[Mailman-Users] Fwd: Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

[Tom Corcoran]

On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 at 10:49, Christian Buser via Mailman-Users <
mailman-users@python.org> wrote:

> Hello Tom Corcoran. On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 10:22:45 +, you wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Christian! I set up the forwarders and deleted the mailing
> > lists! So much unnecessary pain over the years!
>
> Ah - you had a mailinglist with the same name as the mail address to be
> forwarded. Possible that this does not work.
>

No, I never had the clash, I just added the forwarders this morning. The
pain I had over the years was the mailing lists archiving and consequently
me running out of my allotted space. All good now, I think, thanks!
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[Mailman-Users] Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

[Tom Corcoran]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 22:36, Brian Carpenter 
wrote:

>
> You are correct. A forwarder does not need a corresponding email
> account. To see what happened to your test email, try using the Track
> Delivery tool within the Email section of cPanel.
>

Thanks, Brian, I never knew about hat tool, that will come in handy.
The emails turned up in my box overnight with the same arrival time as sent
time even though they did not show for at least up to an hour initially
when I was refreshing webmail.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

[Tom Corcoran]

Hi Tel2

On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 21:04,  wrote:

>
> I have a cPanel account with webhostingbuzz.com and I have 2 forwarders
> set up so that anything sent to b...@mydomain.com goes to m...@mydomain.com
> and myw...@mydomain.com.
> What's stopping you from doing that?
>

Fantastic, great to hear, thanks. In forwarders I added an non existant
email t...@mydomain.com forwarding to my regaular email address. And a
seperate forwarder from t...@mydomain.com to my wife's. An hour later I
have not got this email. I don't think the "address to forward" has to be
setup as an email address separately - I already have a bunch of aliases of
my own address setup. That said I'm unsure why I have not got the email
sent to test

Tom.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

[Tom Corcoran]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 04:47, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 11/9/20 9:22 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> >
> > Would mailman consider adding a bypass option so it simply forwards the
> > emails to the 2 email addresses on the mailing list?
>
> As I indicate in my prior replies, just set
>
> Non-digest options -> scrub_nondigest = No
> Digest options -> digestable = No
> Archiving Options -> archive = No
>
> and nothing will be stored in the archive.
>

This sounds great, thanks.

The digest option is the one I had not set. Going into Non-digest the first
option "Can subscribers choose to receive mail immediately, rather than in
batched digests" is turned on by default but I have the lower scrub option
set to No.

If my isp will clear them one last time that should be the end of it then.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

[Tom Corcoran]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 04:40, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 11/9/20 9:22 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> >
> > I am unsure how setting Digest options -> digestible to No would help?
> > There are no digests sent anyway, my wife has no reason to go into the
> > options, etc.
>
>
> It helps because if the list is digestable, the plain text digest is
> created and non-plain text attachments are scrubbed and stored in the
> archive even if there are no digest recipients. The way to avoid this
> scrubbing and storing aside of attachments from the digest is to set
> Digest options -> digestible to No. If the list is not digestable,
> digests won't be created.
>

Makes sense, mine was set to True though I never used digests.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

[Tom Corcoran]

Thanks for telling me about mailmanhost.com brian, My mailing lists are
used for my wife and me so we can get emails from the school and kids
activities with a single parents@ address, very low volume. Similar for
utility bills@ address. So such a solution is overkill.

I see my original picture showing my settings was excluded, here it is:
https://snipboard.io/hxpWac.jpg

Mark, the kids clubs and utility billing companies mostly send HTML emails
and.or pdf newsletters.

I am unsure how setting Digest options -> digestible to No would help?
There are no digests sent anyway, my wife has no reason to go into the
options, etc.

It's surprising to me that mailman has not considered this simple use-case
and as a result, it's over-engineered for this use case. Most people think
it should not accumulate emails with all these options set and the solution
is to ask one's isp to clear out space every so often. For there to be no
option that 100% stops accumulation at this stage of the products life is a
little bizarre and silly imho.

Would mailman consider adding a bypass option so it simply forwards the
emails to the 2 email addresses on the mailing list?

Maybe there is a CPanel option to do this other than mailing lists, I have
not found it. Forwarders do not alow 1 address to be forwarded to 2 as far
as I can see.

As always, thanks for yer paitence.

Tom.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

[Tom Corcoran]

Cheers,

Tom.


On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 at 19:19, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 11/6/20 5:09 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> >
> > Currently, the lists are setup as follows:
> > [image: image.png]
> > Non-digest options -> scrub_nondigestis set to No.
>
>
> You need to set Archiving Options -> archive to No.
>

Thanks, all are set to no.
This shows it set: https://snipboard.io/ahFKH1.jpg
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[Mailman-Users] cPanel mailing list accumulating space

[Tom Corcoran]

Hi all,

I have 3 mailing lists sent up for myself and my wife, so we both get
emails for 1 address. I have limited room on my server space and I want all
emails to pass through and none to be
archived.

[image: image.png]

I have got help on this list before for this issue,
https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg72230.html
_but_ the lists are still archiving, see picture above, This might not
sound like much but I only have about 30MB to play with my allotment so
it's *very *tight.

I can ask my isp to delete and have done ion the past but I want to set it
up so it's 100% pass through.

Currently, the lists are setup as follows:
[image: image.png]
Non-digest options -> scrub_nondigestis set to No.

I have tried the cpanel forum before with no help given.

How are things getting stored?

Any help much appreciated.

Tom.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] auto approving Message has implicit destination

[Tom Corcoran]

On 17/01/2020 17:36, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 1/17/20 1:34 AM, tom.corco...@moonbade.com wrote:

In the same mailing list I am regularly having to constantly approve
emails from the same address with message: Reason:  Message has implicit
destination. Is there a setting I can make on the mailing list admin
that means the email comes straight through without the need to do this
approval?


Set Privacy options... -> Recipient filters ->
require_explicit_destination to No

Worked great, thank you :-)
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[Mailman-Users] auto approving Message has implicit destination

[tom . corcoran]

Previously you helped me with auto discarding on my mailing list for 
myself and my wife: 
https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg72213.html


In the same mailing list I am regularly having to constantly approve 
emails from the same address with message: Reason:  Message has implicit 
destination. Is there a setting I can make on the mailing list admin 
that means the email comes straight through without the need to do this 
approval?



Cheers,

Tom.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

Yes, I get the auto discard message with the pdf attached.

Thank you! via http://listhelper.nongnu.org/mailmanconf.html I found where
generic_nonmember_action was and discovered that the email address was in
the List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically
discarded. Crikey. my bad, I must have clicked wrongly one time!

Thanks for your patience Mark! :-)

Tom.


On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 15:01, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 10/17/19 2:38 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> > All my stuff is typically default and not set unless ye told me here. I
> > double-checked and no rules in there
>
> How do you know when a message is discarded? Do you get a message from
> Mailman with Subject: Auto-discard notification with the message attached.
>
> If so, the post is from a nonmember and either the nonmember address or
> a regexp pattern matching the address is in discard_these_nonmembers or
> generic_nonmember_action is Discard.
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

All my stuff is typically default and not set unless ye told me here. I
double-checked and no rules in there

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 18:01, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On October 16, 2019 9:16:14 AM PDT, Tom Corcoran 
> wrote:
> >thanks, Mark,
> >
> >Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
> >   boundary="=_NextPart_000_0029_01D583FA.47355D80"
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >Content-Type: message/rfc822
> >Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> >   boundary="=_NextPart_001_002A_01D583FA.47355D80"
> >Content-Type: text/plain;
> >   charset="us-ascii"
> >Content-Type: text/html;
> >   charset="us-ascii"
> >Content-Type: application/pdf;
>
>
> Ok. It's not content filtering doing the discarding.
>
> What's in Privacy options -> Spam filters?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

thanks, Mark,

Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_0029_01D583FA.47355D80"
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Type: message/rfc822
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=_NextPart_001_002A_01D583FA.47355D80"
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Type: application/pdf;


Phew!


Tom.


On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 15:43, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 10/16/19 1:30 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> > Thanks, Mark.
> >
> > Having sent my test email with pdf attached I thought all was fine, but
> an
> > email from a club with pdf was auto discarded this morning :-(
> >
> > My pass_mime_types is now:
> >
> > multipart
> > message/rfc822
> > application/pgp-signature
> > text/plain
> > text/html
> > application/pdf
>
>
> That looks good.
>
>
> > Looking at the header of the  message discarded I see:
> >
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===12345678=="
> >
> > Do I need to add
> > multipart/mixed
> > to pass_mime_types or something?
>
> No. "multipart" includes all sub-types of multipart. With the settings
> you have, it is unlikely that content filtering removed all of the
> message. What are the Content-Types of all of the subparts?. If you can
> post all the Content-Type headers and boundaries, we can be sure. A
> simple example of what I mean is:
>
>
>
> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> boundary="_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w"
> > ...
> > --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> > ...
> > --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w
> > Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
> > ...
> > --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w--
>
>
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

Thanks, Mark.

Having sent my test email with pdf attached I thought all was fine, but an
email from a club with pdf was auto discarded this morning :-(

My pass_mime_types is now:

multipart
message/rfc822
application/pgp-signature
text/plain
text/html
application/pdf

Looking at the header of the  message discarded I see:

MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===12345678=="

Do I need to add
multipart/mixed
to pass_mime_types or something?

Thanks!

Tom.


On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 19:20, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 10/14/19 3:27 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> >
> > The faq mentioned is unreadable for a non-expert.
>
>
> In order to solve this issue, you need to understand why the messages
> are being discarded. The FAQ at <https://wiki.list.org/x/17892050> lists
> the various list settings that can cause this. I will try to translate:
>
> MimeDel: Does your list have Content filtering -> filter_content set to
> Yes. If so, and pass_mime_types is non-empty and does not contain at least
>   multipart
>   text/plain
>   text/html
>   application/pdf
> Content filtering may be removing the entire message. Simplest solution
> is to set filter_content Off.
>
> Moderate: probably not the issue in your case.
>
> Scrubber: If your list's Non-digest options -> scrub_nondigest setting
> is Yes, this is a possibility but not likely. You can set it to No.
>
> SpamDetect: If your list's Privacy options... -> Sender filters ->
> dmarc_moderation_action is set to Discard, set it to Munge From. The
> other things under SpamDetect are not likely, but you can check if your
> list has anything in Privacy options... -> Spam filters ->
> header_filter_rules with a Discard action.
>
> The above are all settings in Mailman's list admin UI.
>
>
> > I am still getting auto discard from a club email that sends a pdf
> > newsletter, I have the address whitelisted in cpanel.
>
>
> I don't know what "whitelisted in cpanel" means. It may mean the address
> is added to Privacy options... -> Sender filters ->
> accept_these_nonmembers, but if so, that is not relevant.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Tom Corcoran]

 Wow! Thanks, Steve!

My mention of pdf here, crossed over with my other post and confused,
sorry.

With content_filtering turned on now hopefully no more attachments
accumulate.,

collapse_alternatives
convert_html_to_plaintext

defaulted to Yes, so I turned them off.

Done and tested :-)


Cheers,

Tom.


On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 14:28, Stephen J. Turnbull <
turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:

> Tom Corcoran writes:
>
>  > All emails that come in I want to forward to our 2 addresses with no
>  > archive so as far, as I am concerned ongoing admin having to accept
>  > messages from new addresses, is overkill and I would avoid doing it and
>  > accept all messages if that was possible. Also, sometimes some of the
>  > sports clubs for my kids attach a pdf.
>
> I would then add
>
> text/html
> application/pdf
>
> to pass_these_mime_types in the Content Filtering page.  The first
> allows HTML-only mail to come in, and since this is really personal
> mail I don't see a good reason to disallow HTML.  The second prevents
> the PDF from being discarded.  If you strongly *prefer* plain text to
> HTML-formatted email, you could set both of
>
> collapse_alternatives
> convert_html_to_plaintext
>
> to Yes in the same page.
>
> Steve
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Tom Corcoran]

Thanks, Brian & Steve!

I feel some context would be useful. I solely use mailing lists so both
myself and my wife can get emails from schools, sports clubs, bills, etc.

All emails that come in I want to forward to our 2 addresses with no
archive so as far, as I am concerned ongoing admin having to accept
messages from new addresses, is overkill and I would avoid doing it and
accept all messages if that was possible. Also, sometimes some of the
sports clubs for my kids attach a pdf.

I have only edited the bare minimum of the mailman settings.

1. I looked at "Scrub attachments of the regular delivery message?
(Details for scrub_nondigest)" which opens in a new window it's set to no
already!2. In content filtering, I turned it on and changed nothing else.

Hopefully, #2 means that attachments will now not be archived and I can
achieve my goal of zero build-up of any storage with messages passing
through?

I guess I'll have to wait and see if anything accumulates!

Thanks a million, Tom.

[for some reason this post of 7+ days ago, never appeared on the list, I
may have used the wrong from email]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

I have a mailing list setup so myself and my wife get emails re our kids,
from school, sports clubs, etc. We want everything to come through so I
wish there was an option for that!

As reported in this thread I have no auto discard set, with "Discard held
messages older than this number of days. Use 0 for no automatic
discarding." set to 0. I was told here that the later only affects messages
which are held for moderation and still waiting moderator action after
max_days_to_hold days.

The faq mentioned is unreadable for a non-expert.

I am still getting auto discard from a club email that sends a pdf
newsletter, I have the address whitelisted in cpanel.

Please, can someone advise me?

Cheers,

Tom.


On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 16:35, Tom Corcoran  wrote:

> Thanks, Mark. I'm unsure how I missed the moderation for so long as
> anything due shows on the first page always.
>
> btw, I read the faq page and I do not have a notion what it is saying! I
> guess it's a faq page for someone in the loop. I'm unsure why it could not
> have the simple explanation you gave regarding the message still needed to
> be moderated.
>
> On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 20:05, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
>
>> On 10/1/19 11:45 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> >
>> > For a list of possible reasons for this, see
>> > <https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2016-July/081004.html
>> >.
>>
>>
>> This has now been summarized in a new FAQ at
>> <https://wiki.list.org/x/17892050>.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Tom Corcoran]

Thanks Brian!

That's great to have that confirmed :-)

*But*, the mystery for me is if archives are turned off how are the
attachments saved. Is there another setting? If not, surely one should be
added so this unnecessary support request is not needed?

I may have done my isp a disservice. I had a separate request (no resolved)
re mailman auto discarding and I think that was the one the were pointing
me elsewhere for.


On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 18:09, Brian Carpenter  wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> I have provided Mailman hosting via cPanel for many years now. I
> apologize for not responding earlier to your request. I know exactly
> what is taking up that space: attachments. Mailman takes message
> attachments and stores them in an attachment directory that is part of
> the Mailman file structure. This directory cannot be access via a normal
> cPanel user. It requires root access. We have clients who from time to
> time ask us to reduce their disk usage by clearing out their attachment
> directory which we are happy to do.
>
> Personally I would like invite you to check us out at https://emwd.com
> as I think your host did you wrong when they said they would not support
> a 3rd party. If they are a cPanel host then Mailman is part of cPanel
> and therefore should be supported.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Tom Corcoran]

 I came to this group as my isp said they would not support a 3rd party.

I'm confused, Mark. I printed out the link you sent me but I was
dumbfounded when I read through it now that there was nothing about
clearing out the 50MB and an unhelpful page more or less telling people to
leave the group alone :-(

Would someone on this group willing to try and help me retrieve my precious
50MB?

Thanks!

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 19:30, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 10/1/19 8:17 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> >
> > I don't have command line access to my cPanel - just FileManager.
> >
> > How do I find out what these 50+MB are being used for and how do  I
> recover
> > the 50+MB?
>
> See the FAQ at <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel>.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

Thanks, Mark. I'm unsure how I missed the moderation for so long as
anything due shows on the first page always.

btw, I read the faq page and I do not have a notion what it is saying! I
guess it's a faq page for someone in the loop. I'm unsure why it could not
have the simple explanation you gave regarding the message still needed to
be moderated.

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 20:05, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 10/1/19 11:45 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> >
> > For a list of possible reasons for this, see
> > .
>
>
> This has now been summarized in a new FAQ at
> .
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[Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Tom Corcoran]

I have 3 lists, going to mailing list administration and clicking on Go to
list archives gives Private archive file not found for all.

But in cPanel mailing lists it says:

list 1 usage 14.98 MB
list 2 usage: 37.72 MB

list 3 has usage in KB, which is what I expect. All are I believe setup
identically

I don't have command line access to my cPanel - just FileManager.

How do I find out what these 50+MB are being used for and how do  I recover
the 50+MB?

Thanks!
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[Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

Apologies if this is a FAQ but I could not find the info.

I have some mailing lists setup on cpanel. One address I have added to my
whitelist in spamassain. I also have no auto discard set, with "Discard
held messages older than this number of days. Use 0 for no automatic
discarding." set to 0.

However, emails from this address come in as auto discarded.

I'd like to prevent that in the future and have the email delivered as
normal.

Is there an additional setting I need to configure?

Thanks!
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