RE: [Mailman-Users] How to kill the evil that is sendmail

2002-09-25 Thread Jim Popovitch 

Hi Angel,

What you need to do is configure sendmail to not be persistent with flaky
mail servers (this assumes it is not your mail server that is flaky).  I do
this on my lists because I don't want every thing backing up when someone's
home based linux mailserver is down while they are fsking with it.  Besides,
if they really want the missed email, they can go look in the archives.
Here are my relevant sendmail.cf settings that pertain to this, basically
they cause sendmail to not waste much time:

# timeouts (many of these)
O Timeout.initial=1m
O Timeout.connect=0
O Timeout.iconnect=30s
O Timeout.helo=2m
O Timeout.rcpt=2m
O Timeout.ident=0
O Timeout.queuereturn=1h
O Timeout.queuewarn=4h

-Jim P.

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> Yes you guessed it, sendmail is pissing me off!! What I would like to do,
is to get rid of all the email that sendmail is STILL strying to send. You
know when it tries to deliver mail for up to five days or whatever. I
stopped short of uninstalling it, and re-installing it in case it picks up
where it left off. I look in the mail queue, and I can't see any messages,
but I look in the logs, and it's trying addresses every hour or so. It's
making me wonder if, mailman is the culprit. Because I can't see what
mailman is about to do, I can only see the end results. It's not slowing
down my machine, or anything like that, it's just plain ANNOYING. Any ideas
anyone?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to kill the evil that is sendmail

2002-09-25 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner 

Angel Gabriel wrote:

> How do I check mailmans queue?

Look in ~mailman/qfiles/

Sendmail is only evil when not properly configured.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] How to kill the evil that is sendmail

2002-09-25 Thread Angel Gabriel 

Okay, I'm feeling the volcano part, and also the brutal killing of sendmails
queue. Lucky for the sendmail queue, it's empty, but I will cut and paste
that solution, and file it away in case of emergencies! How do I check
mailmans queue? I checked running proccesses to see if there where any
python related threads running over 0.1 percent, and there was none.
(begining to like the volcano idea). The thing is, NO ONE else uses the box
to send mail... they use a DIFFRENT box, and I've configured sendmail to
ONLY accept connections on the same subnet as me, so I doubt that anyone is
hacking my box from outside, and using it as an open relay. **thinks a bit,
wonders if this is REALLY secure, any comments?** The ONLY job of this box
is mailman. **Now I'm real confused**

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To: Angel Gabriel
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On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Angel Gabriel wrote:

> What I would like to do, is to get rid of all the email that sendmail
> is STILL strying to send. You know when it tries to deliver mail for
> up to five days or whatever. I stopped short of uninstalling it, and
> re-installing it in case it picks up where it left off. I look in the
> mail queue, and I can't see any messages, but I look in the logs, and
> it's trying addresses every hour or so.  It's making me wonder if,
> mailman is the culprit. Because I can't see what mailman is about to
> do, I can only see the end results. It's not slowing down my machine,
> or anything like that, it's just plain ANNOYING. Any ideas anyone?

Don't forget that with Mailman and sendmail (and, likely, any MTA)
you are talking about -two- queues: Mailman's and the MTA's.  I have
never heard of sendmail attempting to send out messages that are not
in -its- queue.  Use 'mailq' to list sendmail's queue.  Or, the
direct approach is to look in /var/spool/mqueue (or whatever you
may have configured as sendmail's queue directory).  Also, no need
to reinstall sendmail: just clean out its queue (there are nice
ways to do so, and brutal ways, too; go ahead and use the brutal
way (rm -f /var/spool/mqueue/*), since I think it'll help provide
some stress relief, too :-)

(And besides, if you do reinstall sendmail without cleaning out its
queue, yes: it will just pick up from where it left off.)

If both Mailman's and sendmail's queues are empty and the machine
-still- retries sending old messages, you have a gremlin in the
box, and you need to throw it into a volcano.  (That should also
provide a certain amount of stress relief.)  Since real gremlins
are quite rare, if in fact both Mailman's and sendmail's queues are
empty and the machine is sending out messages every hour or so,
something -else- is sending -in- new messages every hour or so.

- Andrew

  
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to kill the evil that is sendmail

2002-09-25 Thread mailman 

On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Angel Gabriel wrote:

> What I would like to do, is to get rid of all the email that sendmail
> is STILL strying to send. You know when it tries to deliver mail for
> up to five days or whatever. I stopped short of uninstalling it, and
> re-installing it in case it picks up where it left off. I look in the
> mail queue, and I can't see any messages, but I look in the logs, and
> it's trying addresses every hour or so.  It's making me wonder if,
> mailman is the culprit. Because I can't see what mailman is about to
> do, I can only see the end results. It's not slowing down my machine,
> or anything like that, it's just plain ANNOYING. Any ideas anyone?

Don't forget that with Mailman and sendmail (and, likely, any MTA)
you are talking about -two- queues: Mailman's and the MTA's.  I have
never heard of sendmail attempting to send out messages that are not
in -its- queue.  Use 'mailq' to list sendmail's queue.  Or, the
direct approach is to look in /var/spool/mqueue (or whatever you
may have configured as sendmail's queue directory).  Also, no need
to reinstall sendmail: just clean out its queue (there are nice
ways to do so, and brutal ways, too; go ahead and use the brutal
way (rm -f /var/spool/mqueue/*), since I think it'll help provide
some stress relief, too :-)

(And besides, if you do reinstall sendmail without cleaning out its
queue, yes: it will just pick up from where it left off.)

If both Mailman's and sendmail's queues are empty and the machine
-still- retries sending old messages, you have a gremlin in the
box, and you need to throw it into a volcano.  (That should also
provide a certain amount of stress relief.)  Since real gremlins
are quite rare, if in fact both Mailman's and sendmail's queues are
empty and the machine is sending out messages every hour or so,
something -else- is sending -in- new messages every hour or so.

- Andrew

  
  Mailman Administrator   -   http://www.tux.org/mailman/listinfo/


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[Mailman-Users] How to kill the evil that is sendmail

2002-09-25 Thread Angel Gabriel 

Yes you guessed it, sendmail is pissing me off!! What I would like to do, is
to get rid of all the email that sendmail is STILL strying to send. You know
when it tries to deliver mail for up to five days or whatever. I stopped
short of uninstalling it, and re-installing it in case it picks up where it
left off. I look in the mail queue, and I can't see any messages, but I look
in the logs, and it's trying addresses every hour or so. It's making me
wonder if, mailman is the culprit. Because I can't see what mailman is about
to do, I can only see the end results. It's not slowing down my machine, or
anything like that, it's just plain ANNOYING. Any ideas anyone?

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