Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC issues

2014-04-11 Thread Siniša Burina
On 11/04/14 03:19, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 I'm not sure why you can't upgrade if you can patch the code, but in any
 case, I can't point you at a single patch to do it my way because there
 are several. You could do it by applying all of the following patches in
 order.

Thank you very much, Mark!

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[Mailman-Users] DMARC issues

2014-04-10 Thread Siniša Burina
Hello!

I believe there's no need to elaborate on the problems recently introduced by 
Yahoo, changing their
DMARC DNS record and rendering many mailman lists unusable for Yahoo mail users.

I see the solution to this problem in changing the From: field to mailing 
list's address, but
keeping the poster's name or address in the description part of the same field. 
For example:

From: List Name on behalf of Poster Name l...@add.re.ss
or
From: Poster Name via List Name l...@add.re.ss
or
From: Poster Name l...@add.re.ss
or
From: Poster Name [pos...@add.re.ss] l...@add.re.ss

I'm using Mailman 2.1.13, and can not upgrade to 2.1.16 on a live system.
I was forced to turn on anonymous_list as the urgent remedy, byt the full 
anonymization is not
really how it should be.

Could someone please help me achieve this using the above version, by some 
changes in the code?

Thank you!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC issues

2014-04-10 Thread Siniša Burina
On 10/04/14 16:25, Joseph Brennan wrote:

 They're breaking RFC 822 / 5322.
 
  The From: field specifies the author(s) of the message,
   that is, the mailbox(es) of the person(s) or system(s) responsible
   for the writing of the message.  [...]
   In all cases, the From: field SHOULD NOT contain any mailbox that
   does not belong to the author(s) of the message.
 
 I don't think we should compound that by changing the From line.

Well, anonymous_list option does that too, completely hiding the original 
poster's information.
The approach I proposed would do the same, only in slightly subtler manner. :)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC issues

2014-04-10 Thread Siniša Burina
On 10/04/14 17:18, Lindsay Haisley wrote:

 This is the first I've heard of this issue, but it doesn't surprise me
 at all.

Basically, Yahoo insists that their own mail servers are the only ones that can 
originate the
message with @yahoo.com domain in the From header. Not Return-Path, Not the 
envelope sender, but
exactly the From header in the message itself.
If this practice gets adopted by more organizations, I don't know how else 
could this problem be solved.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC issues

2014-04-10 Thread Siniša Burina
On 10/04/14 19:57, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

 Or just bounce them with a message stating that Yahoo no longer
 permits its users to post to mailing lists, so please use a different
 posting address.  I realize that most sites can't do that, but mine
 can (and will if I get any complaints about this policy -- my
 subscribers are sympathetic).

And that's exactly what I'm going to do. :)

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