Re: [Mailman-Users] How to discard messages from just a few list members?

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Thank you for your explanations, Mark!

(Mission accomplished)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to discard messages from just a few list members?

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> Get yourself a second account.  Subscribe both of them to the mailing list.
> Moderate one, not the other.  Disable mail delivery for one of the
> accounts -- don't unsubscribe, just turn off delivery.  You can set both
> of them up as list moderators, list owners if you like, or just the one
> account if that is better for you.

Thank you for that suggestion, Laura, but it would also remove the
basically wanted moderation of my own postings to my newsletter mailing
list (I explained earlier why it is required).

I really seem to have found a working setup using the Spam filter now,
as I posted about 40 minutes ago.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to discard messages from just a few list members?

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Hi Stephen.

> > Thank you, but I won't send unmoderated news to any newsletter. I am
> > using Mailman for felt decades and I am so happy that the moderated flag
> > always kept me from sending postings too early.
>
> Unmoderate yourself in the member view, and then use a privacy filter
> with your address, and action set to Hold.
>
> The same strategy should work for any number of authorized posters by
> adding their addresses to the regexp with "|".
>
> Note: Untested, but AFAIK the several moderation methods are
> independent in this way.

I now have set these settings:

Privacy Options > Subscription rules > Sender filters:
- default_member_moderation: Yes (was already set)
- member_moderation_action: Discard (was: Hold)
- member_moderation_notice:
"Sorry. This is a moderated mailing list. You don't have write access here."
(without quotation marks)

Privacy Options > Subscription rules > Spam filters:
- header_filter_rules:
Spam Filter Regexp:
"From: Ulf Dunkel " (without quotation marks) *)
Action: Hold

*) I firstly had to check which exact header phrase was used from my
email client.

This seems to be the setting that works for me.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to discard messages from just a few list members?

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Dear Mark.

> To be more specific, set Privacy options... -> Sender filters ->
> default_member_moderation to Yes to automatically moderate new members
> and set Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> member_moderation_action
> to Discard and Submit Your Changes. Then on the Membership Management...
> -> Membership List page under Additional Member Tasks, set "Set
> everyone's moderation bit, including those members not currently
> visible" to On and click "Set".
> 
> Then, in order to be able to post yourself, uncheck your "mod" box on
> the Membership Management... -> Membership List pages and Submit Your
> Changes, or better still, leave yourself moderated and post with an
> Approved:  header. This latter method prevents others from
> posting by spoofing your address. See the FAQs at
> <http://wiki.list.org/x/4030685> and <http://wiki.list.org/x/4030556>.

Thank you for your detailed cookbook, but I would lose moderation of my
own postings to this newsletter mailing list if I would do either way as
you suggested. I know that the basic intention of Mailman mailing lists
is to let all members of a list communicate with others and I am kind of
"misusing" it as a newsletter mailing list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to discard messages from just a few list members?

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>>>> In "Privacy options > Sender filters", I see many options to treat
>>>> postings from non-member addresses. But I don't find a way to discard
>>>> posting from defined list members automatically, without dropping them
>>>> from the list.
>>>>
>>>> Is there any such option that I have overseen?
>>>
>>> Set the members moderated and set member_moderation_action to Discard.
>> I guess if I would do so, this could mean that I myself won't be able to
>> send postings to the list, too, right?
>>
> You would be able to post if you make yourself not moderated.

Thank you, but I won't send unmoderated news to any newsletter. I am
using Mailman for felt decades and I am so happy that the moderated flag
always kept me from sending postings too early. Chances are that you
post some stuff with unfixed errors and the moderated mode helps you to
re-check your posting before you confirm that it should be spread.

I have now set up a regEx command and will see if it works.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to discard messages from just a few list members?

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>> In "Privacy options > Sender filters", I see many options to treat
>> postings from non-member addresses. But I don't find a way to discard
>> posting from defined list members automatically, without dropping them
>> from the list.
>>
>> Is there any such option that I have overseen?
> 
> 
> Set the members moderated and set member_moderation_action to Discard.

I guess if I would do so, this could mean that I myself won't be able to
send postings to the list, too, right?

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[Mailman-Users] How to discard messages from just a few list members?

[Ulf Dunkel]

I am running some moderated mailing lists (for newsletters) where only I
myself should be able to send messages. Every now and then some of my
list members get trapped in a spam bulk mail and repeat this spam even
to my lists.

In "Privacy options > Sender filters", I see many options to treat
postings from non-member addresses. But I don't find a way to discard
posting from defined list members automatically, without dropping them
from the list.

Is there any such option that I have overseen?

I am currently running Mailman 2.1.16.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List member seen as non-member by Mailman?

[Ulf Dunkel]

Thank you for your reply. I will get back to this subject as soon as
another issue occurs.
The first one showed the message: 'The sender is not a member of this
list', although the exact email was definitely in the list.

- - - - -

Am 02.03.2015 um 17:56 schrieb Mark Sapiro:
> On 03/02/2015 03:43 AM, Ulf Dunkel wrote:
>>
>> On one of the lists, I frequently get admin messages to accept messages
>> to the list, sent by non-members. But when I check them, their email
>> addresses are definitely in the list.
> 
> 
> I'd like a bit more information.
> 
> When you go to the admindb summary page, what is the 'reason' why the
> message is held, and what if any of the following does it also say?
>  'The sender is now a member of this list'
>  'Add  to one of these sender filters:'
>  'Clear this member's moderate flag'
> 
> 
>> None of the members are set to be moderated, nor do I find any other
>> restrictions.
>> Is there anything I can have overseen so that Mailman doesn't recognize
>> these list members?
> 
> 
> Are the email addresses in the list exactly the same (except for case)
> as the sender address? I.e., u...@mail.example.com may be the same
> person as u...@example.com, but Mailman doesn't know that.
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[Mailman-Users] List member seen as non-member by Mailman?

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I am running Mailman 2.1.16 on an up-to-date Ubuntu Linux machine.

On one of the lists, I frequently get admin messages to accept messages
to the list, sent by non-members. But when I check them, their email
addresses are definitely in the list.

None of the members are set to be moderated, nor do I find any other
restrictions.
Is there anything I can have overseen so that Mailman doesn't recognize
these list members?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] You gave the wrong password - how to solve this?

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Hi Mark.

>> This works fine for me, but - I don't like to send passwords via email
>> to my normal user mail account.
> 
> So why don't you just have your server do a wget or curl to get that URL
> instead of mailing it to you, or is mailing it to you some kind of
> confirmation step?

Thank you for pushing me into the right direction. I was too much fixed
on subscription handling via email. This Console command does what I want:

wget -q
"http:///mailman/admin//members/remove?send_unsub_ack_to_this_batch=1&send_unsub_notifications_to_list_owner=1&unsubscribees_upload=&adminpw="

This is the PHP command I now use:

$return = exec("wget -q \"$body\"", $output);

Thank you again.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] You gave the wrong password - how to solve this?

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Hi Mark.

>> Why then does "subscribe" work fine with ?
> 
> Because the password provided with the email subscribe command is the
> user password to assign to this member. If you have done this, you have
> exposed the list admin password to everyone you subscribed this way in
> their list welcome message.

I did not, for heaven's sake. :-)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] You gave the wrong password - how to solve this?

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>  > Why then does "subscribe" work fine with ?
> 
> Perhaps because subscription doesn't require a password at all?

Thank you, Stephen, for this hint. Makes sense. :-)


I have now adjusted my stuff that way, that my server sends me myself an
email with the desired link, e.g.

/mailman/admin//members/remove?send_unsub_ack_to_this_batch=1&send_unsub_notifications_to_list_owner=0&unsubscribees_upload=&adminpw=>

This works fine for me, but - I don't like to send passwords via email
to my normal user mail account.

When I try

/mailman/admin//members/remove?send_unsub_ack_to_this_batch=1&send_unsub_notifications_to_list_owner=0&unsubscribees_upload=>

instead (without the adminpw stuff), I get this funny error on the webpage:

- snip -
Error: The form lifetime has expired. (request forgery check)
- snap -

Is there any chance to proceed with URLs like the one above and using
the web interface with the need to enter the admin password in the browser?

Thank you in advance.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] You gave the wrong password - how to solve this?

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>> When my script sends an unsubscribe email to the relevant list, it has
>> this general format:
>>
>> - snip -
>> From: 
>> To: -request@lists..net
>> Ref: unsubscribe  address=
>> - snap -
>>
>> What am I doing wrong? Is it possible that there is a conflict between
>> the  and a maybe user-defined  when I try
>> to unsubscribe the user with my ?
> 
> 
> Exactly. The password in the email unsubscribe command is the user's
> list password, not the list admin password.
> 
> If you want to unsubscribe a user without confirmation and with
> authentication via the list admin password, you have to use the web
> interface. See the FAQs at  and
> .

So there is NO way to unsubscribe a user via email?
Why then does "subscribe" work fine with ?

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[Mailman-Users] You gave the wrong password - how to solve this?

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I run various Mailman mailing lists on my servers since - well - decades
;-). Subscribers usually won't see the original Mailman interface web
pages, but I have prepared own pages accordingly. Users can subscribe
and unsubscribe from these forms.

Example:
http://www.dsd.net/news/news_abo.php?lan=en

I handle the subscribe and unsubscribe commands of-the-web page in a PHP
server-script which then sends emails to the relevant mailing lists.
This works fine with subscriptions.

But when a user wants to unsubscribe, chances are that I receive a
message from the list with the "You gave the wrong password" result.

When my script sends an unsubscribe email to the relevant list, it has
this general format:

- snip -
From: 
To: -request@lists..net
Ref: unsubscribe  address=
- snap -

What am I doing wrong? Is it possible that there is a conflict between
the  and a maybe user-defined  when I try
to unsubscribe the user with my ?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] settings changed?

[Ulf Dunkel]

David: So you did NOT look into the vette.log?

- - - - -

Am 21.09.2011 16:56, schrieb David Doonan:

The site has two admins. One contacted me about the problem. Before I
had time to investigate, the other admin fixed the problem, which is why
I couldn't find anything wrong.

david


On Sep 21, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:


david doonan wrote:


One of my clients is managing a mailman list, version 2.1.13.

He tells me that he has NOT changed any of the admin settings, but
starting yesterday, all messages from authorized users are being held
for moderation. Any idea what I should be looking for?



The reason why the message is held. You can find this reason in
Mailman's vette log, in notices to the admin about the held post(s)
and in the list's admindb interface when a post is held.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] User Management

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If you'd like to do this in a web interface, you may want to set up a 
cron job which files all list members periodically and gets analyzed by 
a PHP form in a browser, like we do here:


http://www.dsd.net/news/news_abo.php?lan=en

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Am 11.08.2011 21:01, schrieb Douglas D. J. de Macedo:

Hi people,

I would like to know more about user management on Mailman system.

My problem is that I have more than 50 lists and every time time that one of
the users go out of the company I have to go one per one list removing this
user. And the other way, when a new person get a job here I have to sign
their email list per list ..

So there are some tool to help me?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Can I use /usr/sbin/postmap myself to updatevirtual-mailman.db?

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Hi Mark.


What you want to run is Mailman's bin/genaliases which will completely
rebuild data/aliases and data/virtual-mailman based on the lists in
the installation including those you added by copying and run the
relevant postalias and postmap commands to update the .db files.


Excellent! That worked for me. :-)

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[Mailman-Users] Can I use /usr/sbin/postmap myself to update virtual-mailman.db?

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Hi Mark,

I have moved my domains to a new server and have copied many mailing 
lists from the old server to the new one instead of creating them on the 
new server one by one.


Now I see that the virtual-mailman file isn't updated for these simply 
copied mailing lists, but only for newly created ones. The file warns me 
to edit it myself, but rather have it auto-updated from the 
virtual-mailman.db file.


If I have understood the process correctly, every time when I create a 
new mailing list, Mailman will add the relevant data to the 
virtual-mailman.db and run /usr/sbin/postmap to have the virtual-mailman 
file updated for Postfix.


Can I do this myself on the Server console? I would really like to avoid 
having to create all these mailing lists again ...


And - yes, they are all properly shown by list_lists and can be used in 
either way, but still not via the email interface.


Any help is appreciated, as always.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Any quantity restrictions in who email command?

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Am 29.07.2011 16:27, schrieb Mark Sapiro:

Ulf Dunkel wrote:


I try to grab the members from various of my mailing lists via the email
interface, but two of them with more than 1,000 users each won't let
Mailman reply on my "who" email to the relevant
-request@mydomain account.

Are there any quantity restrictions I have overseen (or forgotten)?



There are no built-in limits. Is there anything in Mailman's logs,
particularly error and qrunner?


My fault - the replies were simply dropped into my Junk folder where I 
found them this morning. Don't know why Thunderbird did this. :-)


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[Mailman-Users] Any quantity restrictions in who email command?

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Hi Mark.

I try to grab the members from various of my mailing lists via the email 
interface, but two of them with more than 1,000 users each won't let 
Mailman reply on my "who " email to the relevant 
-request@mydomain account.


Are there any quantity restrictions I have overseen (or forgotten)?

Thanks in advance for your reply,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman aliases: various places on new server?

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Hi Mark.


It appears your ISP is using some packaged Mailman (possibly Debian or
RedHat), but has not properly configured Postfix to look for Mailman's
aliases and virtual maps in the place where the package puts them.


It's a VM with CentOS and I guess he simply picked the package from Yum.

I have now fixed the relevant entry in /etc/postfix/main.cf:

- snip -
alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/mailman/aliases
- snap -

Thank you for your comment, as always.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman to another server

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Hi Myron.

~mailman/bin/check_perms  is your friend, really.

When you're done fixing all permissions, run

~mailman/bin/unshunt


I am almost done with the same stuff - once again.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman aliases: various places on new server?

[Ulf Dunkel]

Hi Mark,

once again, I also had to move my Mailman lists to a new server. Now 
that I am almost done, I wonder about this:


When I run /usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases, I see that in /etc/mailman/ 
the relevant files are updated:


- aliases
- aliases.db
- virtual-mailman
- virtual-mailman.db

But Postfix won't react on alias changes until I copy at least the 
aliases* files into /var/lib/mailman/data/.


I didn't set up Mailman on the new machine, but my ISP did. In various 
documentations on the web I see various places for all this stuff. Is 
there any place where the genaliases output should be written to by default?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Backing Up the List of Members

[Ulf Dunkel]

Hi Alan.


I just tried this.  It works great!  I thank Herr Dunkel as
well as the other kind and knowledgeable responders who have
weighed in.  What a great List!


Oh, not that seriously, just call me Ulf, please. :-)

By the way: If you're on a Mac, I'd recommend Simon to auto-send emails 
every now and then. A great monitoring app from Dejal Systems.


http://www.dsd.net/prod/mac/simon.php?lan=en

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Backing Up the List of Members

[Ulf Dunkel]

Hi Andrew.


I guess I would do a simple admin request email for the lists every now
and then, [...]


The issue I have with the roster email is that it doesn't tell you whether the 
user is on nomail or digest.  We had an issue last week where one of my users 
moved a lists from Freelists to Mailman, and we had a lot of complaints of 
users starting to receive mail again after going nomail, and digest users not 
being on digest.

Just something to take note of.


That's true, but that wasn't the OP's topic. :-)

In fact, I myself do a cronjob on my server and have the list files 
backup'ed somewhere. But the mail interface is really handy.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Backing Up the List of Members

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Hi Alan.


Is there a command to exhibit all members on one page?  or, better
yet, is there a command an administrator can invoke to have the
members, if possible with their flags, shipped to my home computer?


I guess I would do a simple admin request email for the lists every now 
and then, something in the format:


To: _request@
Subject: who 

This sends an email to your account with a list of all currently stored 
members of the list.


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[Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.13 and Unicode

[Ulf Dunkel]

I wonder if there is any simple way to have my Mailman 2.1.13 strings 
set to Unicode (UTF-8).


I have seen that the Mailman 3.0 announcements even talk about an end to 
the "Unicode story", but as I am no early starter and am glad to finally 
have 2.1.13 running fine here, I would like to get some advice what to 
do to have the Mailman interfaces in Unicode, finally.


Thank you in advance for your hints,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Autosubscribe email address

[Ulf Dunkel]

Hi Bibek.

On 28.03.2010 07:19, Bibek Shrestha wrote:

We're programmatically generating mailing lists
li...@example.com li...@example.com

We've also creating new email addresses
us...@domain.com, us...@domain.com

How is it possible to subscribe us...@domain.com to li...@example.com

Currently, i'm looking into send commands to list1-requ...@example.com with
  subscribe password nodigest address=us...@domain.com

This however sends back a confirmation request, how can i subscribe
only the autogenerated us...@domain.com without confirmation?
The rest of the normal users would still have to confirm before they
are subscribed.


So you might want to set the relevant "Privacy options" to something 
like: subscribe_policy = "Require approval". See the mailing list's 
/privacy page for details.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to install Mailman 2.1.13 on Debian Lenny

[Ulf Dunkel]

Hi Stefan.

On 27.03.2010 03:44, Stefan Foerster wrote:

* Mark Sapiro :

Ulf Dunkel wrote:
They asked me to install Mailman v2.1.13 "manually" because this doesn't 
seem to be possible with apt-get right now.


Because I have not installed a single app myself without the help of the 
package manager aptitude, I am kind of stuck.


Can you give me a little howto?

[...]

You might also look at other Debian patches at
<http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/mailman>. In particular,
those Defaults.py.in patches in "01_defaults.debian.patch" are things
you probably want in mm_cfg.py to keep doing things the Debian way.


I backported 2.1.13 to stable, pending upload at
http://debian.incertum.net/ within the next ten minutes.


Your backport helped me to easily install Mailman 2.1.13.

Well, now I'm still stuck with iso-8859-1 encoded interface pages, but 
that will have to wait until tomorrow. SUNDAY break. ;-)


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[Mailman-Users] How to install Mailman 2.1.13 on Debian Lenny

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Hi Mark Sapiro, hi folks.

I have asked my ISP to update my Debian Etch server to Debian Lenny to 
be able and use a higher version of Mailman (and other stuff). It's done 
now, but "aptitude install mailman" or "apt-get install mailman" won't 
give me more than v2.1.11.


After the Debian update, all not-English Mailman web pages on my server 
looked rather ugly because they still (or again) use the ISO-8859-x 
encodings instead of UTF-8.


I hoped to get at least Mailman v2.1.12 with the Debian update which 
brings better German localized files - but my ISP now informed me that 
this is kind of a restriction in the Debian philosophy which does not 
always support the current packages of applications.


They asked me to install Mailman v2.1.13 "manually" because this doesn't 
seem to be possible with apt-get right now.


Because I have not installed a single app myself without the help of the 
package manager aptitude, I am kind of stuck.


Can you give me a little howto?

PS: Yes, I would like to update to v2.1.13 first, then fix the UTF-8 
issue afterwards.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help!! Spam Flood!

[Ulf Dunkel]

Hi Donald.

Donald J. Organ IV wrote:

So I seem to be getting flooded with spam being send to 
liphp-dev-ow...@lists.liphp.org , and it seems to have the on behalf of  in 
there.  Is there a way to stop this.  I get a couple hundred if not maybe a 
couple of 1,000 spam messages a day.

Now I am the owner of the list so I guess email sent to that address should 
come to me but isnt there a way to stop the spam?


Do you use a greylist on your mail server side?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to set up notifications for MembershipManagement?

[Ulf Dunkel]

Hi Mark.


  - Send notifications of new subscriptions to the list owner? (Yes)


Defaults to the list setting General Otions -> Notifications ->
admin_notify_mchanges




  - Send notifications to the list owner? (No)


Defaults to the list setting General Otions -> Notifications ->
admin_notify_mchanges




It is only possible by modifying the code in the mass_subscribe() and
mass_remove() definitions in Mailman/Cgi/admin.py. Without
modification, the user notification for Mass Removal always defaults
to No and the owner notifications for Mass Subscription and Mass
Removal default to the same setting.


So wouldn't it be a good idea to introduce separate settings for both 
welcome and goodbye events, e.g.

- admin_notify_subscribes
- admin_notify_unsubscribes

Should I write a feature request for this?

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[Mailman-Users] How to set up notifications for Membership Management?

[Ulf Dunkel]

I cannot find out how I can figure the following default settings:

Membership Management:
- Mass Subscription:
  - Send welcome messages to new subscribees? (Yes)
  - Send notifications of new subscriptions to the list owner? (Yes)

- Mass Removal:
  - Send unsubscription acknowledgement to the user? (Yes)
  - Send notifications to the list owner? (No)


Whatever I set up (e.g. in "General Options"), I cannot set this 
configuration. Is it possible anyhow?


Thanks in advance for your help. :-)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to unshunt?

[Ulf Dunkel]

Hi Stephen.


On Unix, for various reasons, the current directory is normally *not*
in the search path for commands.  You need to prefix the command name
with the directory name (for current directory, you can abbreviate
that to "./") like this:

calamus:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./unshunt 


Cool - thank you for pointing me to this. Works fine. I just wonder why 
various other executables in the mailman/bin folder are executed without 
this trick, but this one doesn't.


U se
N erd's
I ntelligence
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to unshunt?

[Ulf Dunkel]

Hello Mark.


It should be. I am now out of ideas as to why bash would report

$ /var/lib/mailman/bin/unshunt
$ -bash: unshunt: command not known

Although that doesn't seem to be an exact copy/paste of the command and
response.


The litteral console output was:

- snip -
calamus:~# cd /var/lib/mailman/bin/
calamus:/var/lib/mailman/bin# unshunt
-bash: unshunt: command not found
calamus:/var/lib/mailman/bin#
- snap -



- snip -
2009-05-25 17:56:38 H=localhost (calamus.calamus.net) [127.0.0.1] 
F= temporarily 
rejected RCPT : remote 
host address is the local host

- snap -

I have really NO IDEA what this means and how I can fix it. ;-)
Both domains (calamus.net and udo-open-source.org) are on my server.



This is an exim configuration question.
 may help.

Is lists.udo-open-source.org in the "domainlist local_domains" list in
exim.conf?


Oh, it was only defined in Apache's virtual domains. Thank you for 
pointing me to this. I fixed it now.



PS: By the way: Checking the .pck contents, I see much SPAM stuff. Would 
it be okay to simply delete those .pck files and concentrate on my own 
messages in both the /retry/ and /shunt/ folders?



Yes. Just delete them.


Everything seems to run fine again. Thanks a bunch.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to unshunt?

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Hi Mark.


Does /var/lib/mailman/bin/unshunt exist and is it executable (mode
-rwxr-xr-x)?
Yes, it exists there physically (no link or stuff) and is executable 
with mode -rwxr-xr-x.



Then the #! first line points at a non-existent python, or if it says
"#! @PYTHON@", this is a file that has not been configured by
Mailman's configure - i.e it is a file unpacked from the tarball and
not processed through configure and make.


The first line reads like this:
- snip -
#! /usr/bin/python
- snap -

... and of course /usr/bin/python exists, but is a link to 
/usr/bin/python2.4 - is this okay?




The "Temporary local problem" message is reported by your MTA to
Mailman. Check the MTA's logs which may have more information.


This looks rather strange to me (identical in exim4/mainlog and 
exim4/rejectlog):

- snip -
2009-05-25 17:56:38 H=localhost (calamus.calamus.net) [127.0.0.1] 
F= temporarily 
rejected RCPT : remote 
host address is the local host

- snap -

I have really NO IDEA what this means and how I can fix it. ;-)
Both domains (calamus.net and udo-open-source.org) are on my server.



Regarding the utf8 issue, your OP says "I recently changed my Mailman
2.1.9 installation to use and support Unicode." The error occurs when
CookHeaders is trying to encode the list's 'description' for the
List-ID header. I suspect that the charset for the list's preferred
language is now utf-8, but the list's description is still iso-8859-1
or whatever and thus contains non utf-8 codes.


Thank you. I'll check these ...

PS: By the way: Checking the .pck contents, I see much SPAM stuff. Would 
it be okay to simply delete those .pck files and concentrate on my own 
messages in both the /retry/ and /shunt/ folders?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to unshunt?

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Hi Mark.


The files in qfiles/retry/ and qfiles/virgin/ are not shunted. If they
are *.pck files, they should be processed normally by RetryRunner and
VirginRunner respectively if those runners are running. If they are
*.bak files, they are 'backup' queue entries that were possibly left
behind if the runner died while processing a message. If so, they
should be reprocessed the next time the runner starts.


/qfiles/retry/ contains *.pck files.
/qfiles/virgin/ contains one *.pck.tmp file only.



Does /var/lib/mailman/bin/unshunt exist and is it executable (mode
-rwxr-xr-x)?


Yes, it exists there physically (no link or stuff) and is executable 
with mode -rwxr-xr-x.




What am I doing wrong? When I try

$ /var/lib/mailman/bin/python unshunt



Do you really have a python in /var/lib/mailman/bin or did you perhaps
mean

$ python /var/lib/mailman/bin/unshunt


Yepp, of course I meant the latter. Sorry.



Unshunt will process *.bak and *.pck files in qfiles/shunt/ first
renaming the .bak files to .pck and then attempting to restore the
.pck files to their original queue. For any .pck files it can't
requeue, it should print a "Cannot unshunt message x, skipping"
message and leave that file as a .bak in the shunt/ queue.


Sorry, but it doesn't print anything and simply quits. Afterwards, all 
existing .pck files in the shunt/ folder have been updated to the 
current date+time. That seems to be all. :-o



You can look at these files with bin/dumpdb -p to see the message and
the metadata. Each file should contain two objects, the message and
the metadata. The metadata should have a 'whichq' attribute indicating
which queue to put it in.


I can see these data for all files, seem to be fine.



Is it possible that the messages are being unshunted and then throwing
exceptions in processing and being shunted again?

What do mailman's error and smtp-failure (for retry) logs say?


error says:
---snip---
[...]
May 25 17:57:06 2009 (5320) Uncaught runner exception: 'utf8' codec 
can't decode bytes in position 30-35: unsupported Unicode code range

May 25 17:57:06 2009 (5320) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 112, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 170, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/VirginRunner.py", line 38, in 
_dispose

return IncomingRunner._dispose(self, mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in 
_dispose

more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in 
_dopipeline

sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 188, in 
process

i18ndesc = uheader(mlist, mlist.description, 'List-Id', maxlinelen=998)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 65, in 
uheader

return Header(s, charset, maxlinelen, header_name, continuation_ws)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 188, in __init__
self.append(s, charset, errors)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 272, in append
ustr = unicode(s, incodec, errors)
UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 30-35: 
unsupported Unicode code range


May 25 17:57:06 2009 (5320) SHUNTING: 
1243264080.014122+b4e9af652fe7695880609b2edfb94ed8841bbfb3

---snap---


smtp-failure says:
- snip -
[...]
May 25 17:56:38 2009 (5319) All recipients refused: 
{'udo_discussion-ow...@lists.udo-open-source.org': (451, 'Temporary 
local problem - please try later')}, msg
May 25 17:56:38 2009 (5319) delivery to 
udo_discussion-ow...@lists.udo-open-source.org failed with code 451: 
Temporary local problem - please try later

- snap -

What the heck should I do? I have no idea where else I should search for 
"wrong" utf8 stuff and what "Temporary local problem" means.


As always, Mark: I really appreciate your help. :-)

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[Mailman-Users] How to unshunt?

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I recently changed my Mailman 2.1.9 installation to use and support 
Unicode. I cannot update to a newer Mailman version as long as my Debian 
Etch hasn't been upgraded to the current Debian version, as I have been 
told by my ISP.


I have found various error reports in /var/log/mailman/error and fixed 
everything to have a usable Mailman again. But there are still many 
shunted emails in /qfiles/retry/, /qfiles/shunt/ and /qfiles/virgin/.


When I try

$ /var/lib/mailman/bin/unshunt
$ -bash: unshunt: command not known

What am I doing wrong? When I try

$ /var/lib/mailman/bin/python unshunt

it simply returns to the prompt after a while, without having proceeded 
the shunted files, as far as I can see. Is my "unshunt" kind of damaged? 
Do I miss some files?


Thanks in advance for any help,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman + apache2

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Hello Wolfgang.


I am getting confused with configurating mailman + apache2 with
virtual-domains.

[...]

Any ideas? Can anyone help?


Get familiar with the entries for default and virtual hosts in your 
mm_cfg.py.


Here is an example of how it might work with your virtual domains:

- snip -
DEFAULT_URL_HOST= 'yourdomain.tld'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST  = 'yourdomain.tld'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
HOME_PAGE   = 'index.php'

VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST,DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('yourdomain.tld','yourdomain.tld')
add_virtualhost('anotherdomain.tld','anotherdomain.tld')
add_virtualhost('yetanother.tld','yetanother.tld')
- snap -

Afterwards, you might want to run fix_url, like described here:
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030616

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting all Mailadresses of a list

[Ulf Dunkel]

Hi Wolfgang.


I need a List of all Mail-adresse which are in a mailing-list.


This cannot be done in the Mailman admin interface as long as you don't 
change the relevant HTML coding stuff.


Simply send a request to your

listname-requ...@your.domain who ListPassword

and enjoy Mailman's reply. :-)

If you need to adjust user entries, don't forget the Search field in the 
Member List section of the admin interface. ;-)


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[Mailman-Users] How to remove a damaged email address from a mailing list

[Ulf Dunkel]

When I checked my mailing list member email addresses, I came across an 
email account which contains a colon (:), which shouldn't be there of 
course.


I am quite sure that I should add some email syntax check to my own 
subscription script. But now I have this email in a list and it won't 
go, whatever I try.


It looks like this:

name:familyn...@domain.tld

How can I get rid of it?

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[Mailman-Users] Switching to UTF-8 and strange unicoded email accounts in member lists

[Ulf Dunkel]

Hello Mark et al.

Please let me note some remarks on my experiences while switching to 
UTF-8 for Mailman first:


I have now finally managed to switch my Mailman 2.1.9 to UTF-8. I found 
many helpful hints and comments in this mailing list and want to thank 
you all for your great work.


But now I ran into that miraculous email encoding error (emails listed 
with u'n...@domain.tld') which can be detected using withlist as 
recommended by Mark, running the Python commands:


$ bin/withlist listname
>>> for mem in m.getMembers():
...   print repr(m.getMemberCPAddress(mem))

This indeed listed some strange email addresses and I have NO idea why, 
except that I used to use different iso encodings for my own email 
script before.


I fixed all them by doing this:

a) mailto:listname-requ...@mydomain.tld who list-password
b) mass unsubscribed ALL members from the relevant list (quietly)
b) mass subscribed ALL members using the who reply list

Then all emails were listed properly when I re-checked everything. Now 
all lists run fine (again) and I wonder if the current stable 2.1.12 
does already have more "built-in" UTF-8 stuff. Can't wait to update my 
Debian Etch server to get my hands on the current Mailman version.


Maybe my notes can help some other Mailman users out there.

Best regards,
--Ulf Dunkel
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Greetings and Question

[Ulf Dunkel]

I would like to know if there is a simple way to download the entire list membership showing both each user's name and email address.  


Short answer: yes. ;-)

Longer answer: mailto:-requ...@domain.tld who 

HTH, Ulf Dunkel
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How-to suppress replies to mail sent tolist-subscr...@...

[Ulf Dunkel]

Hi Robert and Mark.

Doesn't the "respond_to_post_requests" (to be found in the [General 
Options] page of the admin interface) do the trick?


---snip---
Send mail to poster when their posting is held for approval?
(Edit respond_to_post_requests)
(*) No  ( ) Yes
---snap---

Just my two cents,
Ulf Dunkel
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Re: [Mailman-Users] listinfo shows wrong lists

[Ulf Dunkel]

Well, it's Python, not PHP, but essentially, yes. It checks if the
current host name is a substring of the web_page_url attribute of a
list to decide whether to show that list.


Should I file a bug?


Yes. <https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman>


Done: Bug #342162 reported by Ulf Dunkel.
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[Mailman-Users] listinfo shows wrong lists

[Ulf Dunkel]

Hi there.

I wonder if I ran into a bug with listinfo. I use several Mailman lists 
in several domains which really work fine so far.


But when you take a look at this listinfo page:
http://calamus.net/mailman/listinfo

you will see that it also lists all mailing lists which belong to 
icalamus.net by mistake.


I wonder if listinfo does a simple strpos() or stuff (didn't find or 
check the relevant sources) which would explain why "icalamus.net" is 
also shown when "calamus.net" should be listed.


Should I file a bug?

Best regards,
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