at the following web page: 
- 

I'd like to modify this e-mail to include a custom URL and subject... 

Thanks, 
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[Mailman-Users] Copying rejection reason and email to multiple moderators?

[Paul Key]

Mailman 2.1.11
Linux

Hi everybody

I have a list with more than one moderator.  When one moderator rejects 
a post to the moderated list I would like a copy of the rejected email 
and the reason for rejection sent to the other moderators.  I have 
looked at the Additionally, forward this message to: option on the 
Posting Held for Approval but this only forwards the rejected email 
and not the reason for rejection. Is there a way of forwarding both the 
email and the reason for rejection to the other moderators?


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[Mailman-Users] message emails not going out, requests not being recieved

[Paul Evenden]

I have been using mailman for over 2 years and since december 2010 it has not 
been sending out my group emails nor have I been receiving requests for 
subscribing. Nothing has changed that I know of.
how can I test? where do I look?

Paul evenden


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Stripping sig files

[Paul Tomblin]

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:24 AM, bruce clark brucecl...@icon.co.za wrote:
 My problem: the users on my lists are waging a low-level war with their sig
 files. I do not allow commercial posting so they have started creating sig
 files with their commercial messages inside them.


You're not going to solve a social problem with technology.  If people
are violating the terms of the list, boot them off until they agree to
follow the terms of the list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to send messages out to only a portion of the members?

[Paul Tomblin]

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Alan McConnell a...@patriot.net wrote:
 That duty done, to my question:  I should like to be able to
 send messages to a selected partion of a membership and automate
 this procedure if possible.  Example: to send members whose
 dues elapse in month N a reminder in month N - 1.   I am thinking:
 a database of members, paralleling the one kept by mailman, but
 with e.g. subscription information kept in it.


One suggestion would be to use Topics - put everybody in a topic
group depending on when their dues lapse, and use that topic when you
send out dues notices.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives

[Paul Tomblin]

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Liste Yoneticisi liste...@metu.edu.tr wrote:
 In our system, there are more than 400 lists, and the size of their archives
 vary, since there are more than 10 years old lists addition to new lists.

 There are several alternatives.
 htdig, xapian etc.

If you find one that allows you to still use the mailman login system
so that only members of a list can view the archives, please let me
know.  I looked at a few archive searchers, but it appears they all
either make the list archives public, or you can do a htaccess thing
which will require you to change the password every time somebody
leaves the list and tell all the current members the new password,
etc.


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[Mailman-Users] Interesting problem with gmail users

[Paul Tomblin]

Note: this is NOT the frequently asked question about why GMail users
don't see their own posts.

I run a bunch of mailman mailing lists, and I'm subscribed to those
lists from my GMail account.  I also set up a filter to tag the posts
from those mailing lists.  However, the messages from some other GMail
users on those mailing lists show a banner that says Due to a filter
you created, this message was not sent to Spam. Edit Filters.  Other
GMail users do not show that banner.  The ones who do show the banner
show it consistently for every message they send to the list (although
not on messages they send me directly) and the ones who do not show
the banner never show it.  I've never seen it for a non-GMail address.

I suspect it has something to do with the way GMail puts a
DKIM-Signature and DomainKey-Signature on outgoing mail.  Something
Mailman is doing is making the signatures invalid.  As a matter of
fact, doing a Show original on a couple of the flagged messages
seems to confirm that, with messages like

Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of
geeks-boun...@list.xcski.com designates 69.164.214.240 as permitted
sender) smtp.mail=geeks-boun...@list.xcski.com; dkim=neutral (body
hash did not verify) header...@gmail.com

So what are my options here?  Can I strip out the DKIM headers within
Mailman?  Or should I just configure my mailserver to add a DKIM
header?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Interesting problem with gmail users

[Paul Tomblin]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
 REMOVE_DKIM_HEADERS = Yes

Well, that worked in the sense that their messages no longer have the
DKIM headers and the Authentication-Results header doesn't mention any
problems:

Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of
geeks-boun...@list.xcski.com designates 69.164.214.240 as permitted
sender) smtp.mail=geeks-boun...@list.xcski.com

However, those two users are still showing that banner Due to a
filter you created, this message was not sent to Spam. Edit Filters.
I guess it's just a Google thing now, not a Mailman problem.  But if
anybody on the list has any insight into that banner and how to get
rid of it, I'd like to hear it.

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[Mailman-Users] monthly notices sent to unsubscribed addresses

[Paul Scott]

Hi,

I own two MailMan 2.1.13 list serves.  After addresses are unsubscribed 
monthly list membership notices are still sent to these addresses.  I 
just got an email from someone who has been unsubscribed for several months.


TIA for any advice on fixing this.

Paul Scott


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[Mailman-Users] sendmail issues

[Paul Flower]

Apologies if this problem has been dealt with before but I am unable to find
an answer anywhere in the archives.

 

Problem is this:

 

I can create a new mailing list no problems and subscribe a handful of users
to it and send out email without any dramas but as soon as I import the
entire mailing list subscribers (152 members so not big by any stretch of
the imagination) nothing goes out. It all appears to work fine but no emails
go out. This is driving me nuts so any help would be greatly appreciated. 

 

Mailman smtp log - Jun 17 20:23:58 2010 (2599)
001d01cb0e17$ebfc2c80$c3f485...@com.au smtp to members for 152 recips,
completed in 14.395 seconds

 

Mailman post log - Jun 17 20:23:58 2010 (2599) post to members from
p...@amdaat.com.au, size=24613,
message-id=001d01cb0e17$ebfc2c80$c3f485...@com.au, success

 

Regards

Paul 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] sendmail issues

[Paul Flower]

Should have put this in the first post.

Jun 17 20:23:42 ns0 sendmail[23013]: o5HCNfne023011: 
to=|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post members, 
ctladdr=memb...@makos.com.au (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, 
mailer=prog, pri=53518, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

Regards
Paul

-Original Message-
From: mailman-users-bounces+paul=amdaat.com...@python.org 
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+paul=amdaat.com...@python.org] On Behalf Of Ralf 
Hildebrandt
Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2010 9:34 PM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] sendmail issues

* Paul Flower p...@amdaat.com.au:

 Mailman smtp log - Jun 17 20:23:58 2010 (2599)
 001d01cb0e17$ebfc2c80$c3f485...@com.au smtp to members for 152 recips,
 completed in 14.395 seconds

And in your MTA's logs?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] sendmail issues

[Paul Flower]

A big thank you to everyone who responded your assistance was greatly 
appreciated.

The problem has been resolved with the insertion of SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10 into 
mm_cfg.py

Once again thank you all.

Regards
Paul

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Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2010 10:20 PM
To: Paul Flower
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] sendmail issues

On 6/17/2010 7:13 AM, Paul Flower wrote:
 Should have put this in the first post.
 
 Jun 17 20:23:42 ns0 sendmail[23013]: o5HCNfne023011: 
 to=|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post members, 
 ctladdr=memb...@makos.com.au (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, 
 mailer=prog, pri=53518, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent


That is the delivery from sendmail to Mailman of the original incoming
post. It has nothing directly to do with the delivery of the outgoing
post to the 152 recipients.

What is in the sendmail log for the delivery from Mailman? Is Mailman
even delivering to this sendmail (is SMTPHOST set to other than
'localhost' in mm_cfg.py)?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Error running bin/mailmanctl restart

[Paul Kleeberg]

Mark has been helping me with this off-line but I thought I would send this to 
the list to see if there are others who are aware of the solution.  I have been 
using the following on a clean install of Mac Server 10.5.8 and upgrading 
Mailman 2.1.9 to 2.1.12:

./configure --prefix=/usr/share/mailman --with-cgi-gid=_www 
--with-mail-gid=mail --with-mailhost=domain.com --with-urlhost=domain.com 
--with-var-prefix=/var/mailman  --with-groupname=_mailman

and get the following error:

* Installation directory /var/mailman is not configured properly!
* Directory must be owned by group _mailman: /var/mailman 

/var/mailman is has the settings root:wheel while the files inside are 
root:_mailman.

Do I need to change the group of the /var/mailman directory for the install?  I 
know that change is probably not significant, but I an not sure enough of my 
knowledge to know.

Once I get this right, I plan on upgrading a 10.6.2 production server running 
2.1.12rc1 to 2.1.12.

Thanks!

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On Dec 16, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 Paul Kleeberg wrote:
 
 You are correct.  /var points to /private/var but /private/var/mailman
 is owned by root:wheel.  Should I chgrp to _mailman which is the group
 of all the files inside or use
 
 --with-groupname=wheel
 
 
 As long as the subordinate directories are all group _mailman and
 SETGID, the group of var-prefix itself doesn't matter.
 
 And you should configure with --with-groupname=_mailman to match the
 group of the existing install.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Error running bin/mailmanctl restart

[Paul Kleeberg]

I am ready to tear my hair out.

Thanks to Mark, I got mailman up and running except for one minor hitch.  In my 
log file I see an endless stream of:

12/17/09 11:56:49 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (org.list.mailmanctl) 
Throttling respawn: Will start in 10 seconds 
12/17/09 11:57:00 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (org.list.mailmanctl) 
Throttling respawn: Will start in 10 seconds 

Searching the archives, I found this (The thread starts at 
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg53952.html):


 The only difference between my org.list.mailmanctl.plist and Apple's is my 
 verb *start*, as opposed to Apple's *startf*. I'm baffled by *startf*, which 
 is not supported by mailman and does nothing, either in the CLI or in 
 org.list.mailmanctl.plist.

Further on down in the messages I read:

 I just caught that Bryan notes that he receives an endless succession of 
 those messages where as I see one and that's it.
 Comparing our launchd .plist files, I see a few differences:
 Bryan:
 keyOnDemand/key
 false/
 Me:
 keyOnDemand/key
 true/
 keyRunAtLoad/key
 true/

So I made that change to 
/System/Library/LaunchDaemons/org.list.mailmanctl.plist.

Everything appeared to work fine, web interface works, creating a list works 
but qrunner does not to appear to start on bootup.  it appears that I now have 
to manually run:

  sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start

to get mailman to start.  That concerns me.  I need to know how to get it to 
start on boot and how to restart itself if it dies.

When this is all done, I would be happy to summarize what I learned for 
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030530.

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On Dec 17, 2009, at 9:35 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 Paul Kleeberg wrote:
 
 
 and get the following error:
 
  * Installation directory /var/mailman is not configured properly!
  * Directory must be owned by group _mailman: /var/mailman 
 
 /var/mailman is has the settings root:wheel while the files inside are 
 root:_mailman.
 
 Do I need to change the group of the /var/mailman directory for the install? 
  I know that change is probably not significant, but I an not sure enough of 
 my knowledge to know.
 
 
 It is only significant to configure in your case, but configure whant
 the prefix and var_prefix directories to be SETGID and Mailman's group
 so that subordinates created by make install will be the same.
 
 When you originally asked about this off line, I thought what you had
 would be OK because it was a working installation, but apparently it
 only works for Apple :(
 
 You need to
 
 chgrp _mailman /var/mailman
 chmod g+s /var/mailman
 
 to make configure happy. The prefix directory (/usr/share/mailman in
 your case) needs to be the same.
 
 Once I get this right, I plan on upgrading a 10.6.2 production server 
 running 2.1.12rc1 to 2.1.12.
 
 
 FYI, 2.1.13rc1 is released and 2.1.13 final will be released next week
 barring the unexpected. It fixes several minor bugs in 2.1.12.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with an error

[Paul Kleeberg]

Now that I know what a nightmare it is for me to upgrade Apple's installation 
of Mailman on a 10.5.8 server, I am not eager to upgrade my 10.6.2 server to 
which this message applies.  I would like to apply the patch that Mark sent to 
me but I see from faq 4.40 that I will need to go through the same process of 
'./configure' and 'make install' as I would with an upgrade.  Are there any 
other options?

I would like to leave it alone, but denying a subscription request fails and i 
keep getting reminders each morning of the pending request.

Are there other options to deny the request?

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On Dec 13, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 Paul Kleeberg wrote:
 
 In attending to a subscription request to a sunsetted list (the request came 
 before the migration) via the web interface, I received an error.  Here is 
 the mailman error log (I have modified e-mail addresses and the domain name):
 
 Dec 13 08:35:55 2009 admin(81221): 
  
 admin(81221): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.12rc1 -] 
 admin(81221): [- Traceback --] 
 admin(81221): Traceback (most recent call last):
 admin(81221):   File /usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver, line 112, in 
 run_main
 admin(81221): main()
 admin(81221):   File 
 /BinaryCache/mailman/mailman-132~28/Root/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py,
  line 164, in main
 admin(81221):   File 
 /BinaryCache/mailman/mailman-132~28/Root/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py,
  line 773, in process_form
 admin(81221): AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'get'
 
 
 This is a bug in 2.1.12rc1. Upgrade to 2.1.12 or install the attached
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[Mailman-Users] Upgrading Mailman on Mac Server 10.5.8 - Stuck!

[Paul Kleeberg]

I am upgrading preinstalled versions of Mailman (first 2.1.9 = 2.1.12 on a 
clean install of server 10.5.8 as practice then I will do 2.1.12 rc1 = 2.1.12 
in production on server 10.6.2) and I am running into a bunch of minor issues.  
I have made it through most of them but this one has me stuck.  When I try and 
run mailmanctl, I get the error message:

Shutting down Mailman's master qrunner
PID unreadable in: /usr/share/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid
[Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/usr/share/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid'
Is qrunner even running?

and I find that the file is in another directory:

/private/var/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid

I have tried different things in the bin/config command, but nothing appears to 
work.   I have tried searching for a solution but have found nothing.  Can 
anyone help?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading Mailman on Mac Server 10.5.8 - Stuck!

[Paul Kleeberg]

Never mind.  Mark already answered my question.  I had forgotten I had asked 
it.  My apologies.

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On Dec 16, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Paul Kleeberg wrote:

 I am upgrading preinstalled versions of Mailman (first 2.1.9 = 2.1.12 on a 
 clean install of server 10.5.8 as practice then I will do 2.1.12 rc1 = 
 2.1.12 in production on server 10.6.2) and I am running into a bunch of minor 
 issues.  I have made it through most of them but this one has me stuck.  When 
 I try and run mailmanctl, I get the error message:
 
   Shutting down Mailman's master qrunner
   PID unreadable in: /usr/share/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid
   [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
 '/usr/share/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid'
   Is qrunner even running?
 
 and I find that the file is in another directory:
 
   /private/var/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid
 
 I have tried different things in the bin/config command, but nothing appears 
 to work.   I have tried searching for a solution but have found nothing.  Can 
 anyone help?
 
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[Mailman-Users] Distutils is not available or is incomplete for /usr/bin/python

[Paul Kleeberg]

I am upgrading a MacOSX 10.5.8 Server with Mailman 2.1.9 to 2.1.12.  In 
attempting to ./configure mailman, I encounter the following:

Distutils is not available or is incomplete for /usr/bin/python

Here is the version information I have on Python:

Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Feb  6 2009, 19:02:12) 
[GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5465)] on darwin

Suggestions on how to proceed?  I have marginal skills.

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[Mailman-Users] Error running bin/mailmanctl restart

[Paul Kleeberg]

In my migration of a MacOS 10.5.8 server from mailman 2.1.9 to 2.1.12, I 
discovered I had to install Python 2.5.4 and XCode 3.2.1 to get a compiler.  It 
compiled with the command:

/configure --prefix=/usr/share/mailman --with-cgi-gid=_www --with-mail-gid=mail 
--with-mailhost=domain.com --with-urlhost=domain.com

But now when I try and run  I get:

server:mailman-2.1.12 paul$ sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/mailmanctl restart
Restarting Mailman's master qrunner
PID unreadable in: /usr/share/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid
[Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/usr/share/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid'
Is qrunner even running?

I find the .pid file in:

/private/var/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid

Should I be adding something to the configure command?

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[Mailman-Users] Help with an error

[Paul Kleeberg]

Migrated mailman from one box to another with a slight name change on the 
virtual hosts.  Ran:

3) bin/withlist -l -r fix_url listname -u www.domain.tld to fix the web 
page URLs
4) 'bin/arch --wipe'
5) 'bin/genaliases' to create the alias file.

In attending to a subscription request to a sunsetted list (the request came 
before the migration) via the web interface, I received an error.  Here is the 
mailman error log (I have modified e-mail addresses and the domain name):

Dec 13 08:35:55 2009 admin(81221):  
admin(81221): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.12rc1 -] 
admin(81221): [- Traceback --] 
admin(81221): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(81221):   File /usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver, line 112, in run_main
admin(81221): main()
admin(81221):   File 
/BinaryCache/mailman/mailman-132~28/Root/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py,
 line 164, in main
admin(81221):   File 
/BinaryCache/mailman/mailman-132~28/Root/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py,
 line 773, in process_form
admin(81221): AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'get'
admin(81221): [- Python Information -] 
admin(81221): sys.version =   2.6.1 (r261:67515, Jul  7 2009, 23:51:51) 
[GCC 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5646)] 
admin(81221): sys.executable  =   /usr/bin/python 
admin(81221): sys.prefix  =   
/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6 
admin(81221): sys.exec_prefix =   
/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6 
admin(81221): sys.path=   
/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6 
admin(81221): sys.platform=   darwin 
admin(81221): [- Environment Variables -] 
admin(81221):   HTTP_REFERER: http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/admindb/cds-mneug 
admin(81221):   VERSIONER_PYTHON_PREFER_32_BIT: no 
admin(81221):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/2.2.13 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.13 
OpenSSL/0.9.8k PHP/5.3.0 
admin(81221):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admindb 
admin(81221):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: addressApache/2.2.13 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.13 
OpenSSL/0.9.8k PHP/5.3.0 Server at www.mydomain.com Port 80/address
admin(81221): 
admin(81221):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST 
admin(81221):   PATH_INFO: /cds-mneug 
admin(81221):   HTTP_ORIGIN: http://www.mydomain.com 
admin(81221):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 
admin(81221):   QUERY_STRING:  
admin(81221):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 68 
admin(81221):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 
10_6_2; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.21.8 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.4 
Safari/531.21.10 
admin(81221):   HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive 
admin(81221):   HTTP_COOKIE: 
cds-mneug+admin=28020069abfb244b73280034333533356532663261346266343665306538363832656532373233366562336164363434613735;
 
himss-cpoe+admin=280200693ffb244b73280062393066626336636632356230643436303966616139343438303762323736373235643530616237;
 __utma=235507584.16807.1171413544.1260036906.1260212869.32; 
__utmz=235507584.1258473236.29.5.utmcsr=myhq.com|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/
 
admin(81221):   SERVER_NAME: www.mydomain.com 
admin(81221):   REMOTE_ADDR: 192.168.1.7 
admin(81221):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /Library/WebServer/mydomain/cds-mneug 
admin(81221):   SERVER_PORT: 80 
admin(81221):   SERVER_ADDR: 192.168.1.1 
admin(81221):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /Library/WebServer/mydomain 
admin(81221):   HTTP_X_COLLABORATION_WIKIS: Enabled 
admin(81221):   PYTHONPATH: /usr/share/mailman 
admin(81221):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/share/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb 
admin(81221):   SERVER_ADMIN: ad...@mydomain.com 
admin(81221):   SCRIPT_URI: http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/admindb/cds-mneug 
admin(81221):   HTTP_HOST: www.mydomain.com 
admin(81221):   SCRIPT_URL: /mailman/admindb/cds-mneug 
admin(81221):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admindb/cds-mneug 
admin(81221):   HTTP_ACCEPT: 
application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5
 
admin(81221):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 
admin(81221):   REMOTE_PORT: 54251 
admin(81221):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us 
admin(81221):   HTTP_X_COLLABORATION_BLOGS: Enabled 
admin(81221):   __CF_USER_TEXT_ENCODING: 0x46:0:0 
admin(81221):   VERSIONER_PYTHON_VERSION: 2.6 
admin(81221):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded 
admin(81221):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate 

I am wondering, was this error due to the migration and I do not need to do 
anything, or is there something else I need to do?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Creating aliases for moved lists

[Paul]

 I have moved several lists to a new box with virtual domains.  I have
 moved /archives and /lists, used with_list and fix_url but I remembered
 something about aliases and looked and saw ~/mailman/data/aliases does not
 contain the moved lists.  Is that a manual build, a command I should run,
 or is there something else I can do to merge the two files?

What I did was to copy/paste the entries in /etc/mailman/aliases and
manually input them to /etc/postfix/virtual.  File location may vary
depending on Linux and MTA version.  It worked well for me anyhow.

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[Mailman-Users] Creating aliases for moved lists

[Paul Kleeberg]

I have moved several lists to a new box with virtual domains.  I have moved 
/archives and /lists, used with_list and fix_url but I remembered something 
about aliases and looked and saw ~/mailman/data/aliases does not contain the 
moved lists.  Is that a manual build, a command I should run, or is there 
something else I can do to merge the two files?

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[Mailman-Users] Moving lists on one box with several virtual hosts

[Paul Kleeberg]

I have several Mailman lists on one box that has several virtual sites.  I need 
to move them to a new box and I want to change the web address for users to 
manage their addresses from virtual1.tld to www.virtual1.tld.  Looking at both 
config_list and with_list, I do not see a way to do that.  I see how I may 
assign a domain for the list, but not one that assigns a domain for the web 
address to the list.

I would not think I needed to do this but whenever I try and access the list 
page with virtual1.tld it succeeds and it fails with www.virtual1.tld.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple instances of Mailman on FreeBSD

[Paul Schmehl]

--On Wednesday, August 12, 2009 13:55:18 -0500 Jeffrey Goldberg 
jeff...@goldmark.org wrote:




I'm posting this to both the mailman-users list and the freebsd-ports
list.  I realize that not all follow-up will make it to both lists.

I would like to set up multiple instances of Mailman on a FreeBSD 7-
STABLE system with using Postfix.  Looking at the ports Makefile, it
appears that if I set MM_DIR=mailman/vhosts/domain-for-this-instance
everything should work file (plus add FORCE_PACKAGE_REGISTER allow
this second instance to be installed.)

But when I do

  % cd /usr/ports/mail/mailman
  % sudo make -DMM_DIR=mailman/vhosts/lists.wilson-pta.org -
DFORCE_PKG_REGISTER install

It just installs in the default location, /usr/local/mailman

And this paradoxical report of various settings

$ sudo make MM_DIR=mailman/vhosts/lists.wilson-pta.org -


This could be a really stupid question (because I've never tried to do what 
you're doing), but shouldn't the above line be:


$ sudo make MM_DIR=/mailman/vhosts/lists.wilson-pta.org

In other words, don't you have to provide the *absolute* patch to the install 
location?


In addition, I would think you would need to change PREFIX as well for the port 
to install where you want it to.


So, ISTM, you should be doing this:

$ sudo make PREFIX=/usr/local/mailman/vhost/lists.wilson-pta.org 
-DFORCE_PKG_REGISTER install


rather than trying to set MM_DIR.  Note you may *also* have to set MM_DIR, but 
I'm almost certain you need to set PREFIX if you want the port to install there 
instead of /usr/local/mailman.


The problem is, I'm not exactly sure *where* you want mailman to install, so 
it's hard to be correct without more information.


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[Mailman-Users] Setting the Administrator's interface language to be different to the default language of the subscribers?

[Paul Hardy]

I have spent a day looking through the Mailman documentation and searching
the archives of this mailing list.

I am administrating a list for a group of blind users who speak Japanese. A
new user's first encounter with the system must be in Japanese. Therefore,
the default_language is set to Japanese. This means the Adminstrator's
interface is also in Japanese. This is fine for the most part. However, it
needs to be in English from time to time. When it is in English, new users
will see an English-language welcome email. How can I force all new users to
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Googlegroups vs mailman

[Paul]

mailman rocks if you know linux and run your own server.  With anything
else, you are at their mercy.


On Thu, March 5, 2009 10:09 am, Kim Mosley wrote:
 I'd like to hear some opinions of using mailman vs. using GoogleGroups for
 a
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[Mailman-Users] Turn off Display of Additional Languages

[Paul E Virgo - ISG]

Hello,

Was wondering if there is a way to turn off the display of additional 
language choices within Mailman?

Is this something that can be done via mm_cfg.py? Thanks.

PEV

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[Mailman-Users] Upgrading rpm mailman from mailman source

[Paul]

I tried yesterday unsuccessfully from upgrade mailman-2.1.5.1-34.rhel4.6
on Centos 4 to the latest 2.1.11 from sourceforge.

When I ran configure it said I needed to install Python from source or
install the Python-devel package, so I installed the python-devel.

# yum -y install python-devel

Then configure said my mailman package path was not in
/usr/local/mailman, which it is not, it is in /usr/lib/mailman.

So, within the unpackaged mailman 2.1.11 dir, I did a global replace to
put my path in there:

# perl -pi -e 's/usr\/local\/mailman/usr\/lib\/mailman/g' `find ./ -type f`

Then configure ran successfully, then ran make, then make install. 
All seemed to go well.  I did check_perms and fixed permissions. started
up mailman service mailman start, and all seemed to be running fine, but
now none of my lists showed lists_lists.  My mm_cfg.py was untouched. 
Being in a hurry because I didn't alert any of the lists members of
downtime, I freaked out and restored my system.  Luckily I just did a full
backup of my LVM, so booted up via live CD and restored the LVM from the
dump file and was back online.

Is there anything special to do when updating from source?  I've usually
done it from RPM packages.  Any pointers?  Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives

[Paul]

It helps to disallow but the site is allowing.  So possible some engines
will bot the whole site:

http://www.mail-archive.com/robots.txt


On Mon, September 8, 2008 8:25 am, David Beaumont wrote:
 We have had a lot of spams sent directly to our list members (i.e. not
 sent
 via mailman).  All of them have subject headings taken from list emails
 already sent out genuinely via mailman.  Almost all have our specific list
 prefix (but interesting not every one).

 Has anyone else had this recently (started 3rd Sept approx and the
 spammers
 listed from address has 'kiev' in it)?

 I can only think of 2 ways this has happened

 1) Our public archives have been harvested by a spammer.  This would
 account
 for the subject headings being used.  Email addresses are displayed in the
 archives as, literally, 'name at domain.com' which is not immediately
 harvestable but wouldn't take much code to convert ' at ' to '@'. How do
 we
 make this more secure? I notice this list's archives are not standard
 mailman format!

 2) One of our members PCs has been attacked and the subjects and email
 addresses taken from there.  All our emails are delivered with the reply
 to
 address being the list but the originators email showing.  This would
 account for a small number of the spams not having our list prefix in the
 subject heading (they would not have the prefix if stored in the sent box
 of
 the person that created the genuine message).  However I would expect at
 least some members to report spam with entirely non list subjects from the
 same spammer.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] virtual domains

[Paul]

On Tue, May 20, 2008 1:02 pm, Melinda Gilmore wrote:
 I know this has been covered alot and I do see alot of talk in the
 archives, but I am new to the whole, mailman/postfix/apache/redhat
 world and the instructions are not clear to me because of that.  Is
 there anyone out there that has the actually settings and what files
 to change in postfix, apache, mta, and whatever to get virtual
 domains to work.  Am I to understand that if I had a list called
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (our domain) and I want a virtual
 domain to go with it called [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can get this to work?


I've actually done some testing with the virtual ability.  If the domain
is set up as a virtual domain in postfix, then one needs to also have all
of mailmans aliasing also in postfix aliasing, then it will work.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] clarification on virtual domains

[Paul]

On Wed, May 7, 2008 5:07 am, bijayant kumar wrote:
 Hi list,

 I have postfix configure for virtual domain. Whenever
 i add a new list for a new domain, it takes the
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a email address for
 newly created list and all the aliases being generated
 on the basis of previousdomain.com. When i change the
 default host this list prefers setting from the
 interface, then mails are started to bounce saying
 user unknown in virtual mailbox table. I will explain
 my problem with the example...
 I have three virtual domain dom1.com,
 dom2.com,dom3.com
 in mm_cfg.py i have
 POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['dom1.com']
 add_virtualhost('lists.bijayant.com', 'dom1.com')

 It works fine. lists created takes the address
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 But when i add a new list say list2 like

 POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS =
 ['dom1.com','dom2.com']
 add_virtualhost('lists.bijayant.com', 'dom1.com')
 add_virtualhost('lists.bijayant.com', 'dom2.com')

Try setting your new domain in postfix in this setting:

mydestination = newdomain.com

Then it will use the mailman aliases or you will need to manual set all
aliasing in the postfix aliasing.





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Re: [Mailman-Users] corporate spam filter operation

[Paul]

How about just using http://www.spamhaus.org/?  Configure it in your MTA,
and it'll tell the sender if he's been rejected.  There are others, but
that one seems to be the best without false positives.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Ongoing delivery issues - First Yahoo, now AOL

[Paul]

On Sun, March 9, 2008 10:12 am, Rick Harris wrote:
 I set personalize to yes several weeks ago hoping that it would resolve my
 delivery issues to Yahoo.  After a posting sent yesterday morning at 5:30
 am
 arrived at my local ISP address today at 4:25am (22 hour delay counting
 daylight savings time change), I am going to try to be more insistent with
 my hosting company.  Moving hosts is a pain, but this is bothering me
 enough
 to consider it.

Have you considered hosting yourself?  Some ISP's actually do let
customers run servers and have fixed IP address.  Speakeasy.net is one of
them.  I've been using them for 7 years now, and consider them the best of
the best.

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[Mailman-Users] Having the Web interface show the same lists with or without the www. prefix

[Paul Kleeberg]

Here is my question:  Is there anything I can do so that the mailman  
web interface will show the same lists whether or not  the www.  
prefix appears?

Background:  Migrated and upgraded a from MacOSX Server 10.4 to 10.5  
which included an upgrade of Mailman to 2.1.9.  Everything functioned  
well.  I have 2 virtual domains and the lists on the two domains have  
remained distinct and functioning.  Mailman's web interface responded  
to www.domain1.com and domain1.com with one set of mailing lists and 
www.domain2.com 
  and domain2.com as the other site.  Now that I have upgraded to  
Apache 2.2. it appears that it the 2 web pages with the lists will  
only respond to the web pages if the www. is not included.  Is there  
anything I can do so that the web interface for each sets of lists  
will work with or without the www. prefix?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Having the Web interface show the same lists with or without the www. prefix

[Paul Kleeberg]

Raquel,

That is a good question.  I tried a server alias but that did not seem  
to work with Apache 2.2 (I think it did with 1.3 but who knows! my  
memory ain't what is used to be).  All other web pages would work  
except for the Mailman lists.

However, after having a Java Stout (my favorite mid-day beverage) and  
a slice of pizza (stimulated the dormant coding neurons in my brain) I  
was struck by the obvious:

   Redirecting www.domain.com/mailman/ to domain.com/mailman/

All is well.  Thanks for the input!

Paul
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On Jan 26, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Raquel wrote:

 On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:42:29 -0600
 Paul Kleeberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Here is my question:  Is there anything I can do so that the
 mailman web interface will show the same lists whether or not  the
 www. prefix appears?

 Background:  Migrated and upgraded a from MacOSX Server 10.4 to
 10.5 which included an upgrade of Mailman to 2.1.9.  Everything
 functioned well.  I have 2 virtual domains and the lists on the two
 domains have remained distinct and functioning.  Mailman's web
 interface responded to www.domain1.com and domain1.com with one set
 of mailing lists and www.domain2.com and domain2.com as the other
 site.  Now that I have upgraded to Apache 2.2. it appears that it
 the 2 web pages with the lists will only respond to the web pages
 if the www. is not included.  Is there anything I can do so that
 the web interface for each sets of lists will work with or without
 the www. prefix? --
 Paul Kleeberg

 This seems to be more of a question for the Apache list, however,
 what does your virtual host directive look like?

 Mine ... which works:

 VirtualHost 99.999.999.999:80
  ServerName www.domain.com
  ServerAlias domain.com

 -- 
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[Mailman-Users] Problem regurding job submission through moab access potral

[Abhra Paul]

When I am submitting any job through Moab Access Potral, then after a few 
second job is killed. I have checked the error.log file. The messages was like 
this :

 forrtl: severe (64): input conversion error, unit -5, file Internal Formatted 
Read
Image  PCRoutineLineSource  
   
dirac.x00A95E6E  Unknown   Unknown  Unknown
dirac.x00A9506A  Unknown   Unknown  Unknown
dirac.x00A4DA86  Unknown   Unknown  Unknown
dirac.x00A0275E  Unknown   Unknown  Unknown
dirac.x00A01D7A  Unknown   Unknown  Unknown
dirac.x00A1D89E  Unknown   Unknown  Unknown
dirac.x00A1BDEB  Unknown   Unknown  Unknown
dirac.x005B1EFE  Unknown   Unknown  Unknown
dirac.x005B156D  Unknown   Unknown  Unknown
dirac.x005A0BFB  Unknown   Unknown  Unknown
dirac.x00457C8F  Unknown   Unknown  Unknown
dirac.x004CCC48  Unknown   Unknown  Unknown
dirac.x004CCBE8  Unknown   Unknown  Unknown
dirac.x0095A801  Unknown   Unknown  Unknown
libc.so.6  0032A541C3FB  Unknown   Unknown  Unknown
dirac.x0040A36A  Unknown   Unknown  Unknown
[node7.iacs.res.in:3, pid: 23976] Fatal Error: [node10.iacs.res.in:12, pid: 
17654] Fatal Error: [node8.iacs.res.in:4, pid: 22748] Fatal Error: Unexpected 
disconnect received from [node7.iacs.res.in:0] at line 2079 in file vapiutil.c
[node9.iacs.res.in:8, pid: 20825] Fatal Error: [node10.iacs.res.in:13, pid: 
17637] Fatal Error: [node10.iacs.res.in:14, pid: 17670] Fatal Error: Unexpected 
disconnect received from [node7.iacs.res.in:0] at line 2079 in file vapiutil.c
[node9.iacs.res.in:10, pid: 20807] Fatal Error: Unexpected disconnect received 
from [node7.iacs.res.in:0] at line 2079 in file vapiutil.c
[node9.iacs.res.in:11, pid: 20811] Fatal Error: Unexpected disconnect received 
from [node7.iacs.res.in:0] at line 2079 in file vapiutil.c
[node8.iacs.res.in:6, pid: 22741] Fatal Error: Unexpected disconnect received 
from [node7.iacs.res.in:0] at line 2079 in file vapiutil.c
Unexpected disconnect received from [node7.iacs.res.in:0] at line 2079 in file 
vapiutil.c
[node8.iacs.res.in:5, pid: 22742] Fatal Error: [node9.iacs.res.in:9, pid: 
20842] Fatal Error: [node10.iacs.res.in:15, pid: 17632] Fatal Error: Unexpected 
disconnect received from [node7.iacs.res.in:0] at line 2079 in file vapiutil.c
[node7.iacs.res.in:1, pid: 23985] Fatal Error: Unexpected disconnect received 
from [node7.iacs.res.in:0] at line 2079 in file vapiutil.c
Unexpected disconnect received from [node7.iacs.res.in:0] at line 2079 in file 
vapiutil.c
[node7.iacs.res.in:2, pid: 23996] Fatal Error: Unexpected disconnect received 
from [node7.iacs.res.in:0] at line 2079 in file vapiutil.c
Unexpected disconnect received from [node7.iacs.res.in:0] at line 2079 in file 
vapiutil.c
[node8.iacs.res.in:7, pid: 22745] Fatal Error: Unexpected disconnect received 
from [node7.iacs.res.in:0] at line 2079 in file vapiutil.c
Unexpected disconnect received from [node7.iacs.res.in:0] at line 2079 in file 
vapiutil.c
Unexpected disconnect received from [node7.iacs.res.in:0] at line 2079 in file 
vapiutil.c
Unexpected disconnect received from [node7.iacs.res.in:0] at line 2079 in file 
vapiutil.c
bash: line 1: 17637 Terminated  /usr/bin/env MPIRUN_MPD=0 
MPIRUN_HOST=node7.iacs.res.in MPIRUN_PORT=35265 
MPIRUN_PROCESSES='node7.iacs.res.in:node7.iacs.res.in:node7.iacs.res.in:node7.iacs.res.in:node8.iacs.res.in:node8.iacs.res.in:node8.iacs.res.in:node8.iacs.res.in:node9.iacs.res.in:node9.iacs.res.in:node9.iacs.res.in:node9.iacs.res.in:node10.iacs.res.in:node10.iacs.res.in:node10.iacs.res.in:node10.iacs.res.in:'
 MPIRUN_RANK=13 MPIRUN_NPROCS=16 MPIRUN_ID=23901 /home/pcpkp/dummy/dirac.x
---
Please tell me how I solve this problem. Actually I am new in Cluster area , 
that is why I am facing much more problem. Plz help me.

  
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[Mailman-Users] aliasing for another domain

[Paul]

I have been hosting a some mailman list for years now, and now we are
looking into getting the list from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Here are some specifics:
The new domain already has a mail server and hosting web pages.

My idea is like like this.  I've tested it and it seems to work fine, but
am wondering if there is a more correct way.

* Make an mx record at newdomain.com, such as list.newdomain.com, and
give the new mx record the mydomain IP address.

* Add list.newdomain.com in my mx virtual domain table.

* Add all mailman's aliases in my mx's virtual table.

* Change the Host name this list prefers for email line in the general
options page to list.newdomain.com.

My questions are:

Is there an easier way to alias all of mailman's aliases, such as for
admin, bounces, confirm, join, leave, owner, request, subscribe,
unsubscribe?

Also, the web interface will still be at mydomain.com, which should not
be a problem, I guess a cname could be done for list.newdomain.com, but
then I don't want to have that much control over that subdomain, just mx
for it.

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[Mailman-Users] Shunting unknown encoding question

[Paul Key]

MM 2.1.3
Solaris 9

I have had an email shunted and am not sure why - any ideas why the encoding is 
unknown?

Dec 11 11:43:42 2007 (24788) Uncaught runner exception: unknown encoding: 
unknown
Dec 11 11:43:42 2007 (24788) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 110, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 160, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py, line 130, in 
_dispose
more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py, line 153, in 
_dopipeline
sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py, line 75, in process
prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py, line 262, in 
prefix_subject
h.append(s, c)
  File /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py, line 285, in append
s = s.encode(outcodec, errors)
LookupError: unknown encoding: unknown

Dec 11 11:43:42 2007 (24788) SHUNTING: 
1197373305.4631159+54681260563e1d1577b352329843c2fa738ba81


Thanks

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[Mailman-Users] Archives not showing complete email message

[Paul Key]

Hi

I am also getting the following where the body of an email should be in 
the list archives:

Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-- next part 
--
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 4631 bytes
Desc: not available
Url : 
http://server-name/mailman/private/sgul-students/attachments/20071210/bb270a69/attachment.jpg
 
http://mailman.sghms.ac.uk/mailman/private/sgul-students/attachments/20071210/bb270a69/attachment.jpg

The URL actually works and links to a small corporate JPEG conatined in 
the email.

I have seen the thread Mailman and UTF8 in the mailman-users archive 
but couldn't fathom an answer and not sure about applying the patch.

Is there anyway of getting list messages such as this to appear readable 
in the list archives?

Thanks

paul

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[Mailman-Users] How to change the creation of a new list email from the through-the-web interface?

[Williams, Paul]

We are planning to implement spam blocking as I found in some
postings on the net.
 
Presenty, when we create a new list it sends an email of the form
 
The mailing list `xyz' has been created via the through-the-web
interface.  In order to complete the activation of this mailing list,
the
proper /etc/aliases (or equivalent) file must be updated.  The program
`newaliases' may also have to be run.
 
Here are the entries for the /etc/aliases file:
 
xyz:  |/opt/mailman/mail/mailman post xyz
xyz-admin:|/opt/mailman/mail/mailman admin xyz
xyz-bounces:  |/opt/mailman/mail/mailman bounces xyz
xyz-confirm:  |/opt/mailman/mail/mailman confirm xyz
xyz-join: |/opt/mailman/mail/mailman join xyz
xyz-leave:|/opt/mailman/mail/mailman leave xyz
xyz-owner:|/opt/mailman/mail/mailman owner xyz
xyz-request:  |/opt/mailman/mail/mailman request xyz
xyz-subscribe:|/opt/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe xyz
xyz-unsubscribe:  |/opt/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe xyz
 

However, if we are implementing spam processing (I I understand things 
properly) then we really need the above lines created to be
 
xyz:  |/usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc
post xyz
xyz-admin:|/usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc
admin xyz
xyz-bounces:  |/usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc
bounces xyz
xyz-confirm:  |/usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc
confirm xyz
xyz-join: |/usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc
join xyz
xyz-leave:|/usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc
leave xyz
xyz-owner:|/usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc
owner xyz
xyz-request:  |/usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc
request xyz
xyz-subscribe:|/usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc
subscribe xyz
xyz-unsubscribe:  |/usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc
unsubscribe xyz
 
Otherwise it will be necessary to process the aliases entries in some
way,
which I would like to avoid. Can that be automated so it generates the 
proper lines in the email output?  
 
Thanks,
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] gzipped archive files.

[Williams, Paul]

On our system, we do a monthly rotation of archives, and 
keep about 12 months of the gzipped files in the *.mbox directories.
Then periodically we clean up the archives when we are running
out of space and truncate the archives which can be downloaded,
to either 6 or 12 months using the arch --wipe mailman feature.

However, we still are running out of space on our mailman server
and I was looking around where I might gain some space.
I noticed that we are gzipping the archive files, nightly
with

27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /opt/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip

but it also leaves a copy of the uncompressed archives.

Is this the proper behavior?
Is it possible to only have the gzipped archives and not
the text files?

If I comment out the above nightly_gzip line will it
cause a problem?


Thanks,

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[Mailman-Users] Allowing attachments

[Paul Hepp]

All,
What is the correct way to set a Mailman list to allow attachments. I  
would like to only allow .pdf's. My attemps make me believe I am  
missing a setting.
Thanks,
Paul

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[Mailman-Users] Subscribing by email?

[Paul Key]

Mailman 2.1.3
Solaris 9

Hi

I am looking to get users to subscribe and unsubscribe from certain 
lists using email.  I am getting them to emal 
listname[EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the message body. This 
works fine with an empty subject field (they get one confirmation email 
as expected) but if they put a subject on the subscription request email 
they receive two subscription confirmation emails from mailman in reply. 
Anyone no why this happens?  They would like to put something in the 
subject.

Also does mailman 2.1.3 support the sending of a blank email to 
listname[EMAIL PROTECTED] ? (or some similar address) instead of 
the subscribe email via request?

Thanks

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[Mailman-Users] Changing the received time on an outgoing authorized email message?

[Paul Key]

When authorizing a moderated list posting is it possible to change the 
date/time on the outgoing authorized list message to the time it was 
approved instead of the message showing the time it was first received 
by mailman?

Thanks

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[Mailman-Users] download email addresses

[Paul Wilson]

Anyone know how to download all the users in a list to a CSV file or any kind 
of file?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Error - can't open aliases.db

[Paul]

To find your alias files and ownerships:

ls -lhd `find / -name aliases`


On Fri, July 13, 2007 9:08 am, Paul wrote:
 That is strange that your /etc/aliases is owned by mailman.  Dunno what is
 going on there.  Something looks awry there.

 The soft link I made to the target:

 lrwxrwxrwx  1 root mailman   29 Jul 12 00:15 /etc/mailman/aliases -
 /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases


 On Fri, July 13, 2007 6:48 am, Hydro John wrote:

 Sorry, I set this up so long ago, I don't remember the basic config
 info...
 but I don't see any links? And the aliases file in /etc/aliases is
 definitely different from /etc/mailman/aliases... not to mention the
 /etc/aliases.db file being empty:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc]# ls -la ali*
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1512 Mar 23 09:54 aliases
 -rw-r--r-- 1 rootroot2914 Mar 23 09:53 aliases.bak
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman0 Jul  1 18:19 aliases.db
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc]# ls -la /etc/mailman/ali*
 -rw-rw 1 rootmailman  4218 May 15 14:50 /etc/mailman/aliases
 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 12288 May 15 14:50 /etc/mailman/aliases.db

 Would you mind providing just a bit more info?? Thanks,
 j




 Paul-239 wrote:
 Check to see if the soft links are there.  I just went through the
 rmlist
 command yesterday and gave up and did it manually.  I should have paid
 more attention to the obvious errors.  I found that my legacy soft
 links
 were not in /etc/mailmain.  I've migrated my data so many times through
 different OS's, that I messed that up.  I think it would work now if I
 had
 to.
 On Thu, July 12, 2007 10:34 pm, Hydro John wrote:
 I get the following error, but I've run check_perms -f and I have no
 errors---
 I recall this happening once before, but I cannot recall what the
 problem
 was. Any suggestions???
 -john
 Jul 13 03:05:25 niflheim postfix/smtpd[20268]: fatal: open database
 /etc/aliases.db: Bad file descriptor
 Jul 13 03:05:26 niflheim postfix/master[12748]: warning: process
 /usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 20268 exit status 1
 Jul 13 03:05:26 niflheim postfix/master[12748]: warning:
 /usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Error - can't open aliases.db

[Paul]

That is strange that your /etc/aliases is owned by mailman.  Dunno what is
going on there.  Something looks awry there.

The soft link I made to the target:

lrwxrwxrwx  1 root mailman   29 Jul 12 00:15 /etc/mailman/aliases -
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases


On Fri, July 13, 2007 6:48 am, Hydro John wrote:

 Sorry, I set this up so long ago, I don't remember the basic config info...
 but I don't see any links? And the aliases file in /etc/aliases is
definitely different from /etc/mailman/aliases... not to mention the
/etc/aliases.db file being empty:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc]# ls -la ali*
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1512 Mar 23 09:54 aliases
 -rw-r--r-- 1 rootroot2914 Mar 23 09:53 aliases.bak
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman0 Jul  1 18:19 aliases.db
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc]# ls -la /etc/mailman/ali*
 -rw-rw 1 rootmailman  4218 May 15 14:50 /etc/mailman/aliases
-rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 12288 May 15 14:50 /etc/mailman/aliases.db

 Would you mind providing just a bit more info?? Thanks,
 j




 Paul-239 wrote:
 Check to see if the soft links are there.  I just went through the rmlist
 command yesterday and gave up and did it manually.  I should have paid
more attention to the obvious errors.  I found that my legacy soft
links
 were not in /etc/mailmain.  I've migrated my data so many times through
different OS's, that I messed that up.  I think it would work now if I
had
 to.
 On Thu, July 12, 2007 10:34 pm, Hydro John wrote:
 I get the following error, but I've run check_perms -f and I have no
 errors---
 I recall this happening once before, but I cannot recall what the
 problem
 was. Any suggestions???
 -john
 Jul 13 03:05:25 niflheim postfix/smtpd[20268]: fatal: open database
 /etc/aliases.db: Bad file descriptor
 Jul 13 03:05:26 niflheim postfix/master[12748]: warning: process
 /usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 20268 exit status 1
 Jul 13 03:05:26 niflheim postfix/master[12748]: warning:
 /usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
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[Mailman-Users] user administration

[Paul Wilson]

Anyone know how I can edit ALL the users in a given list, to change one 
option for all or most of the users at one time? Without using shell.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Error - can't open aliases.db

[Paul]

Check to see if the soft links are there.  I just went through the rmlist
command yesterday and gave up and did it manually.  I should have paid
more attention to the obvious errors.  I found that my legacy soft links
were not in /etc/mailmain.  I've migrated my data so many times through
different OS's, that I messed that up.  I think it would work now if I had
to.


On Thu, July 12, 2007 10:34 pm, Hydro John wrote:

 I get the following error, but I've run check_perms -f and I have no
errors---

 I recall this happening once before, but I cannot recall what the
problem
 was. Any suggestions???

 -john


 Jul 13 03:05:25 niflheim postfix/smtpd[20268]: fatal: open database
/etc/aliases.db: Bad file descriptor
 Jul 13 03:05:26 niflheim postfix/master[12748]: warning: process
/usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 20268 exit status 1
 Jul 13 03:05:26 niflheim postfix/master[12748]: warning:
 /usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling

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[Mailman-Users] Too many moderator requests

[Paul Kleeberg MD Ramsey]

I have a moderator who has not dealt with moderator requests for so  
long that the web page to manage them times out when it attempts to  
load.  We wish do delete all the pending messages.  How do I proceed?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] script

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Mark Sapiro wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can someone help, i need a script to check all user accounts last login
 against dormancy period and be able to delete users who haven't updated
 their in 30 days detail then send an email to them.
 
 
 First of all, you can't do it. Mailman doesn't keep track of a list
 member's log-ins to visit archives, roster or options page, so 'last
 log-in' information isn't available.
 
 Second, I don't think it would be a good idea. Once I have set my
 options appropriately, I may just read the posts that are delivered to
 me and not have occasion to ever log in, yet very much desire to
 remain on the list.

Not to mention the addresses I subscribe to lists (set no-mail) just so 
I can occasionally post to those lists when my main mail is not working. 
  Those addresses (specifically, my gmail account) never visit the web 
site, almost never post to the list, etc.  But if you were to 
unsubscribe it, I'd be pretty upset.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Troubles with mailman+postfix

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Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
 Andrea S. Gozzi writes:
 
   'relay_domains = lists.vp44.net' fixed it.
 
 Why is this a right way to do it?  I would think that if it's all the
 same host you would want something to say I'll handle it, which is
 what mydestination does for real domains, and virtual_alias_domains
 does for virtual aliases.
 
 If this a better way, maybe we should write up a FAQ.

It's not a better way.  It's a kluge that happens to work for that one case.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Troubles with mailman+postfix

[Paul Tomblin]

Andrea S. Gozzi wrote:
 I'm currently running Postfix with SQL backend for virtual domains.
 One of the domain owners wants to set up a mailing list and I decided to
 go with Mailman (great web administration).
 
 I installed Mailman and configured it (along with Postfix) following the
 instructions here:
 http://workaround.org/moin/PostfixTutorialContributions and everything
 seems to work. I can create/delete/manage mailing lists but now postfix
 is unable to delivery any message.
 
 Postfix is 'mail.vp44.net' and I added an A record for
 'lists.vp44.net' .
 This came out in mail.warn:
 
 
 Apr 18 16:44:46 bnix postfix/smtp[9141]: warning: host
 lists.vp44.net[212.68.198.73]:25 greeted me with my own hostname
 mail.vp44.net
 Apr 18 16:44:46 bnix postfix/smtp[9141]: warning: host
 lists.vp44.net[212.68.198.73]:25 replied to HELO/EHLO with my own
 hostname mail.vp44.net
 

You need to add lists.vp44.net to virtual_alias_domains (if you're using 
virtual alias domains) or to mydestination.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] message archiving problem

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Mark Sapiro wrote:
 
 What happens if you do
 
   bin/withlist -i
 
 and then at the Python () prompts type
 
 import email
 email.__version__
 
 It should print 2.5.8 for Mailman 2.1.9. (Type a control-D to a 
 prompt to quit.)

On my Debian Stable (aka etch) system, it does print out 2.5.8.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Last Email

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Matt Zimmerman wrote:
 Mailman-users,
 
 I have about 1200 lists in mailman 2.1.8. I looking to try and clean these
 lists up. Has anybody written any scripts to look through the archives and
 find out when the last email was sent to each list.
 

If I were looking for lists that haven't been posted to for a while, I'd 
use the modified time on the mbox files:

cd /var/lib/mailman/archives/private
find . -type f -name \*.mbox -mtime +180 -print


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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML causing list-wide bounce?

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Brad Knowles wrote:
 At 5:49 PM -0400 4/13/07, Paul Tomblin wrote:
 
  The email message causing the issue
  -- .html format http://www.soarol.com/tmp/EmailList-HTMLerror-2.html

  First comment - why the hell is he sending javascript in an email 
 message?
  That plus the Paypal thing probably screams scammer to most mail
  filters.  Because it's happening to everybody, I'm betting it's an
  outgoing mail filter.
 
 If so, then Michael would be well advised to look at the mail filtering 
 process that is being used on the mail system and the Mailman server.  
 For obvious performance reasons, you want to do all mail filtering on 
 the inbound leg only, and avoid any further filtering on the outbound leg.

I found that the postfix /etc/postfix/access file allows you to specify 
domains that can't send you email (for instance, I reject anything from 
*.com.cn), but it also prevents you from sending email to those domains.
So it's possible that a locally created email would not trigger any 
incoming mail filter but would trigger those same filters on the outbound.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML causing list-wide bounce?

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 The email message causing the issue
 -- .html format http://www.soarol.com/tmp/EmailList-HTMLerror-2.html

First comment - why the hell is he sending javascript in an email message?
That plus the Paypal thing probably screams scammer to most mail
filters.  Because it's happening to everybody, I'm betting it's an
outgoing mail filter.

 SMTP Log is fine
 -
 Apr 13 12:10:07 2007 (2020)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 smtp to elmont704p-sthtml for 3 recips, completed in 0.075 seconds
 -

Where is the smtp log for the incoming bounces?  Better yet, replace the
-bounces alias with a real mail address and have a look at the bounce
message.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Blocked from moderating the list

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Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 Forbidden
 You don't have permission to access /mailman/admindb/listname.com on this 
 server.

Did you really put listname.com in the URL, or did your browser spaz out
and put it the .com in?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] confirmation problems

[Paul Tomblin]

Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
 Bill Bedford writes:

   I presume this is a mailer (Outlook?) problem, but can anyone suggest a 
   work around?
 
 This is almost certainly a Postfix problem.  The feature that
 recognizes additional data in the mailbox name (ie, the
 +9cb3f11e... confirmation code) is apparently turned off.
 
To expand on that, in /etc/postfix/main.cf, you need to have:
recipient_delimiter = +

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[Mailman-Users] No hitches

[Paul Tomblin]

Debian just marked Debian 4.0 (etch) as stable, so I upgrade my Debian 
3.1 (sarge) colo box to Debian 4.0.  Along the way, it upgraded Mailman 
from 2.1.5 to 2.1.9.  Just wanted to let anybody else contemplating such 
an upgrade that it went without a hitch.  The stage where it says 
Updating old qfiles takes rather a long time, but it eventually 
finishes.  Mail continues to flow, the web interface works, the archives 
work.


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[Mailman-Users] Privacy policy

[Paul Tomblin]

Juno and NetZero are refusing email from my mailing list server because 
they think that 25 messages over the course of 3 days makes me some sort 
of spammer.  They're refusing to whitelist me until I can provide a link 
to a Privacy Policy and Terms of Service.  Has anybody else 
encountered this, and do you have samples of those two documents, and 
information how to embed this in my mailman listinfo page?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam of sorts

[Paul Tomblin]

Quoting Dave Foran ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 The lists that are getting the bogus messages have new domain names, but
 spammers are sending spam to the lists using the old domain. And hence
 failing.
 
 The list name that I am tinkering with is [EMAIL PROTECTED], but it used
 to be [EMAIL PROTECTED],  railnet.org and nshore.org are now virtual hosted
 on my system.

When I moved my lists from my home machine (xcski.com) to a virtual
private server (list.xcski.com), I used postfix's /etc/postfix/relocated
to cause requests for the old list names to bounce with a message giving
the new list names.  Spammers never read those bounce messages, but real
people might.  You could use that to make sure if people are requesting
the old list address that they get told of the new list address.

Or if you just want the list to be available at both locations, I imagine
you could just make your own entries in the aliases file (the main one,
not the one mailman manages) for the old location.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Where's that [EMAIL PROTECTED] horse? Close that stable door!

[Paul Tomblin]

Quoting Mike Maughan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 If not, how about an informal list-twinning service?  Pairs of list admins
 agree to provide the other with a low traffic text-only list on the other's
 servers so we can each maintain an offsite status list?

Not a bad idea.  I have a friend who likes to write scripts, so I set up a
cron job to send him the union of some of my mailing list subscriber lists
and he automatically changes that into a sendmail alias so I can use his
system for announcing that my system is down.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail not going to all members

[Paul Tomblin]

Quoting Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 Please keep conversations on the list unless there are specific privacy
 concerns.

I know it's a contentious issue, but if you want conversations to continue
on the list then you should make the list set the reply-to back to the
list.

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