[Mailman-Users] Topics

[billc]

Where can I find out more about how to use Topics?  Nothing much came 
up in the FAQ.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] supress acknowledgment of subscription request?

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At 8:35 PM -0700 5/13/08, Mark Sapiro wrote:

If you are talking about subscribing people by email as opposed to via
the admin or command line interfaces


Yes, that's what I was after.  The web app in question is on a 
separate legacy server and has limited capabilities.  But in 
following up on your answer I was able to figure out how to do it 
with an http call from that box, and it's working perfectly.


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[Mailman-Users] supress acknowledgment of subscription request?

[billc]

Hi all,

Is it possible to supress acknowledgement of subscription requests on 
a specific list?


One list I've maintained for quite a while on another listserv system 
is for my own use only, collecting addresses of users who subscribe 
to service on our website.  The users come and go, allow their 
subscriptions to that service to lapse, etc, but I want to keep a 
cumulative list of them.  The way i've been doing it is to 
auto-subscribe them to a list.   They don't need to know that I'm 
adding them to the list.


From what I can see there's no button or checkbox to turn the return 
email off.  Is there a simple way to do so for just one list?  Is it 
possible to set it up such that any email to this one list address - 
which is fairly long and obscure and has never and will never be 
published anywhere - will get fully subscribed without confirmation 
or approval?


If it's a lot of trouble i'll just figure out an alternative method, 
probably dropping them into a database table.



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[Mailman-Users] Addresses

[billc]

I've got a couple questions about addresses:

1) I'm running virtual hosts w/apache.   On the mailman/listinfo 
pages, the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] is given, though the server 
(and the only mailman@ address that has been set up so far) is 
@mydomain.com.  Do I need to set up mailman@ addresses for all the 
other domains that have lists?  Can I forward them to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], and would that require that I then set up the 
mailman list to also accept mail for [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], etc?  Is there a better way?


2) Are both listname-join and listname-subscribe needed?  Is there a 
way I can alias one to the other and cut down on the number of 
addresses required?  If not, can this be something to work into the 
wishlist?  It seems mighty redundant, and it's annoying when you're 
setting up a bunch of lists.   Similar with listname-leave and 
listname-unsubscribe.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Am I correct that mailman will work with a remote SmartHost?

[billc]

At 9:50 PM -0500 4/9/08, Brad Knowles wrote:
>
>Keep in mind that you still need to have some way to get the mail
>*into* Mailman, and you need some way to update the aliases that tell
>the MTA what mailing lists exist and what command should be run as a
>result.

I set mine up last month and used Fetchmail to pull the messages from 
remote mailboxes and dump them into Mailman.  It's working great.

I set up Postfix on the host machine but turned off SMTP access from 
anything but localhost.  I suspect I could probably eliminate Postfix 
entirely and simply relay from Mailman to a smarthost, but I haven't 
gotten to that yet.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] details to finish up

[billc]

At 7:58 AM -0700 3/29/08, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>billc wrote:
>>
>>Public archives aren't visible. I'm getting a permssions error.
>
>What's the message in your web server's error_log?
>

Got it fixed.

There's a cgi that I apply to all .html files, and specifies that 
they must be in in my web files directory. 
/usr/local/mailman/archives lies outside that directory, therefore 
they were not allowed.  I just needed to add the archives directory 
to those allowed and it started working fine.

Of course, I figured that after doing all the other changes you 
suggested - which probably needed to be done anyway.

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[Mailman-Users] details to finish up

[billc]

I've got just one hopefully minor thing to finish up:

Public archives aren't visible. I'm getting a permssions error.  I 
currently have:

drwxrwx--x  9 billc  mailman  306 27 Mar 15:26 private

   drwxrwxr-x  9 root   mailman  306 27 Mar 03:27 discussion
   drwxrwxr-x  3 root   mailman  102 27 Mar 02:08 discussion.mbox
   drwxrwsr-x  3 root   mailman  102 23 Mar 12:07 mailman
   drwxrwsr-x  2 root   mailman   68 23 Mar 12:07 mailman.mbox
   drwxrwsr-x  9 billc  mailman  306 24 Mar 03:27 testlist
   drwxrwsr-x  3 billc  mailman  102 24 Mar 01:51 testlist.mbox

drwxrwsr-x  5 billc  mailman  170 27 Mar 15:26 public

   lrwxr-xr-x  1 billc  mailman  46 27 Mar 15:13 discussion -> 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/discussion
   lrwxr-xr-x  1 billc  mailman  44 23 Mar 12:59 testlist -> 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/testlist

I"m also getting:

Warning: Private archive directory is other-executable (o+x).
  This could allow other users on your system to read private archives.
  If you're on a shared multiuser system, you should consult the
  installation manual on how to fix this.

when running check_perms.

What *should* they be?

All else is working great.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] creating new virtual lists

[billc]

At 12:57 PM -0700 3/27/08, Dragon wrote:
>

>OK, you should NEVER edit Defaults.py
>
>You put any overrides of any default values in mm_cfg.py
>
>The reason for this is that Defaults.py gets overwritten on an
>upgrade of the mailman code while mm_cfg.py does not.

Got it.  I'm familiar with this type of organization from other 
software packages we run.

>That is default_member_moderation setting on the Privacy Options ->
>Sender Filters page.

Great.

>
>You will also want to look at the settings for
>member_moderation_action and member_moderation_notice while you are
there to set them as appropriate.

Thanks

At 1:04 PM -0700 3/27/08, Dragon wrote:
>billc sent the message below at 12:48 3/27/2008:
>  >At 3:12 PM -0400 3/27/08, Charles Marcus wrote:
>
>  >No, the mail is delivered to a Gmail account and pulled down from
>>there using Fetchmail and dropped into Mailman.  No CCs or BCCs.
>>
>>I *did* have to do some extra backflips with Gmail, as I currently
>>have to wait 5 days before I can recreate the correct account name  -
>>I have discusion@ set up as an email list which forwards to
>>discussion2@ until Gmail lets me out of the penalty box for having
>>just deleted an account named [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Perhaps that's where the
>>problem lies.
>>
>>Hopefully I'll be able to get that one to go away in 5 days.
>>
> End original message. -
>
>Umm... why on earth are you doing that? It sounds convoluted and
>unnecessary to me (in fact, I think it is downright weird).

Yes, i admit it is definitely convoluted and wierd.  (feel free to 
skip this section if the glaze factor sets in)

The problem stems from the fact that I'm setting this up to take over 
the function of an existing list (the previous host went out of 
business, rather quickly).  Since I didn't have Mailman set up and 
running I created a temporary list on my antiquated listserv 
software.  All mail for this domain is run through Gmail, as is mail 
for most of our other domains as we were getting absolutely pounded 
by the spambots (we caught a lot of spam, but there were so many 
bogus attempts to send mail that our servers were unable to say "go 
away" fast enough, and just the connections/rejections traffic was 
clogging our bandwidth up.  Gmail has the computational firepower to 
deal with that - we don't).  This is also the reason I'm using 
Fetchmail rather than forwarding or otherwise redirecting list mail 
to the Postfix server on the Mailman machine - shortly after I turned 
Postfix on to receive SMTP from non-localhost sources, I started 
seeing the spambots knocking on the door again.

So I created an account that forwarded list mail to the temp listserv.

After installing and testing Mailman it was time to test it with the 
real domain name and real emails.  I deleted the account and 
recreated it as a Gmail "list" (basically a forwarding - only 
account) which unlike their standard accounts has the ability to 
forward to more than one address (the temp list and the test list).

Now that the bugs are pretty much worked out with the virtual 
hosting, I went back to recreate the list account.  But Gmail 
requires a "waiting period" of 5 days before you can recreate an 
account that you've deleted.   So now I've got a temporarily messy 
and convoluted path that list mail will go through to get to Mailman:

  Gmail "list" =>  temp listserv => list members (to be discontinued soon)
   => Gmail temp account => Fetchmail => Mailman =>list 
members (to be switched on soon)

When Gmail lets me, it'll look like this instead:

Gmail account (the list address) => Fetchmail => Mailman =>list members

>
>The list address must appear in the To: or CC: header of the e-mail
>delivered to mailman or an acceptable list alias can be present. The
>only other option is to have require_explicit_destination set to NO
>(which is not recommended).
>
>Probably the best way to deal with this in your case with this weird
>configuration is to have the gmail address you are sending to added
>to acceptable_aliases on the Privacy Options -> Recipient filters page.

Got it.  Thanks.  I've put in some acceptable aliases, and I suspect 
that'll do the trick.

And as an aside: you've got a convert on your hands.  Although I'm 
not fond of the need for multiple addresses for 
subscribe/unsubscribe/etc, there are lots of other things I DO like 
about Mailman, and I'm pretty sure that I'll be creating all my 
future lists using it - and probably moving my existing lists off the 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] creating new virtual lists

[billc]

At 3:12 PM -0400 3/27/08, Charles Marcus wrote:
>On 3/27/2008, billc ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>  Reason:  Message has implicit destination
>>
>>What does that mean?
>
>The list address needs to be in either the To or CC field - its 
>probably BCC'd...

No, the mail is delivered to a Gmail account and pulled down from 
there using Fetchmail and dropped into Mailman.  No CCs or BCCs.

I *did* have to do some extra backflips with Gmail, as I currently 
have to wait 5 days before I can recreate the correct account name  - 
I have discusion@ set up as an email list which forwards to 
discussion2@ until Gmail lets me out of the penalty box for having 
just deleted an account named [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Perhaps that's where the 
problem lies.

Hopefully I'll be able to get that one to go away in 5 days.


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[Mailman-Users] creating new virtual lists

[billc]

Hi again,

I'm still having a little trouble with virtual hosts, but most of it 
is now working properly.  Thanks for all the assistance.

What's the correct syntax for Virtual_Hosts {} in Defaults.py? I keep 
getting errors when I try to put something there.

I need to set moderation of new accounts (including any which are 
subscribed and confirmed from here forward) to OFF.  Where is that 
setting? I see the one to toggle moderation on/off for all current 
subscribers on the main Membership List page, but that doesn't appear 
to affect new subscribers.

Despite "Mod" being unchecked, all posts from my test subscribers 
result in an email to the list admin with:

As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:

 List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: And another test
 Reason:  Message has implicit destination

What does that mean?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Still sticking: gmail => fetchmail => mailman =>postfix

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At 6:50 AM -0700 3/19/08, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>billc wrote:
>>
>>I'm assuming that the problem is with the fetchmail => mailman link.
>>Is there another way to test the mailman => postfix link, such as
>>manually inserting a list post to be processed?
>
>
>Is Mailman running? Do you receive any mail from Mailman - e.g., list
>created notices to the owner?

Yes and yes.  Subscription and list creation messages come through fine.

>
>See
><http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.078.htp>

Ok, will go through these steps.

>
>If the fetchmail -> mailman link works, the messages should get at
>least as far as Mailman's in/ queue.
>

nothing in any of the mailman/qfiles folders.


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[Mailman-Users] Still sticking: gmail => fetchmail => mailman => postfix

[billc]

After a reinstall, it appears that most of the earlier problems have cleared.

Creation of new lists and new subscriptions results in the proper 
sending of notices through Postfix.

Running Fetchmail appears to download mail, but it never gets sent out.

I've tried a number of variations of fetchmailrc including:

poll pop.gmail.com with protocol POP3 port 995
username "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"  there with password "xxx"
is "testlist" here
and options ssl  sslcertck  sslcertpath  /usr/local/certs

with

testlist: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist"

in /etc/aliases

as well as:

poll pop.gmail.com with protocol POP3 port 995
username "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"  there with password "xxx"
and options ssl  sslcertck  sslcertpath  /usr/local/certs
mda "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist"

and for good measure:

poll pop.gmail.com with protocol POP3 port 995
username "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"  there with password "xxx"
is "testlist" here
and options ssl  sslcertck  sslcertpath  /usr/local/certs
mda "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist"


with testlist: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist"

in /etc/aliases

The aliasing appears to work in a separate test as well.

I'm assuming that the problem is with the fetchmail => mailman link. 
Is there another way to test the mailman => postfix link, such as 
manually inserting a list post to be processed?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] fetchmail with gmail to mailman

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At 12:58 PM -0700 3/17/08, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>billc wrote:
>>
>>No, no --exec-prefix, and I don't see any glaring errors in the
>>install log.  Some permissions issues on language files was pretty
>>much all.
>>
>>But I'll try again, just to make sure.
>
>
>It should be enough to just run 'make install' in the unpack src/
>directory (or maybe just copy the built 'mailman' executable from
>there to /usr/local/mailman/mail/ after 'rmdir
>/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman', but what else is missing?)
>

Right.  So probably safer to reinstall.  Which I did.  That appears 
to have repaired the problem of  /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman 
previously being a directory.

Now when attempting to create the original 'mailman' list, i'm getting

illegal name [EMAIL PROTECTED]

despite having the same stuff in default.py and mm_cfg.py as 
previously (explicitly set to ns2.greenbuilder.com) and even when 
specifying the list name in the newlist command as 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Argh!  What am I missing here?



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Re: [Mailman-Users] fetchmail with gmail to mailman

[billc]

At 12:03 PM -0700 3/17/08, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>  >I'm still getting
>>
>>  /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman is a directory
>>
>>Which it is.  An empty one, at that.
>
>
>It shouldn't be. It should be an executable binary something like
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ls -l /usr/local/mailman/mail
>total 20
>-rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 16804 Mar 13 16:59 mailman*
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$
>
>If it isn't, something went wrong in your configure - make install or
>you specified --exec-prefix other than /usr/local/mailman to configure.
>

No, no --exec-prefix, and I don't see any glaring errors in the 
install log.  Some permissions issues on language files was pretty 
much all.

But I'll try again, just to make sure.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] fetchmail with gmail to mailman

[billc]

At 11:18 AM -0700 3/17/08, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>billc wrote:
>>
>>Let me know if I should be asking this on a fetchmail list instead,
>>but I think the part where i'm stuck is with the
>>
>>  mda "/usr/local/mailman post testlist"
>>
>>When I run this manually instead of as a daemon, it appears to be
>>looking for the mailman app, not the folder.  Where should I be
>>pointing that?  This is a standard 2.1.9 install from source code
>>into /usr/local/mailman.
>
>
>You should be pointing at the wrapper
>
>   mda "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist"
>

I'm still getting

/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman is a directory

Which it is.  An empty one, at that.


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[Mailman-Users] fetchmail with gmail to mailman

[billc]

Hi all,

I was hoping to not have to ask this, but I'm stumped.

I'm setting up fetchmail to pull mail from a Gmail  account (taking 
advantage of their spam filtering) and dump it into mailman.  That 
way I can avoid opening up Postfix as a POP, and just use it for the 
SMTP out portion (which appears to be working fine).

In fetchmailrc I have:

poll pop.gmail.com with protocol POP3 port 995 
username 
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
there with password "" is "mailman" here and options ssl 
sslcertck  sslcertpath  /usr/local/certs mda "/usr/local/mailman post 
testlist" set daemon 60

Let me know if I should be asking this on a fetchmail list instead, 
but I think the part where i'm stuck is with the

mda "/usr/local/mailman post testlist"

When I run this manually instead of as a daemon, it appears to be 
looking for the mailman app, not the folder.  Where should I be 
pointing that?  This is a standard 2.1.9 install from source code 
into /usr/local/mailman.

And as long as I'm asking, do I really need the "sslcertck 
sslcertpath  /usr/local/certs" part in there?  The post I based my 
poll on at 
 
didn't have that, but other instructions I found elsewhere relating 
specifically to Gmail did, so I figured I'd be safe and include it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] installation - which files linked from http?

[billc]

At 10:37 AM -0800 3/12/08, Carl Zwanzig wrote:
>In a flurry of recycled electrons, billc wrote:
>>  Now I'm seeing:
>>
>>  Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the CGI
>[...]
>
>That would be a FAQ (which means you're almost there)-
>
>>  Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>  > Searchable Archives: 
>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>

Great, thanks.  That end of things is working now.  On to fun with Postfix...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] installation - which files linked from http?

[billc]

At 7:55 AM -0700 3/12/08, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>billc wrote:
>>
>>Yes, apache2 with Postfix.
>>
>>Ok, that makes sense now.  Apache and Postfix have been restarted,
>>but unfortunately I'm not connecting.
>>
>>Mailman list has been created.
>>Testlist and testlist2 have been created.
>>All three are in archives/private/
>>The "Your new mailing list: testlist2" email was sent and received.
>>
>>I'm getting /mailman/admin/testlist2 was not found on this server,
>>and similar for all other URLs I've attempted.
>>
>>I'm running virtual domains, in case that makes a difference.
>
>
>Do you have the proper
>
>ScriptAlias /mailman/ /correct/path/
>
>in your httpd.conf where it will apply to this host?
>
>And what's in your Apache error_log?
>
>See <http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node10.html>.
>


Well, that's progress.  I found that I had a typo in the script alias 
path.  I've got all the rest of the stuff from that section in place.

Now I'm seeing:

Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the CGI
wrapper script to be executed as group "www", but
the system's web server executed the CGI script as
group "nogroup".  Try tweaking the web server to run the
script as group "www", or re-run configure,
providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=nogroup'

The only thing I see in the apache config regarding group is



User nobody
Group #-1



I'm not running winnt.c or netware.c, so I assume that means I'm 
defaulting to User nobody and Group #-1.

Would it be a better option to re-run config with the nogroup option, 
or put something in the apache config (and if the latter, what should 
it be?)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] installation - which files linked from http?

[billc]

At 6:48 AM -0700 3/11/08, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>billc wrote:
>>
>>It isn't clear to me which files in my Mailman directory get
>>symlinked from my http directory.
>
>
>Assuming you are using Apache or some similar web server, the answer is
>none. The archives have static HTML pages which may, in the case of a
>public archive, by accessed via something like (for Apache)
>
>Alias   /pipermail/ /path/to/mailman/archives/public/
>
>Everything else is served by CGI scripts which are accessed via
>wrappers via something like (for Apache)
>
>ScriptAlias /mailman/   /path/to/mailman/cgi-bin/
>

Yes, apache2 with Postfix.

Ok, that makes sense now.  Apache and Postfix have been restarted, 
but unfortunately I'm not connecting.

Mailman list has been created.
Testlist and testlist2 have been created.
All three are in archives/private/
The "Your new mailing list: testlist2" email was sent and received.

I'm getting /mailman/admin/testlist2 was not found on this server, 
and similar for all other URLs I've attempted.

I'm running virtual domains, in case that makes a difference.

Obviously I'm missing something somewhere.  Any clues gladly welcomed.


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[Mailman-Users] installation - which files linked from http?

[billc]

Hi folks,

Mailman is installed and running, but Newbie question:

It isn't clear to me which files in my Mailman directory get 
symlinked from my http directory.

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