Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration

[James Kelleway]

Thanks all for the great advice!

On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 3:22 PM Keith Seyffarth  wrote:

>
> > We have a client who uses mailman on a plesk server. They are in the
> > process of moving to a cpanel server but we have no experience with
> mailman
> > and were wondering if anyone experienced devs could give us a quote to
> > perform the migration for us? Please feel free to reach out with any
> > questions.
>
> First check to see what options you have from within cPanel, apparently
> some cPanel implementations come with a migration or transfer tool which
> is already set up to transfer sites from PLESK to cPanel. I haven't gone
> this direction, but I have transferred from cPanel to PLESK or from older
> versions of PLESK to newer versions of PLESK with the PLESK Migrate
> tool...
>
> If you don't have that option, you may want to check out
>
> https://forums.cpanel.net/threads/migrating-account-from-plesk-to-cpanel.303772/
> which appears to have information on a free transfer service...
>
> Keith
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration

[Keith Seyffarth]

> We have a client who uses mailman on a plesk server. They are in the
> process of moving to a cpanel server but we have no experience with mailman
> and were wondering if anyone experienced devs could give us a quote to
> perform the migration for us? Please feel free to reach out with any
> questions.

First check to see what options you have from within cPanel, apparently
some cPanel implementations come with a migration or transfer tool which
is already set up to transfer sites from PLESK to cPanel. I haven't gone
this direction, but I have transferred from cPanel to PLESK or from older
versions of PLESK to newer versions of PLESK with the PLESK Migrate
tool...

If you don't have that option, you may want to check out
https://forums.cpanel.net/threads/migrating-account-from-plesk-to-cpanel.303772/
which appears to have information on a free transfer service...

Keith

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration

[Mark Sapiro]

On 10/05/2018 10:03 AM, James Kelleway wrote:
> 
> We have a client who uses mailman on a plesk server. They are in the
> process of moving to a cpanel server but we have no experience with mailman
> and were wondering if anyone experienced devs could give us a quote to
> perform the migration for us? Please feel free to reach out with any
> questions.


The process of moving Mailman 2.1 archives and lists from one server to
another is usually simple (see ), but
both cPanel and Plesk have their own modified Mailman instances which
are non-standard and differ from each other which might greatly
complicate this. See  and


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[Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration

[James Kelleway]

Hi All,

We have a client who uses mailman on a plesk server. They are in the
process of moving to a cpanel server but we have no experience with mailman
and were wondering if anyone experienced devs could give us a quote to
perform the migration for us? Please feel free to reach out with any
questions.

Thanks,

James

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration 2.1.X to 3.2

[Ryan McClung]

Hey All,

Looking to migrate 2.1.15 to 3.2. Right now we have a lot of lists and
pretty big archives. Is there a best practices for the migration or can
anyone offer scripts that have worked for them?

Info:

1 -- Mailman 2 server
1 -- Mailman 3 server

Both are on the same network.
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration to new server

[Peter Merritt]

My mailman migration is going ok except its failing at update, version 2.1.5 to 
version 2.1.14 debian woody to Ubuntu precise

 
Output of update command 

 
Updating mailing list: scholars

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/update, line 771, in module

    errors = main()

  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/update, line 661, in main

    errors = errors + dolist(listname)

  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/update, line 192, in dolist

    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)

  File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 130, in __init__

    self.Load()

  File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 676, in Load

    self.CheckVersion(dict)

  File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 715, in CheckVersion

    if self.data_version = mm_cfg.DATA_FILE_VERSION:

  File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 146, in __getattr__

    raise AttributeError, name

AttributeError: data_version

 
Any ideas, while I research,

Thanks in Advance. 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration to new server

[Peter Merritt]

 

Ok to add to this a dumpdb show that no config.pck has a data_version. In fact 
some config.pck are missing for some lists.

    Peter
 
-Original message-

My mailman migration is going ok except its failing at update, version 2.1.5 to 
version 2.1.14 debian woody to Ubuntu precise

 
Output of update command 

 
Updating mailing list: scholars

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/update, line 771, in module

    errors = main()

  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/update, line 661, in main

    errors = errors + dolist(listname)

  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/update, line 192, in dolist

    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)

  File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 130, in __init__

    self.Load()

  File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 676, in Load

    self.CheckVersion(dict)

  File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 715, in CheckVersion

    if self.data_version = mm_cfg.DATA_FILE_VERSION:

  File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 146, in __getattr__

    raise AttributeError, name

AttributeError: data_version

 
Any ideas, while I research,

Thanks in Advance. 

              Peter

 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration to new server

[Mark Sapiro]

On 8/28/2012 6:25 PM, Peter Merritt wrote:
 
 
 Ok to add to this a dumpdb show that no config.pck has a
 data_version. In fact some config.pck are missing for some lists.


Mailman 2.1.5's Mailman/MailList.py had code to test and set if
necessary a list's data_version attribute every time the list was
instantiated.

I think you must be looking in the wrong directory. If there is no
lists/LISTNAME/config.pck (ignoring for the moment the possibility of a
Mailman 2.0.x config.db), the list doesn't exist for Mailman 2.1.x

Do you have any mods in your 2.1.5?

If you think your config.pck's are otherwise OK, you could always do

#!/bin/sh
file=`mktemp`
echo mlist.data_version = 0  $file
for list in `/path/to/mailman/bin/list_lists --bare`; do
  /path/to/mailman/bin/config_list -i $file $list
done
rm $file


It doesn't matter what you set data_version to as long as it's less than 98.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration to new server

[Peter Merritt]

Mark thank you for your help, unfortunately as I investigate further there is 
only one config.pck left an its corrupt. all the other lists have not 
config.pck. Is there anyway to recover a list of  members email addresses? 

  Peter



 
-Original message-
From:Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net
Sent:Tue 08-28-2012 06:51 pm
Subject:Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration to new server
To:Peter Merritt pwmerr...@weirdwater.org; 
CC:mailman-users@python.org; 
On 8/28/2012 6:25 PM, Peter Merritt wrote:
 
 
 Ok to add to this a dumpdb show that no config.pck has a
 data_version. In fact some config.pck are missing for some lists.


Mailman 2.1.5's Mailman/MailList.py had code to test and set if
necessary a list's data_version attribute every time the list was
instantiated.

I think you must be looking in the wrong directory. If there is no
lists/LISTNAME/config.pck (ignoring for the moment the possibility of a
Mailman 2.0.x config.db), the list doesn't exist for Mailman 2.1.x

Do you have any mods in your 2.1.5?

If you think your config.pck's are otherwise OK, you could always do

#!/bin/sh
file=`mktemp`
echo mlist.data_version = 0  $file
for list in `/path/to/mailman/bin/list_lists --bare`; do
  /path/to/mailman/bin/config_list -i $file $list
done
rm $file


It doesn't matter what you set data_version to as long as it's less than 98.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration to new server

[Mark Sapiro]

On 8/28/2012 7:19 PM, Peter Merritt wrote:
 Mark thank you for your help, unfortunately as I investigate further
 there is only one config.pck left an its corrupt. all the other lists
 have not config.pck. Is there anyway to recover a list of  members
 email addresses?


Restore from a good backup.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration to new server

[Peter Merritt]

 

Yep, thats what I was afraid you would say. unfortunately I am supposed to 
perform a miracle, there is no back up.

 Peter
 
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Sent:Tue 08-28-2012 07:50 pm
Subject:Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration to new server
To:Peter Merritt pwmerr...@weirdwater.org; 
CC:mailman-users@python.org; 
On 8/28/2012 7:19 PM, Peter Merritt wrote:
 Mark thank you for your help, unfortunately as I investigate further
 there is only one config.pck left an its corrupt. all the other lists
 have not config.pck. Is there anyway to recover a list of  members
 email addresses?


Restore from a good backup.

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[Mailman-Users] mailman migration

[Marek Kozlowski]

:-)
I've inherited a Fedora 8 server with a very long (~10 years) history of 
updates, upgrades, small changes etc. I've decided to install a new 
Linux server (Gentoo), configure it and (selectively) migrate only 
necessary data.
There is a mailman instance installed on the old server and there are 
several (less than 10) mailing lists. I'd like to emerge (install) a 
fresh port of mailman on the new server and copy those lists. Can I 
ask for any help:

- which files should I examine?
- is copying of those files enough?
- ..?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman migration

[Mark Sapiro]

Marek Kozlowski wrote:

Marek Kozlowski wrote:
 :-)
 I've inherited a Fedora 8 server with a very long (~10 years) history of 
 updates, upgrades, small changes etc. I've decided to install a new 
 Linux server (Gentoo), configure it and (selectively) migrate only 
 necessary data.
 There is a mailman instance installed on the old server and there are 
 several (less than 10) mailing lists. I'd like to emerge (install) a 
 fresh port of mailman on the new server and copy those lists. Can I 
 ask for any help:
 - which files should I examine?
 - is copying of those files enough?
 - ..?


Some posts referenced in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/2oA9 may
help.

You need to move Mailman's lists/ and archives/private/ directories
from the old installation to the new. If domain names are changing,
you will also need to run fix_url (run bin/fix_url.py for help), and
you will probably want to rebuild the archives (see bin/cleanarch
--help and bin/arch --help)

Sorry, I missed the most important part:
- both servers use postfix as MTA,
- the old server used uw-imap (mbox files for e-mail) while the new one 
uses courier-imap (.maildir directories),
- I don't use mysql for mail nor web.


If delivery to Mailman is via aliases, you will need to run
bin/genaliases after moving the lists. The imap server is not involved
in any case. Either Postfix uses Mailman aliases to pipe mail directly
to Mailman or all Mailman mail for all lists is delivered to a single
maildir and processed by Mailman's Mailman/Queue/MaildirRunner.py
module which see for more information.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration Trouble

[Carlos Williams]

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Since your domain names don't change, you shouldn't need to do step 6.

 For step 5, make sure that everything in lists/ and archives/ is your
 mailman group.

I ran the following command:

chown -R mailman:mailman /var/lib/mailman/lists/

I see that everything in /var/lib/mailman/lists is owned by mailman:mailman.

So now I am looking at path in the error I received:

OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman.mbox'
   [FAILED]

When I look at the path in the error on my server_old and server_new,
I notice the mailman.mbox path goes on and on and on and on...

Is this normal? Look below - its identical on both servers however
mailman works on server_old. You can see below that I start in private
directory and I am able to cd in to the same directory over and over
and then you can see the pwd command path...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] private]# cd mailman.mbox/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman.mbox]# ls -l
total 4
drwxrwsr-x  3 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 25  2006 mailman.mbox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman.mbox]# cd mailman.mbox/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman.mbox]# ls -l
total 4
drwxrwsr-x  3 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 25  2006 mailman.mbox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman.mbox]# cd mailman.mbox/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman.mbox]# cd mailman.mbox/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman.mbox]# cd mailman.mbox/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman.mbox]# cd mailman.mbox/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman.mbox]# cd mailman.mbox/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman.mbox]# ls -l
total 4
drwxrwsr-x  3 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 25  2006 mailman.mbox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman.mbox]# pwd
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman.mbox/mailman.mbox/mailman.mbox/mailman.mbox/mailman.mbox/mailman.mbox/mailman.mbox
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration Trouble

[Mark Sapiro]

Carlos Williams wrote:

So now I am looking at path in the error I received:

OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman.mbox'
   [FAILED]

When I look at the path in the error on my server_old and server_new,
I notice the mailman.mbox path goes on and on and on and on...

Is this normal? Look below - its identical on both servers however
mailman works on server_old.


This is very wrong. There should be one archives/private/list.mbox
directory for each list and that directory should contain one
list.mbox file which is a mailbox contianing all posts archived for
the list. I.e., in the case of the 'mailman' list, an
archives/private/mailman.mbox directory containing an
archives/private/mailman.mbox/mailman.mbox file.

What does 'ls -lR /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman.mbox' show
on the old and new servers? What about other lists?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration Trouble

[Carlos Williams]

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is very wrong. There should be one archives/private/list.mbox
 directory for each list and that directory should contain one
 list.mbox file which is a mailbox contianing all posts archived for
 the list. I.e., in the case of the 'mailman' list, an
 archives/private/mailman.mbox directory containing an
 archives/private/mailman.mbox/mailman.mbox file.

 What does 'ls -lR /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman.mbox' show
 on the old and new servers? What about other lists?
When I run ls -lR /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman.mbox I
get an output that is a mile long. The results from that command is
huge. Every other list has one .mbox file with 775 permissions except
mailman. I do see some other stuff I do not like so I am going to
start from scratch. I think I will just re-create all the mailman
lists from scratch and force everyone to re-subscribe.
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration Trouble

[Carlos Williams]

I am migrating mailman from server_old (RHEL 4) to server_new (RHEL
5). Its basically in all sense the same machine / arch / domain / blah
blah blah.

I am using this archive as a guide:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2007-January/055208.html

I copies everything over from my old server to the new as below:

/usr/bin/rsync -ave ssh --delete-after /var/lib/mailman/lists/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/lib/mailman/lists
/usr/bin/rsync -ave ssh --delete-after
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/lib/mailman/archives/private

I skipped step 3 in the guide since the domain is identical and has no
reason to change...

I then copied all /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/*mbox/*mbox to the new
server as shown below:

/usr/bin/rsync -ave ssh --delete-after
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/lib/mailman/archives/private

Now I am trying to understand step # 5 and I don't understand since my
system has no user or group called list so I can chown -R list:list.
Am I missing something? Right now since I can't execute step 5, when I
attempt to start mailman on my Linux server, I get the following
error:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] cwilliams]# /etc/init.d/mailman start
Starting mailman: Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl, line 607, in ?
main()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl, line 426, in main
check_for_site_list()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl, line 326, in check_for_site_list
sitelist = MailList(sitelistname, lock=0)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 130, in __init__
self.Load()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 665, in Load
self.CheckVersion(dict)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 707, in CheckVersion
self.InitVars()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 404, in InitVars
baseclass.InitVars(self)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 96, in InitVars
os.mkdir(self.archive_dir()+'.mbox', 02775)
OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman.mbox'
   [FAILED]


Anyone know what I am missing or doing wrong?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration Trouble

[Mark Sapiro]

Carlos Williams wrote:

I am migrating mailman from server_old (RHEL 4) to server_new (RHEL
5). Its basically in all sense the same machine / arch / domain / blah
blah blah.

I am using this archive as a guide:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2007-January/055208.html

I copies everything over from my old server to the new as below:

/usr/bin/rsync -ave ssh --delete-after /var/lib/mailman/lists/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/lib/mailman/lists
/usr/bin/rsync -ave ssh --delete-after
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/lib/mailman/archives/private

I skipped step 3 in the guide since the domain is identical and has no
reason to change...

I then copied all /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/*mbox/*mbox to the new
server as shown below:

/usr/bin/rsync -ave ssh --delete-after
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/lib/mailman/archives/private


It seems you did this twice?


Now I am trying to understand step # 5 and I don't understand since my
system has no user or group called list so I can chown -R list:list.
Am I missing something? Right now since I can't execute step 5, when I
attempt to start mailman on my Linux server, I get the following
error:


In the message you quote above, 'list' is his MAILMAN_USER and
MAILMAN_GROUP. Yours are probably 'mailman'.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] cwilliams]# /etc/init.d/mailman start
Starting mailman: Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl, line 607, in ?
main()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl, line 426, in main
check_for_site_list()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl, line 326, in check_for_site_list
sitelist = MailList(sitelistname, lock=0)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 130, in __init__
self.Load()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 665, in Load
self.CheckVersion(dict)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 707, in CheckVersion
self.InitVars()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 404, in InitVars
baseclass.InitVars(self)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 96, in InitVars
os.mkdir(self.archive_dir()+'.mbox', 02775)
OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman.mbox'
   [FAILED]


Anyone know what I am missing or doing wrong?


Since your domain names don't change, you shouldn't need to do step 6.

For step 5, make sure that everything in lists/ and archives/ is your
mailman group.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration

[Carlos Williams]

Hello all!

I have built a new email server on my LAN and would like to move over
my Mailman content including archives over to my new email server and
was wondering if this is a common procedure / task? I am moving from a
RHEL4 to a RHEL5 server so not much is really too different in regards
to location and files. Is there a guide or write up the Mailman
community recommend I follow to perform this task?

I am currently running mailman-2.1.5.1-34.rhel4.6 on my production
server and my new server I plan to migrate to is running
mailman-2.1.9-2.

Thanks for any assistance and tips!

Carlos
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration

[Mark Sapiro]

Carlos Williams wrote:

I have built a new email server on my LAN and would like to move over
my Mailman content including archives over to my new email server and
was wondering if this is a common procedure / task? I am moving from a
RHEL4 to a RHEL5 server so not much is really too different in regards
to location and files. Is there a guide or write up the Mailman
community recommend I follow to perform this task?


See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.004.htp
and the links in the Note: in the 3rd paragraph.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman migration

[Brad Knowles]

At 6:27 PM -0500 11/23/06, Jason Dixon wrote:

  I'm migrating the Mailman 2.1.5 installation on a RHEL server to
  Mailman 2.1.8 on OpenBSD.

Version 2.1.8 had some serious security and operational problems.  If 
you're going to migrate, make sure you migrate to the latest version 
(2.1.9).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman migration

[Mark Sapiro]

Jason Dixon wrote:

I'm migrating the Mailman 2.1.5 installation on a RHEL server to  
Mailman 2.1.8 on OpenBSD.  I transferred all of the files in /var/ 
spool/mailman over and checked permissions and symlinks.  I've  
recreated all of the aliases on each server, as well as all of the  
Apache settings for mailman and pipermail.  Is there anything I might  
be overlooking in the Mailman installation directory (/usr/local/ 
mailman on RHEL, /usr/local/lib/mailman on OpenBSD)?


You definitely want the lists/ and archives/ directories and their
contents. This is the main thing. I suspect all that's in
/var/spool/mailman/ is the queue directories and that these will be in
/usr/local/lib/mailman/qfiles/ in the OpenBSD installation, and if the
system is quiescent when you migrate, they will be empty anyway. You
may also want the heldmsg-*, site.pw and creator.pw files from the
data/ directory.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman migration/reinstall?

[Anne Shroeder]

We've just had a crash and burn of our server and are migrating everything
to a new machine.  Mailman was previously installed by a consultant and Im
unable to reach him.  Any resources/tips for help/consultants out there to
help with either migrating from our current machine or reinstalling?
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[Mailman-Users] mailman migration

[Fabrice Barbarin]

Hi,

I was currently using mailman 2.0.13.
This system was deployed into /home/mailman directory.
I redeploy a new server in mandrake 9.2 I use the package mailman-2.1.2.
The current install is in /var/lib/mailman.

How can I import my previous mailing list configuration and archive from 
mailman 2.0.13 to my new mailman version?
I created symbolic links for /list and /archive to my previous version. But I 
didn't see previous mailinglists. Is there anything else that I should do?

Regards

Fabrice



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