[Mailman-Users] Best solution to fix the yahoo problem?

2014-04-13 Thread Mark London

Thanks for the replies to my other post, and sorry that I didn't search the 
archives first, before posting.

In any event, I'm a unclear about the best solution (if there is one).

Is there a solution, that will only modify messages from domains that are like yahoo?  I.e., only yahoo posts will be 
modified so that they will get delivered, but all the other other posts, will look like they presently do?


As a hack fix, could I simply modify my mailman code, so that @yahoo.com is 
changed to @yahooblah.com, in the From address?

- Mark

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[Mailman-Users] Best solution to fix the yahoo problem?

2014-04-13 Thread Mark London

Thanks for the replies to my other post, and sorry that I didn't search the 
archives first, before posting.

In any event, I'm a unclear about the best solution (if there is one).

Is there a solution, that will only modify messages from domains that are like yahoo?  I.e., only yahoo posts will be 
modified so that they will get delivered, but all the other other posts, will look like they presently do?


As a hack fix, could I simply modify my mailman code, so that @yahoo.com is 
changed to @yahooblah.com, in the From address?

- Mark

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Best solution to fix the yahoo problem?

2014-04-13 Thread Joseph Brennan




In any event, I'm a unclear about the best solution (if there is one).


My inclination is to refuse postings from addresses @yahoo.com, since 
accepting them will interfere with everyone's use of our list system.


The only issue for me is precisely how to implement it.

Joseph Brennan
Columbia University I T




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Best solution to fix the yahoo problem?

2014-04-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 04/13/2014 01:59 PM, Joseph Brennan wrote:
 
 
 In any event, I'm a unclear about the best solution (if there is one).


Mailman 2.1.16 and up already has the ability to either mung the From:
header or wrap the original post in an outer message From: the list.

There is a minor bug in that this is also applied to posts to
LIST-owner, but that is fixed for 2.1.18.

The major problem is it requires site configuration action to make this
option available to list owners.

See the thread starting at
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2014-April/076372.html
for lots of info.

See the post at
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2014-April/076388.html
for links to the patches.


 My inclination is to refuse postings from addresses @yahoo.com, since
 accepting them will interfere with everyone's use of our list system.
 
 The only issue for me is precisely how to implement it.


Jim P's branch mentioned in his post at
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2014-April/076383.html
is a general implementation for posts From: any domain with a reject
DMARC policy.

We are talking about this at PyCon now. At sprints starting tomorrow, we
will be working on enhancing the current options by merging at least
ideas from Jim P's branch, and making the switches available to list
owners by default, all with an eye to releasing this in 2.1.18 in weeks.

Also see the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/ggARAQ.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Best solution to fix the yahoo problem?

2014-04-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes:

  Mailman 2.1.16 and up already has the ability to either mung the From:
  header or wrap the original post in an outer message From: the list.
 
  The major problem is it requires site configuration action to make this
  option available to list owners.

Given that the whole site is at risk, should it be an option for list
owners at all?

  Jim P's branch mentioned in his post at
  https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2014-April/076383.html
  is a general implementation for posts From: any domain with a reject
  DMARC policy.
  
  We are talking about this at PyCon now.

Good to hear, wish I could be there!  I'll try to be in #mailman off
and on 00:00 UTC to 15:00 UTC.

Steve


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Best solution to fix the yahoo problem?

2014-04-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 14, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

Given that the whole site is at risk, should it be an option for list
owners at all?

This is a good point.  It may make sense for the site admin to select whether
some general DMARC mitigation approach is enabled for their lists or not, and
then allow the list admins to select the approach that is least unpalatable
for their users.

-Barry
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Best solution to fix the yahoo problem?

2014-04-13 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@list.org wrote:
 On Apr 14, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

Given that the whole site is at risk, should it be an option for list
owners at all?

 This is a good point.  It may make sense for the site admin to select whether
 some general DMARC mitigation approach is enabled for their lists or not, and
 then allow the list admins to select the approach that is least unpalatable
 for their users.

I agree, very valid point.

-Jim P.
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