[Mailman-Users] Re: "Error: Unknown virtual host" trying to create new list from web UI

[Sean McBride]

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 10:21:55 -0700, Mark Sapiro said:

>I suspect the permissions issue may have been in doing the MTA task, so
>if you have "MTA = 'Postfix'" in mm_cfg.py, your data/aliases(.db)
>didn't get updated. You can run `bin/genaliases` to fix that.

I ran it and it output nothing.

>I think the list is OK. You should check that you have the directories
>and files
>
>archives/private/LISTNAME/
>archives/private/LISTNAME/index.html
>archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/

I had only index.html.

>bin/rmlist -a LISTNAME

That did it!  It recreated fine.  Yay.  Thanks.

I noticed that X-BeenThere on this new list is now foo...@rogue-research.com 
instead of foo...@mail.rogue-research.com which I sorta expected due to 
changing those host variables.

I guess I should now use that `fix_url` command to make all my other lists 
match up.  Is that a generally painless experience? :)

Thanks,

Sean

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[Mailman-Users] Re: "Error: Unknown virtual host" trying to create new list from web UI

[Sean McBride]

On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 22:42:23 -0700, Mark Sapiro said:

>On 7/29/20 10:24 PM, Sean McBride wrote:
>> 
>> After reading the comments in that file and FAQ 4.29, I *think* the
>correct solution is to append the following 5 lines to my mm_cfg.py:
>> 
>> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'rogue-research.com'
>> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mail.rogue-research.com'
>> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
>> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
>> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>> 
>> Is that correct?
>
>Yes, that looks good.

Thanks!

So that got me further.  Then I got "We're sorry, we hit a bug!"  The error 
logs showed a permission error.  So I ran `check_perms -f` and it found and 
fixed ~5000 permission errors that somehow existed.

But now I try to create the list again, but it says "Error: List already 
exists".  I fear it's only half-created.  Is the best thing to do now delete 
the list and recreate it?

(Congrats on having great docs BTW, they had just about all the info I needed!)

Cheers,

Sean

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[Mailman-Users] "Error: Unknown virtual host" trying to create new list from web UI

[Sean McBride]

Hi all,

I'm running mailman 2.1.x.  I haven't had need to create a new list in years, 
but now I need to.  Trying to do so from the web UI here:
 

results in:
 "Error: Unknown virtual host: mail.rogue-research.com".

After searching for this, I now have a partial understanding of the problem.

In my Defaults.py I see:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'foo.rogue-research.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'foo.rogue-research.com'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'

foo is the real hostname of the machine. I guess that's how it ended up there? 
After reading the comments in that file and FAQ 4.29, I *think* the correct 
solution is to append the following 5 lines to my mm_cfg.py:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'rogue-research.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mail.rogue-research.com'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

Is that correct?

Many thanks,

Sean

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

[Sean McBride]

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 13:36:59 -0500, Dimitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users said:

>On 4/10/19 12:49 PM, Sean McBride wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:38:34 -0500, Dimitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users said:
>> 
>>> How much support for python 2 have you been getting until now, and why
>>> do you believe you will need it in the future?
>> 
>> Fixes to security vulnerabilities basically.  If/when some new one is
>found after 2020, you're screwed.
>
>Screwed how, exactly?

In the way you described (below).

>With a properly sandboxed application your security vulnerability has to
>be a) exploitable through that application and b) able to break out of
>the sandbox and wreak havoc to your host system.
>
>It's all perfectly possible in theory but really, do a basic risk
>analysis before jumping on the knee-jerk security bandwagon.

Agreed. But should it happen, there'll be no patches to python2 forthcoming.

Sean


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

[Sean McBride]

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:38:34 -0500, Dimitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users said:

>>   Now that all support for Python 2 is supposed to go away in 2020 are
>> people going to move off of mailman 2?
>
>How much support for python 2 have you been getting until now, and why
>do you believe you will need it in the future?

Fixes to security vulnerabilities basically.  If/when some new one is found 
after 2020, you're screwed.

Sean


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3

[Sean McBride]

On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 09:16:41 -0700, Mark Sapiro said:

>Mailman 2 is definitely end of life. I am the only one actively
>supporting it at this point and while I continue to offer help and fix
>bugs, it's not what I want to be doing.

Is there any planned date where security updates end?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] My first time setting up mailman, some misc questions/comments

[Sean McBride]

Hi again,

Another comment and question if I may:

1) The mailman-install.pdf has text like this:


Add this to the bottom of the ‘$prefix/Mailman/mm cfg.py’ file:
  MTA = ’Postfix’


It would be nice to be able to copy-paste that exactly, but alas the pdf use 
smart quotes, which is of course not what Python wants.


2) Does postfix need to be on the same host as Mailman?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] My first time setting up mailman, some misc questions/comments

[Sean McBride]

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 14:16:33 -0700, Mark Sapiro said:

>I've done that now in the online versions (refresh the page if it isn't
>the 'April 14' version. The update will be in the tarball of the next
>(2.1.22) release.

Nice!

>That section has a highlighted note at the top saying: "Much of the
>following is no longer applicable to more recent versions of MacOSX. See
>the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/O4A9 for links to more recent
>information." I think that's sufficient.

Up to you of course, but everything after that useful first sentence is so 
incredibly out of date that there's really no point having it there. :)  All 
the OS X versions mentioned there have had no security updates in years, so 
running something like mailman on them would be insanity, and should be 
discouraged IMHO. :)

But let me write my currently vapourwave newer notes and you can decide then if 
you want to paste it in...

>You also need to register as a user and let us know your registered user
>name.

Yes, sorry, I read too fast.  Done that too now. :)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] My first time setting up mailman, some misc questions/comments

[Sean McBride]

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:07:29 -0700, Mark Sapiro said:

>> - the docs say "Mailman should work pretty much out of the box with a
>standard Postfix installation. It has been tested with various Postfix
>versions up to and including Postfix 2.1.5."  I'm assuming that version
>number is just out-of-date?  Does mailman work with modern postfix?
>
>
>Yes. I will update the installation manual.

Thanks!

>I am guessing the Mac OS X docs you refer to are the wiki page at
><http://wiki.list.org/x/4030523>.

Yes, and also section 15.3 of mailman-install.pdf.

>If so, you can update that yourself.
>See the first paragraph at <http://wiki.list.org/FrontPage> to obtain
>write access to the wiki.

email sent, thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] My first time setting up mailman, some misc questions/comments

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On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 01:03:18 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull said:

>If you're working with Mailman 2, dubious.  There may never be another
>release of Mailman 2 (but Mark is authoritative).  And Mac OS X has
>been somewhat unkind to us (Apple's Mailman has been a long-term
>source of support requests to which we mostly have to reply "uuuhhh
>... install from source and we'll get back to you, Apple's Mailman is
>*weird*".

Yes, I've heard.  Of course, Apple hasn't included mailman since OS X 10.6, and 
likely never will again given their dislike of GPL3.

>Mailman 3 docs would be very welcome.

I'm sticking with 2 for now, as I'm familiar with its web UI and it seems 
better documented, more widely used, less bleeding edge, etc. :)

> > - OS X's native equivalent of cron is launchd, would you accept
> >   launchd config files matching those of crontab.in for inclusion?
>
>I don't know if Mark will, but I will definitely ensure they get into
>Mailman 3, or at least are well-documented (Barry makes the decisions
>about code, but docs are always welcome).
>
>Question for you: last I heard, the "launchctl load -w" approach was
>deprecated by Apple, but there was no well-documented replacement.
>Worse, there was no replacement that actually worked in my
>experience. ;-)  Has that situation improved?

I'm not aware of the problems you refer to.  "launchctl load -w" works fine in 
my experience, though the details of exactly how it works have changed between 
releases.  Like the man page says: "In previous versions, this option would 
modify the configuration file. Now the state of the Disabled key is stored 
elsewhere on-disk..."  Perhaps that's what you're talking about?

>Note: Mailman likely has to work on at least Yosemite, possibly
>Mavericks or even Mountain Lion.  Knowing Apple, even if there's a
>working canonical incantation for the most recent El Capitan, likely
>it hasn't been backported. :-(

I'll be doing this on El Capitan.  So far I can say that mailman builds. :)

I guess I'll keep notes, and share them here when done.

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[Mailman-Users] My first time setting up mailman, some misc questions/comments

[Sean McBride]

Hi all,

I'm setting up mailman for the first time, and have a few questions/comments:

- the docs say "Mailman should work pretty much out of the box with a standard 
Postfix installation. It has been tested with various Postfix versions up to 
and including Postfix 2.1.5."  I'm assuming that version number is just 
out-of-date?  Does mailman work with modern postfix?

- I'm doing this on OS X, and notice the docs for that OS are all *very* out of 
date.  Would you accept a patch to update the docs?

- OS X's native equivalent of cron is launchd, would you accept launchd config 
files matching those of crontab.in for inclusion?

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