Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail to yahoo / google accounts

2009-09-07 Thread 牛粥 
Hien HUYNH HUU  writes:

> I think that DKIM is not enough for this problem . I read the DKIM from yahoo 
> : " Signing emails with DomainKeys does not guarantee whitelist status or 
> inbox placement. It may, however, make your mailings eligible for our 
> Complaint Feedback Loop (CFL) program. Basically, when you're enrolled in the 
> CFL program, you will be forwarded a copy of the sent email every time a 
> Yahoo! Mail users clicks on the "Spam" button for any of your 
> DomainKey-signed mail. Each complaint should be reviewed and appropriate 
> action should be taken to reduce your complaint rates."

Then, from now on, you need to Cc'ing  and
. Ask to them directly if you want to know real
reasons.   

Sincerely,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail to yahoo / google accounts

2009-09-07 Thread 牛粥 
At Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:46:06 +0700,
Hien HUYNH HUU wrote:
> 
> Dear Stephen, Mark !
>  Thank you for your reply.
>  I don't know why the gmail/yahoo mail server indicate my server is spam 
> although my customers want to receive my post from the list.
>  I check my qmail settings and see that my DNS, rDNS are Ok.
>  I am configuring concurrencyremote is 5 with qmail and : SMTP_MAX_RCPTS 
> = 10, SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 1, QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(10) 
> with Mailman so that we just use bad performance to be called "spam".
>  [...]

Use DKIM. That is enough for Google/Yahoo ;;

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail to yahoo / google accounts

2009-09-04 Thread Hien HUYNH HUU 
Dear Stephen, Mark !
 Thank you for your reply.
 I don't know why the gmail/yahoo mail server indicate my server is spam 
although my customers want to receive my post from the list.
 I check my qmail settings and see that my DNS, rDNS are Ok.
 I am configuring concurrencyremote is 5 with qmail and : SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 
10, SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 1, QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(10) with 
Mailman so that we just use bad performance to be called "spam".
 Please help me .
 Best regards,
 Huu Hien


-Original Message-
From: Stephen J. Turnbull [mailto:step...@xemacs.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:48 AM
To: Hien HUYNH HUU
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to yahoo / google accounts

Hien HUYNH HUU writes:

Have you read the FAQ?

 > Now I have a problem when sending emails to yahoo/gmail
 > accounts with my maillist. Actually I send post to a lot of
 > accounts so that yahoo and google deny to receive my post, the
 > log I received likes this:

Both of those indicate you are suspected of spamming.  The Yahoo
message says their users are actually complaining about your mail.
(The big freemail hosts have been know to lie about exactly why
they're blocking your mail, but if you really are causing user
complaint you're in big trouble at that host.  It's very difficult to
get back in their good graces after a history of user complaint.)

You should go read their guidelines, and find out how to conform to
them.

 >I must wait for about 2 hours to resend and It block again.
 >Please help me to config mailman/qmail so that I can send mail
 >to them without being deny anything.

This is probably more a qmail problem than a Mailman problem.

You really should talk to qmail people about qmail.  There may be a
few on this list, but most people here use sendmail, Postfix, or Exim,
and the most active experts on this list know nothing about qmail that
isn't in the FAQ.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail to yahoo / google accounts

2009-09-04 Thread Gary R. Schmidt 

> Nor do we, and it's likely they won't tell you because they consider
> such information to be proprietary and of potential use to spammers.

A way around these problems may be to use your ISP's mail-relay, rather 
than delivering directly.  Or use a third-party mailer, such as fastmail.fm.


Usually your ISP is not on any black-lists, and they also (should) have 
mechanisms in place to get off such black-lists when they get on them.


Of course, to get lots of messages out via your ISP you may need to 
authenticate your connections and so on - I ended up building a custom 
version or postfix to use SASL and TLS, with which my ISP let's me 
specify 300 recipients rather than 50.  Telling postfix 
"default_destination_recipient_limit=300" completed the magic.


Cheers,
GaryB-)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail to yahoo / google accounts

2009-09-02 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Hien HUYNH HUU wrote:

> I don't know why the gmail/yahoo mail server indicate my server is spam 
> although my customers want to receive my post from the list.


Nor do we, and it's likely they won't tell you because they consider
such information to be proprietary and of potential use to spammers.


You need to contact these ISPs directly and explain what the character
of your mailings is and ask what you need to do to get your server
treated better.

This is a tedious and difficult process. Many of us have been there
with one or more of the large ISPs and we sympathize with you, but
basically, you have to search for the way to submit a "my mail is not
being delivered to your users" report and work through their process.

I've been through this process with Hotmail, but as far as I know I
haven't had problems with Google/Gmail and my only Yahoo issues have
been delayed mail, not outright refusal, so I haven't had the need to
try to find their contact info.

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[Mailman-Users] Mail to yahoo / google accounts

2009-09-01 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull 
Hien HUYNH HUU writes:

Have you read the FAQ?

 > Now I have a problem when sending emails to yahoo/gmail
 > accounts with my maillist. Actually I send post to a lot of
 > accounts so that yahoo and google deny to receive my post, the
 > log I received likes this:

Both of those indicate you are suspected of spamming.  The Yahoo
message says their users are actually complaining about your mail.
(The big freemail hosts have been know to lie about exactly why
they're blocking your mail, but if you really are causing user
complaint you're in big trouble at that host.  It's very difficult to
get back in their good graces after a history of user complaint.)

You should go read their guidelines, and find out how to conform to
them.

 >I must wait for about 2 hours to resend and It block again.
 >Please help me to config mailman/qmail so that I can send mail
 >to them without being deny anything.

This is probably more a qmail problem than a Mailman problem.

You really should talk to qmail people about qmail.  There may be a
few on this list, but most people here use sendmail, Postfix, or Exim,
and the most active experts on this list know nothing about qmail that
isn't in the FAQ.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail to yahoo / google accounts

2009-09-01 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Hien HUYNH HUU wrote:

>Now I have a problem when sending emails to yahoo/gmail accounts with my 
> maillist. Actually I send post to a lot of accounts so that yahoo and google 
> deny to receive my post, the log I received likes this:
>
>Aug 31 08:36:55 maillist qmail: 1251682615.959034 delivery 3431: deferral: 
>Connected_to_124.108.116.72_but_greeting_failed./Remote_host_said:_421_4.7.0_[TS01]_Messages_from_a.b.c.d_temporarily_deferred_due_to_user_complaints_-_4.16.55.1;_see_http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts01.html/
>
>Aug 31 08:36:55 maillist qmail: 1251682615.736333 delivery 3429: deferral: 
>Connected_to_209.85.211.7_but_greeting_failed./Remote_host_said:_421-4.7.0_[a.b.c.d]_Our_system_has_detected_an_unusual_amount_of_unsolicited/421-4.7.0_mail_originating_from_your_IP_address._To_protect_our_users_from/421-4.7.0_spam,_mail_sent_from_your_IP_address_has_been_temporarily_blocked./421-4.7.0_Please_visit_http://www.google.com/mail/help/bulk_mail.html_to_review/421_4.7.0_our_Bulk_Email_Senders_Guidelines._7si10525578ywh.126/
>
>   I must wait for about 2 hours to resend and It block again.
>   Please help me to config mailman/qmail so that I can send mail to them 
> without being deny anything.


The FAQ at  summarizes much of what we
know about dealing with large ISPs.

On your end, you need to be sure your sending server is properly
configured. At a minimum, its IP must have an rDNS that points back to
its fully qualified domain name. That name must have a DNS A record
that points to the IP, and it must identify itself as that domain in
HELO/EHLO.

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[Mailman-Users] Mail to yahoo / google accounts

2009-09-01 Thread Hien HUYNH HUU 
Hi all,
Now I have a problem when sending emails to yahoo/gmail accounts with my 
maillist. Actually I send post to a lot of accounts so that yahoo and google 
deny to receive my post, the log I received likes this:

Aug 31 08:36:55 maillist qmail: 1251682615.959034 delivery 3431: deferral: 
Connected_to_124.108.116.72_but_greeting_failed./Remote_host_said:_421_4.7.0_[TS01]_Messages_from_a.b.c.d_temporarily_deferred_due_to_user_complaints_-_4.16.55.1;_see_http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts01.html/

Aug 31 08:36:55 maillist qmail: 1251682615.736333 delivery 3429: deferral: 
Connected_to_209.85.211.7_but_greeting_failed./Remote_host_said:_421-4.7.0_[a.b.c.d]_Our_system_has_detected_an_unusual_amount_of_unsolicited/421-4.7.0_mail_originating_from_your_IP_address._To_protect_our_users_from/421-4.7.0_spam,_mail_sent_from_your_IP_address_has_been_temporarily_blocked./421-4.7.0_Please_visit_http://www.google.com/mail/help/bulk_mail.html_to_review/421_4.7.0_our_Bulk_Email_Senders_Guidelines._7si10525578ywh.126/

   I must wait for about 2 hours to resend and It block again.
   Please help me to config mailman/qmail so that I can send mail to them 
without being deny anything.
   Best regards.
   Huu Hien
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