Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Conrad G T Yoder writes:

 > Since we’re on the topic of items residing at bugs.launchpad.net,
 > what are the odds of Bug #1067953
 > (https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/1067953) getting a little
 > love?  Not quite as easy a change as this one, but would benefit many
 > I’m sure.  Everyone subscribe! 

Pretty good, now that you've posted this -- the Mailman developers are
sprinting at Pycon as I write this, I believe, or maybe still at
dinner since none of them are on IRC.

A few words to the wise, in the interest of DAO[1].  At least for me
personally I would be slightly more likely to look, and very likely to
look sooner, if you posted the title as well as the bug number.

In general, Mailman developers are mail-oriented (including Barry who
last I heard was a Launchpad developer).  I don't know if anybody who
can do something about bugs actually pays attention to subscription
counts.  Can't hurt, but posting here (or on -developers if you
actually want to participate in fixing by contributing code or code
reviews) is likely the best way to be a "squeaky wheel".  Please avoid
"me too posts" unless nobody responds in a few days.  At least Mark
and I read *every post* to mailman-users.

Once discussion on a fix starts, it will typically move to -developers
for the requirements and design discussion, then to the issue itself
(this is formalized for developing Python itself, we're less informal
but take our cue from Python).


Footnotes: 
[1]  Developer Attention Optimization. :-)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

[Mark Sapiro]

On 04/16/2014 12:20 PM, Conrad G T Yoder wrote:
> 
> What great service - 2-day turnaround on bug fixes!  (Not that I will be 
> seeing it any time in the near future with my hosting service :^)


We try. Thanks for the appreciation.


> Since we’re on the topic of items residing at bugs.launchpad.net, what are 
> the odds of Bug #1067953 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/1067953) 
> getting a little love?  Not quite as easy a change as this one, but would 
> benefit many I’m sure.  Everyone subscribe!


I updated the bug report and marked it Wishlist. I commented

This won't happen in MM 2.1. The best you can do is set
admin_immed_notify On and view the HTML rendering of the message
attached to the moderation notice in your mail client. Something may be
done in MM 3, but rendering untrusted HTML on your web site via a
privileged CGI is not a very good idea.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

[Conrad G T Yoder]

On Apr 16, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 04/14/2014 04:39 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> On 04/13/2014 10:48 PM, Conrad G T Yoder wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a large list (7600 addresses), and when I search for a list of users 
>>> of a popular domain (e.g. yahoo.com), I of course get a large result set 
>>> back - sometimes more than 50 beginning with a particular letter.  On those 
>>> addresses with more than 50 starting with a common letter, they are of 
>>> course split up, but when I click on another of the sub-letter lists, the 
>>> “Find” string disappears in the search results and I’m back to a subset of 
>>> the whole list, not the searched list.  Is there any way around this?  
>>> Thanks much.
>> 
>> 
>> This is a bug. Thanks for the report. I'll fix it. See
>> .
>> 
>> In the mean time, the only work around is to set admin_member_chunksize
>> on the General Options page large enough to include all members of the
>> largest sublist so it isn't chunked.
> 
> 
> The fix has been committed for 2.1.18.  In the mean time, another work
> around is when you click the link for another chunk and get the
> unfiltered chunk back with a URL like
> 
> in the browsers address bar, add the filter to the URL and get that.
> E.g. with yahoo.com as the search, the above becomes
> .

What great service - 2-day turnaround on bug fixes!  (Not that I will be seeing 
it any time in the near future with my hosting service :^)

Since we’re on the topic of items residing at bugs.launchpad.net, what are the 
odds of Bug #1067953 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/1067953) getting 
a little love?  Not quite as easy a change as this one, but would benefit many 
I’m sure.  Everyone subscribe!

-Conrad

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

[Mark Sapiro]

On 04/16/2014 08:35 AM, Kirke Johnson wrote:
> Just to confirm my suspicions, the "chunk" capability requires Mailman
> newer than version 2.1.9?


If you mean the ability to set admin_member_chunksize from the admin
General Options page, then yes, that was added in 2.1.10.  Everything
else to do with chunking the admin Membership List has always been in
Mailman 2.1


> Another question: is there a way to negate
> the findmember search, so that all members not in the example.com
> domain could be shown?


The search is a python regular expression. There is syntax for negative
lookahead/lookbehind assertions, so that for example the search pattern

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

[Kirke Johnson]

Just to confirm my suspicions, the "chunk" capability requires Mailman
newer than version 2.1.9?  Another question: is there a way to negate
the findmember search, so that all members not in the example.com
domain could be shown?

Thanks!

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Portland Community College, Portland, OR, USA (971) 722-4368


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> On 04/16/2014 08:06 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> In the mean time, another work
>> around is when you click the link for another chunk and get the
>> unfiltered chunk back with a URL like
>> 
>> in the browsers address bar, add the filter to the URL and get that.
>> E.g. with yahoo.com as the search, the above becomes
>> .
>
>
> Just to avoid any possible confusion, the second URL above should have
> been
> .
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

[Mark Sapiro]

On 04/16/2014 08:06 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> 
> In the mean time, another work
> around is when you click the link for another chunk and get the
> unfiltered chunk back with a URL like
> 
> in the browsers address bar, add the filter to the URL and get that.
> E.g. with yahoo.com as the search, the above becomes
> .


Just to avoid any possible confusion, the second URL above should have
been
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

[Mark Sapiro]

On 04/14/2014 04:39 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 04/13/2014 10:48 PM, Conrad G T Yoder wrote:
>>
>> I have a large list (7600 addresses), and when I search for a list of users 
>> of a popular domain (e.g. yahoo.com), I of course get a large result set 
>> back - sometimes more than 50 beginning with a particular letter.  On those 
>> addresses with more than 50 starting with a common letter, they are of 
>> course split up, but when I click on another of the sub-letter lists, the 
>> “Find” string disappears in the search results and I’m back to a subset of 
>> the whole list, not the searched list.  Is there any way around this?  
>> Thanks much.
> 
> 
> This is a bug. Thanks for the report. I'll fix it. See
> .
> 
> In the mean time, the only work around is to set admin_member_chunksize
> on the General Options page large enough to include all members of the
> largest sublist so it isn't chunked.


The fix has been committed for 2.1.18.  In the mean time, another work
around is when you click the link for another chunk and get the
unfiltered chunk back with a URL like

in the browsers address bar, add the filter to the URL and get that.
E.g. with yahoo.com as the search, the above becomes
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

[Mark Sapiro]

On 04/13/2014 10:48 PM, Conrad G T Yoder wrote:
> 
> I have a large list (7600 addresses), and when I search for a list of users 
> of a popular domain (e.g. yahoo.com), I of course get a large result set back 
> - sometimes more than 50 beginning with a particular letter.  On those 
> addresses with more than 50 starting with a common letter, they are of course 
> split up, but when I click on another of the sub-letter lists, the “Find” 
> string disappears in the search results and I’m back to a subset of the whole 
> list, not the searched list.  Is there any way around this?  Thanks much.


This is a bug. Thanks for the report. I'll fix it. See
.

In the mean time, the only work around is to set admin_member_chunksize
on the General Options page large enough to include all members of the
largest sublist so it isn't chunked.

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[Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

[Conrad G T Yoder]

[Using Mailman 2.1.14 on a hosted service]

I have a large list (7600 addresses), and when I search for a list of users of 
a popular domain (e.g. yahoo.com), I of course get a large result set back - 
sometimes more than 50 beginning with a particular letter.  On those addresses 
with more than 50 starting with a common letter, they are of course split up, 
but when I click on another of the sub-letter lists, the “Find” string 
disappears in the search results and I’m back to a subset of the whole list, 
not the searched list.  Is there any way around this?  Thanks much.

-Conrad

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