Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and dmark help -- please
On 05/07/2015 10:05 PM, Dennis Longnecker wrote: Thanks for the assistance on this. It appears from the responses, there is nothing wrong with my mailman setup. I have noticed I am getting a bunch of these e-mails.This is all so confusing...just want to scouts in the troop to be able to send and receive e-mail from the mailing list. Any suggestions on how to fix this? This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: x...@gmail.com SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: host productio-tcloadba-tkyjfaz4ap1l-328615543.us-west-2.elb.amazonaws.com [54.214.243.124]: 550 5.7.1 [JR] Blocked. See https://console.mailchannels.net/insights/bounce?auid=arvixesender=scouts-b ounces%40troop101-wa.orgtxid=530e9876 It's hard to say for sure, but it looks to me like your outbound mail is being relayed through a mail server at Amazon Web Services, possibly by US-West and for some reason that server is not accepting these messages. It don't think it has anything to do with DMARC, but it might. I think it's more likely some kind of rate limiting or they just don't like the server that's sending to them. I think you will have to involve your hosting provider in diagnosing and fixing this issue. It may be some configuration in their outgoing mail that is the problem or something else, but without a whole lot more info than is in those bounce messages, I can't say. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and dmark help -- please
Thanks for the assistance on this. It appears from the responses, there is nothing wrong with my mailman setup. I have noticed I am getting a bunch of these e-mails.This is all so confusing...just want to scouts in the troop to be able to send and receive e-mail from the mailing list. Any suggestions on how to fix this? This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: x...@gmail.com SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: host productio-tcloadba-tkyjfaz4ap1l-328615543.us-west-2.elb.amazonaws.com [54.214.243.124]: 550 5.7.1 [JR] Blocked. See https://console.mailchannels.net/insights/bounce?auid=arvixesender=scouts-b ounces%40troop101-wa.orgtxid=530e9876 x...@yahoo.com SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: host productio-tcloadba-tkyjfaz4ap1l-328615543.us-west-2.elb.amazonaws.com [54.214.243.124]: 550 5.7.1 [JR] Blocked. See https://console.mailchannels.net/insights/bounce?auid=arvixesender=scouts-b ounces%40troop101-wa.orgtxid=530e9876 x...@hotmail.com SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: host productio-tcloadba-tkyjfaz4ap1l-328615543.us-west-2.elb.amazonaws.com [54.214.243.124]: 550 5.7.1 [JR] Blocked. See https://console.mailchannels.net/insights/bounce?auid=arvixesender=scouts-b ounces%40troop101-wa.orgtxid=530e9876 x...@wahzoo2.com SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: host productio-tcloadba-tkyjfaz4ap1l-328615543.us-west-2.elb.amazonaws.com [54.214.243.124]: 550 5.7.1 [JR] Blocked. See https://console.mailchannels.net/insights/bounce?auid=arvixesender=scouts-b ounces%40troop101-wa.orgtxid=530e9876 x...@eri-intl.com -Original Message- From: Dennis Longnecker [mailto:dlongnec...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 7:15 AM To: 'mailman-users@python.org' Subject: Mailman and dmark help -- please I have a mailing list setup for our boy scout troop. The site is running mailman version version 2.1.18-1. I looking at various lists, I believe I have as much set as I can. (Details for from_is_list) = Munge From I really -- really want the list set so when someone gets an e-mail from the list they can see who sent it and when they click reply it goes to the original sender. When I have the remove sender option, etc. People don't know who the e-mail came from or how to directly reply. I was reading about some DNS DMARC settings, but frankly it really confused me. What I have observed: E-mail from MSN to list Comcast Users = DOn't Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Don't Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. E-mail from GMAIL to list Comcast Users = DOn't Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Don't Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. E-mail from Comcast to list Comcast Users = DO Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Do Get it outlook.com = Do Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. E-mail from AOL to list Comcast Users = DO Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Dont Get it outlook.com = Dont Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. E-mail from Outlook to list Comcast Users = DO Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Dont Get it outlook.com = Dont Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. E-mail from Yahoo to list Comcast Users = DO Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Do Get it outlook.com = Do Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. Any sugestions? My site is troop101-wa.org if looking at its DNS records could help. Dennis -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman and dmark help -- please
I have a mailing list setup for our boy scout troop. The site is running mailman version version 2.1.18-1. I looking at various lists, I believe I have as much set as I can. (Details for from_is_list) = Munge From I really -- really want the list set so when someone gets an e-mail from the list they can see who sent it and when they click reply it goes to the original sender. When I have the remove sender option, etc. People don't know who the e-mail came from or how to directly reply. I was reading about some DNS DMARC settings, but frankly it really confused me. What I have observed: E-mail from MSN to list Comcast Users = DOn't Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Don't Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. E-mail from GMAIL to list Comcast Users = DOn't Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Don't Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. E-mail from Comcast to list Comcast Users = DO Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Do Get it outlook.com = Do Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. E-mail from AOL to list Comcast Users = DO Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Dont Get it outlook.com = Dont Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. E-mail from Outlook to list Comcast Users = DO Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Dont Get it outlook.com = Dont Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. E-mail from Yahoo to list Comcast Users = DO Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Do Get it outlook.com = Do Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. Any sugestions? My site is troop101-wa.org if looking at its DNS records could help. Dennis -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and dmark help -- please
Sent previously, but inadvertently to the OP only. Much overlap with Stephen's reply. On 05/01/2015 07:14 AM, Dennis Longnecker wrote: I have a mailing list setup for our boy scout troop. The site is running mailman version version 2.1.18-1. I looking at various lists, I believe I have as much set as I can. (Details for from_is_list) = Munge From While it doesn't really say so, from_is_list should be considered deprecated. Use Privacy options... - Sender filters - dmarc_moderation_action instead for a less generally disruptive approach. I really -- really want the list set so when someone gets an e-mail from the list they can see who sent it and when they click reply it goes to the original sender. When I have the remove sender option, etc. People don't know who the e-mail came from or how to directly reply. What remove sender option? Have you set anonymous_list = Yes? I was reading about some DNS DMARC settings, but frankly it really confused me. What I have observed: E-mail from MSN to list Comcast Users = DOn't Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Don't Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. This isn't DMARC. msn.com doesn't publish a DMARC policy. E-mail from GMAIL to list Comcast Users = DOn't Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Don't Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. This isn't DMARC. gmail.com publishes a DMARC p=none policy. E-mail from Comcast to list Comcast Users = DO Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Do Get it outlook.com = Do Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. This isn't DMARC. comcast.net publishes a DMARC p=none policy. Also, only AOL doesn't like it. E-mail from AOL to list Comcast Users = DO Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Dont Get it outlook.com = Dont Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. aol.com publishes DMARC p=reject. Comcast honors that policy, so whatever DMARC mitigation policy is in effect seems to be working in this case. E-mail from Outlook to list Comcast Users = DO Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Dont Get it outlook.com = Dont Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. This isn't DMARC. outlook.com publishes a DMARC p=none policy. E-mail from Yahoo to list Comcast Users = DO Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Do Get it outlook.com = Do Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. See AOL above. The same things apply to yahoo.com. Any sugestions? My site is troop101-wa.org if looking at its DNS records could help. I see you do have an SPF record which is good in general, but won't help with DMARC. You might also consider DKIM signing your outgoing mail which also will help in general but not with DMARC. You clearly have deliverability issues, but they don't seem to be DMARC related. Also, simple From: munging for DMARC should preserve the From: display name or list member's 'real name' in the resulting From: John Doe via list l...@example.com header and put the original From: data in Reply-To: so with an RFC compliant MUA, 'reply' will go to the original From: and 'reply all' will go to the original From: and the list. What are your settings for General Options - from_is_list anonymous_list first_strip_reply_to reply_goes_to_list reply_to_address For your deliverability, you need to see the server's outgoing MTA logs to see if any of the undelivered mail is rejected at SMTP time and why and also look at Mailman's bounce log to see if mail is otherwise bouncing. You probably have to get your hosting provider to do this if you can. See http://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel. Also see http://wiki.list.org/x/4030690 for some general information on deliverability. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman and dmark help -- please
Dennis Longnecker writes: I really -- really want the list set so when someone gets an e-mail from the list they can see who sent it and when they click reply it goes to the original sender. Given your user base, the only way to accomplish this is to set your list so that there is *no* header text inserted in the message body, there is *no* footer text appended to the message body, and no list tag or serial number prepended to the Subject field. Then the AOL and Yahoo! DMARC policies won't matter, because the DKIM signatures will continue to verify. From munging can't quite do what you want, IIRC, and Wrapping will definitely cause serious problems for some subscribers and be ugly for all. AOL Users = Don't Get it I don't know why they don't get any mail, but I suspect that AOL has decided your list is a spam source. You'll have to ask AOL about that. However, mxtoolbox.com says you're not on any blacklists: http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a198.58.94.90run=toolpage# E-mail from MSN to list Comcast Users = DOn't Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Don't Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. I have no clue about this one. Perhaps it has something to do with the DNS issue described at the very end, but I would think that would mean each recipient would either get all mail or get none. E-mail from GMAIL to list Comcast Users = DOn't Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Don't Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. This has nothing to do with DMARC, as gmail.com has a p=none policy. E-mail from Comcast to list Comcast Users = DO Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Do Get it outlook.com = Do Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. This is the expected outcome, comcast.net also has p=none. E-mail from AOL to list Comcast Users = DO Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Dont Get it outlook.com = Dont Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. This is semi-expected; I'm surprised that Comcast doesn't respect AOL's p=reject policy. E-mail from Outlook to list Comcast Users = DO Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Dont Get it outlook.com = Dont Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. This has nothing to do with DMARC, as gmail.com has a p=none policy. E-mail from Yahoo to list Comcast Users = DO Get it AOL Users = Don't Get it Yahoo Users = Do Get it outlook.com = Do Get it users with arvixe accounts = Do Get it. This is semi-expected; I'm surprised that Comcast doesn't respect Yahoo!'s p=reject policy. Any sugestions? My site is troop101-wa.org if looking at its DNS records could help. Your MX record says to send mail to troop101-wa.org, but the A record says the IP address is 198.58.94.90, and the reverse lookup on the IP resolves to stats.puffin.arvixe.com. I don't know if this is a problem that could cause mail failure or not. You could try changing the MX record to stats.puffin.arvixe.com. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
