Re: [Mailman-Users] New High Performance Installation

2002-05-15 Thread J C Lawrence

On Wed, 15 May 2002 06:46:45 -0700 
Jamie Penner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> > The list volume is approx 400,000 emails daily.  Twice a month,
>> this > will jump to 700,000 a day.  These will be html and text
>> messages - > outgoing only.

> It's an outgoing list only.  There are 400K subscribers that will
> receive "a message",



>> Your MTA will be the source of your performance problems.  Spend your
>> time there.  Carefully.  MTA and system tuning is a careful and
>> detailed process.  Read the FAQ.

> The intention is to use Sendmail.  Have you had better results with a
> different MTA?

Yes.  Sendmail is generally not a particularly good performer.  I'd
recommend Postfix at this point.  

>> Is anyone familiar with a MailMan installation doing this type of
>> volume or does anyone have any advice on this install.
 
>> Yes.

> Excellent!  Thanks for your advice.  I will discuss these with the
> client today as they make good sense.

Make sure you also read all the tuning sections of the FAQ.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] New High Performance Installation

2002-05-15 Thread Jamie Penner



> > The list volume is approx 400,000 emails daily.  Twice a month, this
> > will jump to 700,000 a day.  These will be html and text messages -
> > outgoing only.

It's an outgoing list only.There are 400K subscribers that will receive 
"a message",


>   Your MTA will be the source of your performance problems.  Spend your
>   time there.  Carefully.  MTA and system tuning is a careful and
>   detailed process.  Read the FAQ.

The intention is to use Sendmail.   Have you had better results with a 
different MTA?



>   I'd generally recommend that you use a physically different system for
>   final deliveries than the one Mailman runs on.  The easy way to do
>   this is to have Mailman deliver to localhost, and then configure the
>   MTA on localhost to use a smarthost.

I hear you.I will work on that one.



>  Is anyone familiar with a MailMan installation doing this type of
>  volume or does anyone have any advice on this install.
>
>Yes.

Excellent!  Thanks for your advice.   I will discuss these with the client 
today as they make good sense.





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Re: [Mailman-Users] New High Performance Installation

2002-05-15 Thread J C Lawrence

On Mon, 13 May 2002 12:55:14 -0700 
Jamie Penner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The list volume is approx 400,000 emails daily.  Twice a month, this
> will jump to 700,000 a day.  These will be html and text messages -
> outgoing only.

Let's be a little more clear as to what numbers these are:

  How many subscribers?

  How many messages sent to the list for broadcast (not how many the
  list will send, but how many sent TO the list)?

I doubt you wish to send 400K messages to each of your subscribers.
I suspect that you have 400K subscribers etc.

Notes:

  Recommend Mailman 2.1beta instead of 2.0.10.

  Your MTA will be the source of your performance problems.  Spend your
  time there.  Carefully.  MTA and system tuning is a careful and
  detailed process.  Read the FAQ.  

  I'd generally recommend that you use a physically different system for
  final deliveries than the one Mailman runs on.  The easy way to do
  this is to have Mailman deliver to localhost, and then configure the
  MTA on localhost to use a smarthost.

> PIII 1.3Ghz dual CPU (512KB L2 cache), 512MB PC133 ECC Registered
> (1x512), 2x18GB Ultra160 1rpm (RAID 1 configuration), 32MB cache
> high-performance Mylex AcceleRAID controller (A170), Tyan Thunder LE-T
> S2518UNG (Intel ServerWorks ServerSet III chipset), CD-ROM drive, dual
> 100Mb/s FE, VGA, Dual-channel Adaptec Ultra160 SCSI controller, 400W
> power supply

Add some RAM.  

Make sure that /var/spool is mounted noatime.

If you can, dedicate a physical RAID array to /var/spool that is not
shared with any other partitions.  

You'll need more disks to do this.

Turn of fsync in syslog.

etc etc 

> Is anyone familiar with a MailMan installation doing this type of
> volume or does anyone have any advice on this install.

Yes.

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[Mailman-Users] New High Performance Installation

2002-05-14 Thread Jamie Penner


Hello list!

We've recently taken on a new client who has a very heavy list.I am 
wondering if anyone can shed some feedback on whether MailMan is the right 
answer for this!   (the client is currently using ezmlm but I am trying to 
move away from that)

The list volume is approx 400,000 emails daily.   Twice a month, this will 
jump to 700,000 a day.These will be html and text messages - outgoing only.

The hardware that this will run on is:

PIII 1.3Ghz dual CPU (512KB L2 cache), 512MB PC133 ECC Registered
(1x512), 2x18GB Ultra160 1rpm (RAID 1 configuration), 32MB cache 
high-performance
Mylex AcceleRAID controller (A170), Tyan Thunder LE-T S2518UNG (Intel 
ServerWorks
ServerSet III chipset), CD-ROM drive, dual 100Mb/s FE, VGA, Dual-channel 
Adaptec
Ultra160 SCSI controller, 400W power supply

Is anyone familiar with a MailMan installation doing this type of volume or 
does anyone have any advice on this install.

Thanks in advance!




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[Mailman-Users] New High Performance Installation

2002-05-13 Thread Jamie Penner


Hello list!

We've recently taken on a new client who has a very heavy list.I am 
wondering if anyone can shed some feedback on whether MailMan is the right 
answer for this!   (the client is currently using ezmlm but I am trying to 
move away from that)

The list volume is approx 400,000 emails daily.   Twice a month, this will 
jump to 700,000 a day.These will be html and text messages - outgoing only.

The hardware that this will run on is:

PIII 1.3Ghz dual CPU (512KB L2 cache), 512MB PC133 ECC Registered
(1x512), 2x18GB Ultra160 1rpm (RAID 1 configuration), 32MB cache 
high-performance
Mylex AcceleRAID controller (A170), Tyan Thunder LE-T S2518UNG (Intel 
ServerWorks
ServerSet III chipset), CD-ROM drive, dual 100Mb/s FE, VGA, Dual-channel 
Adaptec
Ultra160 SCSI controller, 400W power supply

Is anyone familiar with a MailMan installation doing this type of volume or 
does anyone have any advice on this install.

Thanks in advance!






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