Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
On 24 Dec 2002 at 3:04, Danny Terweij wrote: From: Danny Terweij [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question Date sent: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:04:54 +0100 From: Rob Jolliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... the 1000 users, will my Mailman send a single message to the SMTP server with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50 as per my configuration) or will it send 1 message per domain with the addresses attached? I have a simular setup. Lets explain only my outbound mail :) ... So just 1 outgoing message with many receipients in it. (limited at 300 per mail at mm_cfg.py) At the beginning i did use MX resolvings. Yech! took me hours to send out the mail. Now i am happy and is running for a few month. Hi Danny, How many users on your mailing list? How many messages per day? Thanks - Robert Jolliffe President, Creative Manufacturing Solutions Technology Partner, Dynac Inc. www.creativemfg.ca www.dynactools.ca tel (519)585-7524 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Hi JC, On 23 Dec 2002 at 19:54, J C Lawrence wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copies to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question Date sent: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:54:03 -0800 From: J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:39:38 -0500 Rob Jolliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a list with 1000 members on Yahoo groups (yech!). I want to move this list on to my own server. My SMTP server is going to be my ISP's server (I will be double checking with them) not my own. When I send a 10k message to the 1000 users, will my Mailman send a single message to the SMTP server with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50 as per my configuration) or will it send 1 message per domain with the addresses attached? RFC [2]822 recommends a maximum of 100 RCPT TO's per message. Fair enough. If anyone is running such a list (about 40 to 60 messages per day, maybe 5k average size, 1000 users)... Yes. ... what bandwidth do you find is sufficient. With QoS metrics and definitions as to the distribution of your target MXes this can't be answered. In my case my system is rather connected (three T3s and two T1s), but then that's rather incidental to the tasks I have it perform and wasn't a requirement of the hosting site. I would have to analyze my target MXes - which I haven't done. My bad. My QoS is low. 99% should be fine. 99.9% would be fantastic. This is a volunteer list. Here's a simple question I hope. If I pass-through my messages to an external SMTP server - does Mailman do the parsing of the messages into the different MX domains or does it leave that up to the SMTP server? In other words does it send the SMTP server 10 messages with 100 addresses (for 1000 user list), or does it pre-parse the list into domains and then send them? Just doing the straight math results in a requirement of 1 Mb per minute (174kB per second) upload speed to deliver messages within a 5 minute window. If you require a 5 minute delivery time to your ISP's smarthost, then yes. Do you require a 5 minute delivery window? Really? 5 minutes is a starting point, but not necessarily what we will ultimately settle for. - Robert Jolliffe President, Creative Manufacturing Solutions Technology Partner, Dynac Inc. www.creativemfg.ca www.dynactools.ca tel (519)585-7524 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Hi, On 24 Dec 2002 at 10:30, Jon Carnes wrote: Subject:Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question From: Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copies to: Mailman users Mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: 24 Dec 2002 10:30:20 -0500 The way Mailman works by default is that it will break the message out by domain. Thus it will send one message to each domain - up to a maximum of 100 folks at one domain, this is set in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. Thanks for the reply. You say by default. Does this mean that it can be configured to NOT break messages into the domains and let the SMTP server do that instead? Thanks -Rob - Robert Jolliffe President, Creative Manufacturing Solutions Technology Partner, Dynac Inc. www.creativemfg.ca www.dynactools.ca tel (519)585-7524 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Hi Jon, Thanks to you and everyone for your answers. I think I've got more or less the information I wanted. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. -Rob On 24 Dec 2002 at 11:58, Jon Carnes wrote: On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 11:01, Rob Jolliffe wrote: Hi, On 24 Dec 2002 at 10:30, Jon Carnes wrote: The way Mailman works by default is that it will break the message out by domain. Thus it will send one message to each domain - up to a maximum of 100 folks at one domain, this is set in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. Thanks for the reply. You say by default. Does this mean that it can be configured to NOT break messages into the domains and let the SMTP server do that instead? Thanks -Rob In this case, the non-default is to break out the messages by individual sender (what they now call personalization mode). For your use, default should work okay. Also, you should setup Sendmail (or whatever MTA you are using) to use your ISP's Mail service as a smart relay. That way, mailman will break out all the messages via domain and send one message to each domain. Each Mailing list message will be dropped off with your MTA (the local Sendmail install). Sendmail will see that the messages are not local and forward them to your ISP's Mail service. Your ISP will receive the messages and do all the heavy lifting of DNS look-ups and different Mail server communications. Enjoy! Jon Carnes - Robert Jolliffe President, Creative Manufacturing Solutions Technology Partner, Dynac Inc. www.creativemfg.ca www.dynactools.ca tel (519)585-7524 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Hi everyone, I have a bandwidth question. My searches of the archives and google turned up very little. I did see the one FAQ entry that seemed to deal with this - but I thought I should ask for clairification. Here is my question. [Perhaps it's even more an SMTP question than a mailman question, if so please point me to the right list or newsgroup.] I have a list with 1000 members on Yahoo groups (yech!). I want to move this list on to my own server. My SMTP server is going to be my ISP's server (I will be double checking with them) not my own. When I send a 10k message to the 1000 users, will my Mailman send a single message to the SMTP server with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50 as per my configuration) or will it send 1 message per domain with the addresses attached? If anyone is running such a list (about 40 to 60 messages per day, maybe 5k average size, 1000 users) what bandwidth do you find is sufficient. Just doing the straight math results in a requirement of 1 Mb per minute (174kB per second) upload speed to deliver messages within a 5 minute window. This is pretty high bandwidth imho. Does a mailing list really require this kind of thruput? Thanks very much -Rob - Robert Jolliffe President, Creative Manufacturing Solutions Technology Partner, Dynac Inc. www.creativemfg.ca www.dynactools.ca tel (519)585-7524 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
