[Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members

[jdd]

Hello,

This is my first mail to this list, fogive me if i miss some 
netiquette :-(


I have the problem in subject (No mail going out to lists members) on 
a new mailman install, using openSUSE 12.1 server


mailman receives mails and archive them:

http://culte.org/pipermail/linux-31/2012-February/thread.html

I scanned all the instructions in the page

http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/4.78+Troubleshooting-+No+mail+going+out+to+lists+members

without finding any problem, but I may have misunderstood some part of 
it as this did not fix my problems.


I documented my work here (sorry, in french) 
http://dodin.org/wordpress/?p=13


last thing I did is scan the mailman log messages.

In openSUSE, mailman is spread between ~mailman in the usual 
/var/lib/mailman place and /usrLib/mailman. MTA postfix (perfectly 
running, I can send a mail from the mailman account)


I blanked out the log files (renaming the log folder, creating a new 
one and using check_perm to fix the permissions)


I send a message to the linux-31 mailing list, I got this error message:

Feb 20 10:27:58 2012 (10832) Uncaught runner exception: Use of the 
Sendmail.py delivery module is highly discouraged

Feb 20 10:27:58 2012 (10832) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 74, 
in _dispose

self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py", line 71, in 
process
assert 0, 'Use of the Sendmail.py delivery module is highly 
discouraged'
AssertionError: Use of the Sendmail.py delivery module is highly 
discouraged


Feb 20 10:27:58 2012 (10832) SHUNTING: 
1329730077.990159+731f2f19a770d9f674f4bc34e0d3328b894fc605


grunner logs say:
Feb 20 10:26:13 2012 (10832) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.

NOTICE:
I tried to paste the mailman aliases in /etc/alias, because this 
looked like an alias problem.


doing so I got an answer from mailman saying

: Command died with status 2:
"/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post linux-31". Command output: 
Failure to

exec script. WANTED gid 67, GOT gid 65533.

so I reverted to the dual alias system where I have already
mailman:root
mailman-owner:  mailman


any idea?

thanks
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[Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members

[Frank L. Parks]

Version of Mailman: 2.1.2
Installed from source
Version of OS: SuSE 8.0
MTA: Sendmail

I have used
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp as
guide in trying to track down my problem, but it seems to be a mystery.

0. Ran check_perms - no problem
1. Checked out grep for cron and mailmanctl no problem
2. Check aliases as written in faq - problem wrapper came back to majordomo.
Substituted mailman for wrapper and all of the aliases appeared and pointed
to the proper place.
3. Checked for Smrsh - no smrsh
4. Interface.  No problem currently running production mail server.
5. qrunner does not appear to be a problem.  Checked the qrunner log and
there are commands in it for ArchRunner, CommandRunner, BounceRunner,
IncomingRunner, VirginRunner, NewsRunner, and OutgoingRunner
6. Locks - Checked out and running process matched
7. Logs - The mail log looks good.  It shows the incoming from me and to the
list.
   Started checking Mailman logs:
   error - empty
   smtp-failure - doesn't exist
   smtp - I don't believe looks right.  There are messages when I set up the
list,   but none from when I sent in the test message
   vette - doesn't exist
   config - doesn't exist
   post - doesn't exist
   qrunner - as I stated earlier, no visible problems.  No locking problems,
etc.
8. Qfiles - all directories are empty

What other information do I need to provide?  I'm able to add users, modify
the different list configuration files, etc. through the web interface.  I
can even upload batch mass subscriptions and get the responses back.

The one primary thing that I've noticed is that it returns the email to the
list back to me without the [x-list] on the front.  No error message -
nothing.

Hopefully, someone can help find the forest for the trees.

Thanks,

Frank



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[Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members

[Carl Parrish]

Info
I'm running mailman 2.1.4
I installed from source.
I'm running it on SUSE 8.2 (x86_64)
MTA is qmail
After a *very* long time I'm just about done running it all except my 
messages don't seem to be sent out. qmails ' log shows them as being 
successfull.
When I run qrunner from the command line I get this.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/mailman/bin> /usr/bin/python -S ./qrunner -r 
Outgoing
Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "./qrunner", line 270, in ?
   main()
 File "./qrunner", line 230, in main
   qrunner.run()
 File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 65, in run
   filecnt = self._oneloop()
 File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 93, in _oneloop
   msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
 File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 156, in 
dequeue
   data = self._ext_read(dbfile)
 File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 262, in 
_ext_read
   dict = marshal.load(fp)

Please help. I'm just about ready to pull out my hair. Can anyone tell 
me what this means?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members

[Mark Sapiro]

jdd wrote:
>
>I send a message to the linux-31 mailing list, I got this error message:
>
>Feb 20 10:27:58 2012 (10832) Uncaught runner exception: Use of the 
>Sendmail.py delivery module is highly discouraged
>Feb 20 10:27:58 2012 (10832) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in _oneloop
> self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in _onefile
> keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 74, 
>in _dispose
> self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py", line 71, in 
>process
> assert 0, 'Use of the Sendmail.py delivery module is highly 
>discouraged'
>AssertionError: Use of the Sendmail.py delivery module is highly 
>discouraged
>
>Feb 20 10:27:58 2012 (10832) SHUNTING: 
>1329730077.990159+731f2f19a770d9f674f4bc34e0d3328b894fc605


Remove the line

DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'

from mm_cfg.py.

Then if you want the shunted messages to be delivered, run

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/unshunt

Otherwise

rm /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/shunt/*


>NOTICE:
>I tried to paste the mailman aliases in /etc/alias, because this 
>looked like an alias problem.


It is not an alias problem. Aliases have to do with delivery of
incoming mail to Mailman. Your problem was with sending outgoing mail
from Mailman.


>doing so I got an answer from mailman saying
>
>: Command died with status 2:
> "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post linux-31". Command output: 
>Failure to
> exec script. WANTED gid 67, GOT gid 65533.
>
>so I reverted to the dual alias system where I have already
>mailman:root
>mailman-owner:  mailman


Good.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members

[jdd]

Le 20/02/2012 16:55, Mark Sapiro a écrit :


Remove the line

DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'

from mm_cfg.py.


done (commented out)

even after rstarting mailman, this do not change the result (no delivery)

but I still have
Feb 20 19:38:44 2012 (10832) Uncaught runner exception: Use of the 
Sendmail.py delivery module is highly discouraged





Then if you want the shunted messages to be delivered, run

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/unshunt


don't work (messages still in the shunt folder)



Otherwise

rm /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/shunt/*


this works, for sure. done.

I had also messages in /var/lib/mailman/data like 
"heldmsg-linux-31-11.pck". I also removed them


I posted a couple of messages on the list, no return

I have
Feb 20 19:42:00 2012 (28177) post to linux-31 from jdani...@free.fr, 
size=1607, message-id=<4f4293f1.4090...@free.fr>, 2 failures


in post log file

Feb 20 19:42:00 2012 (28177) delivery to j...@dodin.org failed with 
code -1: [Errno -2] Name or service not known


on smtp logs

I have this in mm_cfg.py:

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'culte.org'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'culte.org'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'culte.org'
MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias'
POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap'
#DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'

what can i do else?

thanks
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members

[Mark Sapiro]

On 2/20/2012 10:55 AM, jdd wrote:
> 
> I posted a couple of messages on the list, no return
> 
> I have
> Feb 20 19:42:00 2012 (28177) post to linux-31 from jdani...@free.fr,
> size=1607, message-id=<4f4293f1.4090...@free.fr>, 2 failures
> 
> in post log file
> 
> Feb 20 19:42:00 2012 (28177) delivery to j...@dodin.org failed with code
> -1: [Errno -2] Name or service not known
> 
> on smtp logs


See the FAQs at  and
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members

[jdd]

thanks to your answers, but none give result. I was even obliged to 
revert to a previous (virtualbox) snapshot because after reboot I 
couldn't configure the network :-)


that said, trying as many things, I finally got a cleaner mailman 
folder. Clean logs, shunts, helds...


Now, sending a couple of mails to a list (archives here 
http://culte.org/pipermail/linux-31/2012-February/thread.html), still 
not sent to the list members, I only find in ~mailman/qfiles files in 
"retry", *including the test files* (with lot of spam)


these files are binary, but with many human readable parts. The one 
corresponding to the problematic mail keep changing name (looks like 
mailman try to send it and fails each time)


I can understand the content but it's only 2.8k, so I join it to this 
post, may be it will give clues


thanks
jdd

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members

[jdd]

Le 21/02/2012 11:19, jdd a écrit :


I can understand the content but it's only 2.8k, so I join it to this
post, may be it will give clues


do not pass the list. It's here:
http://dodin.org/temp/mailproblem.pck

thanks
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members

[jdd]

got it...
for some obscure reason, the openSUSE config utility did *not* update 
the mm_cfg.py config file (and copied the good one next with an extension)


using this config file solved the problem.

the local config (good) is:

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'savage-reborn'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'culte.org'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'culte.org'
MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias'
POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap'
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
SMTPPORT = '25'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
IMAGE_LOGOS = '/mailmanicons/'


thanks
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members

[Mark Sapiro]

jdd wrote:
>
>I can understand the content but it's only 2.8k, so I join it to this 
>post, may be it will give clues


You can examine Mailman's saved Python pickle (.pck) files with
Mailman's bin/dumpdb.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members

[Mark Sapiro]

jdd wrote:

>got it...
>for some obscure reason, the openSUSE config utility did *not* update 
>the mm_cfg.py config file (and copied the good one next with an extension)


A Mailman install/upgrade should never replace an existing mm_cfg.py as
that is where you put your site customization of Mailman's defaults
and you wouldn't want an upgrade to overwrite your site settings.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members

[jdd]

Le 21/02/2012 18:35, Mark Sapiro a écrit :

jdd wrote:


got it...
for some obscure reason, the openSUSE config utility did *not* update
the mm_cfg.py config file (and copied the good one next with an extension)



A Mailman install/upgrade should never replace an existing mm_cfg.py as
that is where you put your site customization of Mailman's defaults
and you wouldn't want an upgrade to overwrite your site settings.



it was a first time install. I beg I got a look to the file before 
beginning config.


learning is sometime hard :-)

thanks for help

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members

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Wow!  I think that is the best problem ticket I've ever seen for
mailman.

You checked cron, so you are not running qrunner out of cron. You *are*
running Mailmanctl which starts up the qrunners.

The aliases should be taking the incoming mail and handing them off to
cgi's that either handle the incoming mail or stuff it into a queue (to
be handled by one of the qrunners).

If you've checked the mail logs, and they show that they delivered mail
to the lists (and handed it off to the cgi "post"), but the mail is not
showing up in the queues, then it sounds like there is a problem with
sendmail executing the "post" cgi.

Try this...
 - turn off the Mailman daemon: mailmanctl stop

 - send a message to one of your mailman lists:
echo "i'm gumby dammit" |mail -s "test from gumby" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 - look in the Sendmail logs to see that it was accepted (one entry) and
delivered (another entry):
=== tail /var/log/maillog ===
Sep 18 22:58:36 Anncons4 sendmail[3241]: h8J2wahH003241:
[EMAIL PROTECTED], ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=relay, pri=30046, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0,
stat=Sent (h8J2wam8003243 Message accepted for delivery)
===
Sep 18 22:58:36 Anncons4 sendmail[3244]: h8J2wam8003243:
to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test",
ctladdr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (8/0), delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30599, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
==

 - then examine the aliases file and make sure the alias for the list
looks like:
test:"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test"

 - Now look in the queue files:
cd /var/mailman/qfiles/in
ls 
  1063940316.823126+7e222a98096d06bd97f15e251156679fdb034db8.db
  1063940316.823126+7e222a98096d06bd97f15e251156679fdb034db8.msg
###
### The *.msg file should contain text of your message###


If that much is working, then your aliases are properly setup and
working with Sendmail. The Mailman version 2.1 cgi "post" is working as
well and placing messages into the inbound Mailman queue for processing.

If you are getting messages into the inbound queue, the next step is to
startup Mailman: mailmanctl start
Then check the queues to make sure that they have been processed by
qrunner.  The logs should show any errors or warnings at this point.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes


On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 17:25, Frank L. Parks wrote:
> Version of Mailman: 2.1.2
> Installed from source
> Version of OS: SuSE 8.0
> MTA: Sendmail
> 
> I have used
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp as
> guide in trying to track down my problem, but it seems to be a mystery.
> 
> 0. Ran check_perms - no problem
> 1. Checked out grep for cron and mailmanctl no problem
> 2. Check aliases as written in faq - problem wrapper came back to majordomo.
> Substituted mailman for wrapper and all of the aliases appeared and pointed
> to the proper place.
> 3. Checked for Smrsh - no smrsh
> 4. Interface.  No problem currently running production mail server.
> 5. qrunner does not appear to be a problem.  Checked the qrunner log and
> there are commands in it for ArchRunner, CommandRunner, BounceRunner,
> IncomingRunner, VirginRunner, NewsRunner, and OutgoingRunner
> 6. Locks - Checked out and running process matched
> 7. Logs - The mail log looks good.  It shows the incoming from me and to the
> list.
>Started checking Mailman logs:
>error - empty
>smtp-failure - doesn't exist
>smtp - I don't believe looks right.  There are messages when I set up the
> list,   but none from when I sent in the test message
>vette - doesn't exist
>config - doesn't exist
>post - doesn't exist
>qrunner - as I stated earlier, no visible problems.  No locking problems,
> etc.
> 8. Qfiles - all directories are empty
> 
> What other information do I need to provide?  I'm able to add users, modify
> the different list configuration files, etc. through the web interface.  I
> can even upload batch mass subscriptions and get the responses back.
> 
> The one primary thing that I've noticed is that it returns the email to the
> list back to me without the [x-list] on the front.  No error message -
> nothing.
> 
> Hopefully, someone can help find the forest for the trees.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
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RE: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members

[Frank L. Parks]

Jon,

 

Thank you for the reply.  I just realized by going through this exercise
that I didn't have the aliases for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to test and this
was why it was coming straight to me (I'm the garbage collector).  Bad
Frank.  In other words read #2 below for aliases for Sendmail
(http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp)
virtual domains.

 

I put in the above alias pair and now things are going wrong, but at least
I'm getting some messages.

 

Mail log:

 

Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail

wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but

the system's mail server executed the mail script as

group "daemon".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the

script as group "mailman", or re-run configure, 

providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=daemon'.

554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

 

OK. No major problem (I hope).

 

Ran the configure with the above option

Went to /usr/local/ and changed mailman to the daemon group id (see install
instructions for those of you who may wondering where that came from) - also
see check_param up next.

 

Did the make install

 

cd /usr/local/mailman/bin

./check_param -f (per install instructions)

Oops 1574 errors

./check_param -f (per install instructions)

No problems found

 

Reran the test to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and surprise, surprise it worked.

 

Showing me the detail and the additional debugging techniques helped me out
tremendously.  I really appreciate it.  Once I was able to get error
message, I could track down the rest.  You stare at the problem too long and
your brain freezes (or at least turns to the consistency of slush in my
case).

 

Thanks,

 

Frank

 

BTW, I appreciate the compliment about the detail in the problem ticket.  I
hate people not giving me enough information and then expect me to divine an
answer (amateurs).  I stated that I followed the faq page and I should give
out the results of exactly what I did.  Unfortunately, I missed the part
about checking Sendmail for virtual domains (trying to work against a
deadline isn't be an excuse just a fact).  Again thanks.  My problem was
that I was seeing the forwarding to me (I'm also on the list) and I thought
it was doing the forwarding and it was doing default routing.  Now I have to
go and setup all of the other missing aliases.

 

-Original Message-
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:12 PM
To: Frank L. Parks
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members

 

Wow!  I think that is the best problem ticket I've ever seen for

mailman.

 

You checked cron, so you are not running qrunner out of cron. You *are*

running Mailmanctl which starts up the qrunners.

 

The aliases should be taking the incoming mail and handing them off to

cgi's that either handle the incoming mail or stuff it into a queue (to

be handled by one of the qrunners).

 

If you've checked the mail logs, and they show that they delivered mail

to the lists (and handed it off to the cgi "post"), but the mail is not

showing up in the queues, then it sounds like there is a problem with

sendmail executing the "post" cgi.

 

Try this...

 - turn off the Mailman daemon: mailmanctl stop

 

 - send a message to one of your mailman lists:

echo "i'm gumby dammit" |mail -s "test from gumby" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 - look in the Sendmail logs to see that it was accepted (one entry) and

delivered (another entry):

=== tail /var/log/maillog ===

Sep 18 22:58:36 Anncons4 sendmail[3241]: h8J2wahH003241:

[EMAIL PROTECTED], ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00,

mailer=relay, pri=30046, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0,

stat=Sent (h8J2wam8003243 Message accepted for delivery)

===

Sep 18 22:58:36 Anncons4 sendmail[3244]: h8J2wam8003243:

to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test",

ctladdr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (8/0), delay=00:00:00,

xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30599, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

==

 

 - then examine the aliases file and make sure the alias for the list

looks like:

test:"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test"

 

 - Now look in the queue files:

cd /var/mailman/qfiles/in

ls 

  1063940316.823126+7e222a98096d06bd97f15e251156679fdb034db8.db

  1063940316.823126+7e222a98096d06bd97f15e251156679fdb034db8.msg

###

### The *.msg file should contain text of your message###

 

 

If that much is working, then your aliases are properly setup and

working with Sendmail. The Mailman version 2.1 cgi "post" is working as

well and placing messages into the inbound Mailman queue for processing.

 

If you are getting messages into the inbound queue, the next step is to

startup Mailman: mailmanctl start

Then check the queues to make sure that they have been p

[Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members with RH 8 RPM

[florian]

Hello

This is my first step with the Mailinglist.

  - I have try it to install mailman with the RPM mailman-2.0.13-3.i386.rpm
  - My system ist RedHat 8.0 whit sendmail

My problem is:
The installation was succsesfully. 
/var/mailman/bin/check_perms was succsesfully.
The admin Web-Page is ready.
When i join a new Member, then he become a Mail.
The maillog ist also ok.

But when i send a Mail to the Maillist-Adress it doesn\'t works and the Mail going in 
the root Inbox.
No mail going out to lists members!

Can anybody help me?

Sorry for my bad english

thx
Florian

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members with RH 8 RPM

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>   - I have try it to install mailman with the RPM mailman-2.0.13-3.i386.rpm
>   - My system ist RedHat 8.0 whit sendmail
>
> My problem is:
> The installation was succsesfully. 
> /var/mailman/bin/check_perms was succsesfully.
> The admin Web-Page is ready.
> When i join a new Member, then he become a Mail.
> The maillog ist also ok.
>
> But when i send a Mail to the Maillist-Adress it doesn\'t works and
> the Mail going in the root Inbox.  No mail going out to lists
> members!

Did you add the aliases for the list you created to the aliases file
and run newaliases?

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