Re: [Mailman-Users] Member list in header/footer
On 04 Jun 2001 13:24:58 -0400, Scott Barron wrote: Those that sign my paycheck wish to see the list of member addresses in the message header. Can I do this with the current mailman? I've found where to add headers and the list of variables to insert certain things but the member list wasn't one of them. If this can not be done with a stock install where might I look in the source to add such a thing? Technically this is possible to do, as outlined by Barry. However it is a very silly thing to do - do you want *every* member of the list in the headers, or just the ones handled by this delivery (Mailman tends to batch deliveries into chunks of recipients)? A thousand recipients, at (say) 50 bytes per recipient will add 50K of headers. At this point you will find some MTAs will explode when they get a header or a multiple header set of this length. When someone gets a message like this and replies to it you can just bet they use reply to all - so a copy goes to the list (is that still in the headers) and another copy goes to each list member. Then people complain about double receiving messages, of course sending the complaints to everyone and before you know it you have a mail loop of sorts and a lot of unhappy people. Autoreply functions, which are in general terminally stupid, now have more addresses to autospam... Everyone's email addresses are out there and available for spam address harvesters. If you have dealings with EU people you have probably just broken EU data protection legislation by broadcasting personal data (email addresses) without adequate permissions and safeguards. You *really* need to push back on this... mailing lists work the way they do for a reason, and breaking them without good technical reason will give you pain. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ Phone: +44 1423 85 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] [ - Security is not an add-on -- security is a way of life - ] -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Member list in header/footer
Well, I managed to add a List-Members: header (along with the other List-* headers in Cookheader.py). Believe me, I think this is just as stupid an idea as you do and will try one more time to explain the purpose of mailing list software. You raise some good points that I will bring up to my boss. The problem is he is used to maintaining his list as a list of addresses in Eudora or something like that (not familiar with that software). Thanks for the tips, Scott On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 09:43:27AM +0100, Nigel Metheringham wrote: Technically this is possible to do, as outlined by Barry. However it is a very silly thing to do - do you want *every* member of the list in the headers, or just the ones handled by this delivery (Mailman tends to batch deliveries into chunks of recipients)? A thousand recipients, at (say) 50 bytes per recipient will add 50K of headers. At this point you will find some MTAs will explode when they get a header or a multiple header set of this length. When someone gets a message like this and replies to it you can just bet they use reply to all - so a copy goes to the list (is that still in the headers) and another copy goes to each list member. Then people complain about double receiving messages, of course sending the complaints to everyone and before you know it you have a mail loop of sorts and a lot of unhappy people. Autoreply functions, which are in general terminally stupid, now have more addresses to autospam... Everyone's email addresses are out there and available for spam address harvesters. If you have dealings with EU people you have probably just broken EU data protection legislation by broadcasting personal data (email addresses) without adequate permissions and safeguards. You *really* need to push back on this... mailing lists work the way they do for a reason, and breaking them without good technical reason will give you pain. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ Phone: +44 1423 85 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] [ - Security is not an add-on -- security is a way of life - ] -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Member list in header/footer
Hello all, Those that sign my paycheck wish to see the list of member addresses in the message header. Can I do this with the current mailman? I've found where to add headers and the list of variables to insert certain things but the member list wasn't one of them. If this can not be done with a stock install where might I look in the source to add such a thing? I think this to be just an odd a request as the rest of you probably do but you know how management gets! Thanks, Scott PGP signature
