Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords
Hi Mark Thank you for this - you have saved the day! :-) Cron job run. Everyone now has their password. Phew. I have done 3 to 5 (of your message) in the control panel, too. Regards Rachel At 15:56 10/09/2008, Mark Sapiro wrote: ... Once a person is a list member, you can't send another welcome message without unsubscribing and resubscribing the member. You can send a password reminder to everyone on the list by first making sure that Send monthly password reminders? on the General Options page is set to Yes and then from a shell, running Mailman's cron/mailpasswds -l listname To ensure the welcome is sent when doing mass subscribes in the future 1. Log into Mailman control panel 2. Scroll down the General Options to List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message 3. Enter any text to be sent in the message as well as the password 3. Optionally enter any additional, list specific text to be sent along with the standard welcome message - this is a one time step. 4. Make sure that Send welcome message to newly subscribed members? is set to Yes - this is a one time step. 5. When using Membership Management... - Mass Subscription to add members, make sure that Send welcome messages to new subscribees? is set to Yes. This will be the default if step 4 was done. ... Mailman is not going to add the members password to any ordinary message. The only messages to the user that contain the password are the actual Mailman generated list welcome message, the password reminders sent from cron/maillpasswds (normally run monthly on the 1st by cron) and a user requested password reminder from the user options login page. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords
Our list welcome message was sent out to the members by the Secretary yesterday but he sent it as an ordinary mailman@ message and it didn't contain any password in it. We'll have to send another, additional, message, just to get the passwords generated, but I will have to give the Secretary a description of how to do this. Ie 1. Log into Mailman control panel 2. Scroll down the General Options to List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message 3. Enter any text to be sent in the message as well as the password 4. ? 5. ? I'd be grateful for help with the rest of this. You'll remember that all the members were subscribed by the Secretary - they didn't subscribe themselves - I can't see how to create and send a welcome message (or a reminder message) that includes passwords (ie that the Mailman program recognises as THE welcome message and so will include the passwords). Hope this makes sense. Rachel At 17:05 01/08/2008, Mark Sapiro wrote: Rachel Mawhood wrote: Obviously, we can't give 400-plus people the Admin or Moderator passwords so that they can view the Archives. Is there a way of having a third password, which we can give to the membership (and reset from time to time), to enable members to view the Archives? The admin and moderator passwords work (even without email address) for accessing the archives, but each list member (including admins and moderators if they are also members) has her/his own list password. In your subscription scenario, the password is randomly generated. It will be mailed to the member in the list welcome message, and unless disabled by the list or the user, the user will receive a monthly email reminder. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords
Rachel Mawhood wrote: Our list welcome message was sent out to the members by the Secretary yesterday but he sent it as an ordinary mailman@ message and it didn't contain any password in it. We'll have to send another, additional, message, just to get the passwords generated, but I will have to give the Secretary a description of how to do this. Ie Once a person is a list member, you can't send another welcome message without unsubscribing and resubscribing the member. You can send a password reminder to everyone on the list by first making sure that Send monthly password reminders? on the General Options page is set to Yes and then from a shell, running Mailman's cron/mailpasswds -l listname To ensure the welcome is sent when doing mass subscribes in the future 1. Log into Mailman control panel 2. Scroll down the General Options to List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message 3. Enter any text to be sent in the message as well as the password 3. Optionally enter any additional, list specific text to be sent along with the standard welcome message - this is a one time step. 4. Make sure that Send welcome message to newly subscribed members? is set to Yes - this is a one time step. 5. When using Membership Management... - Mass Subscription to add members, make sure that Send welcome messages to new subscribees? is set to Yes. This will be the default if step 4 was done. I'd be grateful for help with the rest of this. You'll remember that all the members were subscribed by the Secretary - they didn't subscribe themselves - I can't see how to create and send a welcome message (or a reminder message) that includes passwords (ie that the Mailman program recognises as THE welcome message and so will include the passwords). Mailman is not going to add the members password to any ordinary message. The only messages to the user that contain the password are the actual Mailman generated list welcome message, the password reminders sent from cron/maillpasswds (normally run monthly on the 1st by cron) and a user requested password reminder from the user options login page. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Passwords
We have set up Mailman as a closed, private list for an international society. Members are subscribed by the Secretary, via the Admin control panel. (Anyone who wants to join the list has to e-mail the Secretary, and only the society members are eligible to be joined to the list.) As far as I can see, that means that members won't ever be asked for a password/don't need a password to send messages to the list. But they still would need a password to be able to view the Archives which we have set to private. When I tested accessing the archives, I got in with my own e-mail address and the Admin password (my own e-mail address is on the subscriber list and is difference from the list-owner e-mail address). Obviously, we can't give 400-plus people the Admin or Moderator passwords so that they can view the Archives. Is there a way of having a third password, which we can give to the membership (and reset from time to time), to enable members to view the Archives? TVMIA Rachel -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords
Rachel Mawhood wrote: Obviously, we can't give 400-plus people the Admin or Moderator passwords so that they can view the Archives. Is there a way of having a third password, which we can give to the membership (and reset from time to time), to enable members to view the Archives? The admin and moderator passwords work (even without email address) for accessing the archives, but each list member (including admins and moderators if they are also members) has her/his own list password. In your subscription scenario, the password is randomly generated. It will be mailed to the member in the list welcome message, and unless disabled by the list or the user, the user will receive a monthly email reminder. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords
At 17:05 01/08/2008, Mark Sapiro wrote: In your subscription scenario, the password is randomly generated. It will be mailed to the member in the list welcome message, and unless disabled by the list or the user, the user will receive a monthly email reminder. Excellent - thank you! Regards Rachel -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] passwords
Does mailman have restrictions for passwords. Like a number or cap needs in the passwords. I am not finding anything on that. I know in my experience it just lets me put in anything for a password, wether it be for owner or user? Melinda Gilmore Systems Engineer The Ohio State University Enterprise Messaging/OIT 614-292-4953 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] passwords
Melinda Gilmore wrote: Does mailman have restrictions for passwords. Like a number or cap needs in the passwords. No. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Passwords in Monthly Reminders Encrypted?
I'm administering a group of lists and have monthly reminders set, and the reminder is being sent out on time and such, however, when I receive my copy of the password reminder, the passwords listed are incorrect, and it's almost like they're encrypted or something. For an example, assume the password is password, which works fine in the system. When the reminder arrives, it shows the password as dkhbkesd, or something like that. I've searched through the archives for a problem like this and haven't found anything yet. Is there some setting that I'm missing, or have set incorrectly that is causing this? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords in Monthly Reminders Encrypted?
Bob Holden wrote: For an example, assume the password is password, which works fine in the system. When the reminder arrives, it shows the password as dkhbkesd, or something like that. I suspect that what you are seeing in this example is your original, randomly generated, member password in the reminder which is dkhbkesd, and the password password is actually the list admin password, not your member password. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] passwords post
Hi, I'm new to this list, so I apologize if my question appeared soon before, but I didn't see it in the archives. Is there a way to configure Mailman to require a password for posting? thanks Jaskaran Singh University Systems Security Fairleigh Dickinson University 1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01 Teaneck, NJ 07666 attachment: winmail.dat-- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: Apology/Retry Re: [Mailman-Users] passwords, confirmation emails, clunky web interfaces, and my grandmother
David, David Hunt wrote: The company that hosts my website is running Mailman 2.1.2 (recently upgraded), and although they do fine for normal questions, I don't really think they're Mailman experts. As for myself, I already know the options available in Mailman's web interface and understand most of them (I think). I have read what documentation I could find - which only amounted to the expanded explanations of those options. My questions boil down to: 1. Can you run a list without having passwords assigned to the subscribers at all? From the responses I've received, I'm guessing that it really can't be done (there's a feature suggestion), but I think I can come up with some workarounds, like the one suggested by Howard in http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-July/030023.html. As far as I know, the answer is no. Try not to worry about it g. 2. How can I change the confirmation and welcome emails? I still want them, but I want them to be completely different, not just with text added using that option. I've found this post from Todd http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-June/029473.html - which may help, except I can't find these folders in Mailman's web interface, and I'm not sure how to access them otherwise. What you can do, since you don't have shell access to change the files directly, is ask the hosting company to put your own files in the directory just for your own list(s). The URL you note has the info you require, namely: # 1. the list-specific language directory #lists/listname/language Swear to the hosting company that this will not affect any other list. Remind them that ~mailman/lists/listname exists, but they have to create the subdirectory for the language, presumably for you en. As to exactly what files you want to change, it might be easier for you to try an install on your own Linux machine and look at all the text files in ~mailman/templates/en because you may want to end up changing a bunch of them. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Passwords Q
Greetings, I've not been able to find the info, but I know its out there ... How can I send members their password if they forget what it is? Or how can they get their passwrod if they for get it? Thanks take care, Nyx Wolfwalker -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords Q
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 16:19, Nyx Wolfwlaker wrote: Greetings, I've not been able to find the info, but I know its out there ... How can I send members their password if they forget what it is? Or how can they get their passwrod if they for get it? Thanks take care, Nyx Wolfwalker As long as you know the email address, you can use the listinfo page for your list to have it send the user a password reminder. Other than that, you can also do a dump of the database and read the password which is stored in plain text. Good Luck, Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords Q
On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 09:19 PM, Nyx Wolfwlaker wrote: Greetings, I've not been able to find the info, but I know its out there ... How can I send members their password if they forget what it is? Or how can they get their passwrod if they for get it? They can get the system to send it to them from the /mailman/listinfo/listname page. Thanks take care, Nyx Wolfwalker -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] passwords, confirmation emails,clunky web interfaces, and my grandmother
Dear All, I'm trying to run a simple mailing list so that people can sign up to receive news related to my career as a musician. I would like it to be simple enough that my grandmother could sign up for it if she wanted to. Right now, it is a mess - the very first person who signed up, who was quite computer literate, made the comment that was a lot of emails!! So here is what I want: = When the user is asked to confirm a subscription, the confirmation message is a five page essay in legalese. It should just say to confirm your subscription, please reply to this message or else _click here_. How do I change it? The admin person at my web host did not know of a way. = After the user is confirmed, there is ANOTHER essay, longer than the first, detailing the web pages and passwords and all sorts of rediculous options they will need to remember in order to get one email once every two months about my music. How do I change that message? = How do I make it so users don't need a password to subscribe/unsubscribe? Or, maybe I can force the computer to assign them all the same password, even when I sign them up? Again, my web admin didn't know of a way. Ideally, a person should be able to go to my website, type in their email address, hit subscribe, confirm by replying to one simple email, and then receive the messages I send them; and then if they want off, they just click a link in any one of those emails. No passwords, no options - just a mailing list, for goodness sake! I hope that's not too much to ask. Keep in mind when you reply that I'm a musician and not a unix guru. Regards, David Hunt http://dnotes.net/ _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] passwords, confirmation emails,clunky web interfaces, and my grandmother
You do not say what version of Mailman you are running. Were you to be running MM 2.1.2 you would find the following list configuration options, which if set as indicated would lead to a user being subscribed without having to respond to or indeed receive any emails except the subsequent normal list traffic. The list admin would have to OK the subscription; being a responsible list admin, you would not want no constraints or checks on who is being subscribed to your list would you? If I recollect, similar options are available on the MM 2.0.13 interface. If you take a look at the mailman-users list archives you may find recipes for password-less unsubscription. I will leave that for you to research. The web hosting admin person you refer to might like to spend some time checking the web admin GUI of Mailman for the options it offers. On General Options page under Notifications: set 'Send monthly password reminder' to No set 'Send welcome message to newly subscribed...' to No On Privacy Options page: set 'What steps are require for subscription' to 'Require approval' As regards the rude tone of your post, you would do well to remember that Mailman is Open Software, you are paying no charge for either the software license or support and that the people you are asking to respond via this list do so because they want to help; not because they are being paid to tolerate your sarcasm. On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 07:21 PM, David Hunt wrote: Dear All, I'm trying to run a simple mailing list so that people can sign up to receive news related to my career as a musician. I would like it to be simple enough that my grandmother could sign up for it if she wanted to. Right now, it is a mess - the very first person who signed up, who was quite computer literate, made the comment that was a lot of emails!! So here is what I want: = When the user is asked to confirm a subscription, the confirmation message is a five page essay in legalese. It should just say to confirm your subscription, please reply to this message or else _click here_. How do I change it? The admin person at my web host did not know of a way. = After the user is confirmed, there is ANOTHER essay, longer than the first, detailing the web pages and passwords and all sorts of rediculous options they will need to remember in order to get one email once every two months about my music. How do I change that message? = How do I make it so users don't need a password to subscribe/unsubscribe? Or, maybe I can force the computer to assign them all the same password, even when I sign them up? Again, my web admin didn't know of a way. Ideally, a person should be able to go to my website, type in their email address, hit subscribe, confirm by replying to one simple email, and then receive the messages I send them; and then if they want off, they just click a link in any one of those emails. No passwords, no options - just a mailing list, for goodness sake! I hope that's not too much to ask. Keep in mind when you reply that I'm a musician and not a unix guru. Regards, David Hunt http://dnotes.net/ _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords for bulk subscriptions.
--On Monday, July 14, 2003 19:41:37 -0500 Mike Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A question... I added a dozen folks to one of my lists using the admin bulk subscription. What password is assigned to these folks? random characters. Mike W - -- Registered Linux - 256979 NRA Life ARS: W0TMW -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/E03C5fq6h2uDDlQRArLzAKCwf1a+yz7o1BGJ4d4q0yNOizRlHACgyGBt pvAq7m0ve26jR+TOFcd+DAM= =sLR0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords
On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 23:18, Derek Simkowiak wrote: Replace the password reminder email with a simple confirmation email. If you want to keep user options hidden then replace the Password Reminder button with a Email me my options page URL button, which emails the user a URL with an embedded cookie. Its a password! OK, it can be made time limited (how long though) and stuff like that, but its still really a password :-) I like the idea, except it needs to be expanded so that web access is not required - you should be able to do this all by email too. Maybe - if the installation handles VERP-like addressing - the cookie can be made part of the sender address so a reply (from a sane MUA - we aren't going to bend over backwards for the criminally insane here) would be pre-authenticated - again with time limits and stuff (a day or so is OK, a month isn't). However if we do this sort of magic then we need to handle the worst that stupid MTAs come up with for bounces. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords
Derek Simkowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think mailing list passwords are The Worst Thing Ever. Here is what I'd like to see: Everyone who uses Mailman's web-based interface (at a particular virtual host) would get a choice of two authentication methods: * authentication via password (similar to what we have today with the difference that for each email address there would be only one password, not multiple passwords (like there are today for people who are subscribed to multiple lists). * authentication via cookies: Put a passcode into a never-expiring cookie and send a confirmation email to the user with an URL to visit. People who access Mailman from multiple PCs need to go through this authentication procedure multiple times. If someone has moderator or list-owner privileges, I'd like the chosen authentication method to also work for that. Greetings, Norbert. -- Founder Steering Committee member of http://gnu.org/projects/dotgnu/ Free Software Business Strategy Guide --- http://FreeStrategy.info Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland) Tel +41 1 972 20 59Fax +41 1 972 20 69 http://norbert.ch -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Passwords
Hello, I think mailing list passwords are The Worst Thing Ever. Is there an option to disable them completely within Mailman? I'd like all user options to be confirmed via a confirmation email. Googling only gave me old or incomplete information. If this is not possible, I am willing to add this feature to Mailman if someone can tell me where to look. Thank You, Derek Simkowiak dereks at realloc dot net -- Why I Hate Mailing List Passwords By Derek Simkowiak 1. Remembering passwords is a pain in the ass. 2. We sysadmins have spent years trying to train people to NOT put passwords in emails. 3. Whenever I change any Mailman option on any list, it's a matter of 1. Go to the webpage. 2. Click Password Reminder 3. Back to the MUA, wait for the password, cut'n'paste, back to the web browser 4. Ergo, more pain in the assedness. Desired behaviour: Replace the password reminder email with a simple confirmation email. If you want to keep user options hidden then replace the Password Reminder button with a Email me my options page URL button, which emails the user a URL with an embedded cookie. Benefits: 1. More secure (no password to get stolen, you must have access to the Inbox to change user options -- like it should be). 2. No more mailing list password to confuse endusers (Is that the same as my email password? Why won't my password work? Can you change my password? I never got my password..., What CAPS LOCK button?, I want [X] as my password, I'll just use my [HIGHLY SENSITIVE] password that I use at work., etc. You admins know what I'm talking about here.) 3. No more retarded cut'n'paste bullshit -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
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Hi All... I'm new to using Mailman on my websites, so I have a lot of questions. I set the option for sending monthly password reminders, thinking this sound like a good idea. Then the reminder arrived last night and lo and behold it had a different password. What's up with this? Seems funky and will be totally confusing for my users. So, I'm turning it off unless someone can explain to me why it works this way. Thanks. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
But, the python commands you want me to try DO work (and mailman still yields the same errors from my previous e-mail): # python -V Python 2.2.2 # python Python 2.2.2 (#1, Jan 9 2003, 16:24:27) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] on sunos5 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. import time time.__file__ '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/time.so' So, what should I try next? (BTW, thanks for your help! :) Steve Rifkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The second issue you had (no module name time) looks like your Python installation is broken. You should be able to do something like the following at the command line: % python Python 2.2.2 (#1, Oct 14 2002, 19:51:36) [GCC 2.96 2731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-112)] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. import time time.__file__ '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/time.so' -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
Steve, You're first problem looks like a classic permission denied problem. I'd suggest running bin/check_perms to see if that clears up your problems. The second issue you had (no module name time) looks like your Python installation is broken. You should be able to do something like the following at the command line: % python Python 2.2.2 (#1, Oct 14 2002, 19:51:36) [GCC 2.96 2731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-112)] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. import time time.__file__ '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/time.so' If not, go back to your Python source dir, and run make test. Check your compilation output carefully. Mailman 2.1 should work with Python 2.1.3 or later. -Barry -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
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Is there any way to set up a list so that there are no passwords required for unsubscribe. Even better if the only password would be for the admin(s). I need this so that someone who wants to unsubscribe can do so with a mailto link with unsubscribe filled in the subject field. Thanks Jeff Poretsky -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] passwords
Quoting Jeff Poretsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there any way to set up a list so that there are no passwords required for unsubscribe. Even better if the only password would be for the admin(s). I need this so that someone who wants to unsubscribe can do so with a mailto link with unsubscribe filled in the subject field. Check the FAQ 1.5 I've never used it, and not sure if it'll work with 2.1 or not. YMMV - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
SR == Steve Rifkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SR OK, I upgraded to MM2.1. After having to run check_perms with SR -f to fix permissions, I finally got the web pages up. SR When I go in as site admin and change the list admin's SR password for a list, I *still* cannot log in as the list SR admin. (I still receive the authentication error). SR And if I go back into the password change page for the list as SR the site admin, and if I put in a new list admin password and SR have a *different* verified password, I receive no errors when SR I click submit. SR However, if I run change_pw from the command line, changing SR the password for the list admin for the specific list, them, I SR CAN log in! :) SR So, it's the web interface that's screwing up. We're SR narrowing this one down now... I hope! Any suggestions? Do you have any cookie blockers or other proxies between your browser and the web server? That's about the only thing I can think of. -Barry -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
I recently installed mailman 2.1 (upgrading over our mailman 2.13) to correct a
problem with list admin passwords.
At the time of the upgrade, I was running python 2.1
Today I finally ran genaliases to modify the old mm list aliases for the new
mailman.
With the aliases in place, I sent e-mail to one of my lists... newlist.
Instead of the message going through, I get back the following from the
mailer-daemon:
- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
|/users/rtfm/mailman/mail/mailman post newtest
(reason: 1)
(expanded from: newtest@cs)
- Transcript of session follows -
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /users/rtfm/mailman/scripts/post, line 69, in ?
main()
File /users/rtfm/mailman/scripts/post, line 64, in main
tolist=1, _plaintext=1)
File /users/rtfm/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 119, in enqueue
msgfp = open(msgfile, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/users/rtfm/mailman/qfiles/in/1042138477.3629709+2b891898799d3290ae81d057bdd6e8
2a56ffe112.msg'
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1
=
What is causing the above?
OK, so I figure, since I was running python 2.1, maybe mailman 2.1 would rather
me run python 2.2.2.
I then installed python 2.2.2. Directly afterwards, I rebuilt (make clean,
configure, make, make install) mailman 2.1 again, and then, ran check_perms (and
corrected anything that needed correcting so that check_perms now comes back
clean.
Now, when I start to run the scripts/mailman script to startup mailmanctl, I
immediately get lots of messages that look like this:
# ./mailman start
cs:/users/rtfm/mailman/scripts:{153} Traceback (most recent call last):
File /users/rtfm/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 77, in ?
from Mailman.i18n import _
File /users/rtfm/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py, line 18, in ?
import time
ImportError: No module named time
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /users/rtfm/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 77, in ?
from Mailman.i18n import _
File /users/rtfm/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py, line 18, in ?
import time
ImportError: No module named time
Traceback (most recent call last):
I get the above messages continuously. What's happening here?
Mind you, when I had python 2.1 installed, I had no problem running mailmanctl
(except that mail sent to lists would yield the message near the top of this
e-mail. With python2.2.2 installed, I can't even get mailmanctl to run
properly... or rather, whatever it's running is giving me the errors directly
above.
And remember, *after* I installed python 2.2.2, I *rebuilt* mailman.
So, what should I do here?
If python's an issue, I'll go back to python 2.1 and hope someone here can help
me fix the problem with the mailer-daemon message. At least python 2.1, I could
run the mailman startup script.
(Note, the machine mailman is built on is Solaris 2.8.
Thanks in advance!
Steve Rifkin
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
A better solution would be to upgrade to MM2.1. It uses sha1 hashing, which will always be available. OK, I upgraded to MM2.1. After having to run check_perms with -f to fix permissions, I finally got the web pages up. When I go in as site admin and change the list admin's password for a list, I *still* cannot log in as the list admin. (I still receive the authentication error). And if I go back into the password change page for the list as the site admin, and if I put in a new list admin password and have a *different* verified password, I receive no errors when I click submit. However, if I run change_pw from the command line, changing the password for the list admin for the specific list, them, I CAN log in! :) So, it's the web interface that's screwing up. We're narrowing this one down now... I hope! Any suggestions? Steve Rifkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
What are you using for Password authentication on your system? Are you using PAMs? What does your /etc/nsswitch.conf file look like (are you using NIS)? NIS is used, but the mailman user account info is local to the web server. Mailman's home directory, though, is shared between the web server and the mail server. Some nsswitch.conf entries: passwd: compat group: files nis hosts: dns nis [NOTFOUND=return] files netgroup: nis automount: files nis aliases:files nis But again, I never had the list-admin authentication problem until I upgraded the Apache server. Whether the mailman list config databases before the apache upgrade had the nobody user set, I do not know. What could have changed from doing the apache upgrade? The user that CGI scripts get run by? Our cgi-scripts are working ok. Steve Rifkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
Just did another reinstall of 2.0.13. Again, installed with no problems. Check_perm ran fine... again And, the list ownerships for the config.db file for my test list is: -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3169 Jan 03 11:57 config.db (owned and group-owned by mailman) Then, I log into the list as the site admin, and change the lists's admin's password. When I do, the config.db file now has these attributes: -rw-rw 1 nobody mailman 3169 Jan 03 14:35 config.db Yes, nobody has replaced mailman as owner again And the list admin gets an authentication error trying to log in to its list. If, as site admin, I once again change the list admin's pwd (this time to a longer password, so that hopefully, config.db would change size) and log out, the config.db file remains the same size with the updated timestamp. -rw-rw 1 nobody mailman 3169 Jan 03 14:36 config.db Still owned by nobody! (yet, still group-owned by mailman) And still not allowing list admin's to log in... onl log in... only site admin and users can log in. (and this happens to all of our lists). Running check_perms again (now that nobody is the owner and mailman is the group owner of the config.db files), I still receive No problems found Since the only signs of error are 1) the Authentication failed error for the list admins, and 2) config.db doesn't looks as if it is updated [comparing the size of the of current and previous config.db files]... ...is there any way to do a trace of what is happening? Can python be used for this? It's almost as if the list admin password being changed by the site admin never really updates the config.db file. Oh, I even tried the setup using the mailman group consisting of mailman and nobody. Steve Rifkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
The ownership issue is a red-herring. As long as it's group owned by
mailman and it's g+rw you should be fine.
I'm guessing somewhere along the way Python got upgraded and the
status of the crypt libraries changed (either they were there before
and not now, or vice versa). Try setting USE_CRYPT=0 in your
mm_cfg.py file.
A better solution would be to upgrade to MM2.1. It uses sha1 hashing,
which will always be available.
BTW, a debugging tool I use quite often (or the Python literate here),
is to sprinkle the code with lines like:
syslog('debug', 'some value: %s', somevalue)
which puts the output in errors/debug. You may need to add
from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog
at the top of the file, if it isn't already there.
-Barry
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
My suggestion to you is that you re-install Python, then re-install
Mailman. Both are fairly easy to do. The order is important - you
definitely want to re-install Mailman after installing Python.
OK, reinstalled python. Python works. (v2.1)
Then, reinstalled mailman (v2.0.13). Mailman still does *not* allow for admin
logins... only site and user logins. No errors logged!
All built from scratch... i.e. with ./configure make make install
on Solaris 2.6.
Good Luck (and if you happen to hang that way: Merry Christmas!)
Have a great holiday. Thanks! :)
Oh, and if you have any other ideas on what to do (anybody reading), please let
me know. This is very frustrating.
I'd love to downgrade back to 2.08 without losing my 2.0.13 archive data.
Anyone know how? 2.08 had worked fine before the 2.13 upgrade. But, 2.08
won't let me install it, because a higher version is already on.
Steve
Jon Carnes
==
On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 15:29, Steve Rifkin wrote:
Hi Jon!
Well, I did what you said... I used dumpdb to look at the encrypted password
for
a list. Then I changed the list admin pw for th list (logged in as the site
admin), and did a dumpdb again. I get the same encrypted password for the
list
admin (and therefore, still cannot log in as the admin).
What else can I try?
Thanks!
Steve
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
From: Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Steve Rifkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Mailman users Mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Date: 14 Dec 2002 20:36:07 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
X-Keywords:
In this version of Mailman the admin password for the list is encrypted,
well sort of... If you want to be clever and look at the source you can
easily figure this part out.
In any case, I've seen this problem before after an upgrade and it seems
to be that the encryption has changed. Normally resetting the password
via the web-admin works. I don't know why it's not working in your case
- unless you upgraded python and didn't re-install Mailman.
You might want to use dumpdb to look at the encrypted password, then try
to change it via the web admin and use dumpdb to see if it actually
changed.
Good Luck - Jon Carnes
On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 14:24, Steve Rifkin wrote:
Now that we can see the plain-text passwords of members using dumpdb on
the
config.db file, how can we see the specific list admin password for a
given
list? I could see plaintext passwords for the users, but for what
looked
like
the admin, I saw something very different than what the password is set
to.
A (bogus) example of this: Here are what looks like the admin lines
from
the
config.db dump:
'owner': ['[EMAIL PROTECTED]'],
'password': '=\x2b\x4abH\xgg3\x3n\x5e\x4e\xh_\xb6\xb2\x8n\xqp',
'passwords': {[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'sdjlkl',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'nasdat',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'kljlkd',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'jsdafk',
},
So, the user passwords are pretty clear, but the owner's password is not
listed
in plain text as to what the password is.
How do we get that password? If I had that info, I could check to see
why
we
are able to log into our mm site with the site-wide password or the user
(subscriber) passwords, but *not* the list admin's password. (for mm
2.0.13)
Thanks!
Steve
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From: Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gary Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Mailman users Mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The archives have a script for this (for versions 2.0.x), and you can
easily modify the script found here to do it (you will have to be
system
admin):
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.007.htp
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 12:25, Gary Smith wrote:
Hi.
How do I find out the passwords of subscribers with out clicking on
the
'send me my password button'?
Thanks,
Gary Smith
Steve Rifkin - JHU CS Dept Sr. Unix Systems Administrator
Technical Director
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
The other interesting thing I found is that once I log into a list as the SITE ADMIN, if I go to change the list admin's password, I can put anything into: Enter new password: Then, I can put something different into: Confirm new password: I can then proceed to click Submit Your Changes, and I receive NO error that the password I put in and the confirmation of that password are different. It acts like it's trying to submit, but then, just returns me back to the top of the list admin page for the list. I also notice that if I put some bogus password into the Enter Current Password fied at the bottom, and hit submit, I get: Error: Incorrect administrator password displayed at the top of the page. That tells me that the list thinks it has some list admin password set... but, there's no way to figure out what it is? Steve teve [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
Going an extra step, I compiled python 2.2.2 and put it in place. I then rebuilt mailman (based on the new python). Again, mailman works EXCEPT FOR list admin passwords. I'm running out of options. I'm now at python 2.2.2 and mailman 2.0.13, and my list admins cannot log in, but the site admin and users can. When the site admin changes the list admin password for a list, should there be a confirmation of the change AFTER submit is clicked? WHOA! Here is something weird... all my mailman files are owned by user mailman and group mailman. At the list level, for a test list (mmtest), the dir looks like: -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:48 config.db -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:47 config.db.last -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 869 Dec 26 16:57 request.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 189 Jan 30 2002 handle_opts.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1026 Jan 30 2002 headfoot.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3136 Jan 30 2002 listinfo.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4106 Jan 30 2002 options.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1169 Jan 30 2002 roster.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 198 Jan 30 2002 subscribe.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1706 Jan 30 2002 admindbpreamble.html That's ok. HOWEVER, whenever I log into a list or try to make changes to a list as the site admin, the ownership changes for config.db: -rw-rw 1 nobody mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:50 config.db -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:48 config.db.last -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 869 Dec 26 16:57 request.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 189 Jan 30 2002 handle_opts.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1026 Jan 30 2002 headfoot.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3136 Jan 30 2002 listinfo.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4106 Jan 30 2002 options.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1169 Jan 30 2002 roster.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 198 Jan 30 2002 subscribe.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1706 Jan 30 2002 admindbpreamble.html And the filesize for config.db does not change. I suspect that the config.db file is not changing at all when I attempt changes logged in as the site admin. The only change to the file is config.db's ownership keeps changing to nobody! Why? Maybe the above is a clue to the problem! Any thoughts? Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
Oh, I should also add that, as user mailman, when I run: bin/check_perms I get: No problems found Steve -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
Catching up on a few of your messages... I'm betting that your Web-server runs as user nobody, so changes via the web to the list config may end-up as being owned by nobody. Shouldn't you have the sticky bit set for the group on all those directories and files (if the check came back okay then it must be correct - sorry). What are you using for Password authentication on your system? Are you using PAMs? What does your /etc/nsswitch.conf file look like (are you using NIS)? What happens when you run the site password program? On Fri, 2002-12-27 at 11:57, Steve Rifkin wrote: Going an extra step, I compiled python 2.2.2 and put it in place. I then rebuilt mailman (based on the new python). Again, mailman works EXCEPT FOR list admin passwords. I'm running out of options. I'm now at python 2.2.2 and mailman 2.0.13, and my list admins cannot log in, but the site admin and users can. When the site admin changes the list admin password for a list, should there be a confirmation of the change AFTER submit is clicked? WHOA! Here is something weird... all my mailman files are owned by user mailman and group mailman. At the list level, for a test list (mmtest), the dir looks like: -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:48 config.db -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:47 config.db.last -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 869 Dec 26 16:57 request.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 189 Jan 30 2002 handle_opts.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1026 Jan 30 2002 headfoot.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3136 Jan 30 2002 listinfo.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4106 Jan 30 2002 options.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1169 Jan 30 2002 roster.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 198 Jan 30 2002 subscribe.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1706 Jan 30 2002 admindbpreamble.html That's ok. HOWEVER, whenever I log into a list or try to make changes to a list as the site admin, the ownership changes for config.db: -rw-rw 1 nobody mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:50 config.db -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:48 config.db.last -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 869 Dec 26 16:57 request.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 189 Jan 30 2002 handle_opts.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1026 Jan 30 2002 headfoot.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3136 Jan 30 2002 listinfo.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4106 Jan 30 2002 options.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1169 Jan 30 2002 roster.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 198 Jan 30 2002 subscribe.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1706 Jan 30 2002 admindbpreamble.html And the filesize for config.db does not change. I suspect that the config.db file is not changing at all when I attempt changes logged in as the site admin. The only change to the file is config.db's ownership keeps changing to nobody! Why? Maybe the above is a clue to the problem! Any thoughts? Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
Well, now you *know* that the password is not being changed! So
something fundamental is broken within your install. It's not handling
encryption properly and any calls to cause encryption are failing.
Assuming that this is not a system-wide problem (that would be caused by
a library in your distribution), then I'm guessing that the problem lays
with a library or module of Python.
My suggestion to you is that you re-install Python, then re-install
Mailman. Both are fairly easy to do. The order is important - you
definitely want to re-install Mailman after installing Python.
If you install Python from an RPM or package management system, then
load the development packages of Python as well - to make sure you get
all the modules/libraries that Mailman uses.
Good Luck (and if you happen to hang that way: Merry Christmas!)
Jon Carnes
==
On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 15:29, Steve Rifkin wrote:
Hi Jon!
Well, I did what you said... I used dumpdb to look at the encrypted password for
a list. Then I changed the list admin pw for th list (logged in as the site
admin), and did a dumpdb again. I get the same encrypted password for the list
admin (and therefore, still cannot log in as the admin).
What else can I try?
Thanks!
Steve
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
From: Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Steve Rifkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Mailman users Mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Date: 14 Dec 2002 20:36:07 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
X-Keywords:
In this version of Mailman the admin password for the list is encrypted,
well sort of... If you want to be clever and look at the source you can
easily figure this part out.
In any case, I've seen this problem before after an upgrade and it seems
to be that the encryption has changed. Normally resetting the password
via the web-admin works. I don't know why it's not working in your case
- unless you upgraded python and didn't re-install Mailman.
You might want to use dumpdb to look at the encrypted password, then try
to change it via the web admin and use dumpdb to see if it actually
changed.
Good Luck - Jon Carnes
On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 14:24, Steve Rifkin wrote:
Now that we can see the plain-text passwords of members using dumpdb on the
config.db file, how can we see the specific list admin password for a given
list? I could see plaintext passwords for the users, but for what looked
like
the admin, I saw something very different than what the password is set to.
A (bogus) example of this: Here are what looks like the admin lines from
the
config.db dump:
'owner': ['[EMAIL PROTECTED]'],
'password': '=\x2b\x4abH\xgg3\x3n\x5e\x4e\xh_\xb6\xb2\x8n\xqp',
'passwords': {[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'sdjlkl',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'nasdat',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'kljlkd',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'jsdafk',
},
So, the user passwords are pretty clear, but the owner's password is not
listed
in plain text as to what the password is.
How do we get that password? If I had that info, I could check to see why
we
are able to log into our mm site with the site-wide password or the user
(subscriber) passwords, but *not* the list admin's password. (for mm
2.0.13)
Thanks!
Steve
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: 13 Dec 2002 16:58:52 -0500
From: Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gary Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Mailman users Mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The archives have a script for this (for versions 2.0.x), and you can
easily modify the script found here to do it (you will have to be system
admin):
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.007.htp
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 12:25, Gary Smith wrote:
Hi.
How do I find out the passwords of subscribers with out clicking on the
'send me my password button'?
Thanks,
Gary Smith
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
Hi Jon!
Well, I did what you said... I used dumpdb to look at the encrypted password for
a list. Then I changed the list admin pw for th list (logged in as the site
admin), and did a dumpdb again. I get the same encrypted password for the list
admin (and therefore, still cannot log in as the admin).
What else can I try?
Thanks!
Steve
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
From: Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Steve Rifkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Mailman users Mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Date: 14 Dec 2002 20:36:07 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
X-Keywords:
In this version of Mailman the admin password for the list is encrypted,
well sort of... If you want to be clever and look at the source you can
easily figure this part out.
In any case, I've seen this problem before after an upgrade and it seems
to be that the encryption has changed. Normally resetting the password
via the web-admin works. I don't know why it's not working in your case
- unless you upgraded python and didn't re-install Mailman.
You might want to use dumpdb to look at the encrypted password, then try
to change it via the web admin and use dumpdb to see if it actually
changed.
Good Luck - Jon Carnes
On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 14:24, Steve Rifkin wrote:
Now that we can see the plain-text passwords of members using dumpdb on the
config.db file, how can we see the specific list admin password for a given
list? I could see plaintext passwords for the users, but for what looked
like
the admin, I saw something very different than what the password is set to.
A (bogus) example of this: Here are what looks like the admin lines from
the
config.db dump:
'owner': ['[EMAIL PROTECTED]'],
'password': '=\x2b\x4abH\xgg3\x3n\x5e\x4e\xh_\xb6\xb2\x8n\xqp',
'passwords': {[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'sdjlkl',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'nasdat',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'kljlkd',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'jsdafk',
},
So, the user passwords are pretty clear, but the owner's password is not
listed
in plain text as to what the password is.
How do we get that password? If I had that info, I could check to see why
we
are able to log into our mm site with the site-wide password or the user
(subscriber) passwords, but *not* the list admin's password. (for mm
2.0.13)
Thanks!
Steve
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: 13 Dec 2002 16:58:52 -0500
From: Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gary Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Mailman users Mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The archives have a script for this (for versions 2.0.x), and you can
easily modify the script found here to do it (you will have to be system
admin):
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.007.htp
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 12:25, Gary Smith wrote:
Hi.
How do I find out the passwords of subscribers with out clicking on the
'send me my password button'?
Thanks,
Gary Smith
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
Now that we can see the plain-text passwords of members using dumpdb on the
config.db file, how can we see the specific list admin password for a given
list? I could see plaintext passwords for the users, but for what looked like
the admin, I saw something very different than what the password is set to.
A (bogus) example of this: Here are what looks like the admin lines from the
config.db dump:
'owner': ['[EMAIL PROTECTED]'],
'password': '=\x2b\x4abH\xgg3\x3n\x5e\x4e\xh_\xb6\xb2\x8n\xqp',
'passwords': {[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'sdjlkl',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'nasdat',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'kljlkd',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'jsdafk',
},
So, the user passwords are pretty clear, but the owner's password is not listed
in plain text as to what the password is.
How do we get that password? If I had that info, I could check to see why we
are able to log into our mm site with the site-wide password or the user
(subscriber) passwords, but *not* the list admin's password. (for mm 2.0.13)
Thanks!
Steve
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Date: 13 Dec 2002 16:58:52 -0500
From: Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gary Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Mailman users Mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The archives have a script for this (for versions 2.0.x), and you can
easily modify the script found here to do it (you will have to be system
admin):
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.007.htp
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 12:25, Gary Smith wrote:
Hi.
How do I find out the passwords of subscribers with out clicking on the
'send me my password button'?
Thanks,
Gary Smith
--
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
In this version of Mailman the admin password for the list is encrypted,
well sort of... If you want to be clever and look at the source you can
easily figure this part out.
In any case, I've seen this problem before after an upgrade and it seems
to be that the encryption has changed. Normally resetting the password
via the web-admin works. I don't know why it's not working in your case
- unless you upgraded python and didn't re-install Mailman.
You might want to use dumpdb to look at the encrypted password, then try
to change it via the web admin and use dumpdb to see if it actually
changed.
Good Luck - Jon Carnes
On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 14:24, Steve Rifkin wrote:
Now that we can see the plain-text passwords of members using dumpdb on the
config.db file, how can we see the specific list admin password for a given
list? I could see plaintext passwords for the users, but for what looked like
the admin, I saw something very different than what the password is set to.
A (bogus) example of this: Here are what looks like the admin lines from the
config.db dump:
'owner': ['[EMAIL PROTECTED]'],
'password': '=\x2b\x4abH\xgg3\x3n\x5e\x4e\xh_\xb6\xb2\x8n\xqp',
'passwords': {[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'sdjlkl',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'nasdat',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'kljlkd',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'jsdafk',
},
So, the user passwords are pretty clear, but the owner's password is not listed
in plain text as to what the password is.
How do we get that password? If I had that info, I could check to see why we
are able to log into our mm site with the site-wide password or the user
(subscriber) passwords, but *not* the list admin's password. (for mm 2.0.13)
Thanks!
Steve
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Date: 13 Dec 2002 16:58:52 -0500
From: Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gary Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Mailman users Mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The archives have a script for this (for versions 2.0.x), and you can
easily modify the script found here to do it (you will have to be system
admin):
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.007.htp
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 12:25, Gary Smith wrote:
Hi.
How do I find out the passwords of subscribers with out clicking on the
'send me my password button'?
Thanks,
Gary Smith
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[Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
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[Mailman-Users] Passwords
I am new to this list, and somewhat new to mailman. I fellow employee at my company who did our MailMan administration has left, and not filtered down enough information for me. I need to know how to change the ``site'' password from what it is now, to something diffrent. Thanks -Rory Savage -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords
Thanks, I was able to get this working. On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Ignacio Labrador Pavon wrote: You can change your site password using: /bin/mmsitepass your-site-password [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to this list, and somewhat new to mailman. I fellow employee at my company who did our MailMan administration has left, and not filtered down enough information for me. I need to know how to change the ``site'' password from what it is now, to something diffrent. Thanks -Rory Savage -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of SchlumbergerSema. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. -- -- Rory Savage, Senior Systems Administrator Nando Media: www.nandomedia.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 919-836-5987 (Office) -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
