Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?

2005-07-28 Thread roy vinner
Hi John,

I appreciate your quick response!

John Dennis wrote:

 On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 16:28 -0500, roy vinner wrote:
 
Greetings!

I have a problem that any address which is supposed to be resolved with
the path-to-mailman/data/aliases produces a message undeliverable error.

I've also discovered that if I run an alias expansion from the command line

aliases:
..
# STANZA START: try
# CREATED: Mon Jul 25 17:19:03 2005
try: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post try
try-admin:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin try
try-bounces: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces try
try-confirm: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm try
try-join:|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join try
try-leave:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave try
try-owner:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner try
try-request: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request try
try-subscribe:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe try
try-unsubscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe try
# STANZA END: try
..

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman-2.1.6]$ /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request try
Failure to find group name mailman.  Try adding this group
to your system, or re-run configure, providing an
existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid.

I have re-run mailman's configure as requested by the above message and
group mailman does exist on my machine. I am clueless as to what is awry
here with postfix aliases? Is this a postfix or mailman problem?

Let me know if you need any more information for logs or config files.
 
 
 There are two immediate things to check:
 
 1) I know you said it, but please verify the mailman uid and gid:
 
 # id mailman

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]$ id mailman
uid=505(mailman) gid=407(mailman)
groups=407(mailman),73(apache),503(nrgweb),504(roy),422(www)

 2) Postfix has a feature which is it will run the commands found in an
 alias file under the identity of the alias file. What is the owner/group
 of the alias file:
 
 # ls -l path-to-mailman/data/aliases

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]$ ls -l data/aliases
-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman 2682 Jul 28 11:35 data/aliases


 if its group does not match what the mailman wrapper is configured for
 you'll get group mismatch problems because postfix will attempt to run
 the mailman alias commands under the group belonging to the alias file,
 not to the mail_owner in postfix's main.cf file. I think I recall a
 config variable to turn the postfix behavior off, but you should not do
 that because mailman should be creating the alias file and hence it
 should match the uid/gid, but if you hand created it, then all bets are
 off.

I re-configured mailman with all defaults (I created a group www with
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]$ id www
uid=506(www) gid=422(www) groups=422(www),503(nrgweb),504(roy),407(mailman)

Does this information help you? I am still clueless...

Roy



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?

2005-07-28 Thread roy vinner
Hi Jan,

Jan Kohnert wrote:

...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman-2.1.6]$ /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request try
Failure to find group name mailman.  Try adding this group
to your system, or re-run configure, providing an
existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid.
 
 
 This message says it all. Why not adding group mailman to your system? Be 
 sure 
 gid is set to the gid of your mailman installation.

Well, I had added the group mailman before configuring mailman, as per 
installation instructions.
It is there, and I can see it with a gui interface (I run Mandrake 
10.1). But, for some reason, mailman cannot find it.

If you have any leads as to why, I'll provide with any necessary 
information.

Thank you for your time and help!

Roy
 
Thank you for your suggestions.
 
 
 HTH,
 
 
Thankfully,
Roy
 
 
 Best regards Jan
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?

2005-07-28 Thread roy vinner
Mark Sapiro wrote:

...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman-2.1.6]$ /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request try
Failure to find group name mailman.  Try adding this group
to your system, or re-run configure, providing an
existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid.
 
 
 
 Running this from the command line is not necessarily a valid test. The
 wrapper (/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman) exects to be run by the MTA
 with the group that was configured by ./configure. This is almost
 always not the 'mailman' group. See
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.016.htp

I see. So, would setting -mail-gid=postfix instead of mailman be a 
reasonable solution to the problem? Does this setting change whether or 
not postfix runs chrooted or not?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?

2005-07-28 Thread roy vinner
Mark Sapiro wrote:

 roy vinner 
 
 
Mark Sapiro wrote:


Running this from the command line is not necessarily a valid test. The
wrapper (/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman) exects to be run by the MTA
with the group that was configured by ./configure. This is almost
always not the 'mailman' group. See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.016.htp

I see. So, would setting -mail-gid=postfix instead of mailman be a 
reasonable solution to the problem? Does this setting change whether or 
not postfix runs chrooted or not?
 
 
 It would be a solution IF postfix executes the pipe to the wrapper as
 group 'postfix'. As far as I know, this group can be configured in
 postfix, but I don't know the exact method. I also don't know how this
 is affected by running postfix chrooted.

Okay, let's leave postfix alone :-)


 The thing that must be true is that whatever group postfix uses to
 execute the pipe to the wrapper must be the same as the
 --with-mail-gid= setting given to configure.

I originally compiled it with -mail-gid=mailmal (the first value in the 
default list).


 The same is true of the group that the web server uses to execute the
 cgi-bin wrappers and the --with-cgi-gid= given to configure.

I created a group www -- which included apache, mailman, and myself -- 
and set -cgi-gid=www.
The apache would not run the mailman/create, as it was complaining that 
it could not run as www (even though apache was included in ). So I 
set -cgi-gid=mailman and set user and group in apache to mailman. I 
don't know what was wrong there, but it looks like I am having a similar 
issue here.

 See http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node7.html

I remember that web page. I re-ran configure several times by now. Do I 
also need to run make and make install after that to make changes 
persist in /usr/local/mailman? I haven't done that, 'cause I am afraid 
that the changes that I made to various files would be overwritten.

Please, let me know what the reality on this is. I am quite happy to 
have mail-gid=mailman and cgi-gid=apache, if I could make it work that way.

Thank you for your support!

Best regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?

2005-07-28 Thread Roy Vinner
Mark Sapiro wrote:
 roy vinner wrote:
 
I created a group www -- which included apache, mailman, and myself -- 
and set -cgi-gid=www.
The apache would not run the mailman/create, as it was complaining that 
it could not run as www (even though apache was included in ). So I 
set -cgi-gid=mailman and set user and group in apache to mailman. I 
don't know what was wrong there, but it looks like I am having a similar 
issue here.
 
 
 
 The 'mailman' user should be in the 'mailman' group (not in www) and
 all mailman files, including particularly the mail/mailman wrapper and
 the cgi-bin/* wrappers should be group mailman and setgid.
 
 Run
 
 bin/check_perms -f
 
 as root until it reports no errors.

I does run without any errors. Thanks!


See http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node7.html

I remember that web page. I re-ran configure several times by now. Do I 
also need to run make and make install after that to make changes 
persist in /usr/local/mailman? I haven't done that, 'cause I am afraid 
that the changes that I made to various files would be overwritten.

Please, let me know what the reality on this is. I am quite happy to 
have mail-gid=mailman and cgi-gid=apache, if I could make it work that way.
 
 
 
 --with-mail-gid= needs to be set to the group that postfix uses to pipe
 mail to the mail/mailman wrapper.
 
 --with-cgi-gid= needs to be set to the group that apache uses to
 execute the cgi-bin wrappers. This group is set in the Apache config
 with the Group directive, so if the apache config contains
 
 Group apache
 
 then Mailman must be configured using --with-cgi-gid=apache
 
 OTOH, if Mailman is configured using --with-cgi-gid=somethingelse this
 can work too if the apache config contains
 
 Group somethingelse
 
 The analagous situation is true with postfix and --with-mail-gid except
 I can't offhand tell you how to set group in postfix.

So, after I've set the -with-cgi-gid=apache and 
--with-mail-gid=mailman and rerun configure, will I need also to 
re-run make and make install? That will be a job for tomorrow...

Thank you for your support!

Best regards,
Roy

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Incoming messages are not received in Mailman+Postfix

2005-07-27 Thread roy vinner
The issue was due to a local network firewall's blocking the IP address 
from outside the network. I had not been aware of its existence. Now the 
issue is fixed.

Thank you and John for your suggestions.

Gratefully,
Roy

Mark Sapiro wrote:

 roy vinner wrote:
 
yes. I've tried sending me after this and it is still not coming 
through. Let me know if I should continue this on the postfix list, or 
install sendmail, or whatever.
 
 
 There should by no need to use Sendmail rather than Postfix. Lots of
 sites have Mailman working with Postfix.
 
 If postfix works in general for sending and receiving non-Mailman mail,
 there may be a Mailman issue of some kind.
 
 There may be an issue with aliases.db not being updated along with
 aliases. Your aliases file looked good in your original post. Is
 aliases.db being udated when you add lists? If not, check that it is
 both owner and group writable and that POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD is set to the
 correct path in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py. If this is all OK, then a
 Postfix list is probably where you should take this.
 
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[Mailman-Users] apache and mailman

2005-07-27 Thread roy vinner
Greetings!

Which settings are there to tweak so that apache set
with group=apache can still run mailman? creating a group web with no
such user and mailman and apache in it did not do the job.

Thanks for any input.

Roy





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Re: [Mailman-Users] Incoming messages are not received in Mailman+ Postfix

2005-07-26 Thread roy vinner
John Dennis wrote:

 On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 18:50 -0500, roy vinner wrote:
 
Greetings!

I am having a problem with receiving any mail by the web server. On the 
other hand, outgoing mail is deliver okay. I suspect that it may be due 
to a misconfigured postfix.
 
 
 I'm sorry, but this does not make sense, perhaps its vocabulary. One
 never receives mail via a web server. I think what you're trying to say
 is that if someone attempts to send mail to your SMTP server (postfix)
 it fails, correct? 

You are right. I way saying 'receiving mail via a web server' because
any mail sent to that machine should be processed there. There is no
other dedicated mail server which would do a job for it
like(host.domain.com for the server and mail.host.domain.com for the
mail server).

If so make sure your SMTP server is listening for
 outside connectons:
 
 inet_interfaces = $myhostname, localhost
 
 Make sure your local_recipient_maps is correctly configured, you can
 turn it off this way for now:
 
 local_recipient_maps =

I've done both and rebooted the computer.

 Make sure your firewall is passing port 25 (SMTP)
 
 Then from another machine try this (replace mymachine.mynetwork with
 your DNS address):
 
 % telnet mymachine.mynetwork.com 25

I tried 'ping'ing and received no answer for 128.252.27.164 .

My system admin tested it and reported that nothing is listening on
that port:
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] telnet nrg.wustl.edu 25
Trying 128.252.27.164...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


 Does postfix answer?

So, what should I do next?

Roy



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Incoming messages are not received in Mailman+ Postfix

2005-07-26 Thread roy vinner
John Dennis wrote:
 On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 10:17 -0500, roy vinner wrote:
 
I tried 'ping'ing and received no answer for 128.252.27.164 .

My system admin tested it and reported that nothing is listening on
that port:
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] telnet nrg.wustl.edu 25
Trying 128.252.27.164...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 
 BTW, this really isn't a mailman issue, its postfix, its best to move
 this discussion to a postfix list or better yet visit www.postfix.org
 and read their doc. But let me give you one last set of suggestions:

Very much appreciated. I've installed and run pmfirewall and opened port 
25 for both tcp and udp. Thank you for sticking up with me thus far :-).

 Connection refused typically means the port you're trying to connect to
 (port 25) is blocked by a firewall. It can be blocked in a variety of
 places, either on the machine you're running the server on or by any
 other router in between. 
 
 BTW, connection refused does not mean nothing is listening on the port.
 
 To see if something is listening on the port you must go the local
 machine the server is running and either try to connect locally
 
 # telnet localhost 25

telnet localhost 25
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to nrg.wustl.edu (127.0.0.1).
Escape character is '^]'.
220 nrg.wustl.edu ESMTP Postfix (2.1.4) (Mandrake Linux)
hello
502 Error: command not implemented
helo
501 Syntax: HELO hostname
helo nrg
250 nrg.wustl.edu

 
 -or-
 
 examine who is listening on the port using any of a variety of
 networking utilities, such as:
 
 # netstat -l -n | grep :25
 
 or
 
 # netstat -l | grep smtp
 
 Using the first example:
 
 # netstat -l -n | grep :25
 tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:250.0.0.0:*   
 LISTEN
 tcp0  0 192.168.0.0:25  0.0.0.0:*   
 LISTEN
 
 This says port 25 is being listened on the localhost (loopback) because
 your loopback is 127.0.0.1 and its listening on 192.168.0.0 which is
 192.168.0.0 (ficticious net addr).

My output is:
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:250.0.0.0:* LISTEN 


 If nothing is listening on the external interface, then is postfix
 running? If so did you restart it after modify inet_interfaces to
 include the external interface?
 
yes. I've tried sending me after this and it is still not coming 
through. Let me know if I should continue this on the postfix list, or 
install sendmail, or whatever.

Many thanks for your assistance!

Roy

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Incoming messages are not received in Mailman+ Postfix

2005-07-26 Thread roy vinner


John Dennis wrote:

 On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 12:56 -0500, roy vinner wrote:
 
My output is:
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:250.0.0.0:* LISTEN 

snipped
 The output above is saying you're only listening on your local
 interface, thats a problem, nobody can connect to you. Postfix's
 inet_interfaces parameter is what controls what postfix listens to. To
 see your current postfix configuration do this:
 
 % postconf
 
 it will print out every postfix configuration parameter, look for
 inet_interfaces, for example my configuration is:
 
 inet_interfaces = $myhostname, localhost
 
 if you only have localhost thats the problem. If you include $myhostname
 (anything with $ in front is a postfix variable) look for the value of
 $myhostname in postconf's output, it should be your machine.

Okay, I've got
$postconf | grep host
address_verify_relayhost = $relayhost
inet_interfaces = $myhostname,localhost
invalid_hostname_reject_code = 501
local_transport = local:$myhostname
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost
myhostname = nrg.wustl.edu
mynetworks_style = host
myorigin = $myhostname
relayhost =
smtp_helo_name = $myhostname
smtp_host_lookup = dns
smtpd_authorized_xclient_hosts =
smtpd_authorized_xforward_hosts =
smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name ($mail_version) (Mandrake Linux)
smtpd_proxy_ehlo = $myhostname
unknown_hostname_reject_code = 450
$

There's a line there setting myhostname = nrg.wustl.edu, which is a 
symbolic name for my host. Is the order in which these appear incorrect, 
or there's something else?

Thankfully,
Roy

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[Mailman-Users] Incoming messages are not received in Mailman + Postfix

2005-07-25 Thread roy vinner
Greetings!

I am having a problem with receiving any mail by the web server. On the 
other hand, outgoing mail is deliver okay. I suspect that it may be due 
to a misconfigured postfix.

I have tried all of the steps in the faq without any avail:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.014.htp
.

I've installed Mailman 2.1.6 from source on Mandrake 10.1 and followed 
the instructions for Mailman+ Postfix. I have also checked all the logs 
as per the faq entry and syslog: all of them seem to be fine.

Any help will be appreciated.

Roy

My files are below.

aliases:
# This file is generated by Mailman, and is kept in sync with the
# binary hash file aliases.db.  YOU SHOULD NOT MANUALLY EDIT THIS FILE
# unless you know what you're doing, and can keep the two files properly
# in sync.  If you screw it up, you're on your own.

# The ultimate loop stopper address
mailman-loop: /usr/local/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox

# STANZA START: mailman
# CREATED: Mon Jul 25 17:19:03 2005
mailman: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman
mailman-admin:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman
mailman-bounces: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman
mailman-confirm: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman
mailman-join:|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman
mailman-leave:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman
mailman-owner:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman
mailman-request: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman
mailman-subscribe:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman
mailman-unsubscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman
# STANZA END: mailman

# STANZA START: dan_test
# CREATED: Mon Jul 25 17:19:03 2005
dan_test: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post dan_test
dan_test-admin:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin dan_test
dan_test-bounces: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces dan_test
dan_test-confirm: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm dan_test
dan_test-join:|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join dan_test
dan_test-leave:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave dan_test
dan_test-owner:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner dan_test
dan_test-request: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request dan_test
dan_test-subscribe:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe dan_test
dan_test-unsubscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe 
dan_test
# STANZA END: dan_test

# STANZA START: try
# CREATED: Mon Jul 25 17:19:03 2005
try: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post try
try-admin:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin try
try-bounces: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces try
try-confirm: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm try
try-join:|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join try
try-leave:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave try
try-owner:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner try
try-request: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request try
try-subscribe:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe try
try-unsubscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe try
# STANZA END: try

virtual-mail:
mailman.nrg.wustl.edu  IGNORE
@mailman.nrg.wustl.edu @nrg.wustl.edu

virtusertable:
##
## Example virtusertable for use with a Mailman site running mm-handler.
##
## $Id: virtusertable,v 1.1 2001/10/27 02:30:51 bwarsaw Exp $
##

##
## My server's hostname is nospam, but we don't honor that as a
## Mailman mail domain. Anything @nospam.uchicago.edu should be
## forwarded to our master Mailman admin address.
##
[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]

@mailman.nrg.wustl.edu[EMAIL PROTECTED]

##
## Redirect mail to the standard Mailman admin addresses to the
## master admin address. (Midway.uchicago.edu is our site's central
## mail-routing server, and it carries aliases for maintenance groups.
## Not a good plan to entrust Mailman maintenance mail to Mailman.)
##
[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]

##
## These addresses are required or recommended either by convention
## or by RFC 2142, Mailbox Names for Common Services, Roles and
## Functions. Honor them.
##
[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]


main.cf:
# These are only the parameters changed from a default install
# see /etc/postfix/main.cf.dist for a commented, fuller version of this 
file.

# These are changed by postfix install script
readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.1.4/README_FILES
sample_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.1.4/samples
html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.1.4/html
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix
setgid_group = postdrop
command_directory = /usr/sbin
manpage_directory = /usr/share/man
daemon_directory = 

Re: [Mailman-Users] Incoming messages are not received in Mailman +Postfix

2005-07-25 Thread Roy Vinner
PS. I have no sendmail.cf file in my installation, since I am 
using postfix. I don't know if it matters. If it does, I may have 
to install sendmail.

Roy

roy vinner wrote:
 Greetings!
 
 I am having a problem with receiving any mail by the web server. On the 
 other hand, outgoing mail is deliver okay. I suspect that it may be due 
 to a misconfigured postfix.
 
 I have tried all of the steps in the faq without any avail:
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.014.htp
 .
 
 I've installed Mailman 2.1.6 from source on Mandrake 10.1 and followed 
 the instructions for Mailman+ Postfix. I have also checked all the logs 
 as per the faq entry and syslog: all of them seem to be fine.
 
 Any help will be appreciated.
 
 Roy
 
 My files are below.
 
 aliases:
 # This file is generated by Mailman, and is kept in sync with the
 # binary hash file aliases.db.  YOU SHOULD NOT MANUALLY EDIT THIS FILE
 # unless you know what you're doing, and can keep the two files properly
 # in sync.  If you screw it up, you're on your own.
 
 # The ultimate loop stopper address
 mailman-loop: /usr/local/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox
 
 # STANZA START: mailman
 # CREATED: Mon Jul 25 17:19:03 2005
 mailman: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman
 mailman-admin:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman
 mailman-bounces: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman
 mailman-confirm: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman
 mailman-join:|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman
 mailman-leave:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman
 mailman-owner:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman
 mailman-request: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman
 mailman-subscribe:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman
 mailman-unsubscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman
 # STANZA END: mailman
 
 # STANZA START: dan_test
 # CREATED: Mon Jul 25 17:19:03 2005
 dan_test: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post dan_test
 dan_test-admin:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin dan_test
 dan_test-bounces: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces dan_test
 dan_test-confirm: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm dan_test
 dan_test-join:|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join dan_test
 dan_test-leave:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave dan_test
 dan_test-owner:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner dan_test
 dan_test-request: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request dan_test
 dan_test-subscribe:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe dan_test
 dan_test-unsubscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe 
 dan_test
 # STANZA END: dan_test
 
 # STANZA START: try
 # CREATED: Mon Jul 25 17:19:03 2005
 try: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post try
 try-admin:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin try
 try-bounces: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces try
 try-confirm: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm try
 try-join:|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join try
 try-leave:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave try
 try-owner:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner try
 try-request: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request try
 try-subscribe:   |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe try
 try-unsubscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe try
 # STANZA END: try
 
 virtual-mail:
 mailman.nrg.wustl.edu  IGNORE
 @mailman.nrg.wustl.edu @nrg.wustl.edu
 
 virtusertable:
 ##
 ## Example virtusertable for use with a Mailman site running mm-handler.
 ##
 ## $Id: virtusertable,v 1.1 2001/10/27 02:30:51 bwarsaw Exp $
 ##
 
 ##
 ## My server's hostname is nospam, but we don't honor that as a
 ## Mailman mail domain. Anything @nospam.uchicago.edu should be
 ## forwarded to our master Mailman admin address.
 ##
 [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 @mailman.nrg.wustl.edu[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 ##
 ## Redirect mail to the standard Mailman admin addresses to the
 ## master admin address. (Midway.uchicago.edu is our site's central
 ## mail-routing server, and it carries aliases for maintenance groups.
 ## Not a good plan to entrust Mailman maintenance mail to Mailman.)
 ##
 [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 ##
 ## These addresses are required or recommended either by convention
 ## or by RFC 2142, Mailbox Names for Common Services, Roles and
 ## Functions. Honor them.
 ##
 [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 main.cf:
 # These are only the parameters changed from a default install
 # see /etc/postfix/main.cf.dist for a commented, fuller version of this 
 file.
 
 # These are changed by postfix install script
 readme_directory = /usr/share