Re: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY
On Apr 16, 2007, at 10:36 PM, kalin mintchev wrote: i'm really tired of clients batching over the subscription confirmation: but why?, nobody will do it and we goanna lose people?, it's to difficult, can we do it without it?!, our list is special.., etc, etc... I agree that for many lists and many users the confirmation step is a point where legitimate subscription attempts fail. But ... List bombing (maliciously subscribing people to lots of lists) does happen. (I have been a victim of it several times). What I've seen is that known anti-spammers get their addresses added to lists that don't do proper confirmation. Maybe not this year, or maybe not the next year, but it is almost certain that you will end up getting yourself blacklisted. Anyway, I see from a later post of yours that you found out how to do the configuration you want. Please consider that step carefully. Also look at enabling VERP_CONFIRMATIONS, which will result in having confirmation requests go out with a more helpful Subject header. You need to configure your MTA appropriately for VERP (basically handling username+whatever local parts correctly). -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY
At 1:18 PM -0500 4/17/07, Jeffrey Goldberg replied to Kalin Mintchev: List bombing (maliciously subscribing people to lots of lists) does happen. (I have been a victim of it several times). What I've seen is that known anti-spammers get their addresses added to lists that don't do proper confirmation. Maybe not this year, or maybe not the next year, but it is almost certain that you will end up getting yourself blacklisted. Especially since there are some very aggressive anti-spammers lurking about on various mailing lists like this, and they may well add you to a blacklist just because you say that you're running a mailing list that doesn't do confirmation. And it will be virtually impossible for you to get yourself removed from many blacklists like that. Anyway, I see from a later post of yours that you found out how to do the configuration you want. Please consider that step carefully. Inded, Kalin -- be very, very careful. I'm sorely tempted to submit you to some blacklists myself, and I know that I'm not the most violently aggressive anti-spammer around. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED], Consultant Author LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu Slides from Invited Talks: http://tinyurl.com/tj6q4 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY
hi all... i'm really tired of clients batching over the subscription confirmation: but why?, nobody will do it and we goanna lose people?, it's to difficult, can we do it without it?!, our list is special.., etc, etc... so i did change the settings in Defaults.py but it's still asking for confirmation... what am i doing wrong? in the mm_cfg.py it says: from Defaults import * so that should take care of it if i change it in Defaults.py?!? relevant section from Defaults.py: # Yes = yes = On = on = True No = no = Off = off = False # SUBSCRIBE POLICY # 0 - open list (only when ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE is set to 1) ** # 1 - confirmation required for subscribes # 2 - admin approval required for subscribes # 3 - both confirmation and admin approval required # # ** please do not choose option 0 if you are not allowing open # subscribes (next variable) ### DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 1 DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 0 # Does this site allow completely unchecked subscriptions? ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = No ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = 1 ### = i tried Yes, True, yes then restart the runners .. how, if at all, can i do this per list and not for the whole site?! thanks -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY
nevermind... sorry... figured it out... thanks... hi all... i'm really tired of clients batching over the subscription confirmation: but why?, nobody will do it and we goanna lose people?, it's to difficult, can we do it without it?!, our list is special.., etc, etc... so i did change the settings in Defaults.py but it's still asking for confirmation... what am i doing wrong? in the mm_cfg.py it says: from Defaults import * so that should take care of it if i change it in Defaults.py?!? relevant section from Defaults.py: # Yes = yes = On = on = True No = no = Off = off = False # SUBSCRIBE POLICY # 0 - open list (only when ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE is set to 1) ** # 1 - confirmation required for subscribes # 2 - admin approval required for subscribes # 3 - both confirmation and admin approval required # # ** please do not choose option 0 if you are not allowing open # subscribes (next variable) ### DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 1 DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 0 # Does this site allow completely unchecked subscriptions? ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = No ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = 1 ### = i tried Yes, True, yes then restart the runners .. how, if at all, can i do this per list and not for the whole site?! thanks -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/kalin%40el.net Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY
kalin mintchev wrote: in the mm_cfg.py it says: from Defaults import * so that should take care of it if i change it in Defaults.py?!? Do not ever under any circumstances change Defaults.py as explained at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.021.htp. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
