Re: [Mailman-Users] Protecting Administrators

2006-02-23 Thread John W. Baxter
On 2/22/06 9:23 PM, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you look at the Received: headers in your incoming mail, the one at
 the top (last one added) will give the name of the server that your
 mail was finally delivered to. Just use that host name in your email
 address to completely bypass Postini.

Maybe.  But not if the ISP has configured that MTA to reject port 25
connections from any sending machines except Postini's .

So the method needs to be tested from an outside address (Gmail accounts are
handy for this sort of thing, in addition to being handy generally).

  --John


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[Mailman-Users] Protecting Administrators

2006-02-22 Thread David Andrews
I run about 80 lists via Mailman.  My ISP uses a spam filtering program called 
PostIni.  All mail goes through it, even though individual users may turn it 
off -- which I have.

Apparently, things can happen that cause PostIni to block mail to a user, it 
seems to happen at times of heavy spam, but the ISP doesn't seem to know much 
more, and they say the Postini folks won't talk about it, they consider it to 
be proprietary info.

Anyway, this is a long way to say that even though I am Administrator, I 
occasionally get disabled on one or more lists.  With so many lists I 
occasionally miss the message that Mailman sends.  Then I am off the list, and 
don't know it.

Is there any way to protect a list subscription, despite bounces?  

David Andrews

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Protecting Administrators

2006-02-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
David Andrews wrote:

Apparently, things can happen that cause PostIni to block mail to a user, it 
seems to happen at times of heavy spam, but the ISP doesn't seem to know much 
more, and they say the Postini folks won't talk about it, they consider it to 
be proprietary info.

Anyway, this is a long way to say that even though I am Administrator, I 
occasionally get disabled on one or more lists.  With so many lists I 
occasionally miss the message that Mailman sends.  Then I am off the list, and 
don't know it.

Is there any way to protect a list subscription, despite bounces?  

Not short of turning off bounce processing.

But, if you're sure Postini is the problem, you can bypass it for your
list mail. For example, the MX records for value.net go to various
psmtp.com (Postini) servers, but Postini has to deliver somewhere
which in my case is mail.value.net, so any mail addressed to me at
mail.value.net bypasses Postini completely.

If you look at the Received: headers in your incoming mail, the one at
the top (last one added) will give the name of the server that your
mail was finally delivered to. Just use that host name in your email
address to completely bypass Postini.

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Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

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