Re: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe blunder

2009-09-02 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Jeffrey Goldberg jeff...@goldmark.org:
 This is more of a list management question than a Mailman question,
 but I need your collective wisdom
 
 I just did a mass Subscribe (288 address) for a list where I had
 intended to do a mass Invite.

You can retrieve the addresses from the mailman subscribe (sp?) log.
That way you could either unsubscribe them OR create a temporary list
telling the you meant to invite them but fubared the whole thing.

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[Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe blunder

2009-09-01 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg
This is more of a list management question than a Mailman question,  
but I need your collective wisdom


I just did a mass Subscribe (288 address) for a list where I had  
intended to do a mass Invite.


The addresses come from a sign up sheet specifically for this list,  
but the combination of some not very legible addresses along with the  
potential for typos (I typed them all in) mean that will almost  
certainly be a handful of addresses subscribed that have no interest  
in the Wilson Middle School PTA Newsletter (Plano, TX).


Obviously this was a situation where an Invite was what was needed.  I  
had just overlooked the radio button for this.


I'm hopeful that I will be able to explain and apologize to anyone who  
complains to me, but I fear that I won't have that opportunity and  
will get blocked by the likes of AoL right off the bat.


Any advice is welcome.

-j

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe blunder

2009-09-01 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 02:51:45PM -0500, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:
 I just did a mass Subscribe (288 address) for a list where I had  
 intended to do a mass Invite.

[...]
 I'm hopeful that I will be able to explain and apologize to anyone who  
 complains to me, but I fear that I won't have that opportunity and  
 will get blocked by the likes of AoL right off the bat.
 
 Any advice is welcome.

Be pre-emptive/pro-active and mail the people you sub'd explaining
that you meant to invite them to join the list, but human error caused
them to be subscribed; that the list is low-traffic/announcements from
the school only (or whatever). Provide a link to *their* options page,
along with something like:
I understand if you want to unsubscribe -- you can so do via
http://foo.example.org/mailman/options/emailaddy

(It's the sort of thing I'd grep the subscribe log for, and then let
some perl/bash mail each person, giving them their customized URIs.)

If you didn't send a welcome message, a slightly cheeky option is to
unsub (without notification), and invite the folks.

(Still, it's a lot better than sending a reply about privacy policy to
a complete list of a few k subscribers, rather than the individual you
thought you were sending it to: there's a reason my external lists are
set to require all posts to be approved, even those from staff.)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe blunder

2009-09-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Adam McGreggor wrote:

On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 02:51:45PM -0500, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:
 I just did a mass Subscribe (288 address) for a list where I had  
 intended to do a mass Invite.

[...]
 I'm hopeful that I will be able to explain and apologize to anyone who  
 complains to me, but I fear that I won't have that opportunity and  
 will get blocked by the likes of AoL right off the bat.
 
 Any advice is welcome.

[...]
If you didn't send a welcome message, a slightly cheeky option is to
unsub (without notification), and invite the folks.


OTOH, if you did send a welcome, check Mailman's bounce log for bounces
and delete those addresses from the list.

If you don't repeatedly mail to non-existent or spam-trap addresses at
the large ISPs, they probably won't block you unless they get multiple
complaints.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe blunder

2009-09-01 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg

On Sep 1, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:


Adam McGreggor wrote:


On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 02:51:45PM -0500, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:

I just did a mass Subscribe (288 address) for a list where I had
intended to do a mass Invite.



If you didn't send a welcome message, a slightly cheeky option is to
unsub (without notification), and invite the folks.


OTOH, if you did send a welcome, check Mailman's bounce log for  
bounces

and delete those addresses from the list.


Thank you!  That is extremely obvious once you point it out, but since  
I've never run a list with unconfirmed addresses before that had  
completely slipped my mind.


As it turns out, 31 out of 288 addresses were bouncing.  So the  
transcription error rate was much worse than I'd anticipated.


Cheers,

-j


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